=== Unit193 is now known as HeadlessHorseman [12:01] few days ago i've updated to 17.10 , and i'm having some failures on xfce UI , taskbar not responding to mouse clicks so i cant launch aplications from the whisker menu. no error is reported [12:02] minimize maximize close window controls does not respond too. [12:03] then , it all starts to function again [12:04] is this a known issue ? [12:22] i'm back [12:22] got to reboot due instability [12:22] meanwhile , any answer for me ? [12:23] it's really annoying [12:24] never seen it before [12:29] anyone want to remote desktop to check something ? [12:32] Hello i have a problem. I have xubuntu 16.04.3 for desktop. I installed the kernel 3.14 because i had problems with a wifi adapter. Now the wifi works but after the install when i shutdown my laptop it takes 15min. [12:37] using such an old kernel on such a new distro is fairly far outside the usual use so no clue [12:37] xubuntu43w: weren't the hardware enablement stacks of any help [12:38] or do you have wifi issues with all newer kernels? [12:38] which wifi adapter are we talking about? usb pci ? [12:39] i am sorry [12:39] there is a mistake [12:39] i have 4.13* [12:39] i installed* [12:39] ah [12:39] how did you install it? [12:39] sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 [12:40] ? [12:40] http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/09/install-linux-kernel-4-13-ubuntu-16-04-higher/ [12:40] like there? [12:41] 64 bit [12:41] those are rather experimental [12:41] oh [12:41] and not a good idea to run if you can avoid it [12:41] HWE is the proper way to get newer kernel on LTS [12:41] HWE? [12:42] i am sorry i am very new [12:42] presuming the latest HWE is recent enough [12:42] current HWE for 16.04 is 4.10 [12:42] if that's sufficient for your wifi adapter, I would recommend that [12:42] HWE: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 [12:42] but [12:43] unless you already have that, you can check with 'uname -a' [12:43] can i do this now with the 4.13 kernel? [12:43] xubuntu43w: not in a supported way [12:43] 4.10 isn't sufficient for you? [12:43] 4.13.0 [12:43] thats the output [12:43] I understand [12:43] NOW [12:43] I meant, what kernel did you have earlier [12:43] 4.4? [12:44] you can probably check by doing 'ls -l /boot' [12:44] i guess? it was the kernel with the 16.04.3 deskptop iso [12:44] presumably you'd see 4.4 or 4.8 or 4.10 [12:44] ok, than that was probably already 4.10 [12:44] so bad luck with the wifi adapter then [12:44] 4.10.0 yes [12:45] so you're stuck running an unsupported kernel [12:45] 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31) [12:45] you can try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown to see what might be going wrong for you [12:46] i did the update on 4.13 after this my "wifi" works [12:46] but i know it was fixed 2 kernel ago with the wifi issue [12:46] i am not really sure why it works nw [12:47] this is why many people don't buy bleeding edge hardware for linux :) [12:47] that, or just bad luck :) [12:47] ._. [12:47] fml [12:48] should i test a another distro with new sources? [12:48] distro-upgrade [12:48] my adapter maybe works there? [12:48] ubuntu 17.10 has 4.13 [12:48] standard [12:48] or xubuntu 17.10 [12:48] well [12:48] so should i go for this? [12:48] 4.13 will probably be HWE for 16.04 in a few months I guess [12:49] xubuntu43w: you can test with a live CD/USB... ? [12:49] xubuntu43w, if it does not work and you can't fix it, try the latest version [12:50] if my issue does not get fixed , i will have to change distribution [12:50] how can i test it? you mean try the live distro and shutdown the system and see how long it takes? [12:51] that's one ideia [12:51] xubuntu43w: and check if wifi indeed works with 17.10 [12:51] oki [12:51] brb [12:51] ngomes: are you sure xfce is the issue... did you check your dmesg to see if for example your graphics card driver isn't the issue??? [12:52] dmesg outputs no error [12:57] pmjdebruijn, i'm not sure , cant be xorg too [12:58] i have 2 programs open . hexchat and chromium. i switch to chromium and bang, i cant click on program and windows controls are not working [12:58] still , i can use tab to change fields and use "enter" to enter [13:05] well i've found a workaround [13:07] when i'm in a program with no control , i go to panel , right click , then i will regain control of the window [13:08] which is awkard [13:08] awkward [13:09] pmjdebruijn: it works [13:09] with 17.10 [13:09] and it shutdowns instantly [13:09] then try to install it [13:22] fuck this [13:22] it stucks again [13:22] in shutdown loading screen after reboot [13:31] xubuntu43w: check I link I give you [13:31] xubuntu43w: it should help you see why this happens [13:31] now it works [13:31] i dunno how long [13:32] xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ? [13:32] sudo -u www-data /var/www/owncloud/occ upgrade [13:32] https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown [13:32] (ignore the owncloud thing) [13:32] it shutdowns instantly now [13:32] its so confused for me [13:34] alright stucks again test your link [13:34] xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ? [13:35] i dont understand your question [13:36] from the wifi card? [13:36] you said you got a problem with the wifi , that it takes too long to shutdown ... ? [13:36] no [13:37] i said after i instal the new kernel to fix the wifi adapter my laptop had problems with shutdown time [13:37] so its a problem with kenerel not wifi ^^ [13:37] possibly [13:37] wifi drivers are in the kernel [13:37] seeing the shutdown might give a hint [13:38] log the shutdown procedure, then reboot and check it [14:07] i remove /home and all config [14:07] my problem presists [14:28] i am done [14:28] i have no idea [14:39] xubuntu43w: where did your system pause during shutdown? [14:40] no pause [14:40] it just takes so much time for everything [14:40] if i press esc i can what happend [14:40] and it just wastes so much time for each step [14:40] I would check journalctl see if anything there pops up [14:44] i used the command [14:45] I don't know what to look for, you'd need to look yourself [14:45] with my skills hmn. [14:46] * pmjdebruijn buys established hardware to avoid trouble like this :) [14:46] it was my first laptop [14:46] and there is no specific information about the adapter [14:47] then I wouldn't have bought it :) [14:47] +.. [14:47] but that a bit beside the point I guess [14:47] just something to keep in mind next go around [14:47] yes [14:47] maybe i should try another os? [14:47] other linux distro [14:47] you might want to ask in #ubuntu, as the startup/downshut of ubuntu/xubuntu should be very similar [14:48] https://askubuntu.com/questions/970355/ubuntu-17-10-takes-very-long-time-to-shut-down === xubuntu43w is now known as Aquza [15:09] this is a fucked up bug i'm having [15:09] not able to multitask , windows fail for intercept mouse clicks [15:10] i'm reinstalling all packages [15:10] i would require a list of 17.10 default packages to check if i got them all or miss something [15:10] anyone ? [15:15] ngomes, this is a family-friendly channel, please. [15:16] i'm a bit annoyed since i use xubuntu and xfce for quite a while and never had nothing like this is the previous versions [15:17] i understand, but that doesn't warrant breaking guidelines you agree to follow by using this channel :) [15:18] ok , sorry [15:18] hopelly it will solve [15:18] i hope so as well [15:20] lol [15:21] knome, can you get me a list of 17.10 default package list ? [15:23] ngomes: if you don't have any particular HW dependancies, why not stick with 16.04.x [15:23] as opposed to 17.10 [15:23] because i've been updating versions [15:23] latest was 17.04 [15:24] I know, but I meant just moving back to 16.04.x [15:24] should be fine for most purposes [15:24] ngomes, check a manifest file from a download mirror [15:24] i will , if i can't solve this [15:25] the thing is , my usb stick is locking my computer on boot , it locks os splash screen , so i can't install any distro for now [15:26] that's unfortunate [15:29] knome, what directory is that file in ? [15:29] http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful/ [15:42] pmjdebruijn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317 [15:42] Launchpad bug 1724317 in linux (Ubuntu) "Shutdown hangs / no standby - possible Wifi-bug in the kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:42] should be fixed with 4.14 [15:42] = ) === dax is now known as studentloans === genii is now known as genii-zombii === phunyguy is now known as phunyghost === Pici is now known as ZarroBoogs [17:37] hi! i wanted to install xubuntu 16.04 desktop and right after 70+% the laptop simply shuts down, like it's being unplugged. i have no battery in it. i tried twice, with mini.iso and full iso, same result. after that, the computer won't start [18:53] xubuntu09w, I have answer, but could it be some hardware failure? [18:53] Not sure if you tried some other distro just for the sake of testing. [18:54] Or, who knows, although very unlikely, it is still not impossible that two cd/dvd would have been written with some sort of problem. [18:55] Somedays ago I burned xubuntu 17.10 dvd iso, and it wouldn't even show the graphical screen. [18:55] And I tried xubuntu mini and it worked (and I installed from there). [18:56] I mean to say that I _DON'T_ have an answer... [19:21] Fernando-Basso, the cd/dvd were written with different writers. it's not a hardware failure, the laptop runs fine with windows and it's not overheating. [19:24] xubuntu09w, I see, I am sorry that it is happening but I don't know much what to say. Looks like a hard problem to figure out... [19:24] I have to leave. Good luck. [19:24] thanks! === el is now known as strawfeminist === Neptune is now known as Guest23225 === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [22:22] trying to compile a program with little success [22:24] "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbfd" and "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopcodes"