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| profP | Hello. | 08:41 |
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| karjala_ | hi | 08:46 |
| gordonjcp | morning | 08:48 |
| bryanfrommacau | Hi | 09:28 |
| gordonjcp | morning | 09:29 |
| bryanfrommacau | This is going to sound very cheap...but my flash drive is only 1 GB....if I install ubuntu server, and then install mate, will it basically be the same thing? | 09:29 |
| gordonjcp | I think you'd struggle to install even Ubuntu Server in less than 2GB | 09:30 |
| alkisg | bryanfrommacau: yes, but you can also use the network installer, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads | 09:30 |
| alkisg | gordonjcp: he means the installation media only | 09:30 |
| gordonjcp | aha that makes mre sense | 09:31 |
| bryanfrommacau | a network installer would be great, but that's only for ubuntu, right? | 09:31 |
| alkisg | No you can select the environment from an installation menu | 09:32 |
| alkisg | At least that was the case years ago when I tried it... | 09:32 |
| alkisg | And of course you can put it on the server too | 09:32 |
| alkisg | *on the pc hard disk | 09:32 |
| alkisg | (the iso) | 09:32 |
| bryanfrommacau | Great, I'll give it a try :) | 09:32 |
| alkisg | bryanfrommacau: just tried it, mini.iso does have an "install ubuntu mate desktop" option | 09:44 |
| bryanfrommacau | Great, thanks :) | 09:50 |
| bryanfrommacau | I just realized that this computer has 2GB of RAM (64 bit processor)....is Mate a good choice? | 09:50 |
| bryanfrommacau | For some reason I was thinking it had more... | 09:51 |
| alkisg | Sure, mate is fine | 09:51 |
| bryanfrommacau | Should I stick with the 32 bit version? | 09:52 |
| bryanfrommacau | I'm just worried that might limit my options for some apps | 09:53 |
| alkisg | It depends on if you want to run e.g. steam (optimized for 32 bits) or skype (64 bit only) | 09:53 |
| alkisg | 64bit wastes a bit of ram and is a bit faster, but that's not very significant with 2 gb ram, so just select based on the apps you want | 09:54 |
| bryanfrommacau | probably don't need skype, mostly office stuff | 09:54 |
| bryanfrommacau | ok | 09:54 |
| josh_17-10 | Found a bug in a caja interface launched by Thunderbird - is it likely a caja bug to be reported here https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja or a Thunderbird or Nautilus issue? | 11:48 |
| rel | Firefox will not load on my Pi | 13:13 |
| rel | Any suggestions, it keeps giving me a crash report before it even loads. | 13:13 |
| alkisg | install a previous version | 13:13 |
| alkisg | Last firefox is broken on pi | 13:14 |
| rel | alkish Thanks | 13:16 |
| rel | How would I do thatn alkish? | 13:17 |
| alkisg | Use <tab> to autocomplete the names in irc | 13:18 |
| alkisg | alk<tab> | 13:19 |
| alkisg | Which Ubuntu version? | 13:19 |
| rel | 14.04 | 13:19 |
| rel | Ubuntu Mate | 13:19 |
| rel | For the Raspberry PI | 13:19 |
| rel | alkisg: Thanks didn't know that Tab trick1 :) | 13:20 |
| alkisg | https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox | 13:20 |
| alkisg | This says that you have either 56 or 28 | 13:21 |
| alkisg | What's the output of this command? apt policy firefox | 13:21 |
| alkisg | apt-cache policy firefox | 13:21 |
| rel | alkisg: Firefox 56 | 13:22 |
| rel | alkisg: I got to role back to 28? | 13:22 |
| alkisg | rel: or find 54 online | 13:23 |
| alkisg | I think 55 broke it | 13:23 |
| rel | alkisg: Ok, I'll uninstall it? | 13:24 |
| alkisg | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/ | 13:24 |
| alkisg | No, you install the old one over the new one | 13:24 |
| alkisg | Don't uninstall it because it will remove other packages too | 13:24 |
| alkisg | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_52.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1_armhf.deb | 13:26 |
| alkisg | This one should do... | 13:26 |
| rel | Ok thanks | 13:27 |
| rel | alkisg: Not on my Pi right now, but will do it later. | 13:27 |
| alkisg | np | 13:27 |
| alkisg | Or this one (worked for me in 16.04): http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb | 13:31 |
| alkisg | Remember to run `apt-mark hold firefox` after installing, so that it doesn't auto-upgade back to 56 | 13:33 |
| rel | alkisg: Thanks | 13:37 |
| rel | alkisg: Was wondering about how to prevent it from auto-updates. | 13:37 |
| alkisg | np | 13:37 |
| ricotz | alkisg, please do *not* recommend using old unsupported firefox versions! | 13:40 |
| ricotz | rel, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/firefox-esr_52.4.1~esr+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_armhf.deb | 13:42 |
| alkisg | ricotz: please don't upload versions that crash without checking :) | 13:56 |
| alkisg | That was what was in the archive :) | 13:56 |
| * alkisg wonders if there's any unit testing at all... for firefox in armhf | 13:57 | |
| ricotz | alkisg, mozilla doesn't support a bunch of archs, so runtime and even compile failures are expected :( | 13:58 |
| ricotz | alkisg, could you test this one? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+files/firefox_57.0~b13+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_armhf.deb | 13:58 |
| ricotz | although firefox 56 received an armhf runtime fix | 13:58 |
| alkisg | ricotz: sure, I have my rpi open, let me test... | 13:59 |
| alkisg | ricotz: same, ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 29837, ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child, ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal... | 14:01 |
| alkisg | +mozilla crash report | 14:02 |
| alkisg | ricotz: so, apt policy I have firefox 45 (runs), 56 (doesn't), and in the official ports archive there's 50 (runs) | 14:02 |
| alkisg | ...which one should I be using? Don't tell me 56, it doesn't run... | 14:02 |
| alkisg | From those, I select 50. | 14:03 |
| ricotz | I see, this is natively running on raspi1/2/3? | 14:03 |
| alkisg | Let me check the -esr version, hopefully it doesn't conflict with anything... | 14:03 |
| alkisg | Yes, native on rpi2 | 14:03 |
| ricotz | without any ssh | 14:03 |
| alkisg | Yes | 14:03 |
| alkisg | Without ssh | 14:03 |
| ricotz | I would strictly recommend firefox-esr 52 if it works | 14:04 |
| ricotz | for you own safety | 14:04 |
| alkisg | Testing... | 14:04 |
| alkisg | Generally mozilla in rpi isn't usable for surfing, so I only have it for emergencies like accessing cups in localhost:631 etc | 14:04 |
| ricotz | ok | 14:05 |
| alkisg | Ouch, it's considered a different browser, co-installable, telling me to import bookmarks etc from chromium... | 14:06 |
| ricotz | yes | 14:07 |
| alkisg | Firefox 52 (normal) also runs, so I would expect it to... yes, it runs as well | 14:07 |
| alkisg | And it complains it's out of date :D | 14:07 |
| ricotz | really? 52.5 is due next week | 14:07 |
| alkisg | ricotz: do you think it's safe to remove the firefox package and keep firefox-esr (i.e. would ubuntu-mate-desktop package depend on either of those, or only firefox?) | 14:12 |
| alkisg | Also, are there any localization packages? firefox-lang-el... | 14:12 |
| ricotz | alkisg, you can add the ppa to receive updates and l10n packages | 14:13 |
| * alkisg guesses it's not this one: https://launchpad.net/~team-esr/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr | 14:13 | |
| ricotz | depend on the dependency chain, you can make firefox-esr the default in the stettings | 14:13 |
| alkisg | ...but this one: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr | 14:14 |
| ricotz | no, and no | 14:14 |
| alkisg | :) which one? | 14:14 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 14:14 |
| alkisg | ty, testing... | 14:14 |
| ricotz | the link I gave should already made it clear ;) | 14:14 |
| alkisg | (it needs some more google page rank :D) | 14:14 |
| alkisg | It should, but I opted to googling to type less characters, and I fell for it :D | 14:15 |
| ricotz | right, the jonathonf ppa is a bit problematic | 14:15 |
| alkisg | 2018-05-01 Firefox ESR 52.8 will be the last release and therefore a switch on 2018-06-26 to Firefox ESR 59.2 will be required. ==> will that one still support flash? and java plugins? | 14:16 |
| ricotz | this will have to be determined | 14:16 |
| ricotz | the current nightly is still 58, so a lot of movement until then | 14:17 |
| ricotz | this is a disclaimer while the security support with cease then | 14:18 |
| alkisg | ricotz: ty; although for "rel" that was asking, 14.04 build failed in the ppa | 14:18 |
| alkisg | So he wouldn't be able to use esr anyway | 14:18 |
| ricotz | only arm64 failed | 14:19 |
| alkisg | You're right, sorry | 14:19 |
| alkisg | The only downside I saw so far, it's the firefox icon in mate-panel missing after installing firefox-esr and removing firefox | 14:22 |
| ricotz | alkisg, of course it has its own desktop-file | 14:23 |
| ricotz | so you need to renew the link | 14:23 |
| alkisg | Sure,mate could be using alternatives for that | 14:23 |
| alkisg | It's the same for binaries, icons, manpages etc | 14:23 |
| * alkisg doesn't like manually doing per-user things, as in some cases that means they need to be done for thousands of students... | 14:24 | |
| ricotz | you don't use armhf ltsp server/clients though? | 14:25 |
| ricotz | btw is the 16.04 xorg-hwe stack working on ltsp clients? | 14:26 |
| ricotz | last time I dared to upgrade ldm didn't came up | 14:27 |
| alkisg | ricotz: I've written a how-to for rpi on ltsp, and I've troubleshooted it on request a few times, but I'm not using it in any schools, | 14:38 |
| alkisg | the xorg-hwe stack runs fine, using it in many schools | 14:38 |
| ricotz | alkisg, let me emphasise that, I have the xorg-hwe on the server and it runs fine, but not on the client | 14:39 |
| alkisg | I'm using ltsp-pnp, so server=client | 14:40 |
| alkisg | Clients are p4, dual cores, i3, i5... | 14:40 |
| ricotz | interesting | 14:40 |
| alkisg | I only had a few issues with some ancient cards. Really ancient | 14:40 |
| ricotz | still having ndb/tftp images here | 14:40 |
| alkisg | Some s3 savage or sis, that came before geforce 400 | 14:40 |
| alkisg | ltsp-pnp is using tftp and nbd as well | 14:41 |
| alkisg | It just doesn't use a chroot, as it copied the server / as a template | 14:41 |
| alkisg | (while cleaning it up) | 14:41 |
| alkisg | We even added a new ltsp GUI tool, called ltsp-manager, in debian experimental a couple of months ago | 14:41 |
| ricotz | ah so it still have a "static" image to run from | 14:41 |
| alkisg | Yes it does have a read only image | 14:41 |
| alkisg | ltsp-manager automates all that via gui, and it also adds user management features | 14:42 |
| ricotz | will try to have a look at this soon then | 14:42 |
| alkisg | (e.g. create accounts for 10 classes, each with 20 students) | 14:42 |
| sara__ | hi | 16:00 |
| sara__ | jmd on | 16:00 |
| sara__ | hallo | 16:00 |
| _ProfP | hi | 19:52 |
| _ProfP | Running MATE 17.10 on one desktop with two monitors. my main monitor is the right one. so all my desktop icons are placed here | 20:02 |
| _ProfP | My problem: after very log-on ALL the icons are moved to the left monitor | 20:02 |
| _ProfP | Any ideas on how to overcome this? | 20:02 |
| _ProfP | this is what XRANDR says: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25867236/ | 20:02 |
| tom76 | hello, can i ask question about a strange ubuntu mate behaviour here | 20:08 |
| tom76 | running ubuntu mate 16 lts since a while.. works great.. since yesterday, i changed my audio to go true HDMI instead of regular analog plug | 20:09 |
| tom76 | after some hours working on the computer.. and afters some standby | 20:10 |
| tom76 | my volume up/down keys .. the onscreen popup comes up, .. but increasing or decreasing the volume doesnt work anymore .. have to reboot to fix it | 20:10 |
| tom76 | But , i can still use the mouse to increase/decrease the sound | 20:12 |
| tom76 | if i'm in the wrong place to ask (sorry then) | 20:13 |
| donnie | hi | 22:01 |
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