=== ianorlin is now known as lynorian
=== zztopless is now known as zz-afk
[10:28] <grv> hi all. A question. What is better for you? 16.04 LTS or the newest 17.10?
[13:23] <lubuntu_user45> I just upgraded to lubuntu 17.10
[13:24] <lubuntu_user45> but wine doesnt launch
[13:39] <leszek> lubuntu_user45: any error message?
[13:44] <lubuntu_user45> none
[13:48] <lubuntu_user45> it just wont launch
[15:13] <AUMC> trying to install lubbuntu on an old MSi Wind Notebook. Install went well, get to the login screen but have garbled text on the left 3/4 of the screen and a narrow desktop and menubar on the right 1/4 of the screen. can't see login window. Can't see shutdown and reboot modal windows, but can still select reboot and hit the enter key to get it to move on. any thoughts?
[15:13] <AUMC> The Wind Notebook is an Atom driven netbook
[15:21] <berne> hey
[15:22] <berne> im having trouble with lubuntu in a netbook
[15:23] <berne> only the right side of the screen appears normal after installation
[15:54] <AUMC> so, is it a netbook thing?
[15:58] <glsmaxx> Is Lubuntu a lot OR a little lighter than Xubuntu?
[16:00] <glsmaxx> My daily driver is dropping 32 bit systems and I have a fairly good history using both Lubuntu AND Xubuntu.
[16:06] <glsmaxx> I could go with regular Ubunto but I really do not like Gnome OR Unity. I really am a XFCE kinda guy but do not have anything against LXDE. Thus with using fewer resources is going to be a big part of my decision.
[16:07] <glsmaxx> I will sure miss my ability to just pick and download programs. I do not like the idea of having to mess with PPAs either. Guess one has to do what one has to do..
[16:10] <AUMC> trying to install lubbuntu on an old MSi Wind Notebook (Atom netbook). Install went well, get to the login screen but have garbled text on the left 3/4 of the screen and a narrow desktop and menubar on the right 1/4 of the screen. can't see login window. Can't see shutdown and reboot modal windows, but can still select reboot and hit the enter key to get it to move on. any thoughts?
[16:36] <krytarik> AUMC: LP bug 1724639.
[16:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1724639 in linux (Ubuntu) "Bug in Kernel 4.13 : Intel Mobile Graphics 945 shows 80 % black screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724639
[16:45] <krytarik> AUMC: Try the "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" workaround mentioned in the comments there.
[17:02] <AUMC> krytarik, I'll take a look.
[17:11] <AUMC> krytarik: challenge with modifying the grub, is I can't read the terminal. is this something I modify in the installer and then reinstall?
[17:16] <krytarik> AUMC: Try if the console on e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F1 is more readable, otherwise can either do it in recovery mode, or on the Grub screen directly.
[17:16] <agaida> AUMC: or boot directly into 3
[17:17] <agaida> there was a key for enter boot before automagically start the graphical environment
[17:17] <agaida> erm - enter grub
[17:41] <lynorian> agaida, I am pretty sure it was shift
[17:42] <agaida> lynorian: i'm a registered member of "plymouth haters" since 2009 :)
[17:43] <lynorian> when something goes wrong with plymouth it is quite annoying
[17:46] <agaida> right - i like the idea, but i really don't like to be forced to use plymouth if i don't have any reason to do so - ok, it is the only working solution to serialize inputs with parallel starts - but i still don't need it, even if it is much better now
[17:47] <agaida> lynorian: esp. i really hate it in servers :D
[18:31] <lynorian> I really don't see why you would put plymouth on a server
[18:33] <agaida> i know some reasons - if nobody changed it mountall still depends on plymouth, i think cryptsetup even
[18:33] <agaida> :)
[18:36] <agaida> introduced by J. Remnand years ago - there was several attemts to lower it to Recommends, but all bugs was closed with a plain "No, never" - so we rebuild every new version without the dependency - ok, never done this again since i switched later to arch ...
[19:04] <unitypunk> ohai
[19:05] <unitypunk> anyone got a few mins to help me troubleshoot some wifi?
[19:05] <wxl> unitypunk: go for it
[19:06] <unitypunk> am on an OLD pc, thinkpad a30, it sees the card, but just redundantly asks for wep/wpa pass
[19:06] <wxl> ew don't use wep
[19:06] <unitypunk> fresh install of 16.04
[19:06] <unitypunk> nah
[19:06] <wxl> can you actually connect ot the ap?
[19:06] <unitypunk> wpa2
[19:06] <unitypunk> 4 other devices are currently connected to the ap
[19:07] <wxl> what about with the pc?
[19:07] <unitypunk> ... no.
[19:07] <unitypunk> it just redundantly asks for the password.
[19:07] <wxl> use `lspci -nnk` to get me the information on the card
[19:07] <wxl> i especially want to know the name, pci id (in brackets, the first one), and kernel module being used
[19:07] <wxl> as well as if any other kernel modules are available
[19:08] <unitypunk> hmm spam a few lines why not?
[19:08] <unitypunk> 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intersil Corporation ISL3874 [Prism 2.5]/ISL3872 [Prism 3] [1260:3873] (rev 01)
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc ISL3874 [Prism 2.5]/ISL3872 [Prism 3] [1668:0406]
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Kernel modules: hostap_pci
[19:09] <wxl> oh my. never heard of that :O
[19:09] <unitypunk> its.. old..
[19:10] <unitypunk> ¨designed for windows xp¨ sticker on it still :D
[19:10] <wxl> ok that's a support device by that driver
[19:11] <wxl> oh my you may need to flash some firmware or something :/
[19:12] <unitypunk> hmm
[19:12] <unitypunk> i dont have much expirence with that.
[19:12] <wxl> yeah most people don't
[19:12] <unitypunk> but i could reinstall xp and try to find the firmware i guess
[19:12] <wxl> let's check what you have
[19:13] <agaida> https://wiki.debian.org/hostap
[19:13] <wxl> yeah
[19:13] <wxl> hostap_diag [your interface, e.g. wlan0]
[19:14] <wxl> as long as you have 1.7.4+, you should be able to do WPA
[19:14] <unitypunk> not installed, sec...
[19:15] <agaida> and it might be that firmware is needed, as described in the manual
[19:16] <unitypunk> the firmware would be like inside the windows driver ya?
[19:16] <unitypunk> i snagged all the driver stuff from lenovo before i got started
[19:17] <unitypunk> Host AP driver diagnostics information for 'wifi0'
[19:17] <unitypunk> NICID: id=0x8013 v1.0.0 (PRISM II (2.5) Mini-PCI (SST parallel flash))
[19:17] <unitypunk> PRIID: id=0x0015 v1.0.7
[19:17] <unitypunk> STAID: id=0x001f v1.3.6 (station firmware)
[19:18] <unitypunk> wifi card is too old for the auth?
[19:18] <wxl> yep need to upgrade
[19:18] <wxl> in addition to that link agaida gave, http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/
[19:19] <wxl> looks like prism2_srec should be able to do the trick
[19:19] <unitypunk> ya
[19:19] <unitypunk> just reading it now.
[19:19] <unitypunk> doesnt seem too difficult
[19:20] <wxl> yeah doesn't
[19:20] <wxl> can't really support you beyond that, unfortunately as i've never had this chip or experience with this particular software
[19:21] <unitypunk> ffsssss
[19:21] <unitypunk> firefox crashed
[19:21] <unitypunk> computer too old for firefox...
[19:21] <unitypunk> lol
[19:21] <wxl> there's always w3m XD
[19:22] <unitypunk> is that lighter and functional?
[19:22] <wxl> or if you have to have graphics, w3m-img in xterm (text + graphics only), dillo (easier to use, less useful), xombrero (harder to use but fully functional browser)
[19:22] <unitypunk> ive never used a commandline web browser haha
[19:32] <unitypunk> dillo <3
[19:32] <unitypunk> thanks dude
[19:33] <wxl> np
[19:47]  * agaida think that wxl forget about lynx
[19:47]  * agaida runs
[19:50] <wxl> agaida: clearly you're not familiar with math
[19:50] <wxl> there's the well-known inequality: lynx < w3m
[19:50]  * wxl runs
[20:53] <AUMC> yay! thank you, all. The grub edit fixed my issue!
[22:52] <Prest0o> hi