[08:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:58] <foobarry> anyone else getting hassled to replace their meter with a smart one?
[10:07] <fjaiohgae> Morning, just upgraded to 17.10, and I found a bug, but not sure what component to report it to, it's about the icons indicating unread messages from chat apps, like slack and etc , they do not refresh only just when I mouse over it
[10:19] <SuperMatt> That'd be the ubuntu dock
[10:21] <SuperMatt> gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock
[10:25] <diplo> Morning all
[10:25] <diplo> foobarry: Yup... can't be bothered though..
[10:25] <diplo> Any of you guys using Draytek routers in your work place ?
[10:28] <fjaiohgae> SuperMatt: Thx
[12:12] <m0nkey_> Draytek? Wow, not used one of them for at least 10 years. Hard to find over here in Canada. :)
[12:36] <diplo> All ours customers have them, so about 100+ of them in the network as such
[12:37] <diplo> Looking at monitoring/updating/configuring via there software, having some issues with it though.
[12:37] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I get the off missive about that, have simply ignored it for now. I don't see any advantage to them and they become dumb meters agains when one switches supplier. Also, how can I trust the readings?
[12:38] <diplo> That was my question to the guy who came around TwistedLucidity
[12:39] <TwistedLucidity> Also, security.
[12:40] <TwistedLucidity> Imagine they'd been affected by Krack, Heatbleed, A.N.Other - how long (to the nearest year) would it take for updates to be rolled out?
[12:42] <zmoylan-samj3> as soon as you buy the new kit :-)
[15:05] <foobarry> i've been called 3 times by british gas about it
[15:05] <foobarry> inthe last 2 days
[15:31] <m0nkey_> foobarry: Got a smart meter here a couple years back. Electricity bill went down after it's install.
[15:34] <diddledan> everyone must get one within two years iirc
[15:35] <diddledan> the government is mandating it I think I read
[15:36] <diddledan> oh I'm wrong. gov.uk says there's no mandate
[15:36] <diddledan> "Smart meters will be rolled out as standard across the country by the end of 2020. But there is no legal obligation on individuals to have one."
[15:36] <diddledan> that's from gov.uk
[15:38] <SuperMatt> I suppose I could do with one for the electricity
[15:38] <SuperMatt> I already have a smart meter for the shared heating system (no gas)
[15:43] <foobarry> didn't they already have to change the first batch?
[15:43] <foobarry> and why would bills go down?
[15:44] <SuperMatt> More awareness
[15:44] <diplo> I expect the reason it would go down is the readins are accurate
[15:44] <SuperMatt> That too, no guessing
[15:44] <diplo> My gas/electric people can't get in to read mine without me there
[15:44] <diplo> And I never remember to update :)
[15:45] <SuperMatt> I worry if I update, I'll be stung for a huge amount of unpaid bills
[15:45] <diplo> hahah me too
[15:45] <diplo> Also, they can remotely cut you off I believe, but as said earlier, it's not if, just when... suppose I'll do it at some point
[15:45] <diplo> Wish I could poll the data though
[17:03] <ali1234> when i try to call people using skype for linux beta, it crashes *their* skype client. lol
[17:29] <diddledan> omg. grand negas Zek is on last week's Mr Robot
[17:30] <diddledan> I only know by the voice
[17:32] <Seeker`> wallace shawn
[17:44] <m0nkey_> I can't imagine many of you use O365 Personal (I do because reasons :)) .. https://blogs.office.com/en-us/2017/10/30/premium-outlook-com-features-now-available-to-office-365-subscribers/
[18:18] <zmoy-pixi> and just reading they seem to be backing away from office 365 premium service...
[18:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/TheRichWoods/status/925071855987421185
[18:59] <zmoy-pixi> microsoft getting it right. if that's not yhe proof we're living in mirror universe dystopia nothing is!!! :-P
[23:32] <diddledan> I'm just going to leave this here: https://t.co/xYhs6nzNzT
[23:33] <daftykins> o0
[23:33] <daftykins> diddledan: do you like cats? do you like TVs?
[23:33] <diddledan> yes. yes.
[23:34] <daftykins> https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/IqohQoaEkAA4wKC
[23:34] <daftykins> now see them, combined!
[23:35] <diddledan> \o/
[23:36] <daftykins> that's the lovely new 55" LG OLED B7 for London, gave it a quick test out - the kittens however had other ideas
[23:38] <diddledan> if you have netflix and a few hours free, watch the webseries "Dramaworld" it's fun
[23:38] <diddledan> each episode is around 15-20 minutes
[23:39] <daftykins> i can't even get myself to stop putting twitch streams on in the background and watch Stranger Things s2
[23:39] <diddledan> I haven't started watching that one yet