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| ngomes | few days ago i've updated to 17.10 , and i'm having some failures on xfce UI , taskbar not responding to mouse clicks so i cant launch aplications from the whisker menu. no error is reported | 12:01 |
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| ngomes | minimize maximize close window controls does not respond too. | 12:02 |
| ngomes | then , it all starts to function again | 12:03 |
| ngomes | is this a known issue ? | 12:04 |
| ngomes | i'm back | 12:22 |
| ngomes | got to reboot due instability | 12:22 |
| ngomes | meanwhile , any answer for me ? | 12:22 |
| ngomes | it's really annoying | 12:23 |
| ngomes | never seen it before | 12:24 |
| ngomes | anyone want to remote desktop to check something ? | 12:29 |
| xubuntu43w | Hello i have a problem. I have xubuntu 16.04.3 for desktop. I installed the kernel 3.14 because i had problems with a wifi adapter. Now the wifi works but after the install when i shutdown my laptop it takes 15min. | 12:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | using such an old kernel on such a new distro is fairly far outside the usual use so no clue | 12:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: weren't the hardware enablement stacks of any help | 12:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | or do you have wifi issues with all newer kernels? | 12:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | which wifi adapter are we talking about? usb pci ? | 12:38 |
| xubuntu43w | i am sorry | 12:39 |
| xubuntu43w | there is a mistake | 12:39 |
| xubuntu43w | i have 4.13* | 12:39 |
| xubuntu43w | i installed* | 12:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | ah | 12:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | how did you install it? | 12:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 | 12:39 |
| pmjdebruijn | ? | 12:40 |
| xubuntu43w | http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/09/install-linux-kernel-4-13-ubuntu-16-04-higher/ | 12:40 |
| xubuntu43w | like there? | 12:40 |
| xubuntu43w | 64 bit | 12:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | those are rather experimental | 12:41 |
| xubuntu43w | oh | 12:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | and not a good idea to run if you can avoid it | 12:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | HWE is the proper way to get newer kernel on LTS | 12:41 |
| xubuntu43w | HWE? | 12:41 |
| xubuntu43w | i am sorry i am very new | 12:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | presuming the latest HWE is recent enough | 12:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | current HWE for 16.04 is 4.10 | 12:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | if that's sufficient for your wifi adapter, I would recommend that | 12:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | HWE: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 | 12:42 |
| xubuntu43w | but | 12:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | unless you already have that, you can check with 'uname -a' | 12:43 |
| xubuntu43w | can i do this now with the 4.13 kernel? | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: not in a supported way | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | 4.10 isn't sufficient for you? | 12:43 |
| xubuntu43w | 4.13.0 | 12:43 |
| xubuntu43w | thats the output | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | I understand | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | NOW | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | I meant, what kernel did you have earlier | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | 4.4? | 12:43 |
| pmjdebruijn | you can probably check by doing 'ls -l /boot' | 12:44 |
| xubuntu43w | i guess? it was the kernel with the 16.04.3 deskptop iso | 12:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | presumably you'd see 4.4 or 4.8 or 4.10 | 12:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | ok, than that was probably already 4.10 | 12:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | so bad luck with the wifi adapter then | 12:44 |
| xubuntu43w | 4.10.0 yes | 12:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | so you're stuck running an unsupported kernel | 12:45 |
| xubuntu43w | 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31) | 12:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | you can try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown to see what might be going wrong for you | 12:45 |
| xubuntu43w | i did the update on 4.13 after this my "wifi" works | 12:46 |
| xubuntu43w | but i know it was fixed 2 kernel ago with the wifi issue | 12:46 |
| xubuntu43w | i am not really sure why it works nw | 12:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | this is why many people don't buy bleeding edge hardware for linux :) | 12:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | that, or just bad luck :) | 12:47 |
| xubuntu43w | ._. | 12:47 |
| xubuntu43w | fml | 12:47 |
| xubuntu43w | should i test a another distro with new sources? | 12:48 |
| ngomes | distro-upgrade | 12:48 |
| xubuntu43w | my adapter maybe works there? | 12:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | ubuntu 17.10 has 4.13 | 12:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | standard | 12:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | or xubuntu 17.10 | 12:48 |
| ngomes | well | 12:48 |
| xubuntu43w | so should i go for this? | 12:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | 4.13 will probably be HWE for 16.04 in a few months I guess | 12:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: you can test with a live CD/USB... ? | 12:49 |
| ngomes | xubuntu43w, if it does not work and you can't fix it, try the latest version | 12:49 |
| ngomes | if my issue does not get fixed , i will have to change distribution | 12:50 |
| xubuntu43w | how can i test it? you mean try the live distro and shutdown the system and see how long it takes? | 12:50 |
| ngomes | that's one ideia | 12:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: and check if wifi indeed works with 17.10 | 12:51 |
| xubuntu43w | oki | 12:51 |
| xubuntu43w | brb | 12:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | ngomes: are you sure xfce is the issue... did you check your dmesg to see if for example your graphics card driver isn't the issue??? | 12:51 |
| ngomes | dmesg outputs no error | 12:52 |
| ngomes | pmjdebruijn, i'm not sure , cant be xorg too | 12:57 |
| ngomes | i have 2 programs open . hexchat and chromium. i switch to chromium and bang, i cant click on program and windows controls are not working | 12:58 |
| ngomes | still , i can use tab to change fields and use "enter" to enter | 12:58 |
| ngomes | well i've found a workaround | 13:05 |
| ngomes | when i'm in a program with no control , i go to panel , right click , then i will regain control of the window | 13:07 |
| ngomes | which is awkard | 13:08 |
| ngomes | awkward | 13:08 |
| xubuntu43w | pmjdebruijn: it works | 13:09 |
| xubuntu43w | with 17.10 | 13:09 |
| xubuntu43w | and it shutdowns instantly | 13:09 |
| ngomes | then try to install it | 13:09 |
| xubuntu43w | fuck this | 13:22 |
| xubuntu43w | it stucks again | 13:22 |
| xubuntu43w | in shutdown loading screen after reboot | 13:22 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: check I link I give you | 13:31 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: it should help you see why this happens | 13:31 |
| xubuntu43w | now it works | 13:31 |
| xubuntu43w | i dunno how long | 13:31 |
| ngomes | xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ? | 13:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | sudo -u www-data /var/www/owncloud/occ upgrade | 13:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown | 13:32 |
| pmjdebruijn | (ignore the owncloud thing) | 13:32 |
| xubuntu43w | it shutdowns instantly now | 13:32 |
| xubuntu43w | its so confused for me | 13:32 |
| xubuntu43w | alright stucks again test your link | 13:34 |
| ngomes | xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ? | 13:34 |
| xubuntu43w | i dont understand your question | 13:35 |
| xubuntu43w | from the wifi card? | 13:36 |
| ngomes | you said you got a problem with the wifi , that it takes too long to shutdown ... ? | 13:36 |
| xubuntu43w | no | 13:36 |
| xubuntu43w | i said after i instal the new kernel to fix the wifi adapter my laptop had problems with shutdown time | 13:37 |
| xubuntu43w | so its a problem with kenerel not wifi ^^ | 13:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | possibly | 13:37 |
| ngomes | wifi drivers are in the kernel | 13:37 |
| pmjdebruijn | seeing the shutdown might give a hint | 13:37 |
| ngomes | log the shutdown procedure, then reboot and check it | 13:38 |
| ngomes | i remove /home and all config | 14:07 |
| ngomes | my problem presists | 14:07 |
| xubuntu43w | i am done | 14:28 |
| xubuntu43w | i have no idea | 14:28 |
| pmjdebruijn | xubuntu43w: where did your system pause during shutdown? | 14:39 |
| xubuntu43w | no pause | 14:40 |
| xubuntu43w | it just takes so much time for everything | 14:40 |
| xubuntu43w | if i press esc i can what happend | 14:40 |
| xubuntu43w | and it just wastes so much time for each step | 14:40 |
| pmjdebruijn | I would check journalctl see if anything there pops up | 14:40 |
| hmm | i used the command | 14:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | I don't know what to look for, you'd need to look yourself | 14:45 |
| hmm | with my skills hmn. | 14:45 |
| * pmjdebruijn buys established hardware to avoid trouble like this :) | 14:46 | |
| hmm | it was my first laptop | 14:46 |
| hmm | and there is no specific information about the adapter | 14:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | then I wouldn't have bought it :) | 14:47 |
| hmm | +.. | 14:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | but that a bit beside the point I guess | 14:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | just something to keep in mind next go around | 14:47 |
| hmm | yes | 14:47 |
| hmm | maybe i should try another os? | 14:47 |
| hmm | other linux distro | 14:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | you might want to ask in #ubuntu, as the startup/downshut of ubuntu/xubuntu should be very similar | 14:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://askubuntu.com/questions/970355/ubuntu-17-10-takes-very-long-time-to-shut-down | 14:48 |
| === xubuntu43w is now known as Aquza | ||
| ngomes | this is a fucked up bug i'm having | 15:09 |
| ngomes | not able to multitask , windows fail for intercept mouse clicks | 15:09 |
| ngomes | i'm reinstalling all packages | 15:10 |
| ngomes | i would require a list of 17.10 default packages to check if i got them all or miss something | 15:10 |
| ngomes | anyone ? | 15:10 |
| knome | ngomes, this is a family-friendly channel, please. | 15:15 |
| ngomes | i'm a bit annoyed since i use xubuntu and xfce for quite a while and never had nothing like this is the previous versions | 15:16 |
| knome | i understand, but that doesn't warrant breaking guidelines you agree to follow by using this channel :) | 15:17 |
| ngomes | ok , sorry | 15:18 |
| ngomes | hopelly it will solve | 15:18 |
| knome | i hope so as well | 15:18 |
| ngomes | lol | 15:20 |
| ngomes | knome, can you get me a list of 17.10 default package list ? | 15:21 |
| pmjdebruijn | ngomes: if you don't have any particular HW dependancies, why not stick with 16.04.x | 15:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | as opposed to 17.10 | 15:23 |
| ngomes | because i've been updating versions | 15:23 |
| ngomes | latest was 17.04 | 15:23 |
| pmjdebruijn | I know, but I meant just moving back to 16.04.x | 15:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | should be fine for most purposes | 15:24 |
| knome | ngomes, check a manifest file from a download mirror | 15:24 |
| ngomes | i will , if i can't solve this | 15:24 |
| ngomes | the thing is , my usb stick is locking my computer on boot , it locks os splash screen , so i can't install any distro for now | 15:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | that's unfortunate | 15:26 |
| ngomes | knome, what directory is that file in ? | 15:29 |
| ngomes | http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful/ | 15:29 |
| Aquza | pmjdebruijn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317 | 15:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1724317 in linux (Ubuntu) "Shutdown hangs / no standby - possible Wifi-bug in the kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:42 |
| Aquza | should be fixed with 4.14 | 15:42 |
| Aquza | = ) | 15:42 |
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| xubuntu09w | hi! i wanted to install xubuntu 16.04 desktop and right after 70+% the laptop simply shuts down, like it's being unplugged. i have no battery in it. i tried twice, with mini.iso and full iso, same result. after that, the computer won't start | 17:37 |
| Fernando-Basso | xubuntu09w, I have answer, but could it be some hardware failure? | 18:53 |
| Fernando-Basso | Not sure if you tried some other distro just for the sake of testing. | 18:53 |
| Fernando-Basso | Or, who knows, although very unlikely, it is still not impossible that two cd/dvd would have been written with some sort of problem. | 18:54 |
| Fernando-Basso | Somedays ago I burned xubuntu 17.10 dvd iso, and it wouldn't even show the graphical screen. | 18:55 |
| Fernando-Basso | And I tried xubuntu mini and it worked (and I installed from there). | 18:55 |
| Fernando-Basso | I mean to say that I _DON'T_ have an answer... | 18:56 |
| xubuntu09w | Fernando-Basso, the cd/dvd were written with different writers. it's not a hardware failure, the laptop runs fine with windows and it's not overheating. | 19:21 |
| Fernando-Basso | xubuntu09w, I see, I am sorry that it is happening but I don't know much what to say. Looks like a hard problem to figure out... | 19:24 |
| Fernando-Basso | I have to leave. Good luck. | 19:24 |
| xubuntu09w | thanks! | 19:24 |
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| bigjoe | trying to compile a program with little success | 22:22 |
| bigjoe | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbfd" and "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopcodes" | 22:24 |
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