[01:54] <Bashing-om> New kernel for xenial is on the street: linux-image-4.4.0-98-generic (4.4.0-98.121) .
[01:54] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[06:30] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hey eric
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> just woke up with cuppa coffee
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> all good EriC^^ ?
[06:35] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:35] <EriC^^> yup, you?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> great here, holiday
[06:35] <EriC^^> cool
[06:36] <EriC^^> whats the holiday?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: autumn holiday
[06:36] <EriC^^> cool :D
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> 9 days off :p
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> painted my business room
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> today bit chilling
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> morning dax :p
[06:39] <EriC^^> nice!
[06:39] <dax> hihi
[06:40] <dax> lotuspsychje: also, on the off chance nobody has yet extolled the virtues of SASL to you, let me know
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> the what lol?
[06:41] <dax> alrighty. SASL is a way of making sure you're fully logged in to NickServ before you start joining channels and stuff.
[06:41] <dax> It will stop you from ending up in -unregged randomly.
[06:41] <EriC^^> ah nice
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[06:41] <dax> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl has instructions for most clients
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> somehow, hexchat logs me in faster then nickserv, always wondered why
[06:42] <EriC^^> wish they'd remove the +r though
[06:42] <dax> EriC^^: We did, around release day. We started getting spam again. So it's now back on.
[06:42] <EriC^^> just 1 spam
[06:42] <dax> no, not just 1 spam
[06:42] <dax> Once freenode figures out how to get their long-term problem users under control, it'll go away. Until then, we're kinda stuck with it.
[06:43] <EriC^^> hmm i saw 1 attack by 2 nicks, then +r ensued
[06:43] <EriC^^> that would be nice if they made a server protection
[06:43] <dax> Okay. I saw quite a bit more.
[06:43] <dax> though I can see antispambot output and was specifically looking for it, so... :)
[06:44] <dax> Yeah. Not sure exactly what they could do, but considering this dingus is all over the place it's really not something #ubuntu can fix by itself :\
[06:44] <EriC^^> can't we write a bot to defend the channel, or maybe put some people to defend the channel who's good at being op and online a lot?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> theres alot of spam indeed lately
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> i also agree with EriC^^ the numbers of users are affected by +r
[06:45] <dax> EriC^^: Not really. There's an unavoidable lag time between spam starting and bots reacting, and if you have a bunch of spambots in the channel, a lot gets through before the reaction happens.
[06:45] <dax> And ops help approximately zero with this
[06:45] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: users and also lines said in channel, it almost half'd since the +r i told Ben64 and he checked his logs and made a nice plot lines said vs date
[06:46] <EriC^^> channel is dying like this
[06:46] <EriC^^> dax: it's only like 2-3 lines though
[06:46]  * dax sighs
[06:46] <EriC^^> won't the bots get exhausted eventually?
[06:47] <EriC^^> i mean the number of ip's
[06:47] <dax> It's been a year. He's still around.
[06:47] <dax> No, botnets are effectively infinite these days.
[06:47] <dax> (that's a year network-wide, not just in #ubuntu)
[06:47] <EriC^^> who is this guy? can't we reason with him?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> first you need to know who he is lol
[06:47] <dax> has also been tried, has not worked so far
[06:47] <dax> oh, network staff know exactly who he is
[06:47] <EriC^^> what does he want?
[06:47] <dax> to annoy people
[06:48] <dax> that's literally it. no demands.
[06:48] <EriC^^> why
[06:48]  * dax shrugs
[06:49] <EriC^^> dax: can we make ubuntu work on a +v basis?
[06:49] <EriC^^> when a new unregged user joins, a bot asks him an intelligent question that he has to answer and then gives him +v to speak
[06:49] <EriC^^> it should work, no?
[06:50] <dax> was done back in the day with the FloodBots. We no longer have the FloodBots for political reasons, and nobody has yet written a replacement.
[06:50] <EriC^^> i think that's a good solution imho
[06:50] <dax> feel free to write a limnoria plugin or something
[06:50] <dax> i am nowhere near the skill level to do that, i only started tinkering with limnoria at all the other week
[06:51] <EriC^^> i dont know that language at all
[06:51] <EriC^^> can
[06:51] <EriC^^> can't we delegate it to someone? it seems pretty easy
[06:52] <dax> . ubottu is barely maintained and is slowly falling apart due to technical debt, and we haven't yet found anyone to fix her and it's been years.
[06:52] <dax> so no, bot wranglers do not seem to be growing on trees of late
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:53] <EriC^^> heh :D
[06:54] <EriC^^> how would the program work? user joins, if regged +v else, fetch question from list, ask question with a timeout, sanitize input , check if the question's answer is correct, if correct +v user, if not raise the counter+1, if counter=3 end session with user
[06:54] <EriC^^> ?
[06:55] <dax> I forget the details of how FloodBot did it, but something like that.
[06:55] <dax> There's of course the issue that your question list needs to be huge or it's brute-forcable a notable percentage of the time.
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> i dont think 1300 users will answer a question
[06:56] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: just the unregged ones have to
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:56] <EriC^^> i think Svena is good at writing irc plugins and what not
[06:57] <EriC^^> dax: yeah
[06:57] <EriC^^> the questions are the biggest issue i think
[06:58] <EriC^^> they have to be non parsable by a bot yet easy enough that anyone can answer
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> who is the guy anyway, i would trace his botnet and submit to the cops lol
[07:03] <EriC^^> dax: limnoria uses "pypi" ?
[07:04] <dax> it's on pypi, if that's what you mean. it's also in the debian (and i think ubuntu) repos
[07:04] <dax> !info limnoria artful
[07:06] <EriC^^> ah thanks
[07:07] <EriC^^> hmm it's not in xenial?
[07:07] <EriC^^> !info limnoria xenial
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> snap find limnoria
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> The search "limnoria" returned 0 snaps
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> and no snap
[07:09] <dax> i'd probably use git if you're not on something that has it in-repository, tbh
[07:10] <EriC^^> aha thanks
[07:19] <Ben64> late to the party but yeah, when the floodbots went away it was very noticeable
[07:22] <EriC^^> ok, installed limnoria seems to be running
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> think dax is experimenting :p
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> oh its EriC^^
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:22] <EriC^^> :D
[07:22] <EriC^^> reading here now http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/develop/plugin_tutorial.html
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:20] <ducasse> morning, all
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[08:29] <lordievader> Hi ducasse doing good here, just had coffee.
[08:29] <lordievader> How are you?
[08:30] <ducasse> relaxing with a can of coke, catching up on email etc
[08:51] <lordievader> A can of coke... well it has caffeine in there I suppose :P
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> re
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & lordievader
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nice idea a whole can lol
[10:35] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[10:35] <lordievader> How are you?
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> great here lordievader
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> painted in house
[10:37] <lordievader> You are painting the house?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah parts
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> and my business room
[10:38] <lordievader> Nice
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/new-look-skype-for-desktop-released
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> !krack
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> bbl french frites :p
[19:12] <studentloans> nvidia and wayland, from Plasma's perspective: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/10/plasmawayland-and-nvidia-2017-edition/
[19:19] <daftykins> nothing new then, chase version numbers and your life will be hell :)
[19:20] <studentloans> "nothing new" about covers it, yeah
[21:07] <unni_koz> Hello, I looking for help related to apport. Getting core dump to | <path to apport> %p 6 234234234 pipe failed
[21:08] <unni_koz> trying to figure our which process is the real culprit here for SIGABRT.
[21:08] <unni_koz> this is ubuntu 12.04.05 LTS
[21:09] <unni_koz> directory /var/crash is empty
[21:09] <unni_koz> and nothing in apport logs
[21:10] <Bashing-om> unni_koz: Unless you have paid for "extended" support. 12.04 is dead ; and no longer has support .
[21:11] <unni_koz> understood that.
[21:12] <unni_koz> it will be great if someone shed some light how to figure out which process exactly causing this
[21:13] <unni_koz> troubleshooting it for last 4-6 hours... couldnt find anything.
[21:13] <Bashing-om> unni_koz: Regrests, but that too is above my skill set.
[21:14] <unni_koz> thanks Bashing-om
[21:15] <unni_koz> anybody?
[21:15] <unni_koz> please help
[21:22] <daftykins> unni_koz: this isn't a support channel, see topic
[21:22] <unni_koz> oh! thanks daftykins
[21:23] <daftykins> but you won't get support for 12.04 on IRC anywhere :)
[21:23] <unni_koz> understand sir. i need some help to troubleshoot.
[21:23] <unni_koz> where i can get some help/hint... let me know if there is any irc channel
[21:24] <unni_koz> sorry if im creating noise in this chat
[21:24] <unni_koz> channel*
[22:42] <oerheks> wait, sco is not dead ? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/appeals-court-keeps-alive-the-never-ending-linux-case-sco-v-ibm/