[12:01] <ngomes> few days ago i've updated to 17.10 , and  i'm having some failures on xfce UI , taskbar not responding to mouse clicks so i cant launch aplications from the whisker menu. no error is reported
[12:02] <ngomes> minimize maximize close window controls does not respond too.
[12:03] <ngomes> then , it all starts to function again
[12:04] <ngomes> is this a known issue ?
[12:22] <ngomes> i'm back
[12:22] <ngomes> got to reboot due instability
[12:22] <ngomes> meanwhile , any answer for me ?
[12:23] <ngomes> it's really annoying
[12:24] <ngomes> never seen it before
[12:29] <ngomes> anyone want to remote desktop to check something ?
[12:32] <xubuntu43w> Hello i have a problem. I have xubuntu 16.04.3 for desktop. I installed the kernel 3.14 because i had problems with a wifi adapter. Now the wifi works but after the install when i shutdown my laptop it takes 15min.
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> using such an old kernel on such a new distro is fairly far outside the usual use  so no clue
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: weren't the hardware enablement stacks of any help
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> or do you have wifi issues with all newer kernels?
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> which wifi adapter are we talking about? usb pci ?
[12:39] <xubuntu43w> i am sorry
[12:39] <xubuntu43w> there is a mistake
[12:39] <xubuntu43w> i have 4.13*
[12:39] <xubuntu43w> i installed*
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> how did you install it?
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[12:40] <pmjdebruijn> ?
[12:40] <xubuntu43w> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/09/install-linux-kernel-4-13-ubuntu-16-04-higher/
[12:40] <xubuntu43w> like there?
[12:41] <xubuntu43w> 64 bit
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> those are rather experimental
[12:41] <xubuntu43w> oh
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> and not a good idea to run if you can avoid it
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> HWE is the proper way to get newer kernel on LTS
[12:41] <xubuntu43w> HWE?
[12:42] <xubuntu43w> i am sorry i am very new
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> presuming the latest HWE is recent enough
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> current HWE for 16.04 is 4.10
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> if that's sufficient for your wifi adapter, I would recommend that
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> HWE: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[12:42] <xubuntu43w> but
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> unless you already have that, you can check with 'uname -a'
[12:43] <xubuntu43w> can i do this now with the 4.13 kernel?
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: not in a supported way
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> 4.10 isn't sufficient for you?
[12:43] <xubuntu43w> 4.13.0
[12:43] <xubuntu43w> thats the output
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> I understand
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> NOW
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> I meant, what kernel did you have earlier
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> 4.4?
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> you can probably check by doing 'ls -l /boot'
[12:44] <xubuntu43w> i guess? it was the kernel with the 16.04.3 deskptop iso
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> presumably you'd see 4.4 or 4.8 or 4.10
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> ok, than that was probably already 4.10
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> so bad luck with the wifi adapter then
[12:44] <xubuntu43w> 4.10.0 yes
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> so you're stuck running an unsupported kernel
[12:45] <xubuntu43w> 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31)
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> you can try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown to see what might be going wrong for you
[12:46] <xubuntu43w> i did the update on 4.13 after this my "wifi" works
[12:46] <xubuntu43w> but i know it was fixed 2 kernel ago with the wifi issue
[12:46] <xubuntu43w> i am not really sure why it works nw
[12:47] <pmjdebruijn> this is why many people don't buy bleeding edge hardware for linux :)
[12:47] <pmjdebruijn> that, or just bad luck :)
[12:47] <xubuntu43w> ._.
[12:47] <xubuntu43w> fml
[12:48] <xubuntu43w> should i test a another distro with new sources?
[12:48] <ngomes> distro-upgrade
[12:48] <xubuntu43w> my adapter maybe works there?
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu 17.10 has 4.13
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> standard
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> or xubuntu 17.10
[12:48] <ngomes> well
[12:48] <xubuntu43w> so should i go for this?
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> 4.13 will probably be HWE for 16.04 in a few months I guess
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: you can test with a live CD/USB... ?
[12:49] <ngomes> xubuntu43w, if it does not work and you can't fix it, try the latest version
[12:50] <ngomes> if my issue does not get fixed , i will have to change distribution
[12:50] <xubuntu43w> how can i test it? you mean try the live distro and shutdown the system and see how long it takes?
[12:51] <ngomes> that's one ideia
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: and check if wifi indeed works with 17.10
[12:51] <xubuntu43w> oki
[12:51] <xubuntu43w> brb
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> ngomes: are you sure xfce is the issue... did you check your dmesg to see if for example your graphics card driver isn't the issue???
[12:52] <ngomes> dmesg outputs no error
[12:57] <ngomes> pmjdebruijn, i'm not sure , cant be xorg too
[12:58] <ngomes> i have 2 programs open . hexchat and chromium. i switch to chromium and bang, i cant click on program and windows controls are not working
[12:58] <ngomes> still , i can use tab to change fields and use "enter" to enter
[13:05] <ngomes> well i've found a workaround
[13:07] <ngomes> when i'm in a program with no control , i go to panel , right click , then i will regain control of the window
[13:08] <ngomes> which is awkard
[13:08] <ngomes> awkward
[13:09] <xubuntu43w> pmjdebruijn: it works
[13:09] <xubuntu43w> with 17.10
[13:09] <xubuntu43w> and it shutdowns instantly
[13:09] <ngomes> then try to install it
[13:22] <xubuntu43w> fuck this
[13:22] <xubuntu43w> it stucks again
[13:22] <xubuntu43w> in shutdown loading screen after reboot
[13:31] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: check I link I give you
[13:31] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: it should help you see why this happens
[13:31] <xubuntu43w> now it works
[13:31] <xubuntu43w> i dunno how long
[13:32] <ngomes> xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ?
[13:32] <pmjdebruijn> sudo -u www-data /var/www/owncloud/occ upgrade
[13:32] <pmjdebruijn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown
[13:32] <pmjdebruijn> (ignore the owncloud thing)
[13:32] <xubuntu43w> it shutdowns instantly now
[13:32] <xubuntu43w> its so confused for me
[13:34] <xubuntu43w> alright stucks again test your link
[13:34] <ngomes> xubuntu43w, how you can tell it is from the wifi card, since the wifi card works ?
[13:35] <xubuntu43w> i dont understand your question
[13:36] <xubuntu43w> from the wifi card?
[13:36] <ngomes> you said you got a problem with the wifi , that it takes too long to shutdown ... ?
[13:36] <xubuntu43w> no
[13:37] <xubuntu43w> i said after i instal the new kernel to fix the wifi adapter my laptop had problems with shutdown time
[13:37] <xubuntu43w> so its a problem with kenerel not wifi ^^
[13:37] <pmjdebruijn> possibly
[13:37] <ngomes> wifi drivers are in the kernel
[13:37] <pmjdebruijn> seeing the shutdown might give a hint
[13:38] <ngomes> log the shutdown procedure, then reboot and check it
[14:07] <ngomes> i remove /home and all config
[14:07] <ngomes> my problem presists
[14:28] <xubuntu43w> i am done
[14:28] <xubuntu43w> i have no idea
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu43w: where did your system pause during shutdown?
[14:40] <xubuntu43w> no pause
[14:40] <xubuntu43w> it just takes so much time for everything
[14:40] <xubuntu43w> if i press esc i can what happend
[14:40] <xubuntu43w> and it just wastes so much time for each step
[14:40] <pmjdebruijn> I would check journalctl see if anything there pops up
[14:44] <hmm> i used the command
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> I don't know what to look for, you'd need to look yourself
[14:45] <hmm> with my skills hmn.
[14:46]  * pmjdebruijn buys established hardware to avoid trouble like this :)
[14:46] <hmm> it was my first laptop
[14:46] <hmm> and there is no specific information about the adapter
[14:47] <pmjdebruijn> then I wouldn't have bought it :)
[14:47] <hmm> +..
[14:47] <pmjdebruijn> but that a bit beside the point I guess
[14:47] <pmjdebruijn> just something to keep in mind next go around
[14:47] <hmm> yes
[14:47] <hmm> maybe i should try another os?
[14:47] <hmm> other linux distro
[14:47] <pmjdebruijn> you might want to ask in #ubuntu, as the startup/downshut of ubuntu/xubuntu should be very similar
[14:48] <pmjdebruijn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/970355/ubuntu-17-10-takes-very-long-time-to-shut-down
[15:09] <ngomes> this is a fucked up bug i'm having
[15:09] <ngomes> not able to multitask , windows fail for intercept mouse clicks
[15:10] <ngomes> i'm reinstalling all packages
[15:10] <ngomes> i would require a list of 17.10 default packages to check if i got them all or miss something
[15:10] <ngomes> anyone ?
[15:15] <knome> ngomes, this is a family-friendly channel, please.
[15:16] <ngomes> i'm a bit annoyed since i use xubuntu and xfce for quite a while and never had nothing like this is the previous versions
[15:17] <knome> i understand, but that doesn't warrant breaking guidelines you agree to follow by using this channel :)
[15:18] <ngomes> ok , sorry
[15:18] <ngomes> hopelly it will solve
[15:18] <knome> i hope so as well
[15:20] <ngomes> lol
[15:21] <ngomes> knome, can you get me a list of 17.10 default package list ?
[15:23] <pmjdebruijn> ngomes: if you don't have any particular HW dependancies, why not stick with 16.04.x
[15:23] <pmjdebruijn> as opposed to 17.10
[15:23] <ngomes> because i've been updating versions
[15:23] <ngomes> latest was 17.04
[15:24] <pmjdebruijn> I know, but I meant just moving back to 16.04.x
[15:24] <pmjdebruijn> should be fine for most purposes
[15:24] <knome> ngomes, check a manifest file from a download mirror
[15:24] <ngomes> i will , if i can't solve this
[15:25] <ngomes> the thing is , my usb stick is locking my computer on boot , it locks os splash screen , so i can't install any distro for now
[15:26] <pmjdebruijn> that's unfortunate
[15:29] <ngomes> knome, what directory is that file in ?
[15:29] <ngomes> http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful/
[15:42] <Aquza> pmjdebruijn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317
[15:42] <Aquza> should be fixed with 4.14
[15:42] <Aquza> = )
[17:37] <xubuntu09w> hi! i wanted to install xubuntu 16.04 desktop and right after 70+% the laptop simply shuts down, like it's being unplugged. i have no battery in it. i tried twice, with mini.iso and full iso, same result. after that, the computer won't start
[18:53] <Fernando-Basso> xubuntu09w, I have answer, but could it be some hardware failure?
[18:53] <Fernando-Basso> Not sure if you tried some other distro just for the sake of testing.
[18:54] <Fernando-Basso> Or, who knows, although very unlikely, it is still not impossible that two cd/dvd would have been written with some sort of problem.
[18:55] <Fernando-Basso> Somedays ago I burned xubuntu 17.10 dvd iso, and it wouldn't even show the graphical screen.
[18:55] <Fernando-Basso> And I tried xubuntu mini and it worked (and I installed from there).
[18:56] <Fernando-Basso> I mean to say that I _DON'T_ have an answer...
[19:21] <xubuntu09w> Fernando-Basso, the cd/dvd were written with different writers. it's not a hardware failure, the laptop runs fine with windows and it's not overheating.
[19:24] <Fernando-Basso> xubuntu09w, I see, I am sorry that it is happening but I don't know much what to say. Looks like a hard problem to figure out...
[19:24] <Fernando-Basso> I have to leave. Good luck.
[19:24] <xubuntu09w> thanks!
[22:22] <bigjoe> trying to compile a program with little success
[22:24] <bigjoe> "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbfd" and "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopcodes"