[01:54] New kernel for xenial is on the street: linux-image-4.4.0-98-generic (4.4.0-98.121) . [01:54] !info linux-image-generic xenial [01:54] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.98.103 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB [06:29] good morning to all [06:29] !wayland [06:29] Wayland is a display server protocol that can be used instead of X. Ubuntu 17.10 onwards use Wayland by default on systems that support it. For more info, see https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ [06:30] morning all [06:31] hey eric [06:31] just woke up with cuppa coffee [06:33] all good EriC^^ ? [06:35] hey lotuspsychje [06:35] yup, you? [06:35] great here, holiday [06:35] cool [06:36] whats the holiday? [06:36] EriC^^: autumn holiday [06:36] cool :D [06:37] 9 days off :p [06:37] painted my business room [06:37] today bit chilling [06:39] morning dax :p [06:39] nice! [06:39] hihi [06:40] lotuspsychje: also, on the off chance nobody has yet extolled the virtues of SASL to you, let me know [06:40] the what lol? [06:41] alrighty. SASL is a way of making sure you're fully logged in to NickServ before you start joining channels and stuff. [06:41] It will stop you from ending up in -unregged randomly. [06:41] ah nice [06:41] ahh [06:41] https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl has instructions for most clients [06:42] somehow, hexchat logs me in faster then nickserv, always wondered why [06:42] wish they'd remove the +r though [06:42] EriC^^: We did, around release day. We started getting spam again. So it's now back on. [06:42] just 1 spam [06:42] no, not just 1 spam [06:42] Once freenode figures out how to get their long-term problem users under control, it'll go away. Until then, we're kinda stuck with it. [06:43] hmm i saw 1 attack by 2 nicks, then +r ensued [06:43] that would be nice if they made a server protection [06:43] Okay. I saw quite a bit more. [06:43] though I can see antispambot output and was specifically looking for it, so... :) [06:44] Yeah. Not sure exactly what they could do, but considering this dingus is all over the place it's really not something #ubuntu can fix by itself :\ [06:44] can't we write a bot to defend the channel, or maybe put some people to defend the channel who's good at being op and online a lot? [06:44] theres alot of spam indeed lately [06:45] i also agree with EriC^^ the numbers of users are affected by +r [06:45] EriC^^: Not really. There's an unavoidable lag time between spam starting and bots reacting, and if you have a bunch of spambots in the channel, a lot gets through before the reaction happens. [06:45] And ops help approximately zero with this [06:45] lotuspsychje: users and also lines said in channel, it almost half'd since the +r i told Ben64 and he checked his logs and made a nice plot lines said vs date [06:46] channel is dying like this [06:46] dax: it's only like 2-3 lines though [06:46] * dax sighs [06:46] won't the bots get exhausted eventually? [06:47] i mean the number of ip's [06:47] It's been a year. He's still around. [06:47] No, botnets are effectively infinite these days. [06:47] (that's a year network-wide, not just in #ubuntu) [06:47] who is this guy? can't we reason with him? [06:47] first you need to know who he is lol [06:47] has also been tried, has not worked so far [06:47] oh, network staff know exactly who he is [06:47] what does he want? [06:47] to annoy people [06:48] that's literally it. no demands. [06:48] why [06:48] * dax shrugs [06:49] dax: can we make ubuntu work on a +v basis? [06:49] when a new unregged user joins, a bot asks him an intelligent question that he has to answer and then gives him +v to speak [06:49] it should work, no? [06:50] was done back in the day with the FloodBots. We no longer have the FloodBots for political reasons, and nobody has yet written a replacement. [06:50] i think that's a good solution imho [06:50] feel free to write a limnoria plugin or something [06:50] i am nowhere near the skill level to do that, i only started tinkering with limnoria at all the other week [06:51] i dont know that language at all [06:51] can [06:51] can't we delegate it to someone? it seems pretty easy [06:52] . ubottu is barely maintained and is slowly falling apart due to technical debt, and we haven't yet found anyone to fix her and it's been years. [06:52] so no, bot wranglers do not seem to be growing on trees of late [06:53] lol [06:53] heh :D [06:54] how would the program work? user joins, if regged +v else, fetch question from list, ask question with a timeout, sanitize input , check if the question's answer is correct, if correct +v user, if not raise the counter+1, if counter=3 end session with user [06:54] ? [06:55] I forget the details of how FloodBot did it, but something like that. [06:55] There's of course the issue that your question list needs to be huge or it's brute-forcable a notable percentage of the time. [06:55] i dont think 1300 users will answer a question [06:56] lotuspsychje: just the unregged ones have to [06:56] ah [06:56] i think Svena is good at writing irc plugins and what not [06:57] dax: yeah [06:57] the questions are the biggest issue i think [06:58] they have to be non parsable by a bot yet easy enough that anyone can answer [06:58] who is the guy anyway, i would trace his botnet and submit to the cops lol [07:03] dax: limnoria uses "pypi" ? [07:04] it's on pypi, if that's what you mean. it's also in the debian (and i think ubuntu) repos [07:04] !info limnoria artful [07:04] limnoria (source: limnoria): robust and user-friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 2017.08.18-1 (artful), package size 553 kB, installed size 4364 kB [07:06] ah thanks [07:07] hmm it's not in xenial? [07:07] !info limnoria xenial [07:07] Package limnoria does not exist in xenial [07:08] snap find limnoria [07:08] The search "limnoria" returned 0 snaps [07:08] and no snap [07:09] i'd probably use git if you're not on something that has it in-repository, tbh [07:10] aha thanks [07:19] late to the party but yeah, when the floodbots went away it was very noticeable [07:22] ok, installed limnoria seems to be running [07:22] think dax is experimenting :p [07:22] oh its EriC^^ [07:22] lol [07:22] :D [07:22] reading here now http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/develop/plugin_tutorial.html [07:58] bbl [08:20] morning, all [08:26] Good morning [08:29] hi lordievader - all well? [08:29] Hi ducasse doing good here, just had coffee. [08:29] How are you? [08:30] relaxing with a can of coke, catching up on email etc [08:51] A can of coke... well it has caffeine in there I suppose :P [10:28] re [10:28] hey ducasse & lordievader [10:29] ducasse: nice idea a whole can lol [10:35] Hey lotuspsychje [10:35] How are you? [10:36] great here lordievader [10:36] painted in house [10:37] You are painting the house? [10:38] yeah parts [10:38] and my business room [10:38] Nice [15:53] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/new-look-skype-for-desktop-released === dax is now known as studentloans [15:56] !krack [15:56] KRACK is a group of attacks against the wireless WPA2 protocol and related software. Ubuntu clients are protected against it if they are updated; see https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/ for details. Networking equipment needs updating if using 802.11r, repeater mode, or other AP-as-client configurations, which most are not. See https://www.krackattacks.com/ for technical details. === phunyguy is now known as phunyghost [17:04] bbl french frites :p [19:12] nvidia and wayland, from Plasma's perspective: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/10/plasmawayland-and-nvidia-2017-edition/ [19:19] nothing new then, chase version numbers and your life will be hell :) [19:20] "nothing new" about covers it, yeah === el is now known as strawfeminist [21:07] Hello, I looking for help related to apport. Getting core dump to | %p 6 234234234 pipe failed [21:08] trying to figure our which process is the real culprit here for SIGABRT. [21:08] this is ubuntu 12.04.05 LTS [21:09] directory /var/crash is empty [21:09] and nothing in apport logs [21:10] unni_koz: Unless you have paid for "extended" support. 12.04 is dead ; and no longer has support . [21:11] understood that. [21:12] it will be great if someone shed some light how to figure out which process exactly causing this [21:13] troubleshooting it for last 4-6 hours... couldnt find anything. [21:13] unni_koz: Regrests, but that too is above my skill set. [21:14] thanks Bashing-om [21:15] anybody? [21:15] please help [21:22] unni_koz: this isn't a support channel, see topic [21:22] oh! thanks daftykins [21:23] but you won't get support for 12.04 on IRC anywhere :) [21:23] understand sir. i need some help to troubleshoot. [21:23] where i can get some help/hint... let me know if there is any irc channel [21:24] sorry if im creating noise in this chat [21:24] channel* === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [22:42] wait, sco is not dead ? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/appeals-court-keeps-alive-the-never-ending-linux-case-sco-v-ibm/