[03:32] <uofm49426> what is different between xubunt 17.10 17.04 and 16.04 having problem with nm-applet or nework manager and a 3rd party app easytether 8.8 working find in last 2 releases 17.10 not working with it 
[03:34] <uofm49426> normally i just need to open in mousepad and source-direcory 
[03:35] <uofm49426> source-directory interfaces.d
[03:36] <uofm49426> to the interfaces file
[09:26] <flocculant> I'd agree with knome's points re naming - if we can make it obvious we should
[09:26] <flocculant> Unit193: ta
[09:40] <ochosi> yup, same here
[09:40] <ochosi> (wrt ppa naming)
[09:40] <ochosi> if you look at the pad, i tried to add names + explanations to the three stages that we have there now
[09:40] <ochosi> please feel free to adapt/improve
[09:41] <flocculant> they make sense to me
[09:49] <ochosi> good good
[10:06] <bluesabre> morning
[10:10] <flocculant> morning bluesabre 
[10:12] <bluesabre> Kinda figured the "Xubuntu QA (Stable/Experimental)" labels made it clear but will go ahead with what's been suggesting
[10:13] <bluesabre> Keeping the experimental moniker though, "test" will grab all the testers when we don't want it to
[10:13] <flocculant> ok
[10:15] <bluesabre> hmmm
[10:16] <bluesabre> Staging seems like trouble though... separating it from the sru ppa
[10:16] <bluesabre> It's purpose is to bring the next release (bionic) to artful, instead of current release (artful-proposed) to artful
[10:17] <ochosi> you can also call them "stage 1" and "stage 2"
[10:17] <bluesabre> that's 1000% more confusing
[10:17] <ochosi> hah
[10:17] <ochosi> well depends
[10:18] <ochosi> what if we keep it staging and for bionic just change its purpose?
[10:18] <bluesabre> I'll just rename the existing stable to sru and make it super clear what it's purpose is
[10:18] <ochosi> although tbh its purpose isn't that different
[10:18] <ochosi> ok
[10:18] <bluesabre> s/stable/staging
[10:27] <knome> yes, staging -> sru or sru-staging
[10:27] <knome> and stable -> staging
[10:36] <bluesabre> knome, cert issues on wiki.x ?
[10:36] <bluesabre> or all *.xubuntu
[10:42] <knome> bluesabre, poke pleia2 ?
[10:45] <bluesabre> pleia2: xubuntu subdomains are feeling insecure and it has chrome troubled :)
[10:50] <pleia2> argh, sorry :( let's see what I can do before airplane
[10:54] <pleia2> should be ok now
[10:55] <flocculant> pleia2: firefox is no longer grumpy :)
[10:55] <flocculant> ty
[10:56] <pleia2> sure, I need to automate that :\
[11:13] <bluesabre> thanks pleia2!
[11:16] <bluesabre> PPAs are updated, now we just need to update the docs (and probably get listed PPAs out of the docs)
[11:17] <bluesabre> I think it'd be better to put them on the wiki somewhere and update the docs to point to that page
[11:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: they're pretty rampant in the qa contributor stuff :p
[11:17] <flocculant> I'll look later on
[11:18] <flocculant> and yea - that makes sense
[11:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: got links for the ppa's ?
[11:19] <flocculant> off out now, bbl
[11:20] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev lists them
[11:35] <bluesabre> flocculant, knome: documenting here: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/ppa
[11:50] <ochosi> nice work
[11:51] <ochosi> icons would probably be nice
[11:51] <ochosi> and would help identifying the PPAs on launchpad too
[11:51] <ochosi> not sure if it'll be easy to find proper icons but still
[14:40] <knome> we can roll our own
[14:41] <knome> and thanks bluesabre 
[14:41] <bluesabre> :)
[14:41] <bluesabre> flocculant (and others), bionic panel layout: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzsg_l2Vsn_dUW5PSVliUTNMcGs/view?usp=sharing
[14:43] <bluesabre> For best experience: 1) remove indicator-application, xfce4-volumed, indicator-sound, 2) install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin, 3) import the above file with xfpanel-switch, 4) restart your session
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[17:28] <flocculant> done that except import that panel layout :)
[17:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^ also thanks for wiki page
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[22:51] <ochosi> xfce release frenzy?