[07:47] <shrewlockhouse> Hello
[09:15] <erle-> Mate keeps resetting the Firefox default page.
[09:15] <erle-> What the ...?
[09:15] <gordonjcp> erle-: packaging bug
[09:16] <erle-> How is that even possible that it is altering existing profiles?
[09:16] <gordonjcp> erle-: it loads a set of defaults when it starts up
[09:16] <gordonjcp> sudo apt remove ubuntu-mate-default-settings
[09:28] <erle-> better fix that damn package
[09:28] <erle-> otherwise other things will be missing
[09:35] <gordonjcp> erle-: did it try and remove other packages when you took that out?
[09:43] <erle-> I did not remove anything, I do not want defaults to disappear just because one single default is wrong
[09:43] <erle-> Also this has been this way for a long time, it is not a new sudden bug
[09:43] <gordonjcp> yeah
[09:43] <erle-> it seems intentional
[09:43] <gordonjcp> and it doesn't seem to be a particularly high priority either
[09:43] <gordonjcp> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/cannot-change-firefox-startpage-in-um-16-10/9463/5
[09:44] <erle-> this is a killer that will disgust people who might be interested in trying Mate
[09:44] <gordonjcp> ^ that shows you two files that you can delete to stop it doing it
[09:44] <gordonjcp> <shrug>
[09:44] <gordonjcp> does anyone actually change their default starting page these days?
[09:44] <erle-> the problem is not the default page
[09:44] <erle-> nobody cares
[09:44] <erle-> the problem is that it changes your /profile/ at all
[09:45] <erle-> Firefox profile
[09:45] <erle-> which is completely independent from your installed system
[09:45] <erle-> people keep that for years
[09:45] <erle-> and sync it with other machines
[09:45] <gordonjcp> then remove the MATE firefox package and install it from Mozilla's site
[09:46] <gordonjcp> it's a local modification in the way it's packaged
[09:46] <gordonjcp> I think it's wrong, and I think it's a bug that needs addressed, but it's really not a big deal
[09:46] <erle-> why is there a Mate Firefox package? it is the generic Ubuntu Firefox package
[09:46] <erle-> why is Mate interfering with that in the first place?
[09:46] <gordonjcp> you'd have to ask the package maintainers that
[09:46] <gordonjcp> presumably so the home page starts up with MATE branding rather than generic Ubuntu branding
[09:47] <erle-> I did not ask you personally, this is the Ubuntu Mate channel, isn't it?
[09:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, but at 10am on a Sunday morning we appear to be the only people awake here :-D
[09:48] <erle-> "ubuntu-mate-default-settings" does not even sound like that it has anything to do with Firefox
[09:48] <erle-> gordonjcp, I am not expecting instant response
[09:48] <gordonjcp> if you do "dpkg -L ubuntu-mate-default-settings" you'll see what's in it
[09:48] <gordonjcp> I'm not on MATE at the moment and I can't be bothered getting my laptop from the car
[09:51] <gordonjcp> to be honest I only noticed the problem a week or so ago when I went to set the default home page on my mum's PC
[10:00] <jrj> Morning guys
[10:15] <engin> hitach
[10:36] <jrj> Can i do a surevey by yoiu guys ?
[10:38] <jrj> Placement of filesm Are you guys:  1. Working on files locally on $HOME and then take backup on a schedule to e.g. Your NAS/Cloud/Whatnot. 2. Work with your files directly off you NAS storage 3: Both ?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> usually I work with stuff on the local filesystem
[10:39] <jrj> gordonjcp: and then backup on a schedule ?
[10:40] <gordonjcp> depends what it is
[10:40] <jrj> Let say your private files
[10:40] <gordonjcp> if it's source code for stuff, it's usually in a repository somewhere anyway, either on github or one of my servers
[10:41] <gordonjcp> if it's audio stuff I copy it across to a server locally
[10:41] <gordonjcp> or video for that matter
[10:41] <jrj> So you have that on a "manually remebering to copy it to your server" sertup ?
[10:42] <jrj> Im not pointing fingers - im fighting myself to find a good system
[10:44] <jrj> There is an obvious perfomance gain in having files locally. But then it would have to automatically backup on some scheme - however my machines is not ON 24/7
[10:47] <gordonjcp> I don't really care much about files locally
[10:47] <gordonjcp> I don't back stuff up
[10:50] <gordonjcp> not stuff like source code or config files
[10:50] <gordonjcp> all of that is available from some repository or another
[10:56] <jrj> Sourcecode i guess that you "backup" via GitHub
[10:56] <gordonjcp> well, not github, but a git repository
[10:56] <jrj> but how about your $HOME/.config files
[10:57] <gordonjcp> source code repositories aren't a backup, for much the same reason that RAID isn't
[10:57] <gordonjcp> I don't back any config files up
[10:57] <gordonjcp> what would there be to back up
[10:57] <jrj> I know its not backup - but i would imagine the person running you Git does back it up proper
[10:58] <jrj> Or at least proper in the sense that me having an NAS (that is then backed up)
[11:00] <gordonjcp> the git repo is replicated across a couple of sites as zfs snapshots, which I guess counts as a backup
[11:02] <jrj> it would
[11:02] <jrj> my NAS is running ZFS for the same reason
[11:02] <jrj> But i have files im working on - non-code
[11:03] <jrj> Ex my list if IP's for all my servers ect
[11:03] <jrj> and a WishList and stuff like that
[11:04] <jrj> but obviously those are relative small files/project - so i could just work on the directly from the NAS
[11:04] <jrj> VM images was obviously a problem for some time, simply due to their sice. I had them on my local machine for obvious reasons, but backup was VERY much a seldom act.
[11:05] <gordonjcp> why would you even back them up?
[11:05] <jrj> But now i have moved my VM's to "the cloud" as either VM's or containers - so that is no longer an issue
[11:05] <jrj> because of the time i spend setting them up
[11:06] <jrj> i used them on a regular basis - one of them was 3 yo
[11:06] <gordonjcp> so, just recreate them when you need them
[11:06] <jrj> That would take alot of time
[11:06] <gordonjcp> not at all
[11:06] <gordonjcp> one command and it's done
[11:37] <Channel48> So why so quiet inhere?
[11:37] <Channel48> ok i,m out this is ghost town
[11:40] <gordonjcp> because it's Sunday lunchtime, dimwit
[11:48] <EazyG84> hello world
[11:49] <EazyG84> i just set up so no talking because working
[11:54] <EazyG84> not so eazy i think but im heare
[11:55] <EazyG84> ok im end now so to the nex time nice day everyone
[12:02] <M_aD> -_-
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[14:14] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[14:44] <laoqijun> Can your form china?
[15:30] <SnivyDroid> theres a chat
[15:30] <SnivyDroid> hm
[16:15] <jrj> gordonjcp: Year - the VM in itself will only be 1 command, but all the setup/config i have done within them will take all the time.
[16:16] <jrj> But as said - that have now been moved to the_Clouds
[16:31] <gordonjcp> jrj: I don't understand
[16:31] <gordonjcp> jrj: are you setting all that stuff up by hand, or something?
[16:32] <gordonjcp> why aren't you using some configuration management tools?
[16:36] <jrj> gordonjcp: well - that would be a balance thing
[16:36] <jrj> If i had a setup where i needed to rebuild stuff over and over again - i would set that up (i do that as my day-job)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> if you ever need to set it up once, script it
[16:37] <gordonjcp> because you're *going to* need to do it again
[16:37] <jrj> However - since i had backup of my image (that didnt change that much) - hence no need to rebuild it ever
[16:38] <jrj> gordonjcp: may i direct you to my statement, that the most central VM have been alive for 3-4 years
[16:38] <gordonjcp> until it gets 0wned
[16:38] <jrj> It be running within my home network - not exposed any service to internet
[16:38] <jrj> But it did get updates !
[16:39] <jrj> I just didnt change the configuration or application installed much
[16:40] <gordonjcp> fair enough
[16:42] <jrj> gordonjcp: but that is all a mute point now. As i no longer have any local VM's of any importance
[16:43] <jrj> I do create one from time to time - for testing stuff/distros - but if i loose that - no one cares
[16:45] <jrj> Im going through a totalt Cleanse/setup cycle
[16:48] <jrj> Essentially killing alot+++ of old data. Alot of old stuff/projects ect that have been accumulating through the years as i have been thoug several jobs, and hence alot of different tech/interest. Stuff and gear have kept stacking up - to a point of being an unholy mess of stuff, with things spread around different machines, internal/external disks/nas/CloudStorage. So whenever i wanter to do something it was a search for data and finding the right gear for a n
[16:49] <jrj> So i went through alot of cleansin - aka throwing out ALOT of gear. Less choises make it easier to get startet, and not get bogged down on unrekevant "crap"
[16:50] <jrj> So aside for my work-laptop. I have only 1xNAS & 1 main computer now.
[16:50] <jrj> This have been very much a freeing experience
[16:51] <jrj> ...so now going through the steps of making new choices for setting myself up "from scratch" instead of just repeating what i have done for manymany years
[17:17] <mate|33200> Im sick and tired of win 10
[17:17] <mate|33200> unstopable update
[17:22] <mate|3557> too bad theres no unitz
[18:12] <mate|16618> How can I burn an image to flash drive?
[18:19] <mate|16618> how can I burn image to flash drive?
[18:32] <Astro7467> @mate|16618: gnome disks or install etcher from Software Boutique (easier to use than gDisks)
[19:40] <dale> Hello
[19:41] <dale> Is it possible to install the newest compiz with emerald theme manager
[19:43] <dale> in Ubuntu Mate 17.10
[20:36] <padgaland> What would be the best tweak GUI for mate?
[20:36] <padgaland> or place to get the best tweaks
[22:11] <felipentb> olá
[22:25] <mate|29764> matrixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[22:25] <mate|29764> let me join through riot