=== josh is now known as Guest48777 [08:41] Hello. [08:46] hi [08:48] morning [09:28] Hi [09:29] morning [09:29] This is going to sound very cheap...but my flash drive is only 1 GB....if I install ubuntu server, and then install mate, will it basically be the same thing? [09:30] I think you'd struggle to install even Ubuntu Server in less than 2GB [09:30] bryanfrommacau: yes, but you can also use the network installer, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads [09:30] gordonjcp: he means the installation media only [09:31] aha that makes mre sense [09:31] a network installer would be great, but that's only for ubuntu, right? [09:32] No you can select the environment from an installation menu [09:32] At least that was the case years ago when I tried it... [09:32] And of course you can put it on the server too [09:32] *on the pc hard disk [09:32] (the iso) [09:32] Great, I'll give it a try :) [09:44] bryanfrommacau: just tried it, mini.iso does have an "install ubuntu mate desktop" option [09:50] Great, thanks :) [09:50] I just realized that this computer has 2GB of RAM (64 bit processor)....is Mate a good choice? [09:51] For some reason I was thinking it had more... [09:51] Sure, mate is fine [09:52] Should I stick with the 32 bit version? [09:53] I'm just worried that might limit my options for some apps [09:53] It depends on if you want to run e.g. steam (optimized for 32 bits) or skype (64 bit only) [09:54] 64bit wastes a bit of ram and is a bit faster, but that's not very significant with 2 gb ram, so just select based on the apps you want [09:54] probably don't need skype, mostly office stuff [09:54] ok [11:48] Found a bug in a caja interface launched by Thunderbird - is it likely a caja bug to be reported here https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja or a Thunderbird or Nautilus issue? [13:13] Firefox will not load on my Pi [13:13] Any suggestions, it keeps giving me a crash report before it even loads. [13:13] install a previous version [13:14] Last firefox is broken on pi [13:16] alkish Thanks [13:17] How would I do thatn alkish? [13:18] Use to autocomplete the names in irc [13:19] alk [13:19] Which Ubuntu version? [13:19] 14.04 [13:19] Ubuntu Mate [13:19] For the Raspberry PI [13:20] alkisg: Thanks didn't know that Tab trick1 :) [13:20] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox [13:21] This says that you have either 56 or 28 [13:21] What's the output of this command? apt policy firefox [13:21] apt-cache policy firefox [13:22] alkisg: Firefox 56 [13:22] alkisg: I got to role back to 28? [13:23] rel: or find 54 online [13:23] I think 55 broke it [13:24] alkisg: Ok, I'll uninstall it? [13:24] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/ [13:24] No, you install the old one over the new one [13:24] Don't uninstall it because it will remove other packages too [13:26] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_52.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1_armhf.deb [13:26] This one should do... [13:27] Ok thanks [13:27] alkisg: Not on my Pi right now, but will do it later. [13:27] np [13:31] Or this one (worked for me in 16.04): http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb [13:33] Remember to run `apt-mark hold firefox` after installing, so that it doesn't auto-upgade back to 56 [13:37] alkisg: Thanks [13:37] alkisg: Was wondering about how to prevent it from auto-updates. [13:37] np [13:40] alkisg, please do *not* recommend using old unsupported firefox versions! [13:42] rel, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/firefox-esr_52.4.1~esr+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_armhf.deb [13:56] ricotz: please don't upload versions that crash without checking :) [13:56] That was what was in the archive :) [13:57] * alkisg wonders if there's any unit testing at all... for firefox in armhf [13:58] alkisg, mozilla doesn't support a bunch of archs, so runtime and even compile failures are expected :( [13:58] alkisg, could you test this one? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+files/firefox_57.0~b13+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_armhf.deb [13:58] although firefox 56 received an armhf runtime fix [13:59] ricotz: sure, I have my rpi open, let me test... [14:01] ricotz: same, ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 29837, ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child, ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal... [14:02] +mozilla crash report [14:02] ricotz: so, apt policy I have firefox 45 (runs), 56 (doesn't), and in the official ports archive there's 50 (runs) [14:02] ...which one should I be using? Don't tell me 56, it doesn't run... [14:03] From those, I select 50. [14:03] I see, this is natively running on raspi1/2/3? [14:03] Let me check the -esr version, hopefully it doesn't conflict with anything... [14:03] Yes, native on rpi2 [14:03] without any ssh [14:03] Yes [14:03] Without ssh [14:04] I would strictly recommend firefox-esr 52 if it works [14:04] for you own safety [14:04] Testing... [14:04] Generally mozilla in rpi isn't usable for surfing, so I only have it for emergencies like accessing cups in localhost:631 etc [14:05] ok [14:06] Ouch, it's considered a different browser, co-installable, telling me to import bookmarks etc from chromium... [14:07] yes [14:07] Firefox 52 (normal) also runs, so I would expect it to... yes, it runs as well [14:07] And it complains it's out of date :D [14:07] really? 52.5 is due next week [14:12] ricotz: do you think it's safe to remove the firefox package and keep firefox-esr (i.e. would ubuntu-mate-desktop package depend on either of those, or only firefox?) [14:12] Also, are there any localization packages? firefox-lang-el... [14:13] alkisg, you can add the ppa to receive updates and l10n packages [14:13] * alkisg guesses it's not this one: https://launchpad.net/~team-esr/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr [14:13] depend on the dependency chain, you can make firefox-esr the default in the stettings [14:14] ...but this one: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr [14:14] no, and no [14:14] :) which one? [14:14] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [14:14] ty, testing... [14:14] the link I gave should already made it clear ;) [14:14] (it needs some more google page rank :D) [14:15] It should, but I opted to googling to type less characters, and I fell for it :D [14:15] right, the jonathonf ppa is a bit problematic [14:16] 2018-05-01 Firefox ESR 52.8 will be the last release and therefore a switch on 2018-06-26 to Firefox ESR 59.2 will be required. ==> will that one still support flash? and java plugins? [14:16] this will have to be determined [14:17] the current nightly is still 58, so a lot of movement until then [14:18] this is a disclaimer while the security support with cease then [14:18] ricotz: ty; although for "rel" that was asking, 14.04 build failed in the ppa [14:18] So he wouldn't be able to use esr anyway [14:19] only arm64 failed [14:19] You're right, sorry [14:22] The only downside I saw so far, it's the firefox icon in mate-panel missing after installing firefox-esr and removing firefox [14:23] alkisg, of course it has its own desktop-file [14:23] so you need to renew the link [14:23] Sure,mate could be using alternatives for that [14:23] It's the same for binaries, icons, manpages etc [14:24] * alkisg doesn't like manually doing per-user things, as in some cases that means they need to be done for thousands of students... [14:25] you don't use armhf ltsp server/clients though? [14:26] btw is the 16.04 xorg-hwe stack working on ltsp clients? [14:27] last time I dared to upgrade ldm didn't came up [14:38] ricotz: I've written a how-to for rpi on ltsp, and I've troubleshooted it on request a few times, but I'm not using it in any schools, [14:38] the xorg-hwe stack runs fine, using it in many schools [14:39] alkisg, let me emphasise that, I have the xorg-hwe on the server and it runs fine, but not on the client [14:40] I'm using ltsp-pnp, so server=client [14:40] Clients are p4, dual cores, i3, i5... [14:40] interesting [14:40] I only had a few issues with some ancient cards. Really ancient [14:40] still having ndb/tftp images here [14:40] Some s3 savage or sis, that came before geforce 400 [14:41] ltsp-pnp is using tftp and nbd as well [14:41] It just doesn't use a chroot, as it copied the server / as a template [14:41] (while cleaning it up) [14:41] We even added a new ltsp GUI tool, called ltsp-manager, in debian experimental a couple of months ago [14:41] ah so it still have a "static" image to run from [14:41] Yes it does have a read only image [14:42] ltsp-manager automates all that via gui, and it also adds user management features [14:42] will try to have a look at this soon then [14:42] (e.g. create accounts for 10 classes, each with 20 students) [16:00] hi [16:00] jmd on [16:00] hallo [19:52] <_ProfP> hi [20:02] <_ProfP> Running MATE 17.10 on one desktop with two monitors. my main monitor is the right one. so all my desktop icons are placed here [20:02] <_ProfP> My problem: after very log-on ALL the icons are moved to the left monitor [20:02] <_ProfP> Any ideas on how to overcome this? [20:02] <_ProfP> this is what XRANDR says: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25867236/ [20:08] hello, can i ask question about a strange ubuntu mate behaviour here [20:09] running ubuntu mate 16 lts since a while.. works great.. since yesterday, i changed my audio to go true HDMI instead of regular analog plug [20:10] after some hours working on the computer.. and afters some standby [20:10] my volume up/down keys .. the onscreen popup comes up, .. but increasing or decreasing the volume doesnt work anymore .. have to reboot to fix it [20:12] But , i can still use the mouse to increase/decrease the sound [20:13] if i'm in the wrong place to ask (sorry then) [22:01] hi