| shrewlockhouse | Hello | 07:47 |
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| erle- | Mate keeps resetting the Firefox default page. | 09:15 |
| erle- | What the ...? | 09:15 |
| gordonjcp | erle-: packaging bug | 09:15 |
| erle- | How is that even possible that it is altering existing profiles? | 09:16 |
| gordonjcp | erle-: it loads a set of defaults when it starts up | 09:16 |
| gordonjcp | sudo apt remove ubuntu-mate-default-settings | 09:16 |
| erle- | better fix that damn package | 09:28 |
| erle- | otherwise other things will be missing | 09:28 |
| gordonjcp | erle-: did it try and remove other packages when you took that out? | 09:35 |
| erle- | I did not remove anything, I do not want defaults to disappear just because one single default is wrong | 09:43 |
| erle- | Also this has been this way for a long time, it is not a new sudden bug | 09:43 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 09:43 |
| erle- | it seems intentional | 09:43 |
| gordonjcp | and it doesn't seem to be a particularly high priority either | 09:43 |
| gordonjcp | https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/cannot-change-firefox-startpage-in-um-16-10/9463/5 | 09:43 |
| erle- | this is a killer that will disgust people who might be interested in trying Mate | 09:44 |
| gordonjcp | ^ that shows you two files that you can delete to stop it doing it | 09:44 |
| gordonjcp | <shrug> | 09:44 |
| gordonjcp | does anyone actually change their default starting page these days? | 09:44 |
| erle- | the problem is not the default page | 09:44 |
| erle- | nobody cares | 09:44 |
| erle- | the problem is that it changes your /profile/ at all | 09:44 |
| erle- | Firefox profile | 09:45 |
| erle- | which is completely independent from your installed system | 09:45 |
| erle- | people keep that for years | 09:45 |
| erle- | and sync it with other machines | 09:45 |
| gordonjcp | then remove the MATE firefox package and install it from Mozilla's site | 09:45 |
| gordonjcp | it's a local modification in the way it's packaged | 09:46 |
| gordonjcp | I think it's wrong, and I think it's a bug that needs addressed, but it's really not a big deal | 09:46 |
| erle- | why is there a Mate Firefox package? it is the generic Ubuntu Firefox package | 09:46 |
| erle- | why is Mate interfering with that in the first place? | 09:46 |
| gordonjcp | you'd have to ask the package maintainers that | 09:46 |
| gordonjcp | presumably so the home page starts up with MATE branding rather than generic Ubuntu branding | 09:46 |
| erle- | I did not ask you personally, this is the Ubuntu Mate channel, isn't it? | 09:47 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, but at 10am on a Sunday morning we appear to be the only people awake here :-D | 09:47 |
| erle- | "ubuntu-mate-default-settings" does not even sound like that it has anything to do with Firefox | 09:48 |
| erle- | gordonjcp, I am not expecting instant response | 09:48 |
| gordonjcp | if you do "dpkg -L ubuntu-mate-default-settings" you'll see what's in it | 09:48 |
| gordonjcp | I'm not on MATE at the moment and I can't be bothered getting my laptop from the car | 09:48 |
| gordonjcp | to be honest I only noticed the problem a week or so ago when I went to set the default home page on my mum's PC | 09:51 |
| jrj | Morning guys | 10:00 |
| engin | hitach | 10:15 |
| jrj | Can i do a surevey by yoiu guys ? | 10:36 |
| jrj | Placement of filesm Are you guys: 1. Working on files locally on $HOME and then take backup on a schedule to e.g. Your NAS/Cloud/Whatnot. 2. Work with your files directly off you NAS storage 3: Both ? | 10:38 |
| gordonjcp | usually I work with stuff on the local filesystem | 10:39 |
| jrj | gordonjcp: and then backup on a schedule ? | 10:39 |
| gordonjcp | depends what it is | 10:40 |
| jrj | Let say your private files | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | if it's source code for stuff, it's usually in a repository somewhere anyway, either on github or one of my servers | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | if it's audio stuff I copy it across to a server locally | 10:41 |
| gordonjcp | or video for that matter | 10:41 |
| jrj | So you have that on a "manually remebering to copy it to your server" sertup ? | 10:41 |
| jrj | Im not pointing fingers - im fighting myself to find a good system | 10:42 |
| jrj | There is an obvious perfomance gain in having files locally. But then it would have to automatically backup on some scheme - however my machines is not ON 24/7 | 10:44 |
| gordonjcp | I don't really care much about files locally | 10:47 |
| gordonjcp | I don't back stuff up | 10:47 |
| gordonjcp | not stuff like source code or config files | 10:50 |
| gordonjcp | all of that is available from some repository or another | 10:50 |
| jrj | Sourcecode i guess that you "backup" via GitHub | 10:56 |
| gordonjcp | well, not github, but a git repository | 10:56 |
| jrj | but how about your $HOME/.config files | 10:56 |
| gordonjcp | source code repositories aren't a backup, for much the same reason that RAID isn't | 10:57 |
| gordonjcp | I don't back any config files up | 10:57 |
| gordonjcp | what would there be to back up | 10:57 |
| jrj | I know its not backup - but i would imagine the person running you Git does back it up proper | 10:57 |
| jrj | Or at least proper in the sense that me having an NAS (that is then backed up) | 10:58 |
| gordonjcp | the git repo is replicated across a couple of sites as zfs snapshots, which I guess counts as a backup | 11:00 |
| jrj | it would | 11:02 |
| jrj | my NAS is running ZFS for the same reason | 11:02 |
| jrj | But i have files im working on - non-code | 11:02 |
| jrj | Ex my list if IP's for all my servers ect | 11:03 |
| jrj | and a WishList and stuff like that | 11:03 |
| jrj | but obviously those are relative small files/project - so i could just work on the directly from the NAS | 11:04 |
| jrj | VM images was obviously a problem for some time, simply due to their sice. I had them on my local machine for obvious reasons, but backup was VERY much a seldom act. | 11:04 |
| gordonjcp | why would you even back them up? | 11:05 |
| jrj | But now i have moved my VM's to "the cloud" as either VM's or containers - so that is no longer an issue | 11:05 |
| jrj | because of the time i spend setting them up | 11:05 |
| jrj | i used them on a regular basis - one of them was 3 yo | 11:06 |
| gordonjcp | so, just recreate them when you need them | 11:06 |
| jrj | That would take alot of time | 11:06 |
| gordonjcp | not at all | 11:06 |
| gordonjcp | one command and it's done | 11:06 |
| Channel48 | So why so quiet inhere? | 11:37 |
| Channel48 | ok i,m out this is ghost town | 11:37 |
| gordonjcp | because it's Sunday lunchtime, dimwit | 11:40 |
| EazyG84 | hello world | 11:48 |
| EazyG84 | i just set up so no talking because working | 11:49 |
| EazyG84 | not so eazy i think but im heare | 11:54 |
| EazyG84 | ok im end now so to the nex time nice day everyone | 11:55 |
| M_aD | -_- | 12:02 |
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| ubuntu-mate | hello | 14:14 |
| laoqijun | Can your form china? | 14:44 |
| SnivyDroid | theres a chat | 15:30 |
| SnivyDroid | hm | 15:30 |
| jrj | gordonjcp: Year - the VM in itself will only be 1 command, but all the setup/config i have done within them will take all the time. | 16:15 |
| jrj | But as said - that have now been moved to the_Clouds | 16:16 |
| gordonjcp | jrj: I don't understand | 16:31 |
| gordonjcp | jrj: are you setting all that stuff up by hand, or something? | 16:31 |
| gordonjcp | why aren't you using some configuration management tools? | 16:32 |
| jrj | gordonjcp: well - that would be a balance thing | 16:36 |
| jrj | If i had a setup where i needed to rebuild stuff over and over again - i would set that up (i do that as my day-job) | 16:36 |
| gordonjcp | if you ever need to set it up once, script it | 16:37 |
| gordonjcp | because you're *going to* need to do it again | 16:37 |
| jrj | However - since i had backup of my image (that didnt change that much) - hence no need to rebuild it ever | 16:37 |
| jrj | gordonjcp: may i direct you to my statement, that the most central VM have been alive for 3-4 years | 16:38 |
| gordonjcp | until it gets 0wned | 16:38 |
| jrj | It be running within my home network - not exposed any service to internet | 16:38 |
| jrj | But it did get updates ! | 16:38 |
| jrj | I just didnt change the configuration or application installed much | 16:39 |
| gordonjcp | fair enough | 16:40 |
| jrj | gordonjcp: but that is all a mute point now. As i no longer have any local VM's of any importance | 16:42 |
| jrj | I do create one from time to time - for testing stuff/distros - but if i loose that - no one cares | 16:43 |
| jrj | Im going through a totalt Cleanse/setup cycle | 16:45 |
| jrj | Essentially killing alot+++ of old data. Alot of old stuff/projects ect that have been accumulating through the years as i have been thoug several jobs, and hence alot of different tech/interest. Stuff and gear have kept stacking up - to a point of being an unholy mess of stuff, with things spread around different machines, internal/external disks/nas/CloudStorage. So whenever i wanter to do something it was a search for data and finding the right gear for a n | 16:48 |
| jrj | So i went through alot of cleansin - aka throwing out ALOT of gear. Less choises make it easier to get startet, and not get bogged down on unrekevant "crap" | 16:49 |
| jrj | So aside for my work-laptop. I have only 1xNAS & 1 main computer now. | 16:50 |
| jrj | This have been very much a freeing experience | 16:50 |
| jrj | ...so now going through the steps of making new choices for setting myself up "from scratch" instead of just repeating what i have done for manymany years | 16:51 |
| mate|33200 | Im sick and tired of win 10 | 17:17 |
| mate|33200 | unstopable update | 17:17 |
| mate|3557 | too bad theres no unitz | 17:22 |
| mate|16618 | How can I burn an image to flash drive? | 18:12 |
| mate|16618 | how can I burn image to flash drive? | 18:19 |
| Astro7467 | @mate|16618: gnome disks or install etcher from Software Boutique (easier to use than gDisks) | 18:32 |
| dale | Hello | 19:40 |
| dale | Is it possible to install the newest compiz with emerald theme manager | 19:41 |
| dale | in Ubuntu Mate 17.10 | 19:43 |
| padgaland | What would be the best tweak GUI for mate? | 20:36 |
| padgaland | or place to get the best tweaks | 20:36 |
| felipentb | olá | 22:11 |
| mate|29764 | matrixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | 22:25 |
| mate|29764 | let me join through riot | 22:25 |
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