=== studentloans is now known as dax [00:10] ubports_bot was added by: mariogrip [00:18] @Xorpad, Remind me never to bother you [00:18] @SergioSRM You would have to do something intentional and malicious to make me want to attack you, and if I attacked someone from here I would get banned for it so:P [00:19] @SergioSRM Like the last time I did any hacking, I was taking down a botnet, so I was shutting down a hackers ability to steal banking info and use other peoples computers as hash crackers or bitcoin miners [00:20] and again, I won't attack people from here because I've been talked to already about that [00:20] not about attacking someone here, just attacking in general [00:20] @Xorpad, wow man. cool [00:20] and I'd rather keep my ability to come here and contribute than attack someone and risk problems [00:21] @wayneoutthere I know right? too bad I can't share the stuff i get [00:21] @diego_topow, Correction. It's "Hello Wayne" [00:22] @wayneoutthere is every people apparently lol === xorpad is now known as TremendousOverki === TremendousOverki is now known as zerorax === HeadlessHorseman is now known as Unit193 [00:33] @wayneoutthere, 😂 [03:52] is it just me missing it or is the ubports recovery not on github? [03:53] also, fixed bug related to hardware not being detected on bullhead, more progress - yay! [03:53] oh i found it [04:27] lol i checked my activity time use tracker and I've spent 142 hours on bullhead port [04:27] lol [04:27] it's only been 2 or 3 weeks === dax is now known as rokosbasilisk === rokosbasilisk is now known as dax === strawfeminist is now known as el [07:52] @Xorpad, Bullhead users are lucky😜 [07:52] haha... not yet, I still have to do a lot of work [07:52] once you finish 90% of a coding project, all you have left to do is the other 90% [07:56] @Xorpad, So true... [08:05] there's always another 90% waiting for you when you finish your current 90% [08:05] @Xorpad, You are going to kill yourself... go to sleep😴😴😴 [08:06] Lol I slept for 18 hours last time [08:06] I'm good for now [08:06] I'm not even remotely tired [08:08] If i felt tired I would sleep but I just want to code more [09:11] Delper was added by: Delper [09:11] welcome @Delper [09:11] Hello everyone, people. [09:12] how are you? [09:14] Not bad, how are you doing? [09:14] pretty good [09:14] starting to get a little bit tired [09:15] probably will sleep in 1-2 hours, but I want to fix this bug first [09:25] @Delper, Hello Dmitry Delper and welcome! I'm going to send you a quick message on the side to make sure you have a few excellent tools to get you going. Just wanted to let you know so you know who I am when I send it. :) [09:26] hey folks, has anyone tried cross compiling oxide before ? I've set up a chroot as described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oxide/ArmCrossCompiling , but for some reason it always will compile for x64 instead of armhf, are there additional config steps needed ? [09:26] @Chris Clime, @mariogrip got it already running ... ask him ... [09:27] @delijati, ok thanks [09:40] Helmi4X was added by: Helmi4X [09:43] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/90p8nOi5/file_1596.jpg Help … Anyone instal Ubuntu with multirom but always like this … Nexus 5 [09:44] @Helmi4X, Hello Helmi Sumatriand welcome! I'm going to send you a quick message on the side to make sure you have a few excellent tools to get you going. Just wanted to let you know so you know who I am when I send it. :) [09:45] Ok sir thank a lot [09:47] Multiroom is not yet for UT available, but there is @Xorpad trying to do so, but he has just left to sleep [09:47] no I didn't , but I'm working on bullhead port now, I worked on multirom earlier today [09:48] I should go to sleep though [09:48] than you are lucky guy @Helmi4X O Will is the perfect gentlman to explain you all the matter [09:49] what do I need to explain? [09:54] Helmi Sumantri has just joined the groub and was trying to install UT, multiroom, see above, and I do not know how to esplain that this is not yet available and what is the current situation, but I know you are taking some care about it dear @Xorpad [09:56] You can't isntall UT with multirom anymore, because the person who made it abandoned it and the person who adopted the project doesn't care about ubports and hates us and has been flooding our irc channels for a while now... But I made copies of all his work, and am working on reviving multirom installable UT [09:56] Hopefully within the next 1-2 weeks it will be ready for hammerhead or at least one device [09:56] which device do you have? [09:57] @Xorpad, @Helmi4X [09:57] I was going to do it for hammerhead, then port it to bullhead and nexus 4 since I have those 3 devices already and don't need to buy them [09:58] which device is that? you highlighted someone instead of naming a device [09:58] Oh nexus 5 [09:58] yeah that was the first device I intended to fix it for and the one i've been working on so far, so hopefully in a few weeks you will have a working version of it [09:59] I do not know why he does not unswear us now, let us wait [10:00] @Xorpad I don't really know who you are, but I just wanted to say that I absolutely love having you in the group. You're always so active and engaged, and I've had a great time reading through different convos that have answered questions I didn't really know I had until then. Hope to keep seeing you around! :D [10:01] I will stick around don't worry [10:01] I will be here less though sooner or later, as I do a lot of martial arts training but am currently on medical leave [10:02] I had a heart attack, so I'm recovering for a while before I can train again, which means tons and tons of time to code [10:03] @Xorpad, Woah, glad to hear you're recovering! Heart attacks are devastating. Hope you're back up and kicking asap! ;) [10:03] Yeah, and i'm only 32! [10:03] @Xorpad, O_O Wow [10:04] I expect to be cleared for light exercise on the 8th, when I see the cardiolgist, but then it will take a long time to go from having trouble walking fast to being able to fight consistantly for long periods of time [10:04] I can't imagine he's going to give me permission to work out as hard as I can, so I'm expecting it to take a while to get reasonably fit again [10:04] Gotta lay off of those quarter pounders with bacon, eh? :P [10:05] @Xorpad, Aha another MMA & UBports enthusiast! Props for you WIll! [10:05] Haha, more like gotta train a more reasonable amount and not push myself 8 hours a day for 2 years straight and expect my body to put up with it [10:06] @Mohannes In the past few days I've been seriously stopping MMA and only doing BJJ when I return [10:06] more time for coding, and no head injuries/brain damage [10:06] @Xorpad, That's rigorous, to say the least. What a beating! Definitely wish the best for you, hoping you're cleared soon. [10:06] thanks for your concern guys... I'm just glad it's slowly getting better on it's own and I can walk almost at my normal pace [10:07] I usually wake 3.5-4mph, when it first happened 1.5mph was exhausting [10:07] As you should be doing. I mean recovering from an heart attack is a long process. Nothing works better than a bit of rolling! [10:08] To get back to the grind! [10:08] I love rolling [10:08] OSS!! [10:09] I suck at it but I live for the short moments and not so frequent successful things I do [10:09] He man, we all suck. just put in more time and effort to suck less. [10:09] Where do you train? [10:10] A place called The Martial Arts Training Center, and another Place called Action Reaction MMA [10:11] they are affiliated so I get them both covered under one fee [10:11] which is greatly dicsounted because the coach knows i'm poor and he likes me [10:12] Sweeping the mats on which you get swept on! Nice [10:12] Yeah [10:13] My GF does BJJ, she's really good [10:13] Im a Renzo Gracie (Holland) blue belt in BJJ and a recreational MMA praticioner. [10:13] So I feel your pain ;) [10:13] I'm 3 stripe white belt [10:14] but I know a lot of advanced stuff... I can't get the basics down but stuff no one knows or understands I always manage to get my submission [10:14] Like I can cartwheel over a persons head and land behind them with them in a choke hold [10:15] Ah yes! the good old cartweel pass to the rear naked choke. Instant classic :) [10:15] And what do you do here? coding around? [10:15] code [10:15] and use UT [10:16] I'm also really good at the Williams Guard if you know it. I have mastered 4 submissions from it and barely anyone knows it's possible to do so they don't see it coming or know how to react [10:17] usually they tap out before I do the actual submission because I always go for the near arm-bar and they don' know how to roll with me so that it isn't an inverted arm-bar with all my weight trying to dislocate their elbow [10:18] it's kinda funny cause there is escapes from it and no one knows the position exists [10:18] dude seriously + [10:18] hehe [10:19] Let the man preach a bit [10:19] He is going to a difficult time [10:19] or els he will put you in his Williams Guard [10:19] ;) [10:20] I just like to chat about anything and everything lol [10:20] I'm always getting told to get back on topic [10:20] which I shoudl do now [10:20] :) [10:20] Quick question on the new browser [10:21] when you start the browser in UT. Where are the Williams Guard tutorials shown? [10:21] :D [10:21] Im out! :P [10:21] There is very few tutorials on it [10:22] @Xorpad, And you dont think that is bevause you are keeping awake tons and tons hours coding without rest? [10:22] hhahahah [10:22] I wasn't doing that when it happened [10:22] @Milan Korecky, Nexus 5 sir [10:22] cool, nexus 5 is an awesome phone [10:22] I love them [10:23] @Xorpad, But you need it now. You are a valuable part of UT and we need you alive [10:23] mfw it's going to take 50 minutes to download the bullhead port from the cloud just so I can do something that requires a bullhead to be connected via usb [10:24] @SergioSRM If I felt tired or hadn't slept in more than 48 hours i would take a sleeping pill [10:24] but I woke up 20 hours ago after sleeping for 18 [10:24] I'm not on a 24 hour/day schedule [10:25] ugh, why does the build tree have to be so massive... I need it locally though, I was working on it on my 64 core skylake server [10:26] and now I need it locally so I can plug in a working nexus 5x to it for some stupid task, plus just to not rely on the server and not have the code anywhere else [10:26] BTW, i have been using UBport on my OPO for a few but I'm really pleased for the result. [10:26] very nice battery life, nice performance... [10:26] also, I only have 20 days left of the server being paid for, and then I'm not paying the crazy rental price when my time is up, so it's dumb to only have it remotely [10:27] I just miss some apps but I really want to see UT growing up [10:27] All my VPS's that I use for backing up and hosting are too weak to work with this stuff... after using this server even my OC'd 1950x threadripper will feel slow [10:27] @SergioSRM Try and encourage people to develop apps [10:28] having a good selection of apps will be a major factor in whether or not UT gets adopted by a large user base [10:28] Symbian which I used to code for was the best smartphone OS at the time, but there was barely any apps, so they had trouble selling them [10:29] It was the perfect phone OS, built from the ground up for use on phones, whereas ios and android are ports of PC os's, it was built to only be a smart phone [10:29] And it ran any kind of app, and you could make launcher icons for apps made in any language [10:29] and it was AMAZING at keeping memory free, it had mechanisms in place to ensure no memory would every not be reclaimed when it was done being used [10:30] remember malloc() just wants to be free() [10:30] (c programming joke) [10:31] it's also a valuable thing to remember, because if you allocate memory, then lose track of the variables location and can't or don't free the memory back up, your system/programs just keep claiming more and more memory without ever freeing it for reuse when it's done using it [10:31] most higher level and modern languages have a garbage collector that handles that, but C is my language, and in C you have to do memory managment manually [10:32] C is so great, but so easy to mess up if you aren't experienced and knowlegable [10:32] easy to make vulnerable hackable, or memory leaking programs, hard to debug, very little functionality so you have to build everything yourself [10:33] but it translates really efficiently into x86 machine code [10:33] also mips machine code, but arm is a different beast [10:34] @Xorpad, The problem is that I'm not a developer and I dont know developers … I always wanted to know how to so it but the life guide me for other way. So I'm just s enthusiast 😞 [10:34] well that is why I believe in running all the legacy apps off the UT device [10:34] not the ones crafted especially for it [10:34] but all the legacy stuff [10:35] some will be difficult to use on the mobile fomr factor [10:35] @SergioSRM developers are hard to find when you want them, and they come along with great stuff when you don't need them [10:35] and with onsscreen keyboard [10:35] but to carry all that around in the pocket and use on a desktop via ssh with x forwarding that is a killer application in itself [10:35] I'm going to sooner or later implement the algorithm I made to combine touch input with dictionary lookups to attempt to predict and make more accurate your key presses on the UT keyboard [10:36] I made the algorithm but I don't know QML which is what the keyboard is made in [10:36] so I just have a bunch os pseudo code [10:36] you know even on WIndows with Putty there are free (and paid as well) apps that provide x for forwarding [10:37] meaning even on windows you can run x apps (or gtk apps) off the UT device onto your desktop [10:37] I use cygwin for x11 on windows [10:37] and that is freaking awesome [10:37] cygwin and putty??? [10:37] cygwin is the only reason I can tollerate using windows [10:37] no just cygwin [10:37] I am talking about ssh client with x stack [10:37] that is better than convergence [10:37] it's got all sorts of linux software, it's almost a whole distro with a pretty nice repository [10:37] for convergence you need a phone with port for external monitor [10:37] it has openssh so you can so X forwarding over ssh [10:37] or a monitor with some wireless dongle [10:37] it's a bash shell [10:38] but just right now on ANY UT device you can install legacy x apps [10:38] and on any windows/linux/mac desktop you can run them off the phone [10:38] wait, what are you getting at here, I understand what you said but i'm not getting the point of it all [10:39] You want x11 ssh forwarded from your phone to pc? [10:39] to use these x apps on the phone itlsef is another story, but just for the use case with ssh and forwarded X, that is what convergence was supposed to bring [10:39] x apps on your desktop from a phone [10:39] yes, that is possible [10:39] I totally don't get it why this scenario is not exploited more [10:39] I am using my ut phone like that every day [10:39] but probably won't happen unless the official devs give me the go-ahead to implement my solution to apt-get breaking update ability and messing things up [10:39] I come work, puff, my x apps on my dekstop at work running off my phone [10:40] i come back home, puff, off the phone my apps go onto my desktop/laptop [10:40] all with me in my pocket [10:40] it involves a kernel module that combines 2 filesystems in the VFS(virtual file system) so you can install to the rootfs without actually modding it but rather modding another filesystem image that doesn't get pushed replacements for every time an update rolls out [10:40] @Xorpad, I am already working like that [10:40] have been since before Canoncial dropped UT development [10:40] I really think that we need a full apt-get solution that doesn't break anything and doesn't limit anything [10:40] cool [10:41] Did you have to remount the rootfs as rw and install with apt-get? [10:41] I have approx 20 different x apps on my phone and approx 1/3 of that I LASO run on the phone itself [10:41] sdirectly via xmir without any container any libertine [10:41] Ahh, makes sense [10:41] @Xorpad, I either install apps completely locally under home dir [10:42] or I ONLY create symlinks in the ro portion, for that YES i do remount -o,rw / [10:42] I also hav my own apps [10:42] I want to make it possible to do on halium which uses lxc container to hold the rootfs and the way UT does updates, it overwrites the rootfs, or doesn't update, or messes things up and removes everything you installed when you update(or so i've been told) [10:43] the problem is with how devs write apps on Linux [10:43] somehow unlike on WIndows linux apps throw their files all over the place [10:43]