[15:01] * cyphermox waves [15:01] o/ [15:02] #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team [15:02] Meeting started Thu Nov 2 15:02:02 2017 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: [15:02] #topic Lightning rounds === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: Lightning rounds [15:02] o\ [15:02] echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther) [15:02] tribaal slangasek xnox doko sil2100 bdmurray rbalint cyphermox infinity Odd_Bloke mwhudson philroche rcj tdaitx fginther [15:02] go go go ;) [15:02] Tribaal, you won! [15:02] ohh, did we move the meeting ? [15:03] * Fixed up my mess with a particular build for a partner. Now fixed \o/ [15:03] doko: I think we all collectively suck at timezonez. [15:03] doko, US vs EU change of time is off by two weeks or so. [15:03] * Reviews [15:03] doko, no, we're in that window of time changes [15:03] (done) [15:03] Boring but that's life [15:03] xnox: [15:03] * working on boost1.65 transition, main is done [15:03] * working on ocaml transition, should transition when autpkgtest is ready [15:03] * worked on NTP settings in a cloud image [15:03] * prepared xenial ubiquity SRUs for WPA Enterprise support [15:03] * systemd SRUs validated and reliease [15:03] * Updating upstream systemd merge proposals [15:03] * Updating debian ntp/networkd patch proposal [15:03] * Fixing gcc7.1/boost1.65 build failures with fixes forwarded to debian [15:03] * systemd merged, but failing testing. [15:04] .. [15:04] doko: your turn [15:04] still writing summary ... [15:04] no sil2100 [15:05] I'll go to give doko time [15:05] override of increased rate of crashes for 0 day SRUs [15:05] SRU verification of bugs 1477455, 1717360, 1721882 for Z and X [15:05] updated daisy, errors code for bionic and release of artful [15:05] thanks bdmurray [15:05] bug 1477455 in update-manager (Ubuntu Artful) "Incorrect instructions leave automatic updates blocked when /boot is full" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477455 [15:05] bug 1721882 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Artful) "Generic instructions for dealing with full partitions don't help much" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721882 [15:05] bug 1717360 in update-manager (Ubuntu Trusty) "test_update_origin.py test failure" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717360 [15:05] submitted RT re staging, production update of the Error Tracker [15:05] tested staging, production update of the Error Tracker (good) [15:05] review of arm64 good retraces on the Error Tracker [15:05] setup rls-bb- reports [15:05] setup Error Tracker env with cassandra 3.10 for testing [15:05] special SRU review of horizon for coreycb [15:05] ✔ done [15:05] * short week [15:05] * minor livecd-rootfs updates [15:05] * GCE new upstream [15:05] doko: ready yet? [15:05] * things i can't report here [15:06] (done) [15:06] - archive opening, initial transitions icu, boost, ... [15:06] - sync five year libcdio from experimental, package libcdio-paranoia [15:06] - archive admin work for bionic [15:06] - openjdk-8 upload, based on tiago's work [15:06] - gcc-8, gcc-8-cross updated [15:06] (done) [15:06] - jenkins merging/code testing for xenial minimized c-i.u.c images [15:06] - debugging minimized images boot/speed [15:06] - shim signature cat-herding, review [15:06] - grub2 merge for 2.02 [15:06] - netplan UX user stories planning [15:06] - netplan autopkgtests on xenial & zesty [15:06] - preparing netplan doc / website (RT) [15:06] - shim re-testing after MS signature [15:06] (done) [15:06] infinity? [15:07] guess he might not be on this timezone [15:07] - Paternity leave + bank holiday and catching up on my return [15:07] (done) [15:08] * Vacation day [15:08] * Automated promotion rework complete and in testing [15:08] * build failure analysis / build system vanguard work [15:08] (done) [15:08] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team Meeting | Current topic: AOB [15:08] anybody got OB? [15:08] woops [15:09] okay, tdaitx and fginther :) [15:09] I got confused by newlines [15:09] [HIGHLIGHT] OpenJDK 8u151 has been released to Xenial, Zesty, and Artful with the latest security fixes and an armhf hotspot (aarch32). [15:09] * OpenJDK 8 packaged, tested & uploaded to the security team [15:09] - redid packaging to include CVEs after Oracle restored our access [15:09] * Backporting 8u151 security patches to OpenJDK 7 (ongoing) [15:09] * Tested open kernel/openjdk bug, still an issue (LP: #1699772 and LP:#1700270) [15:09] * Following errors.ubuntu.com for regressions on OpenJDK 8 update [15:09] - current reports are about existing issue, no regressions so far [15:09] Launchpad bug 1699772 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-image-4.13.0-12-generic, linux-image-4.10.0-24-generic, linux-image-4.8.0-56-generic, linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic | Regression: many user-space apps crashing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699772 [15:09] Other: [15:09] - today is a holiday, was planning to work but my family is meeting (unplanned) and I decided to join them, will be taking the day off and might be able to work a bit later in the afternoon/evening. [15:10] - bad config in IRC proxy, fixing it to get history working properly [15:10] (done) [15:10] * Created a proposal for new world publication of certain old world built images. [15:10] * Documentation updates for an automated publication library. [15:10] * Created document for the CPC development environment (i.e. need an openstack cloud, etc.). [15:10] * Built and tested GCE images for gce-compute-image-packages 20171019 update. [15:10] * Assisting support team with some Oracle cloud questions and setup. [15:10] (done) [15:10] great [15:10] sorry tdaitx and fginther :) [15:10] alright, any OB for real this time? [15:11] Nope [15:12] ok, going once [15:12] going twice [15:12] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:12] Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 15:12:28 2017 UTC. [15:12] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-11-02-15.02.moin.txt [15:12] thanks all [15:16] gaughen, hold on that highlight, I rechecked now and the emails I got are from the debian sync in bionic, that update should be comming soon, so let's leave it for next week [15:16] k tdaitx [15:29] o/ (sorry for being late, timezone went out of sync) [16:24] sil2100: don't worry about it [16:34] ahoneybun: a reminder, we meet in 30 minutes. There is still time to add items to the agenda, replying to the topic on the hub. [16:34] thanks elopio [17:01] wait was I kicked out of the room for the meeting? [17:04] ahoneybun: this room? [17:04] ahh [17:05] flexiondotorg marcoceppi jose wxl elacheche ahoneybun let [17:05] 's start. Who's here? [17:05] o/ [17:12] ahoneybun: flexiondotorg added a few topics on the agenda, so let's wait for him a little. Maybe he's having problems. [17:13] i'm here but give me a bit. work fires need to be put out [17:15] wxl: we haven't started. How much time do you need? [17:18] ok i'm here now for real elopio [17:18] sorry about that [17:26] wxl ahoneybun: 5 more minutes, or start now? [17:26] i'm ready [17:28] ahoneybun: ? [17:28] meetingology: help [17:28] elopio: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. [17:28] I'm good sorry at work so kinda all over the place [17:28] meetingology: list [17:28] elopio: Admin, Channel, Config, MeetBot, Misc, NickAuth, NickCapture, Owner, and User [17:30] #startmeeting Community Council meeting: 20171102 [17:30] Meeting started Thu Nov 2 17:30:12 2017 UTC. The chair is elopio. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council meeting: 20171102 | Current topic: [17:31] okay, this seems easy. The agenda for today was prepared in https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20171102/1018 [17:31] * elopio sent a long message: elopio_2017-11-02_17:31:20.txt [17:32] we might not be able to cover some topics, because they were proposed by Martin. But let's see what we can do. [17:32] #subtopic LoCo Council election. [17:33] this is the most urgent thing to do. We now have the candidates ready for the election, but I have never used that election software. I don't know how to send an email to all the voting members [17:33] i don't, either [17:33] anybody has ideas of what to do here? [17:34] i know you reached out to marcoceppi (right?) on community [17:34] i also pinged popey a while back but never heard anything [17:35] without that information we're at a loss [17:35] we could bug sabdfl ? :/ [17:35] yes, no reply. I will send another ping to Marco. I guess worst case scenario I can bother Daniel Holbach to teach me how to do it, and then document it. [17:35] i do know we use this: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ [17:36] i'm not sure if we offer our own server though... [17:36] do you have the email from the cc election by chance? [17:36] I'm not sure sabdfl would know the right buttons to touch. But well, asking him is an option too. [17:37] oh wait [17:37] maybe this isn't so difficult [17:37] look at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/civs_create.html [17:37] I do have the email. It comes from cornell.edu, so I'm guessing we use their server. We can guess that part, but how to send the email to everybody? [17:38] so it would be private [17:38] i'm sure we could use launchpad to send the mail [17:39] wxl: can you take an action to experiment with the software to learn how to use it, and I will keep pinging people until we find somebody to make sure we are not making it wrong? [17:40] ok [17:40] i think i can have this figured out in a few mins tho [17:40] #action wxl learn how to set up the LoCo council election poll [17:40] ACTION: wxl learn how to set up the LoCo council election poll [17:41] #action elopio keep pinging people who have previously done an election in the ubuntu community [17:41] ACTION: elopio keep pinging people who have previously done an election in the ubuntu community [17:41] actually i got it [17:41] Hello [17:41] i just need a script to grab all of the ubuntu members emails and put them in a file [17:42] which is fairly trivial with the python API [17:42] i've fiddled with it here and there for a couple things so shouldn't be too difficult [17:43] HOWEVER if you can find someone who knows something, i'd really appreciate it. there are lots of other options that i'm not sure how we might or might not use [17:43] so we're good there. let's move on :) [17:43] Appologies for being late. [17:43] yes, because not all people have their emails public in launchpad. I'm guessing we talk to the launchpad admins to get the list. I will ping around [17:44] let's try to get this ready for tomorrow wxl [17:44] no worries, flexiondotorg. there's at least two of us running around at work, too [17:44] flexiondotorg: ready to join us? [17:44] elopio: i think as members of the cc we may have more access than others [17:45] yes that's true [17:45] we own ubuntu members https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers [17:45] you might be right. Anyway, we can check and ask after the meeting. Let's continue with this. [17:46] #subtopic Report on the first Ubuntu Hour on Ubuntu on air [17:47] so, the idea here was to have a hangout with loco members from different places, to start promoting the frequent meetings again. [17:47] elopio: What are your expected outcomes of meeting with the LoCos? [17:48] the good thing was that more people than I expected attented the call. The bad thing was that the call hangout has a limit of 10 people, so a few were left out. [17:48] we gathered some ideas, like using big blue button, and splitting the meeting. [17:49] flexiondotorg: for now, I'm waiting to have an officially elected LoCo council before defining any real plans. [17:50] i was wowed by the activity [17:50] my only expected outcome is to open more options to talk with people from the community. I hope that more regions will start meeting in person, like what we are starting to do in Costa Rica. But we are mostly experimenting, and having fun. [17:50] the loco is definitely not dead [17:50] wxl: what are your thoughts about the ubuntu hour? [17:51] i think it was definitely a success [17:51] i'd like to see that continued [17:52] nice :) I think we have many things to improve, but I'm happy making tweaks as we go. [17:52] now, my idea was to have it twice a month, maybe on the second thursday and last friday of each month, so it's not on the same week as our meetings. [17:53] but, I think that to make it sustainable, the thursday meeting should be at an european friendly timezone, organized by an european. [17:53] wxl: would you like to take care of the friday meeting with me each month? [17:54] yes [17:54] \o/ [17:54] wxl: sorry, missed your ping, what's up? [17:54] #action elopio and wxl will organize an ubuntu hour the fourth friday of each month. [17:54] ACTION: elopio and wxl will organize an ubuntu hour the fourth friday of each month. [17:55] popey: have you ever organized an election? We need help with a few details for the LoCo council one. [17:55] popey: it was about doing the poll for the loco council, but we can talk after the meeting if you're familiar with the process [17:55] I haven't [17:55] dholbach did it usually [17:55] that's why he never replied to me XD [17:55] okay. Thanks popey . We have a plan, and will contact him if we can't solve it without him. [17:56] about the loco hour on the second week of the month, we will have to see if elacheche, marcoceppi, flexiondotorg or somebody else steps up to organize it. [17:57] I can attend it and help with no problem, but I don't think I should organize it too. [17:57] anybody, any questions about this topic, or should we move on with the next? [17:58] #subtopic Bootstrap new, official, Ubuntu flavours [17:59] So, the idea is simple. [17:59] Identify people who are involved in a desktop environment or application that would make a great official flavour. [18:00] Some examples are Cinnamon, Unity 7 (underway), Kodi, Liri... [18:00] The reason for doing this is: [18:00] Attract new developers and members to Ubuntu. [18:00] New flavours drive the news cycle. [18:01] Create documentation to help others create official flavours. [18:01] What do you think? [18:01] I like it. And even if we don't find right away enough people to start those flavours, the exploratory work would be useful to start the community, and maybe in a few months there will be enough people on each one. [18:02] flexiondotorg: do you think we can give some of these tasks to the young people participating in the code-in? I don't know, maybe one of them can create an iso with cinnamon preinstalled. [18:02] So, the action for the CC is to discover the people to reach out to and invite them to work on a flavour. [18:02] i think the Unity one is a good idea [18:02] elopio: I think this is not suitable for GCI [18:02] there's certainly a segment of people that really liked it for some reason [18:02] Because it is not currently documented. [18:03] But I have quite a bit of the process in my head. [18:03] And I'm sure fossfreedom will be good to involve in drafting some docs. [18:03] ok [18:03] I've offered to assist the Unity 7 preservation team. [18:04] flexiondotorg: so, would you like to take the action item of organizing this work? Feel free to send some of the load to us, but I think you are the right person to split the tasks :) [18:04] I will take on this task :-) [18:04] If I need help tracking people down or sending emails etc. I'll request help. [18:04] #action flexiondotorg will organize the work to bootstrap new flavours [18:04] ACTION: flexiondotorg will organize the work to bootstrap new flavours [18:05] since Unity is already in the works that could showcase the larger project, especially if you have work to show for it [18:05] ok, good good. I think we are ready for the next topic. [18:05] #subtopic Ubuntu guerrilla marketing campaign [18:06] So, this idea is to create some engaging "marketing" material that can be easily translated. [18:07] for locos, assumedly [18:07] Then empower the LoCos to run a guerrilla marketing Campaign for Ubuntu. [18:07] Over a specific period of time. [18:07] I love this, because it will help with all our other goals. More noise first, to find the right people to get started working on the hard problems in the following months [18:07] Encourage them to be creative in how they spread to word about Ubuntu. [18:07] Ideally outside out usual bubble. [18:07] I don't know a lot of people who can help, but I think eylul from ubuntu studio might give us a hand. [18:08] So, I think we need help with the creative of the art assets to start with. [18:08] We also need to help define the "adverts". [18:09] They should be fun and interesting to attract peoples attention. [18:09] maybe we can make the ubuntu hours this month about that. Ways to spread the word. [18:09] Once we have the art. We can reach out to locos for translations. [18:09] Then kick off the campaign. [18:09] and we can all blog about something, not very creative but we can ask for help to make better products. [18:09] Yeah, we can use new media and blogs etc. [18:10] we have one awesome flier for the ubuntu hours thanks to Sylvia Ritter. Maybe she can help us with other pieces too. [18:10] But I'm also thinking putting up advets in Libraries, schools, shops, pubs, etc. [18:11] I don't want to prescibe where to place ads. [18:11] :o that would be cool. We could use some of the community funds to finance the prints, right? [18:11] I'd much rather the LoCos get creative, Have fun. And share their ideas so others can repeat. [18:12] I'll find out if community funds can be used. [18:12] Would be great. [18:12] ok, I like it, but I'm not sure what's the next real step. [18:12] wxl Do you think this is worth pursuing? [18:12] absolutely [18:13] If so, I guess the CC action is find artists to help create freely reusable assets. [18:13] I can print and paste in costa rica, inviting people to join the ubuntu hour meeting on the 23rd [18:13] So, I think this is a long play. [18:13] #action everybody from the CC to find artists to help create freely reusable assets. [18:13] ACTION: everybody from the CC to find artists to help create freely reusable assets. [18:13] I imagine it will take some weeks to get a collection of high quality "adverts". [18:14] The same again to get translations. [18:14] what kind of art do we need? [18:14] maybe make a post on the site? [18:14] And then a time window to run the campaign will need to be set and communicated. [18:14] ahoneybun: I have some cheeky ideas. [18:14] lol [18:15] A guitar amplfier with the volume at 11. [18:15] 😆 [18:15] Tagline. Stuck on Windows 10 or macOS X? Ubuntu goes to 11. [18:15] That sort of thing. [18:15] that's pretty good [18:15] YES [18:15] Fun. Bit cheeky. Interesting. [18:16] flexiondotorg: ok, please start a topic on the hub, and we invite artists to join us there. [18:16] OK, will do. [18:16] Perhaps David Revoy would help. [18:16] #action flexiondotorg will start a topic on the hub for guerrilla marketing [18:16] ACTION: flexiondotorg will start a topic on the hub for guerrilla marketing [18:16] And Dave Hingley (contributor to Ubuntu Podcast competition) might to. [18:17] OK, Great. [18:17] Nathan Haines may have contacts too. [18:17] thank you, sounds like it will be awesome [18:18] We can try :-) [18:18] #subtopic Engage the Documentation Team and other stakeholders on the Future Of The Wiki [18:18] popey do you have thoughts about that? ^ [18:18] I think elacheche is the one who knows more about the wiki, right? Anybody else? [18:18] I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING [18:18] OOPS [18:18] I do! [18:18] My feelings are that the wiki in it's current state is not great. [18:19] I would like to see a discussion about what we do with the wiki on the hub [18:19] :) sounds like a great step in the right direction. [18:19] I don't think there's a simple solution. But I welcome the discussion. [18:20] But first I think the problem needs to be clearly articulated [18:20] Before anyone goes off and said "Lets setup mediawiki" or "Lets delete the wiki" or any other rash suggestions :D [18:20] popey: would you like to start that topic with the right words? [18:20] I would be delighted to. [18:20] on our side, we can start pinging people from docs and wiki to participate on the topic. [18:20] oooh making action items for non-council members. i like it :) [18:20] I will add a task to do it tomorrow [18:20] hahah [18:21] My issue is that a lot of content is out of date and only Ubuntu Members can edit the wifi by default. [18:21] So not enough people to maintain/update content. [18:21] #action popey will start a topic on the hub about what to do with the wiki [18:21] ACTION: popey will start a topic on the hub about what to do with the wiki [18:22] I think the content that's currently on the wiki would be more sustainable as topics on the hub, questions on askubuntu and tutorials in tutorials.ubuntu.com [18:24] but maybe there's room for the wiki, for some cases. I guess we will see after we have that discussion on the hub [18:24] Yes, I think we need a wiki. [18:24] But it's scope should be defined. [18:24] #action somebody from the CC to get in touch with the wiki stakeholders. [18:24] ACTION: somebody from the CC to get in touch with the wiki stakeholders. [18:25] that might be elacheche, but pending to see if he agrees. [18:25] Agree ^ [18:25] cool. Last topic. [18:25] #subtopic Google code-in [18:26] I think this should be our top priority for this month, after we finish the loco council election. [18:26] we have one month to find mentors, and get them to fill tasks. [18:26] Yes! [18:26] I agree! [18:27] popey is organizing this, so basically, just help popey in whatever he needs. [18:27] I think everybody from the CC should be a mentor too. And I think, many of the tasks we need to do could be boosted by this event. [18:28] Could the CC reach out to developers to encourage them to participate? [18:28] for example, I will add one for: organize an Ubuntu Hour in your region. [18:28] that [18:28] 's a valid task, right popey? [18:28] Hm, tricky [18:28] Bear in mind these are 13-17 year olds [18:28] might be tricky for some [18:28] Sadly, I need to drop off. [18:28] Catch you next time. [18:29] I would love for all the cc to be mentors [18:29] thanks for coming flexiondotorg ! [18:29] it would set an excellent example [18:29] ok, so [18:29] i intend to be [18:30] #action elopio will convince all the CC to be mentors. [18:30] ACTION: elopio will convince all the CC to be mentors. [18:30] #action everybody from the CC will help to find mentors [18:30] ACTION: everybody from the CC will help to find mentors [18:30] Could all the CC please reply to the thread on the hub to volunteer as mentors? [18:30] https://community.ubuntu.com/t/google-code-in-next-steps-week-44/1218 [18:30] yes [18:31] popey: ubuntu hour on their school? But well, we can discuss about the specific tasks later. [18:31] ya [18:31] ok, popey, something else you might need from us for the code-in? [18:32] Other than what's called for in that thread, no. [18:32] cool. So there are no more items in the agenda for this meeting. [18:32] I will add one more action item [18:33] #action elopio to ping marcoceppi and jose to see why are they not attending these meetings. [18:33] ACTION: elopio to ping marcoceppi and jose to see why are they not attending these meetings. [18:33] wxl: ahoneybun any other topic you would like to discuss? [18:33] not currently nope [18:33] i'm hacking away at the lp api as we speak so should have that poll done in a just a bit [18:34] thank you :) [18:34] I'll copy Martin's style, and finish this meeting in 5... [18:34] 4... [18:34] 3... [18:34] 2... [18:34] 1... [18:34] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:34] Meeting ended Thu Nov 2 18:34:52 2017 UTC. [18:34] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-11-02-17.30.moin.txt [18:35] thank you! I'll prepare the summary in the next days.