[00:00] <TJ-> eein_: what is the input? is it line-level input? is there an optional pre-amp that can be enabled ? have you tried, in a terminal shell, using "alsamixer" and seeing what it offers on the input channels?
[00:00] <TJ-> eein_: press F4 I think it is to see the Capture devices
[00:01] <eein_> "this sound device does not have any controls" yay
[00:01] <eein_> looks like nothing has changed since 2009 https://ywwg.com/wordpress/?p=772
[00:01] <TJ-> eein_: so it's an ALSA driver issue then
[00:04] <TJ-> eein_: I looked at the Native Instruments web-pages about that device, and followed the link they provide to the ALSA drivers, and on that wiki page I saw it says "Note that some usb-audio devices do not have internal mixer controls" ... which explains why you can't see an mixer controls
[00:07] <hehehe> hi
[00:08] <hehehe> what is a lightweight and robust email client?
[00:08] <Sveta> sylpheed
[00:08] <hehehe> I use evolution and it often does not woek
[00:08] <hehehe> worl
[00:08] <hehehe> work
[00:08] <hehehe> Sveta: do they have irc channel?
[00:09] <hehehe> in case something yet to work
[00:09] <lobata> mutt
[00:10] <TJ-> hehehe: GUI? Mozilla Thunderbird
[00:10] <hehehe> sulpheed seems nice
[00:10] <hehehe> going to check it oit
[00:11] <hehehe> out
[00:11] <Sveta> hehehe: ya, i've joined #sylpheed, if you join too maybe a few more weeks and we have a working channel :)
[00:12] <hehehe> and how I can use an irc bouncer?
[00:12] <hehehe> to instead of my IP there is a website name :D
[00:12] <hehehe> *so
[00:12] <nacc> hehehe: that's not an ubuntu support topic, nor is that what you need a bouncer for
[00:13] <Sven_vB> My vlc 2.2.7 (2.2.2+git20170721+r59033+56~ubuntu16.04.1) has the "VLC could not decode the format "h264" (H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10))" problem although I have ubuntu-restricted-extras v65 installed. Any ideas? Maybe these threads could help but Firefox insists to protect me from reading them because the SSL cert is expired: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=119538 https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=134955
[00:14] <kostkon> Sven_vB, afaik vlc comes with its own codecs
[00:14] <Sven_vB> kostkon, so is there a VLC with h264 support for Ubuntu Xenial?
[00:14] <nacc> Sven_vB: also, that's not an ubuntu version
[00:14] <nacc> !info vlc xenial | Sven_vB
[00:14] <kostkon> Sven_vB, how did you install it
[00:15] <lobata> the thread says something about a nightly build.
[00:15] <nacc> Sven_vB: or use the snap
[00:15] <nacc> lobata: so... not supported here :)
[00:16] <Sven_vB> kostkon, deb ppa:videolan/stable-daily xenial main -> aptitude install vlc. maybe I should try an older version.
[00:16] <nacc> Sven_vB: you need to contact the ppa owner for support, not this channnnel, the
[00:16] <nacc> err, channel, sorry
[00:16] <kostkon> Sven_vB, try the snap
[00:16] <nacc> (and for the snap, the snap owner for support)
[00:17] <hehehe> Sveta: yet to work
[00:17] <nacc> which i believe is upstream currently (see contact link in `snap info vlc`)
[00:17] <hehehe> :D
[00:17] <Sven_vB> !snap
[00:18] <Sven_vB> man doesn't know about snap either, so probably I don't have that. I'll try removing the deb line and reinstall vlc
[00:18] <Sven_vB> and update package lists in between
[00:18] <kostkon> Sven_vB, sudo snap install vlc
[00:29] <Sveta> hehehe: i'll get a copy onto this computer if i can, hang on
[00:29] <bcowan> Anyone know if the installer works yet when you tell it not to install a bootloader?
[00:29] <hehehe> brb
[00:31] <Jordan_U> bcowan: Is there a specific bug number you're referring to? What is your end goal?
[00:33] <Sveta> hehehe: the account wizard doesn't have ports but they are under Configuration → Edit accounts
[00:33] <hehehe> oki
[00:33] <bcowan> Jordan_U: I have an old MacBook with 32bit efi, but 64bit userland so I don’t want the Installer to install grub and it always fails when I tell it not to
[00:35] <Jordan_U> bcowan: What version of Ubuntu are you installing? What happens when you try to install without installing a bootloader? What happens when you try to install and allow it to install a bootloader?
[00:36] <hehehe> Sveta: same does not work
[00:36] <hehehe> may check later
[00:36] <Sveta> hehehe ok, you will need to tell what mail provider you're using and what are the symptoms
[00:36] <hehehe> no error
[00:37] <hehehe> I can pm later
[00:37] <Sveta> hehehe pm is ok. i will be in #sylpheed too. see ya
[00:38] <bcowan> Jordan_U: last I tried was 17.04,  if you tell it to not install a bootloader it fails and ubiquity crashes right then, of course if it tries to install a bootloader it fails too because I have 32 bit efi and it wants to install 64bit
[00:39] <hehehe> once I updated dns servers do I simply restart service called networking?
[00:41] <gbellinoz> Well, the slow-menu rendering in Java apps didn't survive a reboot.  Not usually the 1rst (or 5th) thing I think of to try, because, you know, "linux".
[00:42] <gbellinoz> I should have realized it wasn't the updates because those were a week ago and it was so slow I should have trusted that I would have noticed sooner than today.
[00:55] <utnapistimm> hello
[00:56] <tomreyn> hi there
[00:56] <utnapistimm> I was updating a computer the other day that had like 9 months aprox of updates without apply. The computer was a 16.04 if I don't remember bad.
[00:57] <utnapistimm> I updated the nvidia package wich was a mystake because it gave a lot of errors
[00:57] <utnapistimm> when rebooting the session didn't enter
[00:57] <utnapistimm> So. I need to know where I can search with terminal the history of unistalled packages
[00:58] <tomreyn> /var/log/apt/history.log
[00:59] <tomreyn> or, for more reliable / complete output, /var/log/apt/term.log
[01:01] <utnapistimm> So, if I reinstall the previous package and unistall the last one, all should be ok, right? At first I though that it was the archive ICEautority or Xautority that was missing or corrupt (happened me two times) but, no, I created another user and the another user has also problems to log in.
[01:01] <utnapistimm> tomreyn, thank you very much for the commands, that was I was looking
[01:02] <tomreyn> if this is a desktop system with the default ubuntu desktop / unity shell, you can install ubuntu-desktop which should ensure that all needed packages are installed.
[01:02] <tomreyn> "ubuntu-desktop" being a package name
[01:12] <TJ-> utnapistimm: did you try booting with an older kernel via the GRUB boot menu > Advanced sub-menu? It's possible you installed a kernel uprade and the nvidia module failed to build for that new kernel version, but the older kernel+nvidia driver should still be installed and available
[01:29] <Sven_vB> I've removed the vlc daily PPA, closed all running instances of vlc, uninstalled vlc, installed it again, so now it's at 2.2.2-5ubuntu0.16.04.4. I started it, tried to play my video but still get "VLC could not decode the format "h264" (H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10))." what to try next? (I'm not convinced of snaps yet.)
[01:31] <utnapistimm> tomreyn, but the desktop was already installed. you mean as a way to ensure that all packages requerided are correctly installed?
[01:32] <tomreyn> utnapistimm: yes, that's what i meant
[01:33] <utnapistimm> nice, thank you again, I will do that.
[01:33] <tomreyn> good luck
[01:39] <utnapistimm> thanks. bye
[01:58] <Sven_vB> looks like a problem with libavcodec: "core warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so' (libavcodec-ffmpeg.so.56: failed to map segment from shared object)¶ core error: corrupt module: /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so" so I'll try reinstall that.
[02:05] <Sven_vB> oh nice, that was easy: I just have to run vlc with LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.53 as described in http://web.archive.org/web/20171031020410/https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=119705#p406860
[02:06] <Sven_vB> … which is really strange because I don't have a directory /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/
[02:10] <Sven_vB> turns out the problem was ulimit in my start script. VLC just got way hungrier for memory.
[02:32] <bloop> synaptic segfaults for me
[02:32] <bloop> ubuntu 17 64bit
[02:34] <bloop> what happened to apt-get in ubuntu 17?
[02:34] <bloop> why doesn't it autocomplete packages?
[02:36] <kenrin> Did it ever complete packages?  I'm using 16 LTS and it doesn't
[02:36] <kenrin> Apt does,  not apt-get
[02:37] <kenrin> Ah nevermind,  I think I disabled that
[02:37] <elisa87_> please have a look at this question https://askubuntu.com/questions/971119/convert-a-sequence-of-ppm-images-to-avi-video
[02:37] <bloop> bashrc issue
[02:39] <TJ-> ouch! md5sum has blocked in 'ecrypt' state whilst trying to sum a small file on an overlayfs mount, where the lowerdir is on ecryptfs file-system. Worse still, trying to connect gdb to the process results in gdb getting stuck trying to attach! any ideas on how to become unstuck?
[02:43] <bloop> in ubuntu 17 how do you make a window pop up without it going to the next screen
[02:43] <bloop> like if I want to open a terminal window over the current workspace
[02:44] <bloop> and the terminal is in my task list
[02:45] <tomreyn> bloop: there is no ubuntu 17
[02:46] <tomreyn> there are 17.04 and 17.10, possibly with additional dots and digits appended to those.
[02:46] <bloop> 17.10
[02:48] <tomreyn> about shell completion, do you have "bash-completion" installed (assuming you use bash?)?
[02:59] <bloop> I've fixed that issue already
[03:02] <bloop> new unity is really... bad
[03:02] <bloop> the bar at the top is totally useless other than showing the day and time
[03:02] <bloop> aside from the menu stuff on the left and right which could be placed elsewhere
[03:03] <bloop> at least in previous unity that was where the menus were
[03:03] <bloop> and there's even LESS customizations
[03:10] <unitypunk> anyone got a min to chat about pxe booting>
[03:10] <unitypunk> getting "could not boot from root path"
[03:26] <krytarik> bloop: That's Gnome Shell now btw.
[03:27] <masber> good afternoon all, I don't know why my ubuntu server does not want to install htop... https://bpaste.net/show/0d82ea845447 any thoughts?
[03:28] <krytarik> !info htop
[03:29] <dax> sudo apt update
[03:30] <krytarik> masber: Make sure the 'universe' repo is enabled.
[03:32] <masber> thank you all sudo apt update fixed the issue
[03:39] <linelevel> Hi, I made a systemd service and when I start it, the log says:
[03:39] <linelevel> my-udp-service.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=203/EXEC
[03:39] <linelevel> my-udp-service.service: Unit entered failed state.
[03:39] <linelevel> my-udp-service.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[03:39] <linelevel> (sorry, meant for that to be sent as a single message)
[03:40] <linelevel> My question is: How can I get more info about the cause of failure? When I run the line on `ExecStart` manually, it works fine, so it must be something in the service config that is causing a problem.
[03:47] <TJ-> linelevel: "status=203/EXEC" tells you the program returned 203; so determine what that means
[03:52] <linelevel> TJ-: Thank you. I figured it out. I was piping output to a log file on the ExecStart line, which apparently is incorrect semantics. (Yes, I realize systemd service logs can be viewed with journalctl by default.)
[03:53] <TJ-> linelevel: aha! wish all problems were that simple to solve
[04:45] <otsoaunloco> Hi, I have the strangest issue ever. My optimus laptop doesn't work on Intel(black screen after login) but does fine on Nvidia. It used to work fine on Intel ever since I installed 17.10 until an hour ago when it randomly crashed, forcing me to do a hard reset. Now it only boots after "prime-select nvidia". How do I even troubleshoot that? Is there a way to reinstall Intel drivers?
[05:05] <xnite> I'm trying to get my soundblaster z (5.1 surround) to work under 17.04 but with no such luck. I can't get anything out of it. I'm positive that the cables are plugged in correctly because it works under Windows.
[05:06] <xnite> first of all, it doesn't even show up as a 5.1 surround device, I only have options for left and right speakers. secondly it doesn't even work :(
[05:07] <TJ-> xnite: you'll need to change the alsa/pulseaudio profile to be 5.1. either use the GUI pavucontrol or pactl CLI
[05:07] <TJ-> xnite: also, try using alsamixer and ensure things aren't muted
[05:09] <xnite> TJ- it doesn't appear to be muted to me. :/ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ElTi1BZo/
[05:11] <TJ-> xnite: try switching to the 5.1 profile
[05:12] <xnite> TJ-: how? I don't see the option for it?
[05:13] <TJ-> xnite: in the CLI its "pactl list cards", then identify the profile, then  "pactl set-card-profile <CARD> <PROFILE>"
[05:19] <xnite> TJ- I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I don't see a 5.1 profile. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LvWlOgGE/output.txt
[05:22] <TJ-> xnite: strange, looks like the ALSA driver can't find the sinks to make it work
[05:24] <xnite> TJ-: yea, I see quite a few people have this problem, but none of the "working" solutions work for me :(
[05:24] <xnite> and according to some of the stuff I read it was supposed to be fixed with kernel 3.9 and this is on kernel 4.10
[05:35] <bloop> is there a way to prevent the screen from going black when I have a video maximized
[05:35] <bloop> ubuntu 17.10
[05:51] <levlaz> bloop: I feel like that 'bug' has been in GNOME for the last two decades. I recall having to adjust my screensaver settings to get this to work.
[06:04] <alkisg> bloop: your video player needs to "ping" the screensaver, which one are you using?
[06:06] <shadoxx> / buffer 22
[06:15] <alkisg> I have a .csv file that contains cells like 01234. Libreoffice imports them as numbers, 1234. How can I keep the 0?
[06:37] <freakyy> hi all. about ubuntu. kubuntu has some software sources that update kde to a newer version than t he one shipping with kubuntu. does ubuntu has the same for gnome?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: what do you mean exactly?
[06:38] <freakyy> packages for ubuntu for gnome that are newer than the one shipping per default
[06:38] <diskin> alkisg, check https://imgur.com/a/CfLtn
[06:39] <dax> lotuspsychje: (kubuntu backports is the KDE bit)
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> !latest | freakyy
[06:39] <diskin> you can also select just columns you need, and change their type
[06:39] <alkisg> diskin: thanks! I was seeing that field as disabled, and I hadn't realized that I had to select a column first :)
[06:40] <freakyy> !backports
[06:41] <diskin> alkisg, you are welcome!
[06:41] <freakyy> ok looks like there isnt ;D
[06:41] <freakyy> ok thanks all
[06:41] <freakyy> or well ive already enabled backports
[06:42] <freakyy> i love ubuntu its awesome ;D
[06:42] <akik> freakyy: ubuntu 17.10 has a version of gnome that is different than the one gnome project creates. it's customized
[06:43] <freakyy> akik: i know i thought about "backports" but ive already enabled that
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: or do you mean the proposed repo?
[06:43] <freakyy> no i also have enabled proposed
[06:43] <freakyy> there was a time
[06:43] <freakyy> when gnome 20 was released with ubuntu but there was already 22 available
[06:43] <freakyy> so ... they packaged 22 in an additional repo
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> rolling release?
[06:43] <freakyy> no ideda
[06:43] <freakyy> idea
[06:44] <akik> freakyy: 20, 22 what are these?
[06:44] <freakyy> 3.20 3.22
[06:44] <freakyy> but nm
[06:44] <freakyy> ill just stick with the one ubuntu brings
[06:44] <akik> freakyy: don't call version numbers that don't exist
[06:45] <freakyy> right now i have 3.22+5ubuntu2
[06:46] <akik> freakyy: oh then you'll get a newer gnome with 17.10
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: the ubuntu way, best stick to package versions meant for your ubuntu version, and update system
[06:46] <freakyy> i have 17.10
[06:46] <akik> freakyy: ubuntu 17.10 has gnome 3.26
[06:46] <freakyy> but apt policy gnome
[06:46] <freakyy> says i have 3.22?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: soon daily 18.04 will have higher gnome..
[06:47] <akik> huh?
[06:47] <freakyy> lotuspsychje: ok :)
[06:47] <freakyy> thanks ^^
[06:47] <akik> ubuntu 17.10 doesn't have gnome 3.26?
[06:47] <freakyy> i dont know ... mayb ejust some packages are older
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell artful
[06:47] <freakyy> and others are newer
[06:48] <xtron> someone can help me regarding user accounts on linux?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> !ask | xtron
[06:48] <freakyy> ah yeah ;D gnome-shell hast he newer version
[06:49] <freakyy> im afk now
[06:49] <freakyy> bbl bye all ;D
[06:50] <xtron> lotuspsychje, I added an account on ubuntu machine, I want this account independent of other accound like everything in this account remains there and not visible to others
[06:50] <xtron> but I can see all the files from other user account
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> xtron: you need a hidden user?
[06:51] <xtron> I need windows like user account, simply!
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> xtron: meaning?
[06:52] <akik> xtron: use chmod to restrict other users' access to the home dir (chmod 700 directory)
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> xtron: the way ubuntu adds users, you can see other ones files, unless you block access with chmod
[06:52] <xtron> mean my home directory, my installed application should remain in my account
[06:52] <xtron> I installed google chrome, but it also installed on system and other users as well
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> xtron: apps configs are seperated
[06:53] <akik> xtron: if you install applications to the system directories, they're available to all users by default
[06:54] <xtron> lotuspsychje, means? my web history and downloads should remain isolated
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> xtron: yes indeed
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> xtron: another user cant check your configs if they dont have password
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> xtron: but they can browse your /home dir if you dont lock it with chmod
[06:55] <xtron> lotuspsychje, but my home directory, so you say I should change permissions? with chmod
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> xtron: depends what you want?
[06:56] <xtron> and when I deluser, everything will wipe away? right?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> xtron: if your the admin, the system is yours right
[06:57] <xtron> lotuspsychje, current account have root access, is it enough?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> xtron: if you got sudo rights, you can do whatever you like on your system
[06:58] <hateball> xtron: You can change the default umask if you like, so that new folders/files are only visible to user/group for instance
[06:58] <unitypunk> am having trouble with my wificard and ubuntu
[06:59] <unitypunk> lspci shows it
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: ubuntu version and wifi chipset+ driver plz?
[06:59] <unitypunk> ummmm
[06:59] <unitypunk> 16.04
[06:59] <unitypunk> or 14
[06:59] <unitypunk> what ever lts is
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: sudo lshw -C network
[06:59] <xtron> lotuspsychje, even the machine is mantained by IT guys and I've root passwd, I think I can manage the accounts now,
[07:00] <xtron> lotuspsychje, thanks
[07:00] <unitypunk> is isl3874/3872
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> xtron: check also man useradd or adduser, there's a way to make a hidden user aswell
[07:01] <unitypunk> and im not sure what driver? what ever comes with a brand new install of ubuntu id guess.
[07:01] <unitypunk> maybe prism 2/2.5
[07:02] <xtron> lotuspsychje, great I will, I tried it before but find that doc boring :) I will try again
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: sudo lshw -C network will show you behind driver=
[07:03] <dreamon> hello. I'm prgramming in gtk2. having some issue with window usage. is there a tool out there to analyse my windows and show some details by clicking on it.
[07:03] <akik> lotuspsychje: hidden user? what's that?
[07:03] <unitypunk> lshw isnt telling me anything about a driver man
[07:04] <unitypunk> description product vendor physical
[07:04] <unitypunk> bus info
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: does it say unclaimed?
[07:04] <unitypunk> nah
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> akik: check man useradd or adduser
[07:04] <unitypunk> its got a bunch of info on the card
[07:04] <unitypunk> but no driver
[07:04] <hateball> The closest you can get to a hidden user is changing umask (useradd) or using encryption (adduser) afaik
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: can you pastebin it?
[07:05] <akik> lotuspsychje: i checked, it's not there
[07:05] <unitypunk> hmm gimme a second
[07:06] <unitypunk> ohh i found the driver, driver=hostap
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> akik: i mean like no /home create
[07:06] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> akik: useradd --no-create-home new_username
[07:08] <hateball> Not very useful if xtron wants to keep a $HOME tho :p
[07:08] <akik> lotuspsychje: yes but it's not a hidden user
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> akik: not really no
[07:09] <akik> linux changes quite rapidly, maybe it can be done :)
[07:12] <xtron> akik, I need an isolated user and what I do in "shadow_account" should remain in "shadow" :)
[07:13] <hateball> xtron: if all you need is privacy in your $home, just change the umask or use encryption -_-
[07:14] <xtron> hateball, with umask you mean change chmod ??
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> xtron: unity can also remove users at login if you need
[07:14] <akik> i have an account on a system protected by grsec. it only shows my own account even though there are other users logged in
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> xtron: you need to tweak lightdm settings for that, so users have to type their names in, instead of clicking existing
[07:15] <hateball> xtron: well yeah. changing umask means files get created with a certain mask by default, so you dont have to chmod them later
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: is your system up to date to latest?
[07:15] <alkisg> Lightdm supports listing specific users only
[07:16] <hateball> xtron: and you can either set a systemwide default for that, or you can set the umask when adding a user with adduser
[07:16] <unitypunk> lotuspsychje the pc is a dinosaur, but the os is fresh lubuntu
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: did you choose update in setup?
[07:16] <unitypunk> 16.04
[07:16] <unitypunk> update?
[07:17] <unitypunk> it was a fresh install?
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: perhaps plugin a cable to do updates?
[07:17] <unitypunk> there was nothing on the drive before isntalling the os?
[07:17] <xtron> hateball, so how to do this umask stuff, I've account "xtron" all I need to do is <chmode 777 home/xtron>??
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: yeah at the setup, you can chosoe to install latest updates
[07:17] <unitypunk> oh yeha
[07:17] <hateball> xtron: if you do 777 then everyone will see your stuff
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: check lsb_release -a plz?
[07:17] <xtron> hateball, damn! then what?
[07:18] <unitypunk> ubuntu 16.04.3 lts...
[07:18] <xtron> lotuspsychje, someone told me this chmod 777 workflow .... hmm?
[07:18] <akik> xtron: no it's bad security :)
[07:18] <xtron> akik, so ?
[07:18] <hateball> lol
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: looks good mate
[07:19] <xtron> akik, i mean what should be done?
[07:19] <akik> xtron: 700 makes it so that only you can access your home directory
[07:19] <hateball> xtron: it's user/group/others, so for instance 770 would only allow the user/group
[07:19] <unitypunk> lotuspsychje sudo apt-get update && upgrade says all is up to date
[07:19] <xtron> akik, hateball where is this umask documentation ?
[07:19] <hateball> xtron: the problem is that if the umask is 022 then newly created things wont be 700
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: ok looks all good, try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and play with wifi a bit to see errors, on/off etc
[07:20] <hateball> xtron: well, "man umask" but it's not that great reading
[07:23] <hateball> xtron: this was a decent example page, http://www.golinuxhub.com/2014/11/what-is-umask-and-how-to-change-default.html
[07:23] <unitypunk> lotuspsychje wifi0 is freaking out a bit
[07:23] <hateball> xtron: in your case you probably want the umask to be 0077
[07:23] <sdfgsdfg> hi, will 18.04 also switch to Gnome from unity ?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> sdfgsdfg: 18.04 will have gnome by default
[07:24] <sdfgsdfg> thats terrible news
[07:24] <sdfgsdfg> unity is so fun to use and gnome sucks balls
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> sdfgsdfg: you can discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss
[07:24] <unitypunk> lol
[07:24] <xtron> hateball, akik should I try 770 or 700, this is now my main dev machine, anything goes wrong will lost me a day atleast
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: pick up error lines and perhaps compare with existing bugs?
[07:25] <xtron> hateball, I'll give it a try
[07:25] <alkisg> xtron: since umask can be a bit tricky, maybe just use "sudo chmod 700 /home/xtron"
[07:25] <alkisg> This will only allow you to access your home dir
[07:26] <unitypunk> things appear to be worse..
[07:26] <unitypunk> now i dont see any accesspoints in the gui
[07:27] <xtron> alkisg, sure?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> xtron: a shared machine is always tricky..what if someone knows your password?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> xtron: keep your data external if your paranoia
[07:27] <alkisg> xtron: yes, if you chmod 700 a directory then the other users can't see inside it, except if they are root (sudo)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: perhaps try changing security wpa/wep/?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: this is your home wifi you try to connect?
[07:28] <unitypunk> yeah
[07:29] <xtron> alkisg, even root shouldn't be able to see inside, rather the account is root from which I want to isolate my account
[07:29] <unitypunk> cnahge security... on the acesspoint?
[07:29] <unitypunk> :-/
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: whats the line errors say exactly?
[07:29] <alkisg> xtron: root can always see everything unless you're using encryption. Umask doesn't help in protecting from root.
[07:29] <unitypunk> wifi0: hfa384x_cmd interrupted; 110
[07:29] <xtron> but my account too have root access, what is this ?
[07:30] <alkisg> xtron: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[07:30] <unitypunk> i wish i could pastebin from it
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: looking up that error holdon
[07:32] <hateball> xtron: then setup encrypted home with adduser, read the manpage
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: not sure its your case, but that card might be too old or something?
[07:33] <akik> hateball: while the encrypted home is opened, root can access it too?
[07:33] <unitypunk> it is old
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: did you make it work on other ubuntu versions yet?
[07:33] <unitypunk> nah
[07:33] <unitypunk> this is first attempt
[07:33] <unitypunk> it is very old
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> ok
[07:34] <unitypunk> pc is a thinkpad a30 1ghz, 512ram.... lol
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: how about you create a new bug for it
[07:35] <hateball> akik: hmmm, I suppose so
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: cant find anything decent on it
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: ubuntu-bug network-manager perhaps
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: and explain your story, ubuntu version, card model, kernel version and syslog/dmesg errors to the bug
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: another thing to test is another version of ubuntu liveusb to see if its working
[07:37] <unitypunk> ha
[07:37] <unitypunk> its too old to boot from usb stick
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: see our supported versions in topic
[07:37] <unitypunk> had to use netboot iso to install
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: you can use 'plop' boot manager on old systems to fake an usb boot
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: write that on a cdrom, and you can boot off an usb like that
[07:38] <unitypunk> ha
[07:38] <unitypunk> i also havent seen a blank cdr in 10 years...
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:39] <unitypunk> and if i had a blank cdr, the device does have a cd bay haha
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: older systems usually do :p
[07:41] <unitypunk> lotuspsychje im majorly bummed the wifi is giving me trouble.
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: or netboot other ubuntu iso's?
[07:41] <unitypunk> but i did learn how to use pxe a little bit with this adventure so far.
[07:41] <unitypunk> i dont think..
[07:41] <unitypunk> you can actually netboot to a real iso
[07:42] <unitypunk> in ##pxe it says clearly " no you cant boot an iso"
[07:42] <unitypunk> lol
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: you can load iso's with grub
[07:42] <unitypunk> i dont follow?
[07:43] <unitypunk> i can give grub a network source to boot from?
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[07:43] <unitypunk> oh wow
[07:43] <unitypunk> didnt know you could do that
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> unitypunk: in the world of ubuntu, you can do alot of magic :p
[07:48] <EriC^^> sudo bunny-out-of-cpuvent
[07:48] <EriC^^> :P
[08:03] <erle-> Is there a way to disable click-by-touch in Gnome on Wayland? (I mean by that that only button clicks should be processed as clicks.)
[08:09] <hateball> erle-: as opposed to.. taps on the touchpad? taps on touchscreen?
[08:10] <erle-> hateball, regular notepad touchpad
[08:10] <erle-> I don't want tapping to be clicks
[08:10] <erle-> only button clicks should be clicks
[08:12] <erle-> This setting "Tap to click" there: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.6/figures/users-system-settings-mouse-trackpad.png
[08:12] <erle-> Can't find it in Ubuntu 17.10 (Gnome has a completely new settings menu)
[08:13] <hateball> erle-: Afraid I dont use GNOME (or Unity) so I do not know where you would set it
[08:30] <riotz> erle-, you open settings -> hardware (or however its called on your system.. ive got a localized one ) -> mouse
[08:32] <lenswipee> hi, when i use graphical interface to execute .run file it opens with default application gedit. please help
[08:36] <hateball> lenswipee: are you trying to install something not in the official repos? that's not really supported here. but if you need to execute a file, mark it as executable (chmod +x)
[08:41] <lenswipee> hateball, i marked it as executable in UI. but when i double click on it it uses my default app to open it which is gedit
[08:42] <alkisg> lenswipee: what's the output of `gvfs-info /path/to/executable` ?
[08:42] <lenswipee> hateball, i dont recall it ever doing that before. what should the default app be set for .run or .sh
[08:42] <lenswipee> let me check
[08:45] <lenswipee> i just get error no such file or dir
[08:45] <alkisg> If you have spaces in the path, use quotes
[08:45] <alkisg> Or use tab to autocomplete the paths
[08:46] <alkisg> E.g. if you type /ho and press tab, it autocompletes /home, then you type len and press tab, it autocompletes lenswipee etc
[08:47] <lenswipee> on in Desktop dir
[08:47] <lenswipee> and file is in there
[08:47] <lenswipee> when i ls i can see the file.run
[08:47] <lenswipee> gvfs-info /file.run <- gives error
[08:47] <lenswipee> strange
[08:48] <alkisg> In the current directory you type gvfs-info file or gvfs-info ./file
[08:48] <alkisg> If you type /file, it means in the root directory
[08:49] <lenswipee> ok thanks
[08:50] <seifer-almasy_> Hello
[08:51] <seifer-almasy_> someone use Spacewalk with debian or ubuntu ?
[08:51] <seifer-almasy_> (spacewalk as a server an debian or ubuntu as a client)
[08:52] <lenswipee> hateball, alkisg, i fixed the problem by changing pref in nautilius. thanks
[08:52] <alkisg> np
[08:53] <lenswipee> so /files means root dir
[08:53] <lenswipee> what does ./files mean?
[08:53] <lenswipee> the extra dot in front
[08:55] <brainwash> the current/working dir
[08:56] <lenswipee> i understand
[08:56] <erle-> riotz, I have to re-check. I am seeing that on screenshots, but I can't see it in my settings menu.
[08:57] <seifer-almasy_> anyone have a ubuntu or debian client works with spacewalk 2.7 ?
[08:59] <brainwash> seifer-almasy_: did you encounter some issue?
[09:01] <brainwash> seifer-almasy_: also, probably a better place to ask would be #spacewalk
[09:08] <seifer-almasy_> @brainwash : yes but on #spacewalk nobody answer
[09:09] <brainwash> seifer-almasy_: you may have to wait a bit
[09:10] <seifer-almasy_> there is people connected but in reality we are alone one spacewalk
[09:10] <brainwash> you can use the mailing list also http://spacewalk.redhat.com/communicate.html
[09:12] <seifer-almasy_> at the begining i thought it would be faster with IRC, but you right, i'm going to use the mailing list
[09:13] <brainwash> if you have encountered a bug, then you could file a bug report
[09:13] <seifer-almasy_> thank you brainwash
[09:14] <brainwash> you're welcome
[09:16] <NinjaKirby> Greetings, I'm experiencing an issue with using the 'Locate' search tool in Terminal. It seems to locate some files in folders they no longer reside in, it's like it has "cached" their old location (prior to being mv'd), so now my script for batch unpacking the files constantly fails. Any thoughts on how to "refresh" the Locate?
[09:17] <alkisg> NinjaKirby: sudo updatedb, but I don't think you should rely on that for scripting
[09:17] <alkisg> Maybe use find instead
[09:18] <NinjaKirby> Ah, okay, tbh I'm not familiar with there differences; I will do some googling on that. I did attempt to use "Find", but that's something else I need to google since it didn't seem to (by default) search beyond the working directory. If Find doesn't need "updating", then I will switch to that, thanks.
[09:19] <akik> NinjaKirby: the second command line argument for find it the starting directory
[09:20] <akik> is
[09:21] <NinjaKirby> Ah, many thanks, I was running out of time before I had to stop using the work PC, otherwise I would have persisted and used 'man find' and stuff, so I appreciate you taking the time to fill me in here :)
[09:32] <FMan1988> lol at fakepop
[09:34] <FMan1988> so, dovecot-pop3d is what I want to fetch mail from my server via POP3
[09:37] <FMan1988> what about courier-pop? I require SSL or TLS support to hide my password... dunno how to proceed
[09:50] <|{ame> hello, I do not know if this should be a bug report, but if on ubuntu-server you install gnome-session-flashback and gdm3, you get byobu, but it doesn't pull in xterm
[09:53] <sdfgsdf> hi, where do we send suggestions regarding the new window manager of latest ubuntu releases ?
[09:53] <sdfgsdf> is it because GNOME has contributed a good amount of money to ubuntu ?
[09:54] <sdfgsdf> now ubuntu is dead after 17.10 and 18.04.
[09:54] <bazhang> sdfgsdf, which one are you referring to
[09:54] <sdfgsdf> the switch from unity -> GNOME3
[09:55] <sdfgsdf> I already referred to 17.10 and 18.04
[09:55] <sdfgsdf> if you mean which distro
[09:55] <bazhang> sdfgsdf, thats not really topical, it 'being the end of ubuntu'
[09:55] <geirha> sdfgsdf: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
[09:56] <FMan1988> sigh: "Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-server-5.7 mysql-server" <- it seems that Ubuntu is very error-prone: I have two and both are now having upgrading failure
[09:56] <sdfgsdf> anyways the solution is dont upgrade ubuntu anymore
[09:56] <FMan1988> right
[09:57] <bazhang> sdfgsdf, you can file a wishlist bug, but what you are saying is not topical here
[09:57] <brainwash> sdfgsdf: the Unity DE is still available in 17.10
[09:57] <sdfgsdf> yeah but changing the default =/ that's sad
[09:58] <mikecmpbll> i wonder if anyone knows why ntp isn't working for me, I get this output from ntpq:
[09:58] <sdfgsdf> clueless students will think gnome is ubuntu, the difference is as obvious as the difference between asians and westerners
[09:58]  * FMan1988 dependency problems
[09:58] <bazhang> sdfgsdf, take the chatter elsewhere please
[09:58] <mikecmpbll> https://gist.github.com/mikecmpbll/20d57ea0e70315c77782c2e039129fa6
[09:58] <sdfgsdf> yeah
[09:58] <FMan1988> I guess this might get fixed, if I un-and-reinstalled MySQL, but I am not even using it on the server
[09:59] <sdfgsdf> nah
[09:59] <sdfgsdf> it seems there's no #ubuntu-discussion
[09:59] <FMan1988> "systemd[1]: Failed to start MySQL Community Server." wat do
[09:59] <brainwash> !ot
[09:59] <sdfgsdf> oh its offtopic
[09:59] <sdfgsdf> cool thanks
[10:00] <brainwash> right. this is a support channel
[10:00] <sdfgsdf> ok ill stay here and help clueless newcomers, tell them to switch to unity
[10:00] <mikecmpbll> lots of ntp logs with "Soliciting pool server"
[10:02] <sdfgsdf> mikecmpbll: man ntp
[10:02] <sdfgsdf> mikecmpbll: sorry, i meant man ntpd
[10:02] <brainwash> mikecmpbll: did you read through http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/debug.html ?
[10:02] <mikecmpbll> brainwash : will now ;)
[10:06] <FMan1988> it seems that MySQL managed to break itself
[10:23] <graingert> any way to tell if I'm using systemd-resolved?
[10:28] <brainwash> graingert: systemctl status systemd-resolved
[10:28] <FMan1988> I just realized that my swap isn't on
[10:36] <graingert> nice
[10:36] <graingert> thanks brainwash
[10:37] <graingert> brainwash: systemctl: command not found
[10:38] <graingert> hmm looks like it's not on docker ubuntu then
[10:39] <graingert> so how does docker ubuntu resolve domains
[10:42] <graingert> how to tell how dns is being resolved?
[10:42] <brainwash> graingert: I suggest asking in #docker
[10:43] <brainwash> or reading the docker docs
[10:47] <graingert> well it's specific for an ubuntu container
[10:47] <graingert> I'd imagine it would be using resolve.conf
[10:49] <akik> graingert: do you have a /etc/resolv.conf in the container?
[10:49] <graingert> akik: yes
[10:49] <ThinkT510> !resolvconf
[10:49] <graingert> one sec
[10:50] <graingert> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/EEAUKL3S/
[10:50] <akik> graingert: but name resolution isn't working?
[10:51] <graingert> oh it is
[10:51] <graingert> basically I'm trying to answer: https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/issues/106#issuecomment-340122583
[10:53] <akik> graingert: it's possible to run systemd/systemctl inside a container but it's usually not the case
[10:53] <geirha> you really want to avoid running container inside container
[10:56] <graingert> yes but the resolve daemon
[10:57] <graingert> how does that work inside a container?
[10:57] <akik> graingert: which ubuntu version do you have in the container?
[10:57] <graingert> artful
[10:58] <graingert> artful:20171019
[10:58] <akik> graingert: ok sorry i don't know
[11:00] <graingert> :p
[11:00] <graingert> why did you ask which version xD?
[11:00] <akik> graingert: i don't have that version installed
[11:00] <graingert> what could I have responded with that would have got a difference response?
[11:00] <graingert> just out of interest
[11:01] <graingert> you know you can just do: docker run -it ubuntu:artful /usr/bin/env bash
[11:01] <akik> graingert: ubuntu changes from release to release and name resolution has changed in artful i think (that resolved you mentioned)
[11:01] <graingert> you know you can just do: docker run -it ubuntu:artful-20171019 /usr/bin/env bash
[11:01] <graingert> yeah so I'm not sure if it's used and if I'm vulnerable
[11:01] <graingert> there are package changes
[11:02] <graingert> eg libudev etc
[11:05] <akik> graingert: what do you get with "sudo systemctl status systemd-resolved.service" ?
[11:05] <akik> oh you checked it earlier
[11:06] <akik> that's a really weird artful container if it doesn't have systemctl
[11:08] <akik> probably systemd is not even installed then
[11:11] <akik> maybe it falls back to using the resolver libraries and not any dns daemon on the container
[11:17] <jem^> Hello #ubuntu.  Can anyone point me to information on how to prep a new Ubuntu installation to present an "out of box" experience (as it's called in Windows), so that the OS is installed but on the next boot, the user is taken through the process of setting up a new account
[11:17] <jem^> what's Ubuntu's terminology for that?
[11:19] <akik> graingert: you can run sudo netstat -tulpan | grep ":53 " to see if there's any dns daemon inside the container
[11:22] <akik> jem^: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
[11:22] <jem^> akik: thank you
[11:22] <akik> nice pictures and all :)
[11:22] <aneks> hateball: after all that, the issue wasn't the driver or anything else but rather the cable! switching the HDMI cable to a DP cable fixed the issue :)
[11:23] <xtron> ls
[11:23] <xtron> during yocto image build my system is crashing again and again, how can I find the reason?
[11:29] <akik> graingert: if you don't get any lines with ":53", the container is just using the libc resolver
[11:30] <xtron> got another crash on ubuntu
[11:30] <xtron> during Yocto build
[11:33] <nbusrone> Does anyone know how do I check which application using my storage space installation sorting with size ?
[11:33] <xtron> ping
[11:35] <FMan1988> pong
[11:35] <akik> nbusrone: only thing that comes to my mind is running lsof regularly but it's just showing it at that time, or iotop
[11:36] <akik> nbusrone: i don't think the system gathers that information
[11:37] <FMan1988> I have no idea what storage space installation is, but there is the 'du' command
[11:37] <xtron> FMan1988, ubuntu crashes on yocto build, how to find the reason?
[11:37] <xtron> dmesg is showing nothing important
[11:37] <FMan1988> sorry, I have never done that myself
[11:38] <xtron> anyone else?
[11:41] <nbusrone> akik : hm.. I had install quite some application but not knowing which of the application use up most space with dependencies .
[11:41] <ThinkT510> !fsh | nbusrone
[11:44] <akik> nbusrone: google found this: sudo dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1 -r -n | less
[11:45] <akik> not sure if you need sudo
[11:45] <akik> nbusrone: that works without sudo
[11:50] <nbusrone> ThinkT510 , akik : I can check using Disk usage Analyzer and I had come to a usage of /usr = 36%  /lib=10%
[11:50] <xtron> ping again
[11:51] <nbusrone> akik : Thanks , the size is count with bytes ?
[11:52] <akik> nbusrone: kilobytes i think
[11:54] <nbusrone> akik : top ten all are 6 of them nvidia driver 291mb-170mb , other 2 are browser.Beside 15 of them are linux-image-extra
[11:54] <nbusrone> akik : I only need 1 nvidia driver why there are 6 of them installed ?
[11:55] <akik> nbusrone: no idea
[11:58] <nbusrone> akik : How do I find where are those driver installed  ?
[11:59] <akik> nbusrone: dpkg -L packagename
[11:59] <doug16k> xtron, check /var/log/syslog
[12:00] <doug16k> nbusrone, have you run sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:00] <doug16k> you might have older versions hanging around
[12:03] <nbusrone> doug16k : I still doubt whether those driver is taking out all the storage space. Any application GUI which I can check like uninstall and install application file size ? at lease knowing them what had been installed with the largest application.
[12:04] <demophobia> What causes the audio and video to become off-sync in an mp4 in GNOME Mplayer?
[12:05] <demophobia> How do I resynchronize it? My friend says he had no issues with the mp4
[12:05] <demophobia> the audio is about 10 seconds ahead of the video when i jump ahead to ~1/4 through the mp4
[12:06]  * demophobia reads https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791854
[12:06] <brainwash> tried with a different media player?
[12:07] <Ben64> tried with a different mp4?
[12:07] <nbusrone> doug16k akik : Looks like I found synaptic can use to check them .https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-find-installed-applications-with-installed-size-in-linux/  but not sure if it will list out independent 3rd party .deb file.
[12:07] <demophobia> augh, i just wanted to watch this a little bit before going to bed, not troubleshoot -_-; i guess this is typical for opensource software?
[12:07] <brainwash> nope
[12:08] <brainwash> alternatively, you could watch it with a web browser
[12:08] <demophobia> brainwash, guvcview says 'no video device found' (i found this application in my 'start menu'(?))
[12:09] <demophobia> Ben64, i don't have a different mp4
[12:09] <Ben64> likely to just be that file
[12:10] <brainwash> demophobia: try with firefox/chrome
[12:10] <akik> nbusrone: if you installed the deb file, it'll be in dpkg-query output
[12:10] <brainwash> you can even drag'n'drop it
[12:10] <demophobia> brainwash, just did, it's super-lagging
[12:10] <nbusrone> akik : Is it safe to uninstall linux-image-extra ? I got like 15 of them installed.
[12:10] <demophobia> the frame-rate is like 1/5 what it should be
[12:10] <demophobia> or less
[12:11] <akik> nbusrone: uninstall the ones that don't match your current kernel version
[12:11] <demophobia> Ben64, on Sunday it was off-sync for a few moments but then was fine afterward, including in the spot it's now off-sync at
[12:11] <akik> nbusrone: did you run sudo apt-get autoremove ?
[12:11] <demophobia> Ben64, Sunday my computer froze and i did a hard-shutoff, and now graphics and my mouse appear to be malfunctioning
[12:11] <demophobia> (graphics: e.g. the Google 'loading' progress bar animation)
[12:12] <Ben64> google?
[12:12] <demophobia> while mplayer was open, incidentally -- i suspect it caused the freeze ...
[12:12] <demophobia> logging in google has some animation for loading gmail for slow internet connections (i'm on a cellphone 3g/4g connection)
[12:13] <demophobia> i think this used to be smooth but now it's ... like the screen isn't refreshing properly during the animation
[12:13] <nbusrone> akik : not yet , I am trying to find out which application using most storage. Does autoremove remove tells what to be remove ?
[12:14] <demophobia> goodnight
[12:14] <akik> nbusrone: it'll list the packages it thinks the system doesn't need anymore
[12:14] <demophobia> happy halloween
[12:15] <nbusrone> akik :so I had an option to choose yes and no ?
[12:16] <akik> nbusrone: i'm not sure now
[12:16] <akik> nbusrone: you could run sudo apt-get -s autoremove
[12:16] <akik> nbusrone: that'll show what it would do
[12:16] <nbusrone> akik : I worry I remove some cache which I needed on some application .
[12:22] <maziar> is there any one who is expert in ubuntu ? ( about tuning ubuntu as a SQL db server )
[12:22] <nbusrone> akik : does oder kernals still have its' own usability ? or I can scrap it ? https://paste.ee/p/2wF5Q#cMh9hPW8hH7FJVc09XQPT1CmIGtp8yMA
[12:23] <TJ-> maziar: you might find someone in #ubuntu-server
[12:23] <akik> nbusrone: if the latest one works for you, it's enough
[12:23] <maziar> TJ- thank you so mucj
[12:32] <nbusrone> akik : do you know any good GUI for cleaning cache file ? similar with autoremove ?
[12:32] <akik> nbusrone: no. which cache file?
[12:35] <akik> nbusrone: there's a .cache dir in your home dir
[12:39] <nbusrone> akik : I found an application GUI base https://www.bleachbit.org/download/linux .Not sure it's safe. Somehow I have some doubts on autoremove https://askubuntu.com/questions/554319/using-sudo-apt-get-clean-autoremove-killed-my-laptop
[12:39] <xtron_> how to fix gcc-multilib dependency <depends: gcc-5-multilib (>= 5.3.1-3~) but it is not going to be installed
[12:41] <Israphel> xtron_: old ubuntu?
[12:41] <xtron_> 16.04 LTS
[12:41] <tomreyn> xtron_: the immediate change needed to resolve the conflict is "sudo apt-get install gcc-5-multilib", but mabye you should discuss the bigger picture, providing outputs of 'apt-get update', 'apt-get -f install', 'apt-cache policy', and explain what you're trying to achieve there.
[12:42] <Israphel> it's 5.4 on xenial
[12:42] <xtron_> tomreyn, nope it still throw the same error
[12:42] <Israphel> it's on xenial-updates repo
[12:42] <tomreyn> xtron_: so that's why i suggested to provide the bigger picture
[12:43] <Israphel> can you find it with apt search gcc-5-multilib or no results?
[12:44] <xtron_> Israphel, yes, gcc-5 -v is 5.4
[12:45] <Israphel> not but, the multilib package
[12:45] <Israphel> apt search gcc-5-multilib
[12:45] <Israphel> output: gcc-5-multilib/xenial-updates 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.5 amd64
[12:45] <TJ-> xtron_: do you have the dpkg foreign-architecture set?
[12:46] <xtron_> Israphel, apt search output seems ok
[12:46] <xtron_> packages are there
[12:46] <xtron_> version 5.4
[12:46] <ioria> 🎃
[12:47] <xtron_> TJ-, no I don't know what is dpkg fore.... set?
[12:47] <Israphel> steam requires this I think
[12:49] <akik> nbusrone: you can also use "sudo apt-get remove --purge package" if you want to do it one package at a time
[12:50] <TJ-> xtron_: "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
[12:51] <nbusrone> akik : ok , i'll test out later on thanks for the guide
[12:51] <cerion> hi. on 17.10, is there an easier way to disconnect a bluetooth device than to go to settings > bluetooth > mydevice > disconnect. previuosly on 17.04 that was possible frm the top right menu right away.
[12:51] <xtron_> TJ-, still nothing
[12:52] <TJ-> xtron_: no output? then you need to enable the foreign architecture. what does "dpkg --print-architecture" report?
[12:53] <akik> nbusrone: --purge also removes config files, maybe don't use that if you're not sure
[12:54] <xtron_> TJ-, print nothing
[12:54] <nbusrone> akik : ok , sorry since I am still newbie on ubuntu
[12:54] <TJ-> xtron_: Then your system is broken; that should report the current architecture of the host that packages are installed for
[12:55] <TJ-> xtron_: what does "cat /var/lib/dpkg/arch" show ?
[12:56] <xtron_> TJ-, there is no arch directory in dpkg
[12:56] <TJ-> xtron_: it's a file, not a directory
[12:56] <xtron_> TJ-, no such file
[12:56] <TJ-> xtron_: if that doesn't exist then the system's package manager is truely broken
[12:57] <xtron_> TJ-, is it matters? I mean related to my problem?
[12:57] <TJ-> xtron_: Errr, it's critical.
[12:58] <xtron_> TJ-, hmm, so I should install a fresh copy of Ubuntu on Linux machine
[12:59] <nbusrone> akik : what is the different adding an -s on "sudo apt-get -s autoremove"
[12:59] <TJ-> xtron_: or fix the problem. How did the system get into such a state? You've obviously done something non-standard at some time
[13:00] <xtron_> I did a lot of mess with packages, modifying them to run on emulator
[13:00] <TJ-> xtron_: So you broke it!
[13:01] <ioria> xtron_, can you  ls /var/lib/dpkg  ?
[13:01] <xtron_> ioria, yup done
[13:01] <ioria> xtron_, the content, please ?  on pastebinit
[13:02] <xtron_> ioria, alternatives   cmethopt        info   statoverride      status-old
[13:02] <xtron_> available      diversions      lock   statoverride-old  triggers
[13:02] <xtron_> available-old  diversions-old  parts  status            updates
[13:02] <ioria> xtron_,  no info ?
[13:03] <xtron_> ioria, info is there
[13:03] <xtron_> first line
[13:03] <ioria> ok
[13:04] <akik> nbusrone: -s is for simulate. it just shows what would be done
[13:04] <TJ-> xtron_: what architecture is the system built as? "apt list dpkg" should give you a hint (either amd64 or i386 usually)
[13:05] <xtron_> amd64
[13:06] <xtron_> dpkg/xenial-updates,now 1.18.4ubuntu1.2 amd64 [installed]
[13:06] <xtron_> dpkg/xenial 1.18.4ubuntu1 amd64
[13:09] <zprd> just upgraded to 17.10, antialising is weird on java swing apps
[13:09] <TJ-> xtron_: right, so the problem now is to figure out why dpkg doesn't know that  and fix it. Try "sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64" and then see what "dpkg --print-architecture" reports
[13:10] <ioria> TJ-, sy, does that mean that he got 2 dpkgs ?
[13:10] <xtron_> TJ-, but that can be harmful with current configurations
[13:10] <ioria> TJ-,  one from main, another from updates ?
[13:12] <nbusrone> akik : Thanks will check later on :)
[13:13] <TJ-> ioria: no, note the "[installed]"
[13:13] <ioria> TJ-,  mmm, yep
[13:14] <TJ-> ioria: "apt list [-a] <package>" can list all available versions and where they'll be fetched from
[13:14] <ioria> TJ-, ah, ok
[13:14] <TJ-> xtron_: if configuring the system's package manager correctly is harmful, then you've done something VERY wrong to it
[13:15] <TJ-> ioria: a better version of "dpkg -l" and "apt-cache show" :)
[13:15] <TJ-> err, "apt-cache policy" even
[13:16] <ioria> xtron_, indulge me,   can you paste   on paste.ubuntu.com    'dpkg -l | grep dpkg'    just to be sure
[13:17] <xtron> TJ-, ioria, this is Linux subsystem on Windows, testing its integration with Ubuntu but problem is even installed Ubutnu is 16.4, why package manager is not sync
[13:17] <xtron> I think you guys gonna kick me :P
[13:17] <TJ-> xtron: that's rather a crucial detail you ommitted!
[13:18] <ioria> xtron_,  know almost nothing about that thing  (win subsys)
[13:18] <xtron> so back to the problem,
[13:18] <xtron> any solution?
[13:18] <ioria> xtron_, but i would be glad to see that paste
[13:18] <TJ-> xtron: the problem is the missing arch
[13:19] <xtron> TJ-, so if we add the arch it will break the Sub system, right?
[13:19] <xtron> because that fake arch is providing a controller layer
[13:19] <xtron> controlled layer*
[13:22] <xtron_> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25858567/
[13:23] <ioria> xtron_, tx, it's ok
[13:23] <xtron_> ioria, what?
[13:23] <mitmf> -bash: cmake: command not found. <— what’s wrong?
[13:23] <ioria> xtron_,  the have the correct version
[13:23] <xtron_> ioria, ok
[13:24] <xtron_> TJ-, are you out?
[13:25] <xtron_> ioria, so anyway I can solve the first problem, dependency issue for gcc-5-multilib
[13:27] <mitmf> -bash: cmake: command not found. <— what’s wrong? help me
[13:27] <TJ-> xtron_:  the lack of architecture support *is* the problem!! gcc-5-mulitlib wants to install i386 architecture packages. Windows sub-system doesn't appear to support that so it won't work
[13:28] <TJ-> xtron_: windows-susbsystem isn't a supported configuration, except via Microsoft/Canonical, as far as I'm aware
[13:29] <xtron_> TJ-, what about your idea to add arch?
[13:30] <xtron_> because I see related issue on arch Linux with little different base cause
[13:30] <TJ-> xtron_: presumably the architectures were removed from dpkg because it doesn't work on Windows - unless you removed them yourself. I'm not entirely sure how dpkg can function when it doesn't even know it's own host architecture
[13:31] <ioria> xtron_,  already tried    sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386   ?
[13:31] <xtron_> ioria, nope, worried about that it will break the subsystem
[13:31] <pavlos> mitmf: sudo apt install cmake
[13:31] <TJ-> ioria: without amd64 (host) already showing up that could make dpkg thing the host is i386, not amd64!
[13:31] <mitmf> thanks pavlos  :)
[13:32] <ioria> xtron_,  right
[13:39] <tehstormcrow> Hi i updated to ubuntu 17.10 when i press a keydown, it randomly stops repeat after few key presses
[14:08] <zxcv1729> hey, quick question
[14:08] <zxcv1729> simplest way to always have latest python, amdgpu, neovim?
[14:11] <tomreyn> zxcv1729: latest upstream version or the latest available in your ubuntu release or the latest available in the latest ubuntu release?
[14:11] <zxcv1729> tomreyn: latest upstream
[14:11] <tomreyn> you can build it yourself or find a PPA which does
[14:11] <zxcv1729> tomreyn: for example python 3.6.3
[14:11] <kostkon> zxcv1729, latest upstream python would break Ubuntu for example
[14:12] <tomreyn> that's if he installed it globally
[14:12] <tomreyn> system wide
[14:12] <tomreyn> !latest | zxcv1729
[14:18] <courrier> Hi all, Xorg process on Ubuntu Mate 16.04 is currently draining my CPU (100% of 1 core), how can I diagnose what's going how and fix without rebooting? All GUI actions are tremendously slow, I cannot even read the Web
[14:19] <zarzar> hi i have been running ubuntu 16lts in virtual box, i would like to transfer settings and system config to an ubuntu installed on a physical machine, is that possible? i researched creating an iso but there wold be too many driver issues since the ubuntu is expecting the virtual box "hardware"
[14:20] <hateball> courrier: check ~/.xsession-errors
[14:21] <leftyfb> courrier: look at installing the latest video drivers
[14:21] <leftyfb> zarzar: backup /home and possibly /etc for a copy of settings
[14:21] <leftyfb> zarzar: though I wouldn't recommend just dumping /etc back into a fresh install. Cherry pick configs as needed.
[14:22] <zxcv1729> tomreyn: I know state of ubuntu packaging, just askind is there a way to bypass it
[14:23] <courrier> hateball: can the very last lines be responsible of any CPU overload? http://paste.debian.net/993586/
[14:24] <courrier> leftyfb: Hum, I've been using this computer for months without such issue, this is a very sudden problem, might be due to a recent update though
[14:24] <courrier> Is is possible somehow to restart lighdm without killing all GIU and started apps?
[14:24] <courrier> GUI*
[14:25] <leftyfb> courrier: sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[14:25] <leftyfb> oh wait
[14:25] <leftyfb> no
[14:25] <leftyfb> not without killing all GUI
[14:25] <tomreyn> zxcv1729: cool, i can't measure your experience, so posted this just in case.
[14:26] <courrier> leftyfb: yeah :/
[14:26] <courrier> An "app dumping" feature would be so cool, when X stops, you can dump all app states and restore them
[14:27] <courrier> That could also be useful when stoping and rebooting the computer
[14:27] <leftyfb> courrier: that's called hibernate
[14:27] <leftyfb> but it's the state of everything, not individual apps
[14:27] <sohail-ahmed> does java related problems in ubuntu get answered here?
[14:27] <leftyfb> that's not a thing
[14:27] <leftyfb> sohail-ahmed: not really. Try #java
[14:28] <sohail-ahmed> thanks
[14:28] <courrier> leftyfb: I ahven't seen any Hibernate button for a while, is it still active?
[14:29] <courrier> My current setup does not have an Hibernate button, only standby
[14:29] <courrier> + Hibernate would also restore the buggy X state
[14:33] <zarzar> someone on ##linux mentioned that ubuntu has a nice way to create live cd/dvd from a system?
[14:33] <sohail-ahmed> #Java people sent me here again.. and they say that its not Java specific question but a Ubuntu related one.
[14:33] <courrier> hateball: ah, this error message is maybe a track: "Log level 16: XID collision, trouble ahead / Unexpected destruction of frame 0x3d62805, not sure if this should silently fail or be considered a bug"
[14:34] <sohail-ahmed> would some body please take a look
[14:34] <zarzar> leftyfb: someone on ##linux mentioned that ubuntu has a nice way to create live cd/dvd from a system?
[14:34] <magz0r> Random question about 16.04. Is there a reason the kernel shared memory sysctl settings (kernel.shmall and kernel.shmmax) are gigantic compared to 12.04?
[14:34] <magz0r> E.g., kernel.shmall = 18446744073692774399
[14:34] <leftyfb> zarzar: none that I know of that as are trivial as you might think
[14:34] <leftyfb> sohail-ahmed: what's the issue?
[14:34] <zarzar> someone on ##linux mentioned that ubuntu has a nice way to create live cd/dvd from a system?: ok
[14:34] <zarzar> leftyfb: ok
[14:35] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: when i  run .jnlp file using javaws. a login screen appears. and when i enter my credentials the logging in circle keeps on spining and nothing happens
[14:35] <TJ-> zarzar: we have liveCD customisers/builders, but nothing I've seen that captures the state as you've been asking in ##linux
[14:36] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: the file was runing OK before buntu 16
[14:36] <TJ-> zarzar: the obvious things to capture, as said in ##linux. are the architectures, package-lists, /etc/ and likely $HOME/ of each user account
[14:36] <leftyfb> sohail-ahmed: That verymuch to me sounds like a not-ubuntu problem. MAYBE java versions, but I'm not sure.
[14:37] <zarzar> TJ-: ok, i guess i will just set up the system manually
[14:37] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: whom should i ask... the Java people say its a Ubuntu problem
[14:37] <leftyfb> sohail-ahmed: what is the java program for?
[14:37] <sohail-ahmed> its a software given by my broker
[14:37] <TJ-> zarzar: I can imagine you can capture the essentials into a tarball in around 10 lines of shell-script, and the same for recreating that on the taret
[14:38] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: ts a software given by my broker
[14:38] <leftyfb> sohail-ahmed: So maybe contact the support for that software? MAybe try different versions of java?
[14:38] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: all their support help is to install windows
[14:38] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: I've seen similar issues with launching .jnlp recently with openjdk. Tried debugging it but never got to the bottom of it, even using the raw appletviewer rather than the browser
[14:39] <sohail-ahmed> TJ-: its oracle i am using
[14:40] <sohail-ahmed> leftyfb: TJ- all alternatives are correctly set and i surfed web enough
[14:41] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: well, aside from the proprietary blobs, Oracle JDK is based on OpenJDK
[14:41] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: the problem is in the JNLP handling
[14:41] <sohail-ahmed> TJ-: what should i do
[14:42] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: cry ;)
[14:42] <akik> magz0r: don't why it's that big. it's equal to 2^64 - 2^24 - 1
[14:42] <sohail-ahmed> TJ-: thats what i am doing since morning
[14:42] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: it might be worth checking the upstream openjdk bug tracker for related issues and potential workarounds or fixes
[14:42] <magz0r> akik: That seems to be the default in 16.04 based on what I've found. 12.04 was *much* smaller.
[14:43] <magz0r> akik: I'm tracking down some oom-killer issues and am trying to determine if that is a possible cause or not.
[14:43] <TJ-> sohail-ahmed: did you try using older JRE versions in case it is a regression in the JRE?
[14:44] <akik> magz0r: for reference if you get a /64 ipv6 subnet, it's about the same amount of addresses (2^64)
[14:44] <sohail-ahmed> TJ-: the software requires lattest version and its checks the releases at the very beign
[14:44] <zarzar> TJ-: how so? i really don't know the essentials i need to capture, so it would be a long shot
[14:45] <magz0r> akik: Yep, looks like it sets in here: #define SHMMAX (ULONG_MAX - (1UL << 24)) /* max shared seg size (bytes) */
[14:46] <DWSR> Hey, how can I reload changes to /etc/network/interfaces on Server 16.04? I tried systemctl restart networking, but it has no effect./
[14:47] <leftyfb> DWSR: try sudo ifdown / ifup each interface
[14:48] <DWSR> leftyfb: Is sudo ifupdown still a thing?
[14:49] <TJ-> zarzar: this purely off the ends of my fingers, but something like: "debfoster --show-keepers > /tmp/keepers.list; tar -cvf /tmp/capture-state.tar.gz /var/lib/dpkg/arch /tmp/keepers.list /etc $HOME" then copy /tmp/capture-state.tar.gz to the target, extract, and then "sudo apt install $(cat /tmp/keepers.list)" - might need to extract to /tmp/captured/ first, do the apt install, *then* copy over the source
[14:49] <TJ-> /tmp/captured/etc and /tmp/capture/home/ on the target. Best to experiment in some test (LXD) containers
[14:49] <leftyfb> DWSR: What purpose would I have in suggesting something that doesn't exist?
[14:49] <DWSR> leftyfb: No, the binary `ifupdown`
[14:49] <DWSR> (or alias)
[14:49] <DWSR> which just cycled an interface
[14:49] <zarzar> TJ-: i would definitely botch that
[14:49] <TJ-> zarzar: :)
[14:51] <TJ-> zarzar: it's an interesting challenge but fortunately, unlike Windows, the system/user state is contained in well-defined locations (/etc/ and $HOME, plus some in /var/lib/)
[14:51] <DWSR> TJ-: Except when it's also contained in /usr/lib and /usr/local and a /opt and /var
[14:51] <DWSR> Because standards are great, but people (developers) suck at following them
[14:52] <leftyfb> DWSR: ifupdown is a package which includes ifup and ifdown
[14:52] <TJ-> DWSR: if there's state in /usr/lib or /opt something is wrong.
[14:53] <DWSR> TJ-: As I pointed out, people suck at following standards. The standards for user state in Windows are actually pretty well defined, just no one actually uses them
[14:53] <mitmf> what is difference between apt and apt-get?
[14:53] <DWSR> mitmf: Shorthand.
[14:53] <DWSR> apt install == apt-get install
[14:53] <mitmf> only shortand?
[14:53] <leftyfb> mitmf: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[14:53] <TJ-> mitmf: apt is the friendly user-facing tool; apt-get is for scripting
[14:54] <mitmf> oh thanks leftyfb TJ- and DWSR :)
[14:54] <TJ-> mitmf: in other words, the command-line options for apt, and its output format, may change. apt-get won't
[14:54] <mitmf> thanks :)
[14:58] <scatterp> hi i have installed gnome-flashback metacity and gnome and have successfully got to windows when i go to the menu but when i click on the links terminal or system etc nothing happens i think i failed to install something important ... i did have this working before i reinstalled
[14:59] <akik> scatterp: more punctuation needed
[14:59] <scatterp> akik sorry
[14:59] <akik> scatterp: for example what does "got to windows" mean?
[15:00] <scatterp> I am able to click inside the gui on the menu see the background etc
[15:00] <zarzar> does Systemback create an installable image, have an installable option?
[15:02] <akik> scatterp: what is your environment? did you try installing it for x2go?
[15:02] <scatterp> akik yes exactly ubuntu 16.04
[15:02] <akik> scatterp: does some other desktop environment work ok?
[15:03] <akik> scatterp: login to the server with ssh and read .xsession-errors*
[15:03] <scatterp> akik i did sudo apt-get install gnome-flashback metacity gnome python-software-properties software-properties-common
[15:04] <scatterp> akik after i installed x2go
[15:04] <scatterp> akik no other desktop enviroment is installed
[15:04] <scatterp> akik ok checking
[15:04] <akik> scatterp: could be also .xsession-x2go*
[15:05] <Aquza> I have a question. I had problems with my Adapter Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31). After i installed xubuntu 17.10 with the new Kernel my wifi problem was fixed. Now if i shutdown my laptop it takes 10 minutes +. Any ideas?
[15:06] <akik> scatterp: you wrote that you already had it working?
[15:06] <scatterp> yes not many errors there one moment
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> Aquza: did you try F1 at shutdown, to see relevant errors at wich point it hangs?
[15:07] <scatterp> you can see the contents of the error file here http://paste.ubuntu.com/25859326
[15:07] <Aquza> A stop job is running for network manager (17min)
[15:08] <akik> scatterp: can you press alt+f2 and get a run box?
[15:08] <scatterp> akik i installed xterm with sudo apt-get install xterm i can use that
[15:08] <scatterp> alt f2 brings up run application
[15:08] <akik> scatterp: how about gnome-terminal? does that run?
[15:09] <scatterp> nope
[15:09] <scatterp> it did output an error
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Aquza: what kind of problems did you have with wifi, and how did you solve exactly?
[15:10] <Aquza> with xubuntu 16.04.3 my wifi doesnt work i tried some stuff from the internet but no connection. So i installed the new kernel 4.13.Wifi problem was fixed i find networks. Now the shutdown time is around 15min
[15:11] <Aquza> Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31) my adapter
[15:12] <ioria> Aquza, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317   , check #9
[15:13] <scatterp> akik http://paste.ubuntu.com/25859363
[15:14] <skinux> I'm curious, does Ubuntu Software Center retrieve a JSON list of packages from the official repos, or maybe launchpad?
[15:14] <akik> scatterp: what session type did you select in x2go client?
[15:15] <akik> scatterp: i think you should select the script/program from the new packages you installed
[15:15] <ducasse> skinux: the package lists aren't json, and they're from the repos. for snaps the info is from a rest api.
[15:16] <fraktor> I was installing a package from an unofficial PPA, and it got interrupted. Now when I try to fix it, I keep getting messages about dpkg not being able to remove a particular file or directory that does not exist.
[15:18] <akik> scatterp: here's a page mentioning "locale-gen" and "localectl" https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180103
[15:18] <akik> scatterp: comment #15
[15:18] <oaulakh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25859400/
[15:18] <oaulakh> i dunno why pip virtualenv throwing this error in ubutnu http://paste.ubuntu.com/25859400/
[15:19] <nacc> oaulakh: it's what it says, do you have a maze of symlinks?
[15:20] <oaulakh> nacc, i'm not sure? any answer for this puzzle! :|
[15:20] <scatterp> akik custom session
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> fraktor: we dont support external ppa's here, contact the maintainer
[15:20] <fraktor> Nevermind. It wasn't an issue with the ppa, but with dpkg thinking it was installed when it wasn't.
[15:20] <xnite> anyone have any luck with the soundblaster z series audio cards?
[15:20] <fraktor> So I was able to fix it by modifying /var/lib/dpkg/status.
[15:20] <akik> scatterp: custom session and what?
[15:21] <nacc> oaulakh: i guess walk the path, and see where that python executable poits to
[15:21] <nacc> *points
[15:21] <Aquza> ioria: thank you so i have to wait now
[15:21] <ioria> Aquza, ok
[15:21] <Aquza> for next patch^^
[15:21] <oaulakh> nacc,  be as u wish to seem!
[15:22] <scatterp> akik usr/lib/gnome-flashback/gnome-flashback-metacity
[15:22] <nacc> oaulakh: what?
[15:22] <ioria> Aquza,  in the meanwhile you can try the mainline kernel
[15:22] <scatterp> akik so you are saying basiclly i have all of gnome installed its just not running due to bugs i am not missing a package specifically ?
[15:24] <akik> scatterp: read that page. it mentions that gnome-terminal error and what could be the fix
[15:24] <skinux> ducasse: Then the list must be a file that is on the repos.
[15:25] <akik> scatterp: comment #15 looks good
[15:26] <akik> scatterp: you could also try this command as the custom command "gnome-session --session=gnome-flashback-metacity"
[15:27] <Scoop7> is it common to configure swap files to gain more RAM at peak times ?
[15:27] <Scoop7> I mean there should be a catch
[15:28] <Scoop7> can anyone explain this a bit ?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> !swap | Scoop7
[15:29] <ducasse> skinux: it's a combination of the packages and release files, iirc. do you have a support question, or are you just curious?
[15:30] <scatterp> akik will try that now
[15:30] <Scoop7> lotuspsychje Ok so for running multiple headles chrome processes on my remote ubuntu 16.04 lts server, to setup swap files would be a logical thing to do , right ?
[15:32] <scatterp> akik that gave a black screen then it just terminated
[15:32] <akik> scatterp: ok test the locale thing then
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> Scoop7: check #ubuntu-server for what is reccomended for server please
[15:33] <nacc> Scoop7: if you are overcommitign your server, yes, setup your server for overcommit.
[15:35] <scatterp> akik ok will try that shortly i can not reboot for the moment as the servers in use by another user
[15:36]  * rahul-kumi says hi!
[15:36] <nacc> rahul-kumi: please don't do that in this channel.
[15:36] <rahul-kumi> nacc, oops.....sorry, my bad.
[15:38] <scatterp> akik ok its rebooting
[15:55] <scatterp> akik same error but i see the bug is not that i missed installing something thats whats important for me thanks
[15:56] <akik> scatterp: still doesn't work? i was wondering why it's started from /usr/lib and not from /usr/bin
[15:58] <scatterp> dunno thats where i found it
[15:59] <akik> scatterp: could you pastebin dpkg -L gnome-flashback and the other ones you installed?
[15:59] <scatterp> yeah
[16:00] <scatterp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25859672
[16:02] <akik> scatterp: try with /usr/bin/gnome-flashback
[16:03] <akik> scatterp: could you also make a screenshot when it's not working?
[16:08] <scatterp> akik i can give you x2go access if you like ?
[16:08] <scatterp> akik no such file or directory
[16:09] <scatterp> akik when its not working it just shows kinda loading status basiclly
[16:12] <maarhart> During upgrade I’m offered to cleanup files. If I choose not to delete them at that point, how can I do it afterwards?
[16:13] <pavlos> maarhart: sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:14] <ducasse> maarhart: possibly also 'sudo apt clean'
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> maarhart: you can also use bleachbit to clean up stuff more specificly if you like
[16:14] <maarhart> pavlos: so autoremove is the last step of ubuntu distribution upgrades?
[16:14] <akik> scatterp: never give access to internet nobodys :)
[16:15] <maarhart> I just need the installation to finish early so I can shutdown the computer as soon as possible and continue toy
[16:15] <akik> scatterp: your listing showed /usr/bin/gnome-flashback
[16:15] <maarhart> Tomorrow
[16:16] <ducasse> maarhart: it's just a matter of a few seconds
[16:19] <maarhart> ducasse: it’s not in this computer. Believe me
[16:20] <cristian_c> brainwash: you were right
[16:20] <scatterp> akik its just a server i wont die
[16:21] <akik> scatterp: you can login to the server with ssh and kill the session there
[16:22] <pavlos> maarhart: it could take 5 min but not more than that
[16:22] <akik> scatterp: x2golistsessions and x2goterminate-session
[16:23] <maarhart> Is there a combination of keys to turn the display off?
[16:23] <maarhart> Like Mac OS has
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> maarhart: https://askubuntu.com/questions/398059/is-there-any-way-to-make-a-hotkey-turn-the-screen-off
[16:30] <maarhart> xset dpms force off turns off until you hit a keystroke?
[16:30] <_ppp> hi is there like a nice tool that records a video and converts it to imgur as a gif?
[16:33] <bloop> how come nvidia-current makes my mouse not click for a while
[16:34] <ducasse> maarhart: which ubuntu are you on?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> bloop: nvidia-current is not the way to go anymore
[16:34] <bloop> ubuntu 17.10
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> bloop: ubuntu-drivers list
[16:34] <bloop> I'm thinking about downgrading because this distro seems to be a fragile piece of crap
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> bloop: please keep it familly friendly in this channel
[16:35] <bloop> a fragile piece of junk
[16:35] <leftist> Anyone using an intellistick ?
[16:35] <bloop> I'll try this driver
[16:36] <leftist> Anyone running wine on an intellistick?
[16:36] <ducasse> leftist: better just ask your real question
[16:37] <leftist> I'm wondering if the environment on an intellistick with 14.04 can run wine?
[16:39] <the[void]> hey guys, I just put a fresh install of 17.10 on and im loving it thus far.  I also run ethminer on this box,  is there a simple way to start ethminer on boot?  (I assume I need to run it in screen)
[16:45] <rory> yeah just the command "screen ethminer" in your user's crontab (edit with crontab -e"
[16:45] <rory> like this
[16:45] <rory> @reboot screen ethminer
[16:46] <the[void]> would that only run if I log in?
[16:46] <rory> yes
[16:46] <EriC^^> no
[16:47] <the[void]> is there a simple way to have it run @boot without a user logging in?
[16:47] <EriC^^> it'll run even if he doesn't log in
[16:47] <rory> are you sure?
[16:47] <EriC^^> i think you can't run screen from crontab though, it doesn't have a terminal to attach to
[16:47] <rory> GOOD point
[16:47] <EriC^^> needs some other tweaking or something, i forget
[16:47] <ducasse> rory: setup a systemd user service
[16:48] <EriC^^> the[void]: do you have a gui running or just server?
[16:48] <rory> like this https://github.com/ProjectEntropy/EthereumSystemd/blob/master/eth-miner.service
[16:48] <the[void]> there is a gui running
[16:49] <the[void]> but 99.999% of all access to this box is via ssh
[16:51] <EriC^^> the[void]: you could have your user autologin, and use a startup in ~/.config/autostart/ethminer.desktop to start a gui terminal with screen and ethminer
[16:51] <EriC^^> you;ll be able to attach to it via ssh with screen -xr i think
[16:51] <EriC^^> and when you're next to it you can just see the output and have more control and what's going on with it
[16:52] <alkisg> screen is designed to run without an active tty/gui/terminal
[16:54] <alkisg> eth-miner needs a screen, or does it offer a web interface? What's the "-F http://127.0.0.1:8080/NAMEOFTHISRIG" parameter for?
[16:55] <akik> you can start screen so that it detaches itself on startup
[16:58] <lyze> Hello! I'm searching for a ubuntu mini like iso but for uefi where I can setup everything on my own (wm, ...) without needing to purge lots of packages. Is there anything like that available?
[16:59] <ducasse> lyze: the lubuntu alternate or server
[17:01] <bloop> I installed nvidia-304 (which I think is just current)
[17:01] <bloop> nvidia 340 froze my system constantly
[17:01] <bloop> nvidia 304 now makes it so i cannot click on the dash
[17:01] <bloop> it starts up and the mouse can move around but it cannot click
[17:02] <bloop> if I use the keyboard to open chrome I can click around and it works but i still cannot click on the dash
[17:02] <ycyclist> Is Ubuntu going with the new openssl soon?  Apparently debian9 has it.
[17:03] <nacc> ycyclist: in which version of ubuntu?
[17:05] <ycyclist> Just as a default install?
[17:06] <nacc> ycyclist: in which *version* of Ubuntu?
[17:11] <ycyclist> 17 or 16 LTS?
[17:11] <nacc> ycyclist: there is no "17 LTS". 16.04 will not get an openssl update.
[17:11] <nacc> !latest | ycyclist
[17:11] <nacc> ycyclist: and that's especially true in an LTS release.
[17:14] <ycyclist> Ok.  So it will not be until 18.04 that 1.1 comes in then?
[17:15] <Guma> I am working on small project of my and I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for doing what I wan to do. I have a SSD drive that I want to install 16.04 on. The issue is that my system might loose power anytime. To prevent corruptions what is the best best way to partition my drive and mark it as read only except one partition where I can write data that is generated
[17:15] <nacc> ycyclist: at the earliest, given it didn't happen in 17.10.
[17:16] <ycyclist> Thank you.
[17:16] <Guma> If this is possible how would you go about updating such partitions if they are in read only mode
[17:17] <the[void]> EriC^^ Thats an idea.
[17:18] <alkisg> Guma: you could use a tmpfs+overlayfs to make the system in "read only" mode, and this could take effect when a certain kernel parameter is passed
[17:18] <alkisg> Guma: so, with the grub menu, you could select "read/write mode" or "read only mode"
[17:19] <alkisg> Guma: to implement that tmpfs+overlayfs in initramfs though, you'd need some development skills...
[17:20] <TJ-> !info overlayroot | alkisg: Guma it's easy!
[17:21] <alkisg> TJ-: does it take care to disable apt updates etc, things that shouldn't be ran in ram-only mode?
[17:22] <alkisg> (ty btw, didn't know that one...)
[17:23] <TJ-> alkisg: Guma it can use several different upperdir overlay solutions, from transient tmpfs to permanent block devices. Merging changes would require additional (initrd) hooks I guess. It's intended mainly for maintaining pristine container images
[17:23] <FMan1988> I wish to change the name of a user - was there a usermod script or similar to help in that?
[17:23] <the[void]> EriC^^ Thats might actually just be the best approach for this issue
[17:24] <EriC^^> the[void]: personally i'd run windows for a miner, i didn't have much luck with ubuntu
[17:24] <arup_r> How can I remove the symlink I just added like sudo ln -s /usr/bin/wkhtmltopdf.sh /usr/local/bin/wkhtmltopdf ?
[17:24] <the[void]> EriC^^  i have the iner working fine, I just was unsure of how to start it up
[17:24] <EriC^^> the[void]: did you download the kernel for the blockchain so the dag is fixed? and did it run right?
[17:25] <EriC^^> i think it's called the rotc kernel or something
[17:25] <alkisg> FMan1988: yes, usermod --login, man usermod for details
[17:25] <nacc> arup_r: sudo rm /usr/local/bin/wkhtmltopdf
[17:25] <the[void]> EriC^^ no i dindt,  just downloaded ethminer from the repo and compiled it,  tested it with my pool and it worked ok
[17:26] <arup_r> nacc: ok let me try
[17:26] <nacc> arup_r: not exactly sure why you are asking the question. Removig a symlink is like removig any regular file
[17:26] <EriC^^> the[void]: the hash rate will be lower since a while, amd released a blockchain specific driver for windows, and linux has a blockchain specific kernel, you need it or the hash rate will be lower
[17:26] <FMan1988> thanks, alkisg, I recall I will still have to manually rename the home directory
[17:27] <EriC^^> the[void]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg21305411#msg21305411
[17:27] <alkisg> FMan1988: you need --home and --move-home for automatic home move
[17:28] <FMan1988> ah
[17:28] <the[void]> not sur ethis would apply to me, as the cards in this box are Nvida / cuda based
[17:28] <EriC^^> the[void]: oh
[17:29] <the[void]> any idea what i would search up to find examples of the script you were talking about?
[17:32] <EriC^^> the[void]: this should work, use the full path for the miner startfile http://paste.ubuntu.com/25860109/
[17:32] <EriC^^> the[void]: call it ~/.config/autostart/ethminer.desktop and then chmod +x the file
[17:32] <the[void]> ty sir
[17:32] <EriC^^> np
[17:34] <EriC^^> the[void]: the electricity here isn't so stable, and the ups couldn't handle the miner, so i had used sysrq-trigger to make it sync and then remount ro, so power off's weren't a big deal anymore, in case that helps
[17:35] <the[void]> gonna sound like a noob here.  but startethminer.bash  needs to be replaced correct?
[17:35] <EriC^^> the[void]: yeah, replace it with /home/user/ethminer.bash    the file you use to start it usually
[17:36] <EriC^^> or the command you use
[17:37] <the[void]> i usually start it  with /home/nas/ethminer/ethminer -every -swtich -and option -i need
[17:37] <the[void]> i assume i should not?
[17:37] <the[void]> or should i add ethminer to the system path?
[17:38] <EriC^^> yeah, use /home/nas/ethminer/ethminer -every -swtich -and option -i need
[17:39] <EriC^^> the[void]: to make things easier you could create a /home/nas/startethminer  and put #!/bin/bash and the command you use
[17:39] <the[void]> ok will this also work with a program that is run with  filename.sh?   (eg.  screen /home/nas/HDDminer/run.sh)
[17:39] <EriC^^> the[void]: yeah
[17:40] <the[void]> ok perfect.  tyvm
[17:40] <EriC^^> np
[17:44] <xpkill24> Cannot join #ubuntu.de (Channel is invite only) m
[17:44] <utnapistimm> Hello! I have 14.04 and I updated recently a lot of packages related with nvidia controllers. because of that the unity session was unacesible and gnome-shell sesion (or the name is called) was buggy
[17:45] <oerheks> xpkill24, seems like it is not.
[17:45] <utnapistimm> I added a ppa of nvidia settings. I updated all things again and now I can access to the desktop if I put "startx"
[17:45] <xpkill24> understand do you speak german
[17:45] <utnapistimm> but, the session stars without unity. so I need to manually do unity
[17:46] <utnapistimm> what is the recommended proceed regarding nvidia graphic controllers?
[17:46] <utnapistimm> I have the nvidia-340
[17:47] <utnapistimm> is better to have noveau?
[17:49] <sysRPL> hello
[17:50] <utnapistimm> Another issue. How I can change the scrollbar bars to not being floating ones?
[17:50] <xpkill24> op in ubuntu.de where is this banned me understand why
[17:51] <sysRPL> i have two computers both with amd chips and nvidia graphics. both of them fail to sleep/resume properly. when they sleep they actually turn off. when i press the power button on the case to turn them on, after a few seconds i get a blank screen. can someone please help me? i've search google and basically think there's no single answer
[17:51] <Jordan_U> xpkill24: Please ask about #ubuntu-de bans in #ubuntu-de-ops.
[17:51] <the[void]> hey EriC^^ quick question... if these are going to run in a terminal screen,  i dont really need screen running do i?
[17:51] <xpkill24> thank you
[17:52] <sysRPL> one pc has ubuntu 16.04, the other has ubuntu mate 17.04
[17:52] <Jordan_U> xpkill24: You're welcome.
[17:53] <xpkill24> thank you banned me understand why i tell answer puestion banned
[17:53] <EriC^^> the[void]: no you need screen to be able to ssh to it and see the terminal
[17:53] <xpkill24> no fair play in this channel
[17:54] <the[void]> EriC^^ ahh yes..  durr,.
[17:55] <xpkill24> ##unavailable :Cannot send to channel
[17:56] <oerheks> xpkill24, join #ubuntu-de-ops , we cannot do anything about bans
[17:58] <zombiefox> yes, hello, we spell our channel without that trailing s, and I already explained to him in query.
[18:00] <oerheks> zombiefox, thank you, that might help
[18:00] <zombiefox> it won't
[18:00] <zombiefox> but you're welcome
[18:01] <k1l> Hunternought: bitte diese hier lesen und befolgen: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LocoTeam/IRC/     #ubuntu hat nichts mit dem ban von dir in #ubuntu-de zu tun.
[18:02] <Hunternought> war* # ##unavailable :Forwarding to another channel
[18:02] <Hunternought> * You are now known as hunternought
[18:02] <Hunternought> * Cannot join #ubuntu.de (Channel is invite only)
[18:02] <Hunternought> der time warp da neben an auch nicht oder zombiefox
[18:02] <k1l> Hunternought: lies bitte die wiki seite des deutschen ubuntu irc team. es beschreibt die regeln und was zu tun ist. hier kommst du so nicht weiter.
[18:03] <xpkill24> was ist das problem erklarst genau
[18:05] <k1l> xpkill24: letztes mal: hier kommst du so nicht weiter. lies die regeln, die sagen dir wie du den ban wieder los wirst.
[18:05] <xpkill24> ist bestimmt nicht fair oder
[18:05] <o_a> Hello, all. How do I set ksshaskpass to ask for my password when I log into ssh?
[18:05] <o_a> I tried setting SSH_ASKPASS but it didn't work
[18:05] <o_a> I'm running Kubuntu 17.10
[18:08] <leftyfb> o_a: I'm not familiar with ksshaskpass at all, but maybe there's another solution we can figure out? What are you using ksshaskpass for exactly?
[18:09] <FMan1988> I installed dovecot and it is running, but it does not seem to work
[18:09] <leftyfb> FMan1988: what do your log say?
[18:09] <FMan1988> I cannot find any logs
[18:10] <utnapistimm> I tried to remove the overlay bars but it resulting in apps not starting
[18:10] <FMan1988> Windows email client cannot connect
[18:10] <leftyfb> FMan1988: /var/log/mail.log /var/log/mail.err
[18:10] <leftyfb> FMan1988: in that case, also look in /var/log/auth.log
[18:10] <FMan1988> there was nothing in any of those 3 :P
[18:10] <FMan1988> I wonder if it even actually tried to connect
[18:11] <leftyfb> FMan1988: test locally first
[18:11] <leftyfb> FMan1988: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot#Test
[18:14] <FMan1988> the server seems to work, I found "dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts in 0 secs): user=<>", when I did an online port scan
[18:14] <the[void]> hey EriC^^ am i correct in thinking that now im auto logging in,  i can crontab -e @reboot "mono --debug /opt/NzbDrone/NzbDrone.exe"
[18:15] <EriC^^> the[void]: crontab stuff runs even if you don't login i believe, also it doesn't have access to your gui by default export DISPLAY=:0 might work, why dont you make another startup .desktop file for it instead though?
[18:17] <o_a> leftyfb: I want to use it to enter my password when running ssh
[18:17] <o_a> Instead of typing it into the terminal
[18:18] <FMan1988> I suppose dovecot should work out of the box, so it is a client side problem
[18:18] <leftyfb> o_a: I'm not familiar with that. What is the purpose/utility of popping up ksshaskpass to ask for a password as opposed to typing it into the terminal?
[18:18] <leftyfb> FMan1988: you should test locally using the link I gave above and look through logs
[18:21] <Zaplo> i installed xpra from official 16.04 repo, and it borked my xserver-xorg-hwe and some other packages. Sure they were simple to reinstall, but i wouldn't have expected LTS repo to have untested packages
[18:23] <ShutterBC> Question: how can I reinstall xinput drivers? Somehow my TrackPoint isn't loading (nor external mouse) and in Xorg.0.log I see "No input driver specified, ignoring this device" and "This device may have been added with another device file."
[18:25] <Amm0n> s
[18:27] <the[void]> EriC^^i dont believe that needs a display to run,  its essentially a webserver
[18:27] <nacc> Zaplo: what happened specifically? did you file a bug?
[18:29] <Zaplo> nacc: freshly installed ubuntu mate 16.04, fully updated. Only packages i installed are amdgpu-pro 17.40 and hexchat. then i ran "sudo apt install xpra", bam mate and xorg packages get uninstalled
[18:29] <o_a> leftyfb: you only need to type it once per session
[18:30] <o_a> You can't do that with the regular ssh password prompt
[18:30] <Zaplo> didn't file bug
[18:30] <alkisg> o_a: I'm not using KDE, but ssh-agent is supposed to be running to remember the pass, is it?
[18:30] <leftyfb> o_a: or you could use ssh keys, even with a passphrase and only ever have to type it in once. Or don't give your ssh key a passphrase and never have to type it in ever
[18:30] <alkisg> It handles SSH_ASKPASS then by itself
[18:31] <leftyfb> alkisg: ssh-agent will not cache regular ssh passwords. Only your ssh key passphrase.
[18:32] <Zaplo> nacc: pretty sure it was enough to reinstall ubuntu-mate-desktop, ubuntu-mate-core and xserver-xorg-hwe but i did reinstall amd drivers too just in case
[18:32] <nacc> Zaplo: well, you would have had to say yes to that removal, apt does't remove packages without confirmation, by default.
[18:33] <Zaplo> nacc: don't know. i was new to apt and thought it was normal :/. i come from other distro
[18:33] <alkisg> leftyfb: you're right
[18:34] <alkisg> (ty)
[18:34] <leftyfb> o_a: is there a reason you do not want to use an ssh key (always preferred method)
[18:34] <Zaplo> after all why would installing some package suddenly remove your whole desktop? never happened using pacman
[18:35] <FMan1988> thanks, I tried to telnet and dovecot responds to the LOGIN command with "-ERR Unknown command."
[18:36] <jer> i'm on 17.10 and the slack desktop app core dumps each time i try and run it; ldd shows not found for a couple of libraries that are within /usr/lib along side other libraries it can find. anyone else had similar problems?
[18:37] <jer> err correction, reinstall fixed the not able to find libs problem; but still core dumps
[18:37] <nacc> Zaplo: my guess is xpra is oly meant to be used with the stock x server, it's dependencies are listed as xserver-xorg-input-void, xserver-xorg-video-dummy, rather than alos allowing the hwe packages
[18:37] <ioria> Zaplo, conflicts , maybe
[18:37] <nacc> Zaplo: as i said, file a bug, probably
[18:37] <nacc> jer: the ubuntu package?
[18:38] <jer> nacc, yeah
[18:38] <nacc> jer: i mean, is it an ubuntu package?
[18:38] <nacc> jer: what's the package name?
[18:39] <Zaplo> nacc: looks like someone already did it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xpra/+bug/1691025
[18:39] <jer> nacc, https://slack.com/downloads/instructions/ubuntu <-- the ubuntu 64-bit version linked there
[18:39] <jer> it's a .deb, not an apt repo or ppa
[18:39] <nacc> jer: you should ask slack
[18:39] <nacc> jer: that's not an ubuntu package, that's a pacakge for ubuntu (semantically rather different)
[18:39] <ioria> Zaplo, apt-cache depends xserver-xorg-video-dummy-lts-xenial
[18:39] <jer> nacc, yes i should, figured i'd ask here first if others have had this problme to see if there was some known issue before wasting 4 days trying to get a response from them =]
[18:39] <nacc> Zaplo: yep
[18:40] <nacc> Zaplo: it's in universe, so community maintained, perhaps no one cares eough to fix it
[18:45] <prestorium> hi. I'm trying to backport a package to 16.04 LTS (hitch, FWIW), but it fails because missing dependency: debhelper. If I try to backport it, I see a lot of dependencies. Trying to backport the first dependency (po4a) yields even more dependencies.
[18:46] <prestorium> I'm using backportpackage -b -w . -r -s zesty hitch . What am I doing wrong?
[18:48] <nacc> prestorium: that's probably not a question for this channel
[18:48] <prestorium> nacc ok. :) Where should I go? :)
[18:48] <magic_1> hi all
[18:49] <nacc> prestorium: probably #ubuntu-packaging? i'm not sure where the right place to ask is.
[18:49] <prestorium> thanks nacc
[18:49] <nacc> prestorium: it's a versioned depedency issue
[18:49] <mattcode> Can I mark a package as configured manually with dpkg?
[18:50] <nacc> prestorium: you won't be able to do a straightforward source backport, why do you need the newer hitch in 16.04?
[18:51] <nacc> prestorium: (or have your ppa depend on xenial-backports and it should work)
[18:51] <magic_1> hope everyone is doing well, been searching the net, but if anyone can point me in the right direction, this morning I shut down my laptop today and switching of my external drive. This afternoon I switched everything back on, however now, my external shows up in nautilus, however it gives me an error when trying to access it. exited with non-zero with non-zero exit status 1 and stderr invalid VBR checksum
[18:52] <FMan1988> I followed the instructions on the community wiki page for Dovecot and it does not work
[18:52] <prestorium> nacc the newer version has the features I need.
[18:52] <magic_1> any help would be greatly appreciated
[18:52] <prestorium> nacc how can I make my ppa depend on xenial-backports? Total noob here :(
[18:52] <FMan1988> I tried to configure it to use SSL and I get "Unknown setting: ssl_cert_file"
[18:53] <nacc> prestorium: a total noob shoudn't be bakcporting packages for themselves :)
[18:53] <nacc> prestorium: ppa -> edit dependencies
[18:53] <prestorium> nacc noob on packaging, that is :P
[18:53] <nacc> prestorium: right, which is ... what you're backportinng
[18:53] <nacc> prestorium: again, doesn't seem like a good choice
[18:55] <nacc> prestorium: but that should get you goinng :)
[18:57] <the[void]> EriC^^  after all that,  auto login inst working (seems to be a known bug) in 17.10 with the closed Nvidia drivers
[18:58] <magic_1> also getting failed to start usb_modeswitch
[18:58] <EriC^^> the[void]: what's the bug number?
[19:10] <FMan1988> I cannot configure the account on Windows Mail, so I give up for now - I'll try with Thunderbird on Ubuntu in November ;)
[19:13] <pankaj_> I have some basic understanding of emacs but I do not know how to do any thing other then text editing. Can anybody guide through doing everything while remaining in emacs.
[19:13] <magic_1> seem to have gotten it sorted out
[19:14] <nacc> pankaj_: that's nont really a question for the ubuntu support channel
[19:14] <nacc> pankaj_: i'm sure there is an emacs irc channel
[19:14] <nacc> pankaj_: or even just some googling for emacs tutorial or something
[19:19] <SchrodingersScat> pankaj_: that would take all day because emacs does everything.
[19:19] <the[void]> EriC^^ not sure there is,  but here is one of a few of the posts about it:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372948
[19:19] <pankaj_> SchrodingersScat: Just to get started guide.
[19:19] <xpkill24> cannot jin ubuntu.de
[19:30] <jmc675> can someone possibly help me with dual booting? I have both ubuntu and windows installed and recently after running boot-repair i'm no longer able to boot into windows
[19:31] <studentloans> xpkill24: You have been repeatedly told by #ubuntu-de ops how to handle this. Further posting in Ubuntu core channels about this issue will result in your removal.
[19:31] <jmc675> would appreciate any assistance
[19:31] <prestorium> nacc thanks!! setting my PPA to depend on xenial-backports solved the build issue :)
[19:31] <nacc> prestorium: np :)
[19:37] <alkisg> jmc675: it sounds like grub does load the windows boot loader, and then windows can't load. That is a windows issue, not an #ubuntu one...
[19:37] <alkisg> jmc675: try the windows cd, and select "repair boot problems"
[19:41] <FMan1988> can someone tell me the meaning of ssl-cert-snakeoil?
[19:43] <leftyfb> FMan1988: when I typed "ssl-cert-snakeoil" into google, the first link that popped up was entitled "What is the purpose of the ssl-cert-snakeoil.key - Ask Ubuntu".  That link is https://askubuntu.com/questions/396120/what-is-the-purpose-of-the-ssl-cert-snakeoil-key
[19:43] <studentloans> it's a self-signed SSL cert created during installation of the ssl-cert package and used as a default/fallback cert for services that require SSL
[19:43] <studentloans> it should not be used in production.
[19:44] <xpkill24> /help
[19:45] <leftyfb> xpkill24: what can we help you with?
[19:45] <oerheks> xpkill24, you have been told where to go for your ban, please stop now.
[19:46] <FMan1988> the community wiki said those files are created by dovecot
[19:47] <hutch> Hi. this isn't an ubuntu related question really but where do I find the SASL setting in hexchat?
[19:47] <xpkill24> super
[19:47] <studentloans> hutch: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat
[19:47] <hutch> thanks studentloans
[19:47] <studentloans> hutch: (#hexchat or #freenode (assuming you're asking for logging in to this network) for further help)
[19:47] <studentloans> np
[19:48] <hutch> yes I just want to setup SASL on hexchat for this channel
[19:49] <tomreyn> it's a network (not channel) specific configuration
[19:51] <hutch> thanks tomreyn I see it now in the server edit place
[20:02] <bloop> is ubuntu serious with this snappy and ubuntuone required login stuff?
[20:02] <bloop> do you want to lose users? because that's how you lose users.
[20:03] <oerheks> bloop, you don't need to login to use snaps, does it?
[20:03] <nacc> bloop: this is the support channel
[20:04] <bloop> oerheks, I tried to download an app ubuntuone popped up telling me I have to login
[20:04] <nacc> oerheks: i believe snapd has to authenticate to the store
[20:05] <nacc> bloop: don't use snaps if you don't want that.
[20:05] <bloop> the only keepass apps available in the software center are snaps
[20:05] <bloop> i had to go get the deb from the site
[20:05] <nacc> !info keepass2
[20:05] <oerheks> manually does not require a password, AFAIK
[20:06] <nacc> !info keepassx
[20:06] <bloop> or rather use synaptic
[20:06] <bloop> which I did
[20:06] <bloop> apt-get it
[20:06] <nacc> bloop: dunno what you mean
[20:11] <NginUS> Anyone know how I can force a new kernel to sign a key when it says MOK.der is already enrolled
[20:12] <NginUS> I dont even know if I said that right.
[20:12] <NginUS> Trying this: https://stegard.net/2016/10/virtualbox-secure-boot-ubuntu-fail/ A second time with a new kernel now
[20:14] <dserodio> Every time I plug my headset into my notebook's audio connector, Unity asks me what kind of device I plugged in. How can I make it assume it's a headset without asking me everytime?
[20:17] <Aelius> jmc675 first order of business, verify that we are on uefi. if you are on uefi, ignore literally everything anyone told you
[20:18] <jmc675> okay let's verify that
[20:18] <Aelius> if someone here could tell jmc675 the ubuntu way of detecting if he has uefi (and gpt)
[20:19] <ioria> [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[20:19] <jmc675> thank you
[20:19] <jmc675> ioria
[20:19] <jmc675> yes, its UEFI
[20:20] <Aelius> ok, so let's just assume Windows is also installed with uefi
[20:20] <Aelius> install efibootmgr in ubuntu
[20:20] <jmc675> alright
[20:21] <jmc675> already the newest version
[20:21] <Aelius> What this is going to do is allow you to select which OS you want to reboot into. thereby bypassing any need for chainloading one bootloader
[20:21] <alkisg> Aelius: grub loads the windows bootloader which shows bitlocker screen. It's not an ubuntu/grub issue.
[20:22] <alkisg> I told jmc675 that he needs to load the windows cd to repair boot issues, but he won't liste
[20:22] <oerheks> why can't you boot in windows after grub repair? no more windows in the grub menu?
[20:23] <Aelius> alright, well I might as well finish explaining efibootmgr
[20:23] <alkisg> He already ran boot-repair, btw
[20:23] <oerheks> windows .. bitlocker.. uh oh
[20:23] <jmc675> yeah running boot-repair is what caused me to not be able to boot into windows anymore
[20:24] <Aelius> jmc675 just run "efibootmgr" and it should print a list of entries. One of them should be Windows
[20:24] <Aelius> look for the 4 digit number bext to Windows
[20:24] <Aelius> then using the number in place of 1234: sudo efibootmgr -n 1234
[20:25] <oerheks> Bitlocker doesn't support dual-boot systems, AFAIK
[20:25] <Digit> thnx Aelius.  that showed me i'm accidentally still in here.
[20:25] <alkisg> Haha, nice nick, Digit :D
[20:26] <jmc675> okay
[20:26] <Aelius> this tells your motherboard: for /only/ the next reboot, boot into Windows. memorize that command, use it to access Windows on demand, rather than choosing from bootloader
[20:26] <Aelius> then I guess bitlocker issues are a Windows problem. Hope you have a recovery key saved
[20:28] <Aelius> I cant imagine bitlocker would break using the efibootmgr method
[20:30] <jmc675> alright ill try.
[20:35] <rud0lf> when i disable "quiet" or "silent" (not sure, but it doesn't matter), it shows quite complex log at startup.. among the lines it says "failed to load kernel module, see systemctl.." but it scrolls to fast for me to read.. is this startup log dump to disk somewhere?
[20:36] <rud0lf> i don't think it's dmesg because i didn't find this phrase there
[20:36] <bray90820_> Is there a way I could run a smart test on an entire logical volume?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> rud0lf: ' journalctl -b -0 ' frim terminal shows messages from the current boot.
[20:38] <rud0lf> thank you kindly :)
[20:50] <shazbotmcnasty> Hey guys I'm having issues getting PXE to work on my ubuntu machine.
[20:50] <alkisg> What issues?
[20:50] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm getting TFTP open timeout on the client machines
[20:50] <alkisg> Are you using some framework like ltsp?
[20:50] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm not having any issues getting the unfionly.kpxe file from other machines though from within the OS.
[20:51] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm using FOG
[20:51] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: is the BOOTP/DHCP server handing out the correct IP address for them?
[20:52] <shazbotmcnasty> I think so? The pxe server unfortunately cannot be the DHCP server, but the DHCP server has been set up with the correct (i think) options
[20:52] <shazbotmcnasty> the pxe server is 172.16.5.123, and the client pulled 172.16.5.127
[20:52] <shazbotmcnasty> and it found the TFTP server, but got "TFTP open timeout" error when trying to pull the undionly.kpxe file
[20:53] <alkisg> shazbotmcnasty: in ipxe, type "dhcp net0",then "config", and see the next-server ip
[20:53] <alkisg> Also, I assume that fog is using tftpd-hpa? Enable --verbose in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, and check if the server actually receives the tftp get request
[20:54] <shazbotmcnasty> Ok. Fog does use tftpd.hpa - i'll do that first, how would one get to ipxe? Sorry...
[20:54] <alkisg> boot.ipxe.org has images, cd, usb, floppy...
[20:54] <alkisg> You boot some client from an ipxe image, as it helps troubleshooting
[20:55] <alkisg> Instead of relying on tcpdump messages, you get a nice dialog with all the parameters
[20:59] <TJ-> for testing, a basic Qemu/KVM VM with no file-system on a bridged network can be used to test PXE boot, as long as ipxe-qemu is installed
[21:01] <andywork> where can I find a comprehensive log of everything that has changed from Ubuntu 17.04 to 17.10?
[21:01] <Ben64> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes
[21:04] <the[void]> l
[21:04] <shazbotmcnasty> alkisg: once I've added the --verbose option to the "TFTP_OPTIONS=" line in tftpd-hpa file, I've restarted the service, and attempted to boot from it again
[21:04] <shazbotmcnasty> then ran 'service tftp-hpa status', and it doesn't seem to have logged anything attempting to contact it
[21:04] <alkisg> shazbotmcnasty: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[21:05] <alkisg> then try to manually `tftp get -m binary etc etc` from some pc, to verify it's logging properly
[21:05] <alkisg> if you can see the log from a booted client manually running tftp, and you don't see it from pxe, then next-server is probably wrong. you can verify it with ipxe.
[21:07] <alkisg> https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Unable_to_connect_to_TFTP#Testing_TFTP
[21:08] <shazbotmcnasty> Yeah seems like it worked - it logged "RRQ from IP.Addres.. file undionly.kpxe
[21:08] <shazbotmcnasty> and i received it
[21:08] <andywork> Ben64 thanks man
[21:08] <alkisg> From the pxe client?
[21:09] <shazbotmcnasty> no from TFTP on windows
[21:09] <alkisg> OK, now try the pxe client and see if it logs a message
[21:10] <shazbotmcnasty> no, it logged PHP session stuff, seemingly unrelated
[21:10] <alkisg> Yeah that's from cron tasks
[21:10] <alkisg> So, your dhcpd is still misconfigured
[21:10] <alkisg> It probably doesn't send next-server
[21:12] <shazbotmcnasty> okay, so that would be on my DHCP server right, which is my router, not the pxe server
[21:12] <shazbotmcnasty> that's option 66, right?
[21:16] <Guma> I have two workspaces setup. Is there a easy way to auto start two applications to each to specific workspace?
[21:16]  * alkisg never uses numbers, they're harder to remember than names like "next-server" :)
[21:20] <shazbotmcnasty> yeah it's option 66 - which i think i've set up right, i mean idk what else it should be other than the hostname or IP as instructed in the kb
[21:24] <alkisg> shazbotmcnasty: test with ipxe
[21:29] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: is the 'filename' spelled correctly in the DHCPd options? that'd explain the "open" failure. if the "next-server" were wrong you'd be a failed-to-connect message
[21:30] <TJ-> s/be a/be seeing a/
[21:38] <shazbotmcnasty> alkisg, TJ-, so apparently it's because the router I'm using is dumb with the next-server options and you can't use the DHCP options like normal and have to send a secret command
[21:38] <shazbotmcnasty> got it goin
[21:39] <shazbotmcnasty> Now I just have to figure out how the hell to add images to the server lol
[21:42] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: not dd-wrt is it? I recall some years ago now that the published dnsmasq for option 66 wouldn't work, and it was because you had to put it in the DNS configuration, not DHCP, for it to work :s
[21:46] <shazbotmcnasty> TJ-: no it's a mikrotik
[21:47] <shazbotmcnasty> our whole company uses mikrotiks
[21:51] <nullbyte_> who is online
[21:51] <nullbyte_> helper
[21:52] <nacc> nullbyte_: just ask your question, if you have an ubuntu support question.
[21:52] <nullbyte_> does ubuntu 17.10 supports uefi grub bios support adding it to hard drive after installation?
[21:52] <nullbyte_> or i need legacy boot in bios
[21:53] <oerheks> yes, see the uefi manual
[21:53] <oerheks> !uefi
[21:57] <TJ-> I think nullbyte wanted to install grub-efi after installing with grub-pc.
[22:20] <dStruct> does anyone know if the hard locking issues related to colord freezing or preventing a resume from blank screen, have been resolved in an upstream release version?  I am still running 16.04.1
[22:22] <dStruct> I found multiple bug entries for colord and also CUPS related stuff, but it was difficult to tell if anything had actually been resolved.  This system is an offline system and I wasn't planning on upgrading it really, but I guess I'll have to
[22:25] <kostkon> dStruct, any launchpad bug urls to go along with your description?
[22:26] <dStruct> kostkon: let me grab it
[22:26] <dStruct> kostkon: this is essentially what I have going on https://askubuntu.com/questions/836879/ubuntu-16-04-with-kde-frozen-after-being-locked
[22:27] <AlexCDev> open ended question: Is gnome3 a little slower for anyone else compared to unity? Just installed, not sure if it's something system related or just gnome
[22:27] <dStruct> kostkon: I get a syslog entry for Starting CUPS scheduler, then an entry for colord and the PC will stop cycling, not answering interrupts
[22:27] <dStruct> AlexCDev: personally I thought Unity felt a little more sluggish, I love the new interface
[22:28] <AlexCDev> I like the look
[22:28] <dStruct> kostkon: I should also point out my hardware is not like the link I shared, I'm running a Dell Inspiron 3646 (total garbage of a PC)
[22:29] <AlexCDev> dStruct, is there a short pause before the alt tab menu appears for you? (when pressing alt tab)
[22:30] <dStruct> AlexCDev: on Unity not really for Alt, but the Windows key does have a delay to it, and I don't have a box running the new Gnome UI in front of me to compare that to
[22:31] <kostkon> dStruct, can colord really cause hard locks? I doubt it. Cups seems irellevant. So your problems are most likely related to your graphics card and the driver used for it
[22:31] <dStruct> kostkon: it's an extremely basic system, no graphics drivers, no hardware accel, 4gb of ram, a ughhh Intel Celeron J1800 (not kidding)
[22:32] <riotz> how can i get those new supported gnome gestures working on 17.10 -> https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Gestures ?
[22:32] <dStruct> kostkon: I get no other debug/warnings/entries, etc in syslog or anywhere else, the system just locks up, sometimes multiple times a day, other times it'll run for a month just idling
[22:33] <kostkon> dStruct, could be anything to be honest
[22:33] <dStruct> kostkon: sleeping is disabled, however only when the screen goes blank and I try to wake it up that's exactly when it will lock
[22:33] <akik> dStruct: 16.04 kubuntu works fine here (acer i3 laptop)
[22:33] <kostkon> dStruct, but I doubt cups or colord have anything to do with it
[22:34] <dStruct> yeah it's really weird, I haven't done anything to this install that would cause this, I may just have to upgrade and hope for the best 16.04.1 I know is somewhat dated
[22:34] <akik> dStruct: 16.04 is supported until 2021
[22:34] <dStruct> I was victim to the Terminal changes, I use this box offline as a serial port console/mux type deal, and it doesn't get upgraded typically
[22:35] <dStruct> 16 serial ports :D
[22:35] <dStruct> well thanks for looking at it kostkon
[22:37] <kostkon> dStruct, your nondescript suspend problems is one of the the countless ones faced by many people on many systems. In some cases, with a bit of tinkering or new/updated drivers they can be fixed, but the majority may linger until the user one day installs a newer distro that magically fixes the problem
[22:39] <dStruct> kostkon: I know it's very hard to diagnose, there is just literally no debug info to it, and I don't think I have any drivers to update, just stock default stuff, I will run a apt update/upgrade however and see if it helps
[22:39] <kostkon> dStruct, you said you are on 16.04.1. Does that mean you are still using kernel 4.4?
[22:40] <dStruct> kostkon: I had to stop doing updates after Terminal was changed, it entirely broke my terminals and I had to redo everything using MATE Term
[22:40] <dStruct> kostkon: correct, 4.4.0-47-generic
[22:40] <nacc> dStruct: that's ... incredibly out of date
[22:41] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[22:41] <nacc> dStruct: you should be on 4.4.0-98
[22:41] <dStruct> nacc: yes I know, the system is an offline system, and I don't update it because there is no need, except I just figured out today why the damn thing keeps crashing, all the time I thought it was hardware
[22:41] <nacc> 4.4.0-47 is completely unsupported at this point, i thinkn
[22:41] <nacc> dStruct: did you try ... updatinng the kernel to see if it's fixed?
[22:41] <kostkon> dStruct, well you could install the latest hwe and get 4.10 and a new graphics stack. That will give you a newer kernel and a newer mesa, and as a result a newer intel driver
[22:42] <kostkon> !hwe
[22:42] <dStruct> nacc: after Terminal updated and broke everything and I spent 3 days recovering I took it offline and stopped doing updates on it, I'm not one of those non-updaters btw :D
[22:42] <dStruct> I will be backing up and doing some updates for sure tho, thanks guys :D
[22:42] <nacc> dStruct: i mean, it's nonsensical to come into the support channel and say there is some issue, when you haven't tested if the actual current distro works or not
[22:43] <dStruct> nacc: that was actually my question, if the issue had been resolved upstream
[22:43] <nacc> dStruct: i have never heard of this particular issue, and i do't believe i saw a bug referece go by
[22:43] <nacc> dStruct: so it is (IMO) quite literally impossible for us to say.
[22:44] <dStruct> nacc: I linked a non bug url, let me grab the bug url for reference
[22:45] <dStruct> nacc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/foundations-bugs/2015-April/233502.html and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/1442050
[22:46] <dStruct> nacc: I was just wondering if anyone was familiar with it, and if it might have been addressed upstream prior to me doing an apt update/upgrade, that's all
[22:47] <nacc> dStruct: "upstream"?
[22:47] <dStruct> nacc: newer version/release
[22:48] <nacc> dStruct: there is nothing in that bug about freezing the system
[22:48] <dStruct> nacc: I mean I have tons of Ubuntu installs, mostly the latest LTS or newer, and some old stuff for various reasons, and this is the only box I've ever seen this happen to
[22:49] <dStruct> nacc: yeah it's weird, I literally get Started CUPS Scheduler, and the colord error line in the same second in the syslog, and it'll stop answering interrupts, have to hard power cycle each time
[22:49] <nacc> dStruct: that doesn't indicate causation
[22:50] <nacc> dStruct: at least, not immediately
[22:50] <dStruct> nacc: I was just curious if anyone knew about it, I'm sure an update will probably cure it
[22:50] <dStruct> nacc: yeah I literally get nothing else, just normal cron just stuff and regular messages
[22:59] <UukGoblin> hello, I've got no audio (no audio devices in lspci, aplay -l; alsamixer doesn't even start) on a fresh install of Ubuntu 17.04 using an Intel Atom x5-Z8350 CPU (video output is via HDMI; I expect there to be an HDMI card available)
[22:59] <UukGoblin> pulseaudio uses a dummy driver and sees no real cards
[23:00] <UukGoblin> am I missing a kernel module/driver or something?
[23:04] <UukGoblin> oh, it's November already
[23:04] <UukGoblin> let me upgrade to 17.10, one sec...
[23:04] <ycyclist> Traffic tools:  Is there a tool out there that I can use to generate memory, cpu, swap and disk usage in order to see how an app behaves when these are near limits?
[23:04] <kostkon> UukGoblin, support for 17.04 will expire soon. Upgrade to 17.10 and see if that fixs your problem https://liliputing.com/2017/03/linux-4-11-brings-improvements-intel-atom-pcs-bay-trail-cherry-trail.html
[23:05] <SilverSlimer> Is there a solution for the "Loading Patch Failed ar3k" problem?
[23:05] <kostkon> UukGoblin, the article says hdmi audio was fixed in 4.11
[23:07] <Doomsdrzej> Seriously, I can't possibly be the only guy with a "loading patch failed" issue which disables bluetooth
[23:07] <kostkon> !details | Doomsdrzej
[23:07] <UukGoblin> kostkon, thanks, upgrading now, my installation pendrive was done in September or so ;-)
[23:07] <Doomsdrzej> alright
[23:07] <kostkon> UukGoblin, np
[23:07] <akik> ycyclist: stress
[23:08] <Doomsdrzej> Since at least Ubuntu 15.04, whenever I install the operating system, I get a Loading Patch Failed AthrBT_0x00000200.dfu issue
[23:08] <Doomsdrzej> as a result the bluetooth is inactive
[23:08] <Doomsdrzej> and i can confirm that the file is not in the /lib/firmware/ar3k/ folder
[23:13] <Doomsdrzej> (I can live without bluetooth since it's a security issue but it sucks to have to do that)
[23:14] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, im guessing you've come across this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1542743
[23:15] <Doomsdrzej> it use that exact same laptop. thanks for the link. i'm reading it as we speak
[23:17] <Doomsdrzej> kostkon: I'm going to have to wait for distributions to issue a permanent solution, won't I? It seems like the patch will stop functioning if I upgrade the kernel.
[23:18] <Sveta> it depends on whether you have a workaround for bluetooth usage while you want for distribution to apply a fix
[23:20] <Doomsdrzej> but the workaround would need to be applied for each kernel, right?
[23:23] <Sveta> no, the workaround can be 'use sftp' or 'use email' so that you can upload your photos and videos to and from your mobile without using bluetooth
[23:24] <Doomsdrzej> Oh, that's not why I want bluetooth to work. To be honest, I want it to work just to get rid of the error. I also get three acpi errors at boot but I don't have a clue what they are and I'm not sure where to get a report of the boot errors either.
[23:27] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, as long as kernel updates keep you on the same kernel version, eg 4.10, the dkms package will rebuild the driver module to work with the newer kernel
[23:28] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, so eg. kernel security updates will not break your driver
[23:29] <oerheks> check the vendor for bios updates?
[23:34] <zerothis> how would I boot my new laptop from the network using my ubuntu system as the host (zesty)
[23:34] <Doomsdrzej> kostkon: no, i didn't expect security ones too
[23:35] <Doomsdrzej> kostkon: but ubuntu never goes from say 4.13 to 4.14 in the same release?
[23:40] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, lts point releases, starting 16.04.2, do provide new kernel versions. So they also come with new dkms packages to go along with the new kernel
[23:40] <Doomsdrzej> just before i screw things up, what's 17.10's nickname?
[23:40] <Doomsdrzej> artfu?
[23:40] <Doomsdrzej> artful...
[23:41] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, yep
[23:41] <Doomsdrzej> ok it seems that he has a ppa with a patch for each ubuntu version
[23:41] <ycyclist> Traffic tools:  Is there a tool out there that I can use to generate memory, cpu, swap and disk usage in order to see how an app behaves when these are near limits?
[23:41] <Doomsdrzej> very cool of him to make one
[23:43] <Doomsdrzej> alright, thank you kindly for your help. I'll reboot and see if this worked for me.