| duflu | jbicha, I saw a comment/rumor that gnome-shell only saves some settings on a clean shutdown (when it hasn't crashed). Do you know anything about that? | 01:44 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Because I *think* I might have just fixed a logout crash that was our top crasher | 01:44 |
| jbicha | I don't know anything about that | 01:49 |
| jbicha | GNOME's doing 3.26.2 releases this week so your fix might make it in 🙂 | 01:50 |
| duflu | jbicha, yes that fix is in 3.26.2. Slightly sad the font rendering fix is only in 3.27. Bionic will get that though right? | 01:54 |
| jbicha | if you're asking whether 18.04 will get GNOME Shell 3.28, that's still undecided | 01:56 |
| duflu | Oh dear. OK, I'll need to work on either distro patching or pushing for it in 3.26 | 01:57 |
| duflu | I was thinking 3.27 with hybrid support should theoretically solve many people's display issues too | 01:58 |
| jbicha | you mean fractional scaling, or something different? | 01:59 |
| jbicha | multi-monitor? | 01:59 |
| duflu | jbicha, I mean various bug reports where users with multiple GPUs have no picture on screen, or on the wrong screen. I thought the hybrid work would start to solve those | 02:18 |
| duflu | Even with a single GPU... if I install a radeon card and intel is disabled when Wayland doesn't work. It feels like that stuff could be related to the 3.27 enhancements | 02:19 |
| duflu | *then* Wayland doesn't work | 02:20 |
| duflu | 3.26 doesn't feel like a great choice for LTS to me. But that's based purely on the assumption that 3.28 will be ready early enough and will be significantly better | 02:23 |
| duflu | otherwise I'm just talking about bugs whose fixes can always be backported | 02:23 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:05 |
| willcooke | hoy | 08:43 |
| duflu | ahoy willcooke | 08:45 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 08:45 |
| willcooke | taking a surprise day off since I don't have a window in my study | 08:52 |
| willcooke | I'll be on telegram etc etc | 08:53 |
| willcooke | have a good day all | 08:53 |
| willcooke | seb128 will run the meeting | 08:53 |
| duflu | OK then. Bye willcooke | 08:53 |
| Laney | PHEW | 09:02 |
| Laney | what's up | 09:02 |
| duflu | <insert pun> | 09:03 |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney & desktopers | 09:09 |
| seb128 | hey duflu | 09:09 |
| duflu | Hello seb128 | 09:09 |
| seb128 | duflu, trying to see if you can DoS the meeting with your weekly summaries? ;) | 09:10 |
| duflu | seb128, verbosity is an inherited problem | 09:10 |
| duflu | Plus it seems if I ever miss something out, someone will ask about it | 09:11 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:11 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 09:21 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 09:21 |
| Laney | & duflu! | 09:21 |
| seb128 | Laney, good! you? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | I slept well this night, 11pm to almost 6pm without being waken up in between :) | 09:23 |
| Laney | 6pm!!!! | 09:23 |
| Laney | :P | 09:23 |
| Laney | well done | 09:23 |
| seb128 | haha, thanks | 09:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, seems like you have IRC closed earlier, just as a fyi willcooke decided to take the day off since he has workers redoing his office and it was not possible to use it today | 09:26 |
| Laney | alright | 09:26 |
| * Laney is inside 9999 emails | 09:26 | |
| seb128 | one more and it might overflow and go to 0 | 09:26 |
| seb128 | who knows! | 09:26 |
| * Laney overflowed | 09:30 | |
| === linuxturtle is now known as jbrett | ||
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, i think i know the cause of the theme issue | 13:15 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, glib in the backports PPA doesn't have the per desktop overrides support | 13:15 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, fixing that now | 13:16 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, seems like this morning guess was right there :) | 14:17 |
| andyrock | seb128: can you schedule me at the end of the meeting | 14:26 |
| seb128 | andyrock, sure | 14:26 |
| andyrock | I'm preparing the notes | 14:26 |
| seb128 | :-) | 14:29 |
| seb128 | ok, it's meeting time | 14:30 |
| seb128 | let's see if anyone gets surprised due to DST :p | 14:30 |
| seb128 | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly meeting - 2017-10-31 | 14:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Oct 31 14:30:49 2017 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 14:30 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 14:30 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/lsBmkzPY/ubuntu-desktop-1804-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team Weekly meeting - 2017-10-31 | Current topic: | ||
| seb128 | Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (out), duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out) | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | o/ | 14:31 |
| jbicha | o/ | 14:31 |
| oSoMoN | 🐵/ | 14:31 |
| seb128 | lol | 14:31 |
| seb128 | ok, let's get started | 14:31 |
| seb128 | #topic dgadomski | 14:31 |
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| seb128 | dgadomski, hey | 14:31 |
| dgadomski | hey | 14:32 |
| Laney | meow | 14:32 |
| dgadomski | * attended OpenSourceSummit Europe | 14:32 |
| dgadomski | * found a workaround for bug #1718688, waiting for confirmation from the user who reported that to me | 14:32 |
| dgadomski | * added some changes and unittest to my fix for bug #1699179 | 14:32 |
| dgadomski | * monitoring bug #1638695 in case any decision made there will be applicable to Xenial. | 14:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1718688 in linux (Ubuntu) "Can't connect to a Cisco AP with Wi-Fi Direct Client Policy enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718688 | 14:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1699179 in landscape-client (Ubuntu Bionic) "PackageReporter kicks in during do-release-upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699179 | 14:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1638695 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Python 2.7.12 performance regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638695 | 14:32 |
| dgadomski | eof | 14:32 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, thanks | 14:32 |
| seb128 | #topic duflu | 14:33 |
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| seb128 | (be ready, long summary coming) | 14:33 |
| seb128 | * Mutter/Xwayland crash handling: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789086 | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Completed several patch iterations during the week. | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Landed upstream: https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/commit/?id=054c25f693a | 14:33 |
| seb128 | * Mutter: blurry shell fonts: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645433 | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Completed several patch iterations during the week. | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Landed upstream: https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/commit/?id=a37956c9 | 14:33 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 789086 in wayland "Xwayland leaves no core dump when crashing" [Major,Resolved: fixed] | 14:33 |
| seb128 | * Totem's big stutter bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733780 | 14:33 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 645433 in wayland "gnome-shell's panel ignores font settings" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Finally, almost got a code review of my one line fix. Although that was only a Rejection without any reason given. The maintainer does however request much more complicated API changes (affecting multiple projects) instead. | 14:33 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 733780 in Movie player "Saving playlist state sometimes hangs totem" [Normal,New] | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - I think I've lost patience with totem for now and will just distro patch the one-line fix soon. Let upstream change the API to their own liking in their own time. | 14:33 |
| seb128 | * Totem's smaller (bug more frequent) stutter bug in GTK also has fixes pending review (links below). | 14:33 |
| seb128 | * Unresponsive touchpads: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98839 | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Yes, already. I thought this was a task for next year but upstream suddenly woke up this week and has been asking me to test patches. Looks like a fix is close to landing! | 14:33 |
| ubot5 | Freedesktop bug 98839 in libinput "Somehow conditionalize hysteresis (hardware black/whitelist, device property introspection, user-exposed setting, etc)" [Normal,New] | 14:33 |
| seb128 | - Testing patches, testing hardware | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - Reading kernel code and finding more things worth fixing (next year-ish). | 14:34 |
| seb128 | * Incorrect %CPU in gnome-system-monitor: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788922 | 14:34 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 788922 in process list "Processes % CPU column is inaccurate (only ever an integer multiple of the number of CPUs)" [Normal,Assigned] | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - Just got frustrated and fixed it myself as a quick Friday evening job. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - Patch proposed upstream. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - Mountains and mountains of bug traffic this week, but we mostly kept up. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | * Patches awaiting Ubuntu sponsorship (or needing refreshing for 18.04): | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846 | 14:34 |
| seb128 | * Patches awaiting upstream review: | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787001 | 14:34 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 787001 in GtkClutterEmbed "clutter-gtk apps like totem and gnome-maps are spending 50% of their CPU time redrawing GTK widgets" [Normal,New] | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773453 | 14:34 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 773453 in general "cluttersink: support GLTextureUpload for EGL/Wayland" [Normal,New] | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787665 | 14:34 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 787665 in .General "gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time is irregular and causing stuttering" [Normal,New] | 14:34 |
| seb128 | ^^^ These have either been ignored for months, or received spurious reviews which I answered and then get ignored. But I would rather they stayed quiet till after my vacation. | 14:34 |
| seb128 | * PulseAudio 11: | 14:34 |
| seb128 | - Been working on a TODO list for this for a long time. I hope to start on it ahead of schedule (ie. this week instead of December/January as planned). | 14:34 |
| seb128 | 14:34 | |
| seb128 | (giving us a minute to read/digest that ;) | 14:34 |
| seb128 | ok, next | 14:35 |
| seb128 | #topic jbicha | 14:35 |
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| seb128 | jbicha, hey | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • Synced cairo and merged fontconfig (LP: #1702544) for color emoji support. | 14:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1702544 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "Merge fontconfig 2.12.3-0.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702544 | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • Packaged nototools and fonts-noto-color-emoji, uploading to Debian NEW soon | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • LocutusOfBorg merged remmina 1.2~ (uses freerdp2) & I built vinagre with freerdp2 support too. | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • Uploaded gtk 3.22.25 to artful/unapproved LP: #1728421 | 14:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1728421 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Artful) "Update gtk+3.0 to 3.22.25" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728421 | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • Uploaded fix to bionic for LP: #1722809, robert_ancell will SRU | 14:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1722809 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Artful) "GNOME Shell Extensions subcategory is empty in GNOME Software" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722809 | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • libgit2 transition | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • Helped remove mozjs24. IMO mozjs (1.8.5, from Firefox 4) is removable, leaving just mozjs38 and 52 (LP: #1714821) | 14:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1714821 in gnome-user-share (Ubuntu Bionic) "Sync gnome-user-share 3.18.3-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714821 | 14:35 |
| jbicha | • mozjs52 / gjs and its rdeps are back on s390x. I assume we don't want to start building ubuntu-desktop there again? | 14:36 |
| jbicha | • Help Needed for troubleshooting third-party scanner driver issues, see LP: #1707352 | 14:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1707352 in sane-backends (Debian) "the change from libsane to libsane1 broke many (all?) 3rd party plug-ins for sane" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707352 | 14:36 |
| jbicha | eof | 14:36 |
| seb128 | jbicha, the gnome-user-share bug referenced there was a copy error? | 14:37 |
| seb128 | or is mozjs having to do with it? | 14:37 |
| jbicha | oops, should have been LP: #1728038 | 14:38 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1728038 in oolite (Ubuntu) "Remove ancient mozjs from bionic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728038 | 14:38 |
| seb128 | jbicha, did you try to talk to Robert about the sane-backends issue? it's sort of his domain | 14:38 |
| seb128 | that bug reference makes more sense :p | 14:38 |
| jbicha | yes, but he didn't have answers yet | 14:38 |
| seb128 | k | 14:38 |
| seb128 | thanks jbicha | 14:38 |
| seb128 | #topic jamesh | 14:38 |
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| seb128 | jamesh, hey, unsure if you are around? | 14:38 |
| seb128 | willcooke didn't fwd me your update | 14:39 |
| seb128 | k, seems he's not there | 14:39 |
| seb128 | next | 14:39 |
| seb128 | #topic kenvandine | 14:39 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | * oSoMon found an issue with gtk theme settings not being picked up in a fresh user session. This only affects 17.10, works as expected on 16.04, zesty, etc. I suspect this has to do with per desktop overrides. I'm refreshing our backport of glib now to get that change to confirm it fixes it. | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | * Did some digging into yelp support for our snaps. I think we might be able to solve the issue of finding help files with the use of the OpenURI support in th | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | e freedesktop portal and a patch to snapd to support help uris. | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | * Did some work on the desktop helpers, creating symlinks to the xdg dirs so they properly appear in the file picker. Need to do a little more work before subm | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | itting a PR. | 14:40 |
| kenvandine | * Backporting some artful fixes to the gnome-3-26 PPA to get them in the platform snap | 14:40 |
| kenvandine | eof | 14:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the glib/per desktop override is basically what we suspected when we discussed that with Olivier this morning, let's see how the refresh is working | 14:41 |
| seb128 | thanks kenvandine | 14:41 |
| oSoMoN | thanks kenvandine ! | 14:41 |
| kenvandine | ah, you guys talked about it :) | 14:41 |
| seb128 | yeah, I read the backlog and I mentioned that the dconf file existing on start was probably not the issue | 14:42 |
| seb128 | if the file exists it's probably something buggy that does a write on loggin | 14:42 |
| seb128 | which shouldn't be done, desrt chassed those buggy cases in the past | 14:42 |
| seb128 | anyway let's see | 14:42 |
| seb128 | next | 14:42 |
| seb128 | #topic Laney | 14:43 |
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| seb128 | Laney, hey | 14:43 |
| Laney | hi | 14:43 |
| Laney | • v. short week 💀 | 14:43 |
| Laney | • finally figured out a way to filter shell extensions in gnome-software so you see the usable ones, going to submit a MR later 👻 | 14:43 |
| Laney | • bos02 cloud region stability work got finished, worked today on enabling arm64/s390x cloud autopkgtesting - should be good to go in proposed-migration once some more hardware is enabled in openstack 🧛 | 14:43 |
| Laney | • helped a bit with bionic archive opening (NewReleaseCycleProcess checklist stuff) 🕷️ | 14:43 |
| Laney | 🎃 | 14:43 |
| oSoMoN | happy halloween Laney :) | 14:43 |
| jbicha | which ones are usable? | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:44 |
| seb128 | thanks Laney | 14:44 |
| seb128 | #topic oSoMoN | 14:45 |
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| seb128 | oSoMoN, hey | 14:45 |
| Laney | ones that are compatible with your shell version | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | hey there | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • chromium 62.0.3202.62 published to -security and -updates for all supported series, and 62.0.3202.75 ready for publication | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • managed to build chromium 63 (beta) on trusty, using gcc-mozilla (gcc 4.9) and statically linking its libstdc++ | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • first chromium 64 (dev) build ongoing in PPA | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • updated chromium snap after a call for testing, useful feedback and a few fixes: 62.0.3202.75 in stable channel, 63.0.3239.18 in beta channel | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • prepared libreoffice 5.4.2 SRU for artful (bug #1728072), now in unapproved queue | 14:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1728072 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[SRU] libreoffice 5.4.2 for artful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728072 | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • preparing libreoffice 5.4.2 upload for bionic with a couple of fixes (debhelper and icu) | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | • libreoffice snap 5.4.2: enabled spellchecking (bug #1680928), hyphenation and thesaurus, and issued call for testing, got good feedback so far, planning on promoting to stable in a couple of days if no blocking issue arises | 14:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1680928 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] Spellcheck not working" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680928 | 14:45 |
| oSoMoN | EOF | 14:45 |
| seb128 | thanks oSoMoN | 14:45 |
| seb128 | #topic seb128 | 14:46 |
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| seb128 | • spent most of the week triaging&debugging&sending upstream launchpad incoming bugs | 14:46 |
| seb128 | • sponsoring (libreoffice artful SRU, u-c-c bugfix + xenial SRU) | 14:46 |
| seb128 | • some trello board reviews and administrative work | 14:46 |
| seb128 | </week> | 14:46 |
| seb128 | #topic tkamppeter | 14:47 |
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| seb128 | tkamppeter, hey | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - OpenPrinting: Studied GitHub Pages as possibility to host the site and manage the content, including news blog in GIT repos. | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - Google Summer of Code 2017: Planned the distribution of the funds received from Google. | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - hplip: Uploaded missing proprietary plugins to OpenPrinting. HP failed to send them to me earlier. | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - cups, cups-filters, hplip, ...: First syncs into Bionic. | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - CPDB (Common Print Dialog Backends): Posted on Debian Printing mailing list to ask them to start packaging. | 14:47 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 14:47 |
| seb128 | thanks tkamppeter | 14:48 |
| seb128 | #topic robert_ancell | 14:48 |
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| seb128 | - gnome-software/snapd-glib bug fixing | 14:48 |
| seb128 | - Uploaded updated gnome-software/snapd-glib packages to ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software | 14:48 |
| seb128 | - Prepared artful gnome-software/snapd-glib SRU (in QA testing now). | 14:48 |
| seb128 | - snapd-glib 1.24 released | 14:48 |
| seb128 | #topic andyrock | 14:49 |
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| seb128 | andyrock, your turn :) | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 1. Livepatch desktop integration: | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 1.1 working on software-properties to integrate with the new macaron-based API to retrieve lp token | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 1.2 talking with the right guys to get pymacaroonbakery in Debian and artful | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 2. OEM bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1716359) | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 2.1 mp for GCC master (already committed) | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 2.2 mp for ucc trunk | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 2.3 sru for ucc xenial | 14:49 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1716359 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Unplugging headset with audio panel open mutes internal mic" [Low,In progress] | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 3. Updated the branch to fix osd progress bars in artful | 14:49 |
| andyrock | 4. Sru for the gtk crash when adding new online accounts | 14:49 |
| andyrock | eow | 14:49 |
| seb128 | thanks andyrock | 14:50 |
| seb128 | #topic aob | 14:50 |
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| seb128 | k, jbicha has some of those at least | 14:50 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I guess you can start :) | 14:50 |
| jbicha | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-October/005272.html | 14:50 |
| jbicha | #1 fontconfig: should we keep the templates in /etc indefinitely or ok to follow upstream? | 14:51 |
| seb128 | it's probably ok to follow upstream/debian if you are confident it's not going to create issues for users upgrading | 14:52 |
| seb128 | I think I'm the one who rolled back on those changes at the time | 14:53 |
| jbicha | I am not confident, it will break users who symlinked one of the extra available configs | 14:53 |
| seb128 | but that's because I didn't want to have to deal with the migration and we were updating ahead of Debian | 14:53 |
| jbicha | yes, I think that was like 2012 (!) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | do we have any issue with the current situation? | 14:53 |
| jbicha | no | 14:54 |
| seb128 | well, my position would be to stay with what we have unless somebody is wanting to deal with the change properly, which means addressing the upgrade problems | 14:54 |
| jbicha | ok, that's fine | 14:55 |
| jbicha | moving on to #2: dealing with headerbar patches | 14:55 |
| jbicha | Khurshid also replied to my email: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-October/005273.html | 14:55 |
| seb128 | tricky | 14:56 |
| jbicha | the headerbar patches are useful for Unity becuase otherwise LIM is broken there | 14:57 |
| seb128 | we said we would drop them to lower delta/maintainance cost | 14:57 |
| seb128 | but if we have contributors doing the work it's a bit less easy to say "no" rather than including them for this cycle | 14:57 |
| seb128 | are those patches known to create any problem? | 14:58 |
| jbicha | they look bad on other desktops (that bug was filed by elementary OS ) and I saw similar badness in Xfce | 14:58 |
| jbicha | so, changing the patches to only apply against Unity are an improvement | 14:58 |
| seb128 | right, but the updates patch change the behaviour to be in unity only | 14:58 |
| seb128 | right | 14:58 |
| seb128 | wdyt? | 14:58 |
| seb128 | I think I'm fine either way | 14:59 |
| jbicha | actually, some of the patches were set to apply anywhere that wasn't GNOME which was why the bug was filed | 14:59 |
| seb128 | I guess Laney would be in favor of dropping them to low delta with upstream | 14:59 |
| seb128 | right | 14:59 |
| seb128 | that was probably the wrong choice | 14:59 |
| seb128 | I think I would be slightly in favor of removing those changes | 15:00 |
| seb128 | we can investigate this gtk3-nocsd mentioned on the list | 15:00 |
| jbicha | it sort of made sense at the time but I think CSD are reasonably well supported by desktops now | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I don't know about it | 15:00 |
| jbicha | how about we think about it more then? | 15:00 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:00 |
| seb128 | let's follow up on the list | 15:00 |
| jbicha | ok, #3 ok to sync gnome-user-share? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | what's the user experience today with that one? | 15:02 |
| seb128 | you can enable it from an ui and it prompts you to install packages? | 15:02 |
| jbicha | there is no user experience in the latest version of gnome-user-share itself | 15:02 |
| seb128 | well, with the one we currently have | 15:02 |
| seb128 | like what do we give up on? | 15:03 |
| jbicha | with the old version, it has a file sharing thing used by Unity | 15:03 |
| jbicha | but we have been patching it to break the file sharing feature for years becuase we didn't want that apache bin in the desktop install | 15:04 |
| seb128 | ideally we would have g-c-c installing packages on demand when you try to enable it there I guess? | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | kenvandine: hey! | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | kenvandine: you around? | 15:05 |
| seb128 | we are in a meeting | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | Ah, oops, excuse me then! | 15:05 |
| seb128 | but almost over | 15:05 |
| seb128 | no worry | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | hey sil2100 | 15:05 |
| * sil2100 hides | 15:05 | |
| seb128 | jbicha, let's continue on the list | 15:05 |
| jbicha | ok | 15:05 |
| seb128 | sorry I feel like we don't have a good quorum today | 15:06 |
| seb128 | willcooke is off and didrocks as well (who usually has input on such topics) | 15:06 |
| jbicha | g-c-c hides the File Sharing subpanel if gnome-user-share is not installed | 15:06 |
| xnox | Laney, whoop whoop re:bos02 =) | 15:06 |
| seb128 | and others don't seem to have much opinion | 15:06 |
| Laney | hi | 15:06 |
| seb128 | jbicha, on a similar topic we should perhaps revisit what we do with nautilus-share, it's quite buggy atm | 15:07 |
| seb128 | jbicha, the pam integration package it tries to install has been remove in xenial | 15:07 |
| Laney | might be worth thinking about 3b in jbicha's email | 15:07 |
| seb128 | so installation fails and auth isn't working unless you go add users manually | 15:07 |
| seb128 | hey Laney :) | 15:07 |
| Laney | it'd be cool to have those features | 15:08 |
| seb128 | right | 15:08 |
| seb128 | I think I would like to have it | 15:08 |
| seb128 | either by installation things | 15:08 |
| Laney | guessing security would want to remove it | 15:08 |
| Laney | review* | 15:08 |
| Laney | or remove :P | 15:08 |
| seb128 | or by changing g-c-c to do "install on demand" rather than hidding | 15:08 |
| Laney | mmm | 15:08 |
| jbicha | Laney: you were right the first time ;) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | jbicha, ok, let's continue on the list, it seems like we would like to have the feature user visible but we need to define the best way to get there | 15:10 |
| jbicha | sure, thanks | 15:11 |
| seb128 | thanks for bringing those topics | 15:11 |
| seb128 | sorry that there was not much traction to discuss them | 15:11 |
| seb128 | as said we are missing some people | 15:11 |
| seb128 | let's continue on the list and maybe try to get a conclusion next week | 15:11 |
| jbicha | it's fine, some are complicated and it's good to think things through | 15:11 |
| seb128 | right | 15:11 |
| seb128 | any other topic? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | seems not, it's a wrap then | 15:13 |
| Laney | nein | 15:13 |
| Laney | thanks! | 15:13 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone! | 15:13 |
| seb128 | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 31 15:13:12 2017 UTC. | 15:13 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-10-31-14.30.moin.txt | 15:13 |
| oSoMoN | thanks everyone | 15:13 |
| * kenvandine waves | 15:13 | |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, please let me know when the glib package in the backports PPA is refreshed so I can trigger a LO snap rebuild | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, i will | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | waiting for an LP build that's queued | 15:15 |
| Laney | jbicha: on fontconfig, would a symlink /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ -> the new directory work? | 15:17 |
| Laney | that or a maintainer script fixing up any symlinks in conf.d | 15:17 |
| Laney | you'd have to fix all font pkgs that install into conf.avail too | 15:18 |
| Laney | or make fontconfig read both? | 15:19 |
| jbicha | fontconfig itself reads from /etc/fonts/conf.d/ these are just templates that can be symlinked | 15:20 |
| jbicha | maybe you're familiar with web servers using sites-available and sites-enabled ? | 15:21 |
| Laney | I remember the seup | 15:21 |
| Laney | setup | 15:21 |
| jbicha | I didn't know anything about fontconfig until I started working on this emoji thing | 15:21 |
| Laney | so the only problem is that someone might have manually symlinked something that moves into /usr/share/ | 15:21 |
| jbicha | right | 15:22 |
| jbicha | I'm not sure how making that directory a symlink would work since there are lots of other Debian packages that try to install files to that /etc directory | 15:22 |
| Laney | shouldn't be required, I don't think emptying it should be a goal | 15:22 |
| Laney | at least not now | 15:23 |
| jbicha | apt-file search /etc/fonts/conf.d | 15:23 |
| Laney | most packages install into .d and .avail | 15:24 |
| Laney | and then when they move to /usr they should fix old symlinks | 15:24 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, did you see my ping yesterday that chromium 62.0.3202.75 is ready for publication in the stage PPA? | 15:25 |
| jbicha | we can symlink files, I don't have any experience with symlinking directories in Debian packages if other Debian packages might try using those directories | 15:25 |
| Laney | nah don't think that is required | 15:25 |
| jbicha | I think I'm confused by what you are suggesting then | 15:26 |
| Laney | I think fontconfig itself should only need to care about packages that it is now moving to /usr that weren't symlinked from conf.d before | 15:26 |
| jbicha | ok, we can add symlinks for all of those files | 15:26 |
| Laney | s/packages/files/ | 15:26 |
| Laney | either symlink those from conf.avail or a maintainer script to fix up any now dangling symlinks in conf.d | 15:27 |
| Laney | don't actually see any on my system though | 15:28 |
| Laney | oh no I do | 15:28 |
| Laney | e.g. 10-no-sub-pixel.conf | 15:29 |
| Laney | an advantage of fixing them up is that it's a droppable patch post-LTS but symlinking less so | 15:32 |
| jbicha | Laney: so sort of like https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-freedesktop/fontconfig-debian.git/tree/debian/fontconfig-config.maintscript | 15:34 |
| jbicha | but with mv_conffile instead of rm_conffile | 15:35 |
| Laney | that's the removing half, to fix up it's something like for file in /etc/conf.d/*; if symlink pointing to one of these removed files, remove it and make symlink to /usr/share/...; done | 15:36 |
| Laney | did Debian bother doing anything like that? | 15:37 |
| jbicha | it doesn't look like it based on https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-freedesktop/fontconfig-debian.git/log/debian/rules | 15:38 |
| jbicha | let me check… | 15:39 |
| Laney | not that I can see | 15:39 |
| jbicha | well this doesn't work: https://bugs.debian.org/714157 | 15:44 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 714157 in fontconfig-config "fontconfig-config made /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ a symlink, breaking other packages' conffiles" [Serious,Fixed] | 15:44 |
| Laney | yeah don't do that if other packages are going to try to put files there | 15:44 |
| jbicha | yeah my instinct said that was a bad idea | 15:46 |
| Laney | I thought the goal was to stop putting anything in that /etc directory | 15:46 |
| Laney | but it's not, so no need to go through that pain | 15:46 |
| jbicha | yeah, it seems likely there are 3rd party deb's that we couldn't fix | 15:48 |
| jbicha | I don't have much experience with maintainer scripts but I think I have enough to start with now | 15:50 |
| jbicha | thanks for the ideas | 15:50 |
| Laney | should be fun | 15:51 |
| Laney | happy to review it if you want to show me something | 15:51 |
| Laney | laney@nightingale> readlink -e /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-antialias.conf ~ | 15:53 |
| Laney | /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-antialias.conf | 15:53 |
| Laney | that's probably a thing to use | 15:53 |
| Laney | lies, it doesn't work for broken symlnks | 15:54 |
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| Laney | readlink -m | 15:54 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, have you verified that packages build in bionic with https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=91b98436ca90dad3bb11a5944be70b39c057e8ec ? | 16:37 |
| ricotz | oSoMoN, yes | 16:39 |
| oSoMoN | ricotz, excellent, thanks! | 16:40 |
| * andyrock misses c++ 💔 | 17:04 | |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, new glib didn't fix it | 17:14 |
| oSoMoN | :/ | 17:14 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, it must still be related though | 17:15 |
| kenvandine | i'm sure this worked relatively recently | 17:15 |
| kenvandine | but i probably haven't tested this scenario since the per desktop overrides work landed | 17:15 |
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| xnox | https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/+activereviews looks ungardened | 17:34 |
| * oSoMoN EOD | 18:18 | |
| oSoMoN | good night all | 18:18 |
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| jbicha | I opened a trello card for the sane-backends issues since I don't think I'll be able to do much more troubleshooting myself on it | 22:54 |
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