[00:10] <Ben64> sruli: well you want weird stuff
[00:13] <albertx> hello
[00:14] <albertx> any?
[00:14] <albertx> for do a ask ?
[00:15] <albertx> can you change interface for KDE ?
[00:17] <bazhang> albertx, change to gnome?
[00:27] <sruli> Ben64: define wierd
[00:29] <albertx> bazhang: excuse me , no , I want KDE
[00:35] <Jordan_U> sruli: Does it require root permissions to write any files to the local directory? Using sshfs shouldn't cause you to need to use sudo where you wouldn't otherwise need to.
[00:35] <sruli> Jordan_U: yes need sudo to write to local dir
[00:37] <Jordan_U> sruli: Then what does that have to do with sshfs? No matter how you access the remote files you'll need root to write them to a local directory (if that local directory requires root permissions to write to).
[00:38] <sruli> Jordan_U: sshfs should not be mounted with sudo, if it's not you cant access the mount with sudo, i dont know of a way to copy the file as user and paste as root
[00:40]  * albertx searching ... interface kde
[00:40] <sruli> Ben64: is there a way with rsync to "--out-format="%n"" to file instead of stdout?
[00:41] <shakermaker> anyone know of a good blog or article on how to move a physical ubuntu os to vmware. without using vmware vCenter tool.
[00:53] <Jordan_U> sruli: Looks like -o allow_other allows other users (including root) to read from an sshfs mount.
[00:54] <Jordan_U> sruli: To use that option as non-root, you'll need to edit /etc/fuse.conf .
[00:54] <sruli> Jordan_U: need ot change ssh config to allow that, i am not sure of the wider implications of setting allow_other in ssh config
[00:54] <sruli> Jordan_U: sorry i meant fuse.conf
[00:54] <Jordan_U> sruli: You do not need to change ssh config, only fuse configuration.
[00:54] <sruli> Jordan_U: not sure of the wider implications of setting that
[00:59] <Jordan_U> sruli: Looks like the allow_other mount option allows any user access to any files (as long as the underlying fuse filesystem allows, for example you'll never be able to read files that require root access on the remote machine if you're logging in to the remote machine as non-root). Adding default_permissions makes it more secure by checking file modes. If you provide allow_root then only root (and the
[00:59] <Jordan_U> mounting user) will be able to access the files.
[01:01] <Jordan_U> sruli: As far as I can tell, the option is not allowed by default only because it might lead to users accidentally giving other users access that they did not intend to give. So it's to save you from shooting yourself in the foot security-wise. So just be careful to aim away from your toes (and probably stick to only using the allow_root mount option, even though you will be uncommenting
[01:01] <Jordan_U> #user_allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf) .
[01:02] <sruli> Jordan_U: will try that, need to reboot after change?
[01:07] <archpc> so, i got ubuntu riced and installed, but now it won't shutdown.. o.O
[01:08] <archpc> it says "A stop job is running for Network Manager 55s / 1min 30 ss"
[01:16] <sruli> Jordan_U: thanks, saved me a bunc of time needing to rewrite my scripts
[01:30] <sruli> if i do "ssh user@server "do something" " does it auto logout when job complete?
[01:31] <Sveta_> you can test it by asking it to do `ls`
[01:31] <sruli> Sveta_: if comes back to my user in terminal, just want to be sure session has closed
[01:32] <Sveta_> i think it should show the directory listing too, i'll check in a moment
[01:32] <Sveta_> yes, `ssh sveta@remoteip ls` shows me the `ls` output at the remoteip machine and then logs out
[01:32] <sruli> Sveta_: yes it execute the "ls" just want to make the session logout
[01:33] <sruli> thanks
[01:33] <Sveta_> i think the answer is 'yes, it does auto logout'
[01:33] <Sveta_> no worries :)
[01:34] <sruli> night all
[01:48] <rfleming> Greetings!
[01:49] <rfleming> I'm having issue using openconnect on Kubuntu 17.10.  I've created the profile, but when I press CONNECT nothing happens.
[01:49] <rfleming> anyone with suggestions?
[01:53] <snapfractalpop> I'm having hard drive errors, but smartctl doesn't show any errors. Is there a simple way to test my drive? (USB drive)
[01:54] <snapfractalpop> I had to run fsck.ext4 and repair the fs, which put a few files in lost+found
[01:55] <rfleming> snapfractalpop: what happened to get errors?  Did your machine prematurely restart?
[01:55] <Majora320_> I think smartctl is solely for debugging SSD-specific problems
[01:56] <Majora320_> s/debugging/diagnosing/
[01:56] <snapfractalpop> rfleming: I'm not sure what the original cause of the errors were.. but I have had the machine go down in a power outage
[01:56] <rfleming> snapfractalpop: that's most likely the cause of your disk errors.
[01:57] <snapfractalpop> rfleming: is there a way to check that all the sectors are ok?
[01:57] <rfleming> smart is only for disk diagnostics on a set number of sensors... used to predict when a disk will fail.
[01:57] <rfleming> snapfractalpop: that's what fsck is for :)
[01:57] <snapfractalpop> I have had other drives go bad where sectors were reported as unusable
[01:58] <rfleming>  but if you want to do a surface scan, you can (I think) use the -c option in fsck
[01:58] <snapfractalpop> rfleming: I used fsck with -p, but I had to go interactive because of the nature of some of the errors
[01:58] <snapfractalpop> I manually said 'y' to everything.. but I want to run another scan to see what's up
[01:59] <snapfractalpop> I also had concerns that my USB controller could have issues.. but I'm not sure if that's a likely scenario
[02:00] <snapfractalpop> and to complicate things further, my syslog is getting spammed with "tag#0 Sense Key : Hardware Error [current] [descriptor]"
[02:00] <snapfractalpop> for a different drive, which is supposedly a false positive
[02:01] <zztopless> still get shared folders working between lubuntu and mint-de vms, despite the windows host my windows laptop being able to access the shares on both.... anyone have any other suggestions, have tried samba for hours, NFS as well
[02:02] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: idk your situation, but maybe a simple http server would suffice?
[02:02] <snapfractalpop> node has a package called http-server
[02:02] <snapfractalpop> and python has python -M SimpleHTTPServer or something like that
[02:03] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Most hard drives are supported : https://www.smartmontools.org/ ; https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/TocDoc ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools .
[02:03] <zztopless> node?
[02:04] <zztopless> I'm wondering if sticking another hdd in mt pfsense box and using one of the file sharing packages might be better in the short term?
[02:04] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: I have some success with doing: sudo smartctl -a -d sat /dev/sdd
[02:05] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: but the option in the gui of the gnome disk utility (disks) is grayed out
[02:05] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: node as in nodejs
[02:05] <zztopless> ah
[02:05] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: if you have it installed.. otherwise, the python one works well too
[02:06] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: but I remember nodejs being faster at bulk transfers over http for some reason in my tests
[02:06] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Can not advise about the GUI interface - never used it myself .
[02:06] <zztopless> k, will have a look at both
[02:07] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: is that command I mentioned the proper way to query the drive? Is this something that the drive will have data on, or do I have to set something up in fstab?
[02:07] <zztopless> I do have python installed,
[02:07] <zztopless> mostly just because it's so often needed to compile packages
[02:08] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: try cd /path/to/share/directory;
[02:08] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: then: python -m SimpleHTTPServer
[02:09] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: then from the other computer (on the same subnet) navigate to it's ip address
[02:09] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: probably something like 192.168.0.xxx
[02:10] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: and add a ":8000" at the end.. or whatever port the server says it's running on
[02:10] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: I have not seen 'sat' - will have to consukt the manual . .. try as ' sudo smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sdd ' . Where you "know" that the target is that 4th drive .
[02:13] <zztopless> ok, will give it a go
[02:13] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: I get "Read Device Identity failed: Invalid argument"
[02:13] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: and "A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options."
[02:14] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: but if I s/ata/sat/ I get some results..
[02:17] <Bashing-om> SmearedBeard: ' sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdd ' let's say presently that we are not accessing with libata such then that 'ata' is invalid .
[02:21] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: this is my output when I use "-d sat" https://ghostbin.com/paste/ygbao
[02:23] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: looking.
[02:23] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: thanks
[02:27] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: That seems good to me . A deeper ( and takes a long time ) test is as ' sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sdd ' .
[02:28] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: ok, I'll try that. That would be a "self test" right?
[02:28] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: is it weird that no errors showed when I had to do fsck?
[02:29] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Yes .. just run the command in terminal .. and wait ---- wait for it   wait .
[02:29] <snapfractalpop> or is smartmon confirming that the hardware is ok, and fsck was showing that the filesystem got messed up somehow?
[02:30] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Depends on what outputs you wanted fsck to report . What is the fsck command that you ran ?
[02:30] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Not at all uncommon for the file system to become inconsistent .. and the hardware is just fine .
[02:31] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: well, at first I just noticed the drive was sluggish, and sometimes not mounting. then I checked /var/log/syslog, and found that it recommended running fsck, so I ran that as "sudo fsck.ext4 -p -C0"
[02:31] <snapfractalpop> and it said that some decisions would need to be made manually..
[02:31] <snapfractalpop> so I ran again without the "-p" and said 'y' to everything..
[02:31] <snapfractalpop> but some files ended up in lost+found, and I didn't see any hardware errors in smartmon
[02:34] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: so now I want to be careful, and check the hardware for errors
[02:34] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Well as you now know ' -p ' : -p trys fixes where response not required . Now I do consider that the file checking routines in fsck are a lot smarter than I am ! . "-y ' : auto answers yes for fixes needing response .
[02:36] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: What led to determinning that sdd was the drive with issues ?
[02:37] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: well, now it is /dev/sde (it's an external usb drive, so the drive letter changes)
[02:38] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: I determine this by "tail -f /var/log/syslog" among other things
[02:38] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Good 'Nuf  - the syslog does not lie :)
[02:39] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: hopefully.. although all this #tag0 spamming makes me wonder..
[02:40] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Is there a change in reported errors when the USB port is changed ?
[02:41] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: for the #tag0 stuff?
[02:41] <zztopless> snapfractalpop: someone strange happened, not sure if it was the python script, but after trying the usual methods, I just put the IP of the other other vm with the shared folder in (just the IP int he location var, no \\ or SMB or suffixed with the shared folder name
[02:41] <zztopless> and suddenly I was in the root of the file system at that IP
[02:42] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: in which directory did you run python -m SimpleHTTPServer?
[02:44] <zztopless> Jus6 checked, it didn't run, I made a typo (missed half the line copying it)
[02:44] <zztopless> weird
[02:44] <zztopless> Sgut
[02:45] <zztopless> sorry, ignore that
[02:45] <zztopless> got 2 horus sleep last night (1:45PM now)
[02:46] <zztopless> I was looking in the other vm, I ran it in the target shared folder, /media/contribute/
[02:46] <zztopless> and in the client vm, when I go into /media I see that folder and one labelled lubuntu
[02:47] <zztopless> for the record there are other folders in media
[02:47] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: wait, these are vms? ah.. I didn't know that.. I'm not sure if there is some NAT happening then..
[02:48] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: are all of these vms in the same subnet?
[02:48] <zztopless> they are, but both running in bridged mode with assigned IPs at the router/firewall (pfsense)
[02:48] <zztopless> yep
[02:49] <zztopless> they can both access various windows shares from computes around my apartment
[02:49] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: that's strange.. I have never had SimpleHTTPServer serve anything but the current directory it was run in
[02:50] <zztopless> And I was testing using was as a TOR/Freenet/I2P server and the other VM and my PC as clients, and that worked fine too
[02:51] <zztopless> well I get a permission error when trying to creat a folder or file, so let's see if I can get that fixed first
[02:52] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: to be clear, the machine with the share folder (lets say it has ip: 192.168.0.3), you cd to /media/contribute, then run python -m SimpleHTTPServer and from the other computer, go to your web browser (chromium, firefox, brave, whatever) and type 192.168.0.3:8000 in the address bar, and that shows you the root directory of the machine with the share?
[02:54] <zztopless> hmm actually not sure if it's working, I had queued up coping the folder structure in /media from the server to the client, via windows.. yep, that's what happened, just have started it
[02:54] <zztopless> been a weird day
[02:55] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: that is strange
[02:55] <zztopless> https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=57475.0 could be promising... my pfsense box is way under-used
[02:56] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: what happens when you run "ll" in the /media/contribute directory?
[02:56] <snapfractalpop> that should show you permissions..
[02:56] <snapfractalpop> and list the files and directories
[02:57] <bloop> looking for a tool like assogiate
[02:57] <bloop> "ubuntu-tweak" doesn't work anymore for me
[02:58] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: btw, I ran the smartctl -t command (I had to specify "-d sat" again), and it seems like the "job" or whatever it might be called went to the background
[02:59] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: the command prompt came back, and there is a message that the Test will be complete in 196 minutes
[02:59] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: I guess the test is running in "offline mode"
[03:00] <zztopless> snapfractalpop: one sec, copying the output gave me unsupported characters
[03:01] <zztopless> total 16
[03:01] <zztopless> drwx------ 1 user user  4096 Nov  2 08:03 ./
[03:01] <zztopless> drwx------ 1 user user 12288 Nov  2 08:05 ../
[03:04] <Bashing-om> snapfractalpop: Yeah .. will take a long time ..
[03:05] <snapfractalpop> Bashing-om: if everything looks ok after the self-test, I wonder then if I could also have a USB bus controller problem..
[03:05] <snapfractalpop> not sure how such a thing could be tested
[03:08] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: so, there is nothing inside that directory?
[03:08] <zztopless> not yet
[03:09] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: the methods I was describing are not writable, AFAIK
[03:09] <zztopless> There will be
[03:10] <snapfractalpop> in other words, using the simple http server in this way will only make those files available to download from other local networked devices, but not to upload
[03:10] <zztopless> That's ok, I'll work it out eventually, appreciate the help
[03:11] <zztopless> That could work as a poor last resort by putting it on the other end an having a script copy the contents periodically, timed with a script and the other end that empties it (to not waste space)
[03:11] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: but if you want to have data going "both directions", you might want to look into ssh
[03:12] <zztopless> Very convoluted compared to a simple shared folder between to OSs that are essentially the same :/
[03:12] <snapfractalpop> I'm pretty sure the default setting for openssh-server is to allow sftp
[03:12] <zztopless> I did have a quick dabble with sshfs earlier
[03:13] <zztopless> I've had success with it in the past, but forgot everything I learned, though I do remember one particular file manager was set up to work really with with it
[03:13] <snapfractalpop> and you can then use the pub keys (usually ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) and append them to the respective authorized keys file
[03:13] <snapfractalpop> (~/.ssh/authorized_keys)
[03:14] <Bashing-om> zztopless: Both boxes 'buntu and in the same house on a shared router ? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159449 .
[03:14] <zztopless> yes
[03:14] <snapfractalpop> then you can have secure sftp, which the file browser can treat as regular local files via sshfs
[03:15] <zztopless> yeah, that's what I was looking at - hopefully works :P
[03:16] <zztopless> Gonna take a break for a few hours, been up since 5am as my GF starts work at insane-people o'clock and her car's being repaired atm
[03:19] <zztopless> Going to bite the bullet and get a NAS in a few weeks (nothing fancy, just large enough to give 10TB of usable space with (probably) RAID5.  Should make sorting out share folders and what not a lot simpler you'd hope
[03:20] <zztopless> what flavour Ubuntu do you use snapfractalpop?
[03:20] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: I'm on UbuntuStudio
[03:21] <snapfractalpop> which uses xfce, so it's a bit like xubuntu, but with lowlatency kernel out of the box
[03:21] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: what are you running?
[03:22] <zztopless> Kubuntu, the Mint-KDE have always been my preferred (the two are very similar)
[03:22] <bloop> http://www.active-technologies.com/content/ubuntu-file-type-control-mime-control
[03:22] <bloop> what happened to assogiate
[03:22] <zztopless> I like lubuntu with it's low footprint when needed
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> zztopless: lets keep it support related mate
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice #ubuntu-discuss channel :p
[03:24] <zztopless> After years of doing most of my work on Kubuntu/Mint (mostly marketing consulting these days, but was a lot more setting up websites for small businesses when i started it), I still use Windows as my host
[03:24] <zztopless> Not sure why
[03:24] <zztopless> sorry
[03:24] <bloop> does anyone know of any file type GUI tool
[03:24] <bloop> ubuntu-tweak doesn't work for me
[03:25] <zztopless> gotta run for a bit, thanks for the help guys, snapfractalpop especially.
[03:25] <snapfractalpop> zztopless: well, good luck on setting it up.
[03:26] <zz-afk> thanks :-)
[03:26] <snapfractalpop> zz-afk: you're welcome
[03:26] <snapfractalpop> zz-afk: be sure to look into ssh though, it's easier than you might think
[03:27] <zz-afk> thanks, will do absolutely
[03:28] <bloop> all I want to do is associate a file type with a portable application in my home folder
[03:28] <bloop> and I don't want to have to make stupid files and use xdg-mime to do it
[03:28] <bloop> i just want to click and click and be done
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> bloop: your on mint?
[03:29] <bloop> no
[03:29] <bloop> ubuntu 16.04
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> bloop: perhaps the #kubuntu guys might know some package?
[03:41] <bloop> this is really dumb
[03:41] <bloop> I put the launcher in /usr/share/applications and it's still not present in "open with" view all applications
[03:42] <bloop> how do people associate programs with file types on ubuntu?
[03:42] <bloop> without hacking out a stupid XML file for each and every single one
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> bloop: https://askubuntu.com/questions/171098/how-do-i-change-a-documents-extension-file-extension-file-format
[03:44] <bloop> my application that I want to associate doesn't show up in the list
[03:44] <bloop> like I just said
[03:44] <bloop> 10 seconds ago
[03:45] <bloop> and for some RIDICULOUS reason... ubuntu doesn't have a browse option
[03:45] <bloop> like windows
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> bloop: calm down mate
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> bloop: wich app are we talking about?
[03:46] <bloop> why does it matter?
[03:46] <bloop> it's a portable app
[03:47] <bloop> i copied the launcher into /usr/share/applications
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> bloop: the more info you give us, the better we can help you
[03:48] <bloop> what I want is a file type and association manager like in ubuntu-tweak
[03:48] <bloop> but it doesn't work anymore and is discontinued
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> bloop: wich extension are we talking about?
[03:54] <bloop> it's sublime text and I want several extensions
[03:55] <bloop> but that doesn't matter
[03:55] <bloop> because the problem is general
[03:56] <SmokinGrunts> HOLY poop! I setup postfix as an SMTP local-send-only server earlier today, started to add sasl to make it remote accessible, checked logs, and WHAMBAM logs -> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[23.227.207.153]: 454 4.7.1 <spameri@tiscali.it>: Relay access denied; from=<spameri@tiscali.it> to=<spameri@tiscali.it> proto=ESMTP helo=<WIN-SSV9OCSUNV0> :o
[03:56] <bcowan> Can’t u just open the file right click and then select the open with?????
[03:56] <FManTropyx> my postfix rejected an email from spameri too :)
[03:57] <SmokinGrunts> I had no idea email spammers were so... active... on little servers
[03:57] <SmokinGrunts> I did find a cool thing though: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/news.admin.net-abuse.email/FluMw5tx0xo
[03:58] <FManTropyx> they probably send to all addresses
[03:58] <SmokinGrunts> was within 15 minutes after setting 'inet_interfaces = all'
[03:58] <FManTropyx> heh
[03:59] <bloop> bcowan, nope
[04:00] <bloop> bcowan, you can only choose from a list of files on your system that were installed a certain way
[04:00] <bcowan> Hmmm I have the option to open with other application here
[04:01] <bloop> bcowan, screenshot
[04:01] <bloop> bcowan, I mean yes
[04:01] <bloop> there is "open with"
[04:01] <bloop> but that list of applications is a list of applications that were installed in a very specific way
[04:01] <bloop> you can't just "browse"
[04:01] <bloop> and select a file like on windows
[04:01] <bloop> for some absurd reason
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> SmokinGrunts: try in #ubuntu-server perhaps?
[04:05] <bcowan> Yeah I see, they send u to the stupid software center too
[04:05] <SmokinGrunts> lotuspsychje, I shall, thanks. Tried here for visibilty first
[04:07] <bloop> i probably can't associate a file type with a program in my home directory because "muh security"
[04:07] <bloop> pffft
[04:11] <rgb-one> Hey
[04:11] <rgb-one> What is the default permissions of the a root owned directory such as /var/www/html/?
[04:14] <snapfractalpop> rgb-one: I have seen that owned by www-data or apache2 user instead of root..
[04:25] <kd7swh> I didn't have luck doing a UEFI install until I did it with a DVD drive
[04:25] <rgb-one> snapfractalpop: I was referring to permissions in the form of 0755 and such
[04:25] <rgb-one> 0755 is the default from what I read
[04:26] <snapfractalpop> rgb-one: yes, 0755 is what I've always seen as well
[04:27] <snapfractalpop> rgb-one: usually, 0755 for directories, and 0644 for files in there
[04:28] <snapfractalpop> rgb-one: but I do not think that is true for all "root" owned directories
[04:32] <rgb-one> snapfractalpop: Oh
[05:36] <ttgg> Need 8GB free space for Windows Update (Win 10-64 bit) | Small SSD, have GRUB 2 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on same SSD with Windows 10 install | Only have 6GB space in the Windows 10 partition free, no way to clear any more without attacking System/SystemResource folders for space |
[05:37] <ttgg> Have unformatted space of 6GB, could use, but only if I convert Disk0 to dynamic disk
[05:37] <ttgg> With dynamic disk conversion in Windows Disk Management, will I lose GRUB 2/Ubuntu function?
[05:37] <ttgg> aka, will it kill my grub setup
[05:38] <ttgg> If I figure this out on my own/hard way I'll report my findings ...
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | ttgg
[05:45] <ttgg> I already have dual boot setup and functioning. This is a disk partition/space management question, really more towards Microsoft because of the dynamic disk conversion would have to be initiated from Windows diskmgmt tool. I figured I'd ask here, since I thought this question would have come up before.
[05:45] <ttgg> It's cool though, I'll figure out a solution.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> ttgg: i think to expand a partition on ubuntu you can chroot from a liveusb, for windows expanding partition, ask i ##windows plz
[05:48] <Desez2tPunk> Hey everyone, I've reformatted my SSD multiple times and can't for the life of me remove GRUB off of it, would clean all from diskpart from a windows 7 install disk remove it 100%?
[05:50] <SmokinGrunts> Desez2tPunk, you try gparted from a liveboot?
[05:50] <Cobrax> Desez2tPunk: have you removed every partition?
[05:50] <ttgg> Desez2tPunk: dban / raw re-write if you're just trying to blow the disk out.
[05:51] <ttgg> sudo dd does all sorts of fun stuff, with the right user
[05:52] <Cobrax> Does dd manipulate the disk directly? Or does it deal with files?
[05:54] <SmokinGrunts> reads and writes raw device files thru kernel
[05:54] <Desez2tPunk> SmokinGrunts: Have not tried gparted from a liveboot, however with a windows install deleted every partition, and true formatted and now trying clean all in diskpart from windows 7 install disc, no usb available. Cobrax, deleted with windows install all partitions.
[05:55] <Desez2tPunk> ttgg: Never heard of it but it seems interesting, will look into for future needs :)
[05:56] <SmokinGrunts> disable safeboot in your bios and use gparted in a liveboot, imo
[05:57] <Desez2tPunk> Technically clean all in diskpart supposedly writes 0 on everything, so I assume that'd get rid of grub, however at this rate I thought a full format woud have gotten rid of it but I was wrong LOL
[05:57] <SmokinGrunts> windows always leaves weird things; ghosts, corruption, problems and issues :P
[06:00] <Desez2tPunk> SmokinGrunts: Oh trust me, I prefer Linux, as of right now I'm running Kali on my laptop haha. Unfortunately this is being done for a friend, it started off as a simple lets move the windows from an HDD to an SSD but the SSD previously had a linux install, so I figured removing all partitions would remove grub and the linux install but to my surprise..... GRUB to the rescue! If only GRUB wasn't this good at staying alive..... (Ha
[06:03] <Cobrax> sounds like you just missed something
[06:05] <alkisg> ttgg: sounds like you have non continuous space, that's why windows wants to make it dynamic. You could; or you could boot into a live cd and *move* the ubuntu installation so that windows gets more continuous space
[06:05] <alkisg> Desez2tPunk: how are you formatting the SSD without removing grub?
[06:06] <SmokinGrunts> also be aware of the differences between an MBR and GPT
[06:07] <SmokinGrunts> also, best bet for Windows ALWAYS: backup your files and do a clean install ;)
[06:09] <Desez2tPunk> alkisg: using a windows 7 install disc I used the command prompt and diskpart to format.
[06:11] <alkisg> Desez2tPunk: sounds like you missed step 6, "clean": http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/005929en
[06:11] <Desez2tPunk> SmokinGrunts: Oh trust me that's the one thing I've aways learned bahaha... I'm attempting to do that now, clean all finally removed grub however the windows install disc is throwing an error saying it can't make a new system partition, which I then made manually and it still won't install (I assumed GRUB was messing with it, guess not.) off to #windows I go
[06:11] <SmokinGrunts> reading material https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Some_basics_of_MBR_v/s_GPT_and_BIOS_v/s_UEFI
[06:11] <alkisg> Formatting a partition isn't the same as clearing the mbr
[06:11] <SmokinGrunts> use gparted or another *nix tool to first clean, then setup your drives/partitions as you'd like. Then run OS installations
[06:12] <Desez2tPunk> alkisg: Tried clean after formatting, and just now did clean all, GRUB removed, now to get dumb windows to install properly. I wish I could just install Linux lol
[06:13] <ttgg> thanks alkisg your solution is the most elegant for my needs. It is trivial to point GRUB to a different mount point for Ubuntu, but moving Windows around in real life, is like moving Windows around in Minecraft.
[06:13] <alkisg> Eh, nowadays installing win10 is quite fast
[06:13] <Desez2tPunk> SmokinGrunts: Thanks for the reading material, I was actually attempting to look into the difference between MBR and GPT
[06:13] <SmokinGrunts> damn, I had a great guide, but it's on my windoze box
[06:13] <SmokinGrunts> np
[06:13] <SmokinGrunts> best to learn when you have the chance; the opportunity provides motivation, which gives like +10 to learning skill
[06:14] <ttgg> Win10 install, just did that about a week ago, was like... 1 hour~ magnitudes faster than 95-ME era installation, that's for sure.
[06:14] <SmokinGrunts> skills stay with you, (some more than others...) and so it's like gold fer yer soul
[06:15] <Cobrax> Isn’t the MBr on the head of the drive?
[06:15] <SmokinGrunts> yep, after firmwares
[06:15] <Cobrax> If you format it, how come it won’t be modified?
[06:15] <SmokinGrunts> cuz windows? dunno heh
[06:15] <alkisg> Cobrax: yes, sector 0. diskpart can format partitions, which start later.
[06:16] <alkisg> Cobrax: it's like formatting /dev/sda1 in linux instead of /dev/sda
[06:16] <Cobrax> Yeah that’s ehat
[06:17] <Cobrax> I figured, if you format the entire drive there should be no GRUB
[06:17] <alkisg> "format" is for partitions, while for mbr there's "clear"
[06:17] <alkisg> Linux is a bit unique in that it can format (mkfs) the whole /dev/sda if someone really wants that
[06:18] <Desez2tPunk> clear all also 0's everything out come to find out, in essence doing clears job, and full formatting
[06:18] <Cobrax> Wiping isn’t needed
[06:19] <Desez2tPunk> Instead of doing clear I had done clear all which removed GRUB, granted took neary an hour for 223GB's lol. I know but we were going to wipe anyways.
[06:19] <Cobrax> it just uses up the lifetime of your drive
[06:19] <Cobrax> Unless you need to hide something
[06:20] <Desez2tPunk> Not that I know of, was just hoping that would for sure get rid of GRUB which I found out it does lol
[06:20] <Cobrax> Does leenux view partitions are seperate devices?
[06:21] <Desez2tPunk> SmokinGrunts: Mind if I PM you?
[06:21] <SmokinGrunts> sure
[06:34] <blahdeblah> Any ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com moderators present?  I've just sent an announcement about a brief downtime which I'd like approved, please.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> blahdeblah: perhaps ask in #ubuntu-ops ?
[06:38] <dax> #ubuntu-ops aren't mailing list moderators
[06:38] <blahdeblah> lotuspsychje: already did - just covering my bases. :-)
[06:39] <blahdeblah> I'm sure the right people will see it eventually; just trying multiple avenues to be sure.
[06:40] <dax> it may be a good idea to ask the people when you find them which avenues they would prefer for future reference, since if I recall correctly this is a recurring thing.
[06:41] <blahdeblah> Anyway, the downtime is at 2017-11-05 23:00 to 00:00 UTC (but hopefully will take much less time than that) - spread the word!  :-)
[06:41] <blahdeblah> Services affected: many Ubuntu/Canonical web sites
[06:43] <blahdeblah> Come see us in #canonical-sysadmin with any questions.
[06:45] <swift110-phone> hey
[06:50] <SmokinGrunts> good shit!
[06:52] <SmokinGrunts> I ain't never seen follow-through like that before. Or at least rarely.
[06:59] <dj_drops> Hi all, I have big problem with keyboard after upgrade fromm 17.04 to 17.10. Previously every works perfect, but after upgrade from time to time my keyboard repeated randomly characters - usualy reboot solves problem. Today   after I wakeup my laptop from suspend mode, problem exist and even reboot not fixed this. The second thing is my touchpad stopped working
[07:00] <dj_drops> Of course I tried google the ssolution, but there is no fix for my problem
[07:02] <dj_drops> currently I changed delay in universal access, but now keyboard have mega lag
[07:03] <SmokinGrunts> dj_drops, what's your kernel version? open a terminal, type 'uname -a'
[07:03] <SmokinGrunts> also what keyboard
[07:04] <dj_drops> 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 11 18:35:14 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:04] <dj_drops> SmokinGrunts: internal in notebook
[07:06] <ReedK0> I'm trying to install lamp-server on Ubuntu.
[07:06] <ReedK0> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-lamp-on-ubuntu this isn't the right place, right?
[07:08] <Ben64> ReedK0: looks fine
[07:08] <ReedK0> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:08] <Ben64> except i guess it isn't 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" anymore
[07:08] <ReedK0> it says php5 isn't in use
[07:08] <SmokinGrunts> hrm. dj_drops I suggest posting a thread on askubuntu, provide all of that info. Someone's going to ask you what your model name of laptop is, what the driver info for the keyboard is, and all that. usual stuff.
[07:08] <Ben64> oh maybe that too
[07:09] <ReedK0> someone told me there's official documents for such things
[07:09] <ReedK0> I think help.ubuntu.org is official?
[07:09] <Ben64> it's the community wiki
[07:10] <dj_drops> SmokinGrunts: thanks
[07:10] <SmokinGrunts> no prob, now go get it solved
[07:11] <SmokinGrunts> ben try 'sudo service apache2 restart'
[07:12] <SmokinGrunts> lol I do things too fast.
[07:12] <SmokinGrunts> disregard
[07:12] <SmokinGrunts> :o
[07:18] <Ionic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases - "Long term support (LTS) releases are for 5 years." sounds weird, I'd add "supported" in-between...
[07:27] <cool_dude> hey i have 2 program or process running i saw that they were running using top command but i want to automate them by automate i mean if 1 process stops/killed ( by user )  other stops automatically.  if one starts other starts as well
[07:29] <cool_dude> for start what i can do is if program is appeard in top command i can run other command
[07:32] <PaulVern> does the RX570 work okay in Ubuntu?
[07:33] <PaulVern> AMD has let me down in the past: 9600XT, 5800, 7950, R9 280X
[07:33] <PaulVern> is the RX series any better?
[07:38] <EndlessMacro> hey
[07:39] <EndlessMacro> trying to run a command at startup, wont work
[07:39] <EndlessMacro> it's the command to restart dropbox
[07:39] <EndlessMacro> in Xubuntu
[07:41] <EndlessMacro> anyone have trouble with crontab or maybe rc.local?
[07:42] <ducasse> EndlessMacro: neither will work for that, there is a settings panel for startup tasks - use that instead
[07:43] <EndlessMacro> i have that window open
[07:43] <EndlessMacro> Dropbox is set to start\
[07:44] <EndlessMacro> but the dropbox icon doesnt works until I run the command
[07:44] <ducasse> make an entry for it under 'application autostart
[07:45] <EndlessMacro> ok i'll try that
[07:45] <EndlessMacro> can you please explain why it doesn't work in crontab or rc.local?
[07:47] <ducasse> those are for system services, run as root, not your user, and have no access to your graphical session (both because of permissions etc and because they run before you even log in)
[07:48] <EndlessMacro> makes sense
[07:50] <cool_dude> hey i have bash script converted into binary shc to to decrypt it so i can change it :)
[07:50] <cool_dude> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/05/encrypt-bash-shell-script/
[07:53] <ducasse> cool_dude: you don't have the original script?
[07:53] <cool_dude> no
[07:54] <ducasse> that might be because you're not intended to mess with it
[07:54] <cool_dude> you can say that this is of challange from a friend
[07:55] <cool_dude> i have to decrypt and tell him that what was a script
[07:55] <ducasse> ok, then it's up to you to figure it out :)
[07:55] <ducasse> this isn't an ubuntu issue, sorry.
[07:56] <SmokinGrunts> how can I get my CA authority to get back to me in a timely manner?
[07:56] <cool_dude> then which channel would help me ?
[07:58] <SmokinGrunts> https://github.com/yanncam/UnSHc
[07:58] <SmokinGrunts> tgfgit
[07:59] <cool_dude> thanks SmokinGrunts
[07:59] <SmokinGrunts> ye
[08:03] <EndlessMacro> ducasse, i found solution, i had to disable dropbox at startup, then add a new entry like you said
[08:04] <EndlessMacro> ducasse, if i dont disable the default dropbox app in startup window, it doesnt work
[08:06] <ducasse> EndlessMacro: you'll only need that entry, correct.
[08:30] <cool_dude> how hard it is to decrypt oppenssl encrypted file without password ?
[08:30] <zamba> i'm trying to boot ubuntu, but it's stuck at "A start job is running for Login to default ISCSI targets (7min 51s / no limit)"
[08:30] <zamba> and that is still counting
[08:30] <zamba> how can i stop that?
[08:30] <zamba> and that "no limit" is just completely and utterly stupid
[08:31] <Ben64> cool_dude: impossible
[08:31] <cool_dude> why
[08:31] <cool_dude> i have very powerful gpu
[08:31] <Ben64> ...because it's encrypted, that's it's job
[08:32] <cool_dude> i have root access
[08:32] <cool_dude> p100 gpu
[08:32] <mutante> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/548617  | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1583952
[08:32] <cool_dude> on cloud
[08:32] <mutante> zamba: ^
[08:33] <cool_dude> any decryption method
[08:33] <Ben64> cool_dude: ok then it might only take you 26975707677015035472426 years
[08:33] <mutante> zamba: iscsi=false
[08:33] <cool_dude> how much power is needed ?
[08:34] <Ben64> depends how long the key is
[08:34] <mutante> cool_dude: only the NSA might know the answer to that
[08:34] <cool_dude> 10-12 digits probably
[08:34] <Ben64> don't guess
[08:34] <cool_dude> with salt
[08:35] <cool_dude> not more then 15 for sure
[08:35] <Ben64> that's not a key
[08:35] <cool_dude> aes-256-cbc
[08:35] <Ben64> will take forever
[08:36] <mutante> cool_dude: if you'd be able to do this, the Internet would be broken
[08:36] <cool_dude> but people even hack ssl
[08:36] <cool_dude> so short answer is ?
[08:36] <Ben64> no
[08:39]  * cool_dude off-topic : what is difference openssl certificate and openssl file encryption ?
[08:45] <ducasse> cool_dude: short answer is "you can't crack aes"
[08:45] <ducasse> cool_dude: and for your other question, if you know it's offtopic, why ask here at all?
[08:46] <cool_dude> because openssl channel on irc is not online
[08:46] <cool_dude> i know difference but want to conform
[08:46] <auronandace> cool_dude: that doesn't make this the channel to ask in
[08:47] <cool_dude> hmm
[08:47] <cool_dude> sorry for that
[08:47] <deiks> \o/
[08:47] <deiks> Hi :)
[08:47] <ducasse> cool_dude: did you use ##openssl? 176 people in there...
[08:47] <cool_dude> yes
[08:48] <cool_dude> no answer :9
[08:48] <cool_dude> :(
[08:48] <cool_dude> nm
[08:49] <cool_dude> hmm aes is unhackable
[08:49] <mutante> cool_dude: that might be because the way the question is phrased currently sounds a bit like "comparing apples to oranges"
[08:49] <cool_dude> hmm
[08:49] <cool_dude> ssl vs encryption lol
[08:50] <cool_dude> hey is ppa esay to manage
[08:51] <cool_dude> or i should be expert in that ?
[08:51] <SmokinGrunts> should I marry a wife, or buy a hooker?
[08:51] <SmokinGrunts> marry a hooker and buy a wife?
[08:52] <mutante> double rot-13 encryption
[08:52] <ducasse> cool_dude: if you know nothing about building from source and debian/ubuntu packaging, you need to read up on it first.
[08:53] <SmokinGrunts> they'll sing ballads at my funeral of the man that 'really did it.'
[08:54] <cool_dude> thanks ducasse
[08:54] <SmokinGrunts> cool_dude is just keepin' us on our collective toes.
[08:54]  * SmokinGrunts shakes cool_dude's hand
[08:55]  * cool_dude shakes SmokinGrunts’s hand 
[08:55] <cool_dude> lol
[08:55] <SmokinGrunts> lets go buy hookers.
[08:55] <deiks> Hey guys, I recently updated myself from Win10 to Ubuntu 17.10 (Tried even before, but it didn't worked for me becouse could not get proper display resolution even with cvt, xrandr etc.), but with latest version, it works fine. But now I have another issue. Since I'm using Skype a lot, everyday for communication with coworkers, parents etc., I'm somehow forced to use it. My issue is that I'm getting annoying crackling sound while on c
[08:56] <deiks> Has someone got in that trouble, and possibly solved it?
[08:56] <mutante> deiks: your first line got off after "crackling sound while on c"
[08:57] <mutante> cut
[08:57] <SmokinGrunts> stop getting the latest and greatest. it's never actually that. get LTS. Don't ever get a new windows release unless it's at least a year-and-a-half-old. damn.
[08:57] <cool_dude> 16.04 lts
[08:57] <SmokinGrunts> ye
[08:57] <cool_dude> personal choice
[08:58] <deiks> mutante: My issue is that I'm getting annoying crackling sound while on call..
[08:58] <deiks> thats all :)
[08:59] <mutante> deiks: it almost sounds like it might be a hardware issue, like the plug on the cable on a headset?
[08:59] <mutante> re" crackling sounds"
[09:00] <SmokinGrunts> there could be an issue with: driver issues, spurious high-power electromagnetic emissions nearby, a shoddy partial break-in-the-wire going to speakers, a bad jack connection, or probably ghosts in the machine
[09:01] <alkisg> Or bad echo reduction code from skype
[09:01] <SmokinGrunts> honestly, it's gotta be lack of hookers
[09:01] <alkisg> Try writing your voice in some other software to see if there are cracks there
[09:01] <alkisg> SmokinGrunts: it's a support channel, maybe join #ubuntu-offtopic for chat...
[09:01] <ducasse> SmokinGrunts: we try to keep this channel family friendly, so please drop that
[09:02] <SmokinGrunts> my bad, I couldn't resist...
[09:02] <SmokinGrunts> I'm sorry, sincerely
[09:02] <deiks> mutante: on windows working very well while skyping, also on ubuntu works fine with youtube etc., just problem with skype.. and same with audio card output, and headset usb
[09:02] <SmokinGrunts> just fall-back to most likely a driver issue with sound
[09:03] <akik> deiks: do your call partners also hear the crackling or is it only on your end? did you use the skype test call to test?
[09:03] <SmokinGrunts> what kernel and soundcard driver do ye have?
[09:03] <akik> deiks: there was just a big version update for skypeforlinux. it went from 5.5 to 8.9
[09:04] <deiks> just me, and also same with test call. But sometimes crackling leaves, and I can hear fine
[09:04] <SmokinGrunts> could be pulseaudio latency: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164959
[09:04] <deiks> then, again, it returns
[09:04] <SmokinGrunts> hardware is intermittent, from my experience: https://askubuntu.com/questions/617160/crackling-during-skype-calls-what-can-i-do
[09:05] <SmokinGrunts> check yo cord
[09:07] <SmokinGrunts> you can test by doing a recording, and jiggling (GENTLY) the area around where the headset/microphone connects
[09:07] <SmokinGrunts> that'll rule out hardware
[09:07] <akik> deiks: also test with another headset
[09:07] <SmokinGrunts> at least, external hardware
[09:10] <deiks> akik: didn't tried with another headset, but two ways works same.. sound card on one side and headset on another
[09:11] <akik> deiks: i didn't quite understand
[09:12] <deiks> well, I'm getting same problem if using headset (USB), or without headset
[09:14] <SmokinGrunts> could be the jack, if it get a lot of use deiks
[09:15] <SmokinGrunts> but if I were ye, I'd try every software avenue first
[09:15] <akik> SmokinGrunts: he gets the crackling also without using the jack
[09:15] <SmokinGrunts> oic
[09:16] <SmokinGrunts> prolly i/o then
[09:17] <akik> deiks: have you tested other video calling apps except skype?
[09:20] <deiks> I didn't, but will later when get back to home :) Could be something general for "calling", dunno
[09:34] <SG_Sleeps> why's one of my KVM guests have a nicely colored terminal when I SSH into it remotely, but another isn't so nicely colored?
[09:34] <SG_Sleeps> all systems are 16.04
[09:34] <BeardBr0> Good morning, my rig running Ubuntu 17.10 crashed earlier and now during boot I get a message that disappears way too quickly to read all of it. Something about connecting to lvmetad. Where could I see this full error message?
[09:35] <alkisg> SG_Sleeps: echo "$PS1$PS2" to see the variables that make up the prompt
[09:35] <SG_Sleeps> dmesg
[09:35] <alkisg> Ah, is that the whole terminal, and not just the prompt?
[09:35] <ktechmidas> dmesg | less
[09:36] <ktechmidas> I think journalctl also works these days...
[09:36] <alkisg> Is mini.iso dd'able to a usb stick?
[09:37] <SG_Sleeps> server 1: \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ >
[09:37] <SG_Sleeps> server 2: \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ >
[09:37] <SG_Sleeps> different terminal color-escape codes?
[09:37] <farciarz84> if subcomponent of my software is using Apache 2.0 licence, do I have to follow it or can I use MIT?
[09:38] <SG_Sleeps> yeh, justa buncha color differences. but why...?
[09:40] <BeardBr0> Good morning, my rig running Ubuntu 17.10 crashed earlier and now during boot I get a message that disappears way too quickly to read all of it. Something about connecting to lvmetad. Where could I see this full error message?
[09:40] <alkisg> BeardBr0: people here answered you already about dmesg and journalctl...
[09:40] <BeardBr0> oh man
[09:41] <BeardBr0> sorry I didnt mean to do that :/
[09:46] <SG_Sleeps> BeardBr0, check /var/log
[09:46] <SG_Sleeps> also ^^ those other things
[09:47] <BeardBr0> Alright so besides not paying attention I could use some help. This error that I am seeing is on a clean install and what ends up happening is when the computer boots up my secondary monitor (in portrait) is where the login prompt gets displayed but in landscape
[09:48] <BeardBr0> Im not sure if there is anything else that happens but for examply the nvidia x server wont launch and randomly Ill have apps that get stuck
[09:49] <BeardBr0> the install media checks itself out and I believe my SSD also is alright
[09:52] <SG_Sleeps> using proprietary or else?
[09:52] <SG_Sleeps> proprietary driver*
[09:53] <BeardBr0> yes correct
[09:53] <BeardBr0> legit question, should I not be?
[09:53] <SG_Sleeps> def legit
[09:53] <SG_Sleeps> annoying I bet
[09:53] <SG_Sleeps> tis either a driver or an xserver issue for sure
[09:54] <SG_Sleeps> didja try a community release?
[09:54] <BeardBr0> nope, I dont know how
[09:54] <SG_Sleeps> check this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/126857/dual-monitor-configuration-with-one-in-landscape-mode-and-the-other-in-portrait
[09:54] <BeardBr0> I got basic things down kinda even with KDE earlier I was running into random crashes
[09:55] <alkisg> Maybe try an lts version like 16.04?
[09:55] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, so thats not a problem
[09:55] <BeardBr0> after I login everything is normal
[09:55] <SG_Sleeps> oh check flags for grub video
[09:55] <SG_Sleeps> prolly?
[09:55] <BeardBr0> but prior to having that crash and when I had everything configured for ~3 days it just worked
[09:56] <BeardBr0> no idea what that means
[09:56] <SG_Sleeps> okay this is my last one tonight, I swear!
[09:56] <BeardBr0> @alkisg, yeah if I cant figure out what that message I am seeing at boot is I might as well
[09:56] <alkisg> BeardBr0: doesn't it show up in `dmesg` ?
[09:57] <SG_Sleeps> alright, hookers. Just kidding. It's gotta be rotation somewhere in xserver config
[09:57] <SG_Sleeps> I mean not 'gotta,' but 'maybe'
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:57] <BeardBr0> @alkisg, no sorry I dont see it if I search for like key words nothing shows up
[09:58] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, no worries thank you for your help. I dont want to keep you if you need to get some sleep
[09:58] <R13ose> 3/4's of my screen us white and the rest is gray.  I am using kde.  How do I fix this?
[09:58] <SG_Sleeps> I don't even know what it is... I just lay there and suddenly sometimes it's a new day... it's some weird magician's trick, I'm sure...
[09:58] <alkisg> R13ose: if you logout to the display manager, does it work fine?
[09:59] <R13ose> alkisg: can't logout, unless there is a shortcut, I can try
[09:59] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, lol time traveller
[09:59] <SG_Sleeps> :/
[09:59] <alkisg> R13ose: you have autologin enabled?
[09:59] <R13ose> Nope.
[10:00] <alkisg> R13ose: so then you do see the login screen when the pc boots
[10:00] <alkisg> Is that affected?
[10:01] <SG_Sleeps> fresh install of what version, what is 'uname -a' output, what version proprietary nvidia driver is being used, and is this only upon first-boot?
[10:01] <R13ose> alkisg: this is when I can run applications not before.
[10:02] <alkisg> R13ose: that doesn't answer my question. When Kubuntu boots, you see the login screen where you enter the username/password to login. Does the display work fine there?
[10:02] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, you talking to me?
[10:02] <SG_Sleeps> ye
[10:02] <R13ose> alkisg: yes
[10:02] <SG_Sleeps> srys
[10:03] <alkisg> R13ose: ok then the problem sounds specific to kde, which I don't use, sorry
[10:03] <R13ose> Grrrrr
[10:03] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, Linux BeardBr0-MS 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 11 18:35:14 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:04] <BeardBr0> And yeah that error message is appearing every boot
[10:04] <SG_Sleeps> okies, now nvidia driver release version
[10:04] <SG_Sleeps> shit I dunno what the grep would be for dmesg here
[10:05] <BeardBr0> @R13ose, I was trying out KDE but man oh man random app/menu crashes I gave up
[10:05] <R13ose> Gnome is better?
[10:05] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, is there a way that I can pause boot when that error appears?
[10:05] <SG_Sleeps> there's a log somewhere, or a way to -v a log
[10:05] <BeardBr0> @R13ose, lol if mine was stable yeah it seems snappier and doesnt glitch out coming out of sleep
[10:06] <SG_Sleeps> hrm
[10:06] <BeardBr0> @R13ose, but it does take a bit of getting used to
[10:06] <akik> R13ose: kubuntu 16.04 here working fine, using intel graphics
[10:06] <R13ose> Okay
[10:07] <SG_Sleeps> BeardBr0, try 'nvidia-smi'
[10:07] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, the output is pretty but what am I doing with it?
[10:07] <SG_Sleeps> version number
[10:08] <BeardBr0> | NVIDIA-SMI 384.90
[10:08] <BeardBr0> same for driver
[10:08] <SG_Sleeps> okay. next best bets are to use that in your searches, and also post it on either stack or askubuntu. but I bet it's a rotation setting somewhere...
[10:09] <SG_Sleeps> :/
[10:09] <BeardBr0> @SG_Sleeps, no worries thank you once again :/
[10:09] <SG_Sleeps> aye
[10:09] <SG_Sleeps> pass it on when ya can
[10:09] <wiking> Anybody knows how one should generate multi version ppa and that you dont have a conflict with the same <source>.orig.gz ?
[10:09] <BeardBr0> Im good at working with Windows rig. but I will when I can
[10:10] <BeardBr0> brb
[10:11] <wiking> I'm using debuild -S -sa -uc -us to generate the files, but I guess I should be doing something differently ... as currently if I want to create both xenial and trusty ppa packages there's a file collision because they would both upload the same orig source file
[10:15] <aquza> i was downloading vim from git and i was trying to use make in vim/src. xubuntu is telling me no path for c compiler??
[10:16] <BeardBr0> Oh man I got the error message
[10:18] <BeardBr0> WARNING: Failed to connec to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning
[10:19] <mutante> aquza: apt-get install gcc ?
[10:20] <rory> aquza: sudo apt install build-essential
[10:20] <aquza> i thought
[10:20] <aquza> its bassed installed?
[10:24] <theelous3> hi. trying to install. both ubuntu and xubuntu hang on the splash screen. when I remove quiet splash I get to a tty, and can login
[10:24] <theelous3> randomly it will give errors about a soft lockup on cpu#3, with [gpu-manager:1494]
[10:25] <nwinter> !info vpn
[10:25] <nwinter> !info openvpn
[10:25] <theelous3> this is 16.04, btw
[10:26] <tatertots> theelous3: do you get the same symptom(s) with other linux distributions? yes or no...the only other acceptable response is "i don't know because i haven't tried other distributions"
[10:27] <theelous3> tatertots: same with xubuntu, arch locks up on lspci
[10:27] <theelous3> 17.10 insta freezed when trying to use xorg based de
[10:28] <theelous3> lspci also locks up this tty
[10:28] <tatertots> theelous3: when i use the term or phrase "other distributions" ideally something that absolves canonical
[10:28] <tatertots> theelous3: but i understand
[10:29] <theelous3> yeah, I'm pretty sure the issue is with polling lspci generally, as it's the same issue on ubuntu tty, and arch term
[10:29] <theelous3> this may not really be exactly ubuntu specific, but it's the distro I want and am viewing the issue through, hope it's ok to ask here
[10:30] <tatertots> theelous3: let's pretend that you found out the exact same "symptom(s)" occur in centOS,fedora,suse,redhat,debian,linuxmint. That would suggest your symptoms are NOT specific to any disto
[10:31] <theelous3> some background: I had 16.04 working perfectly until I installed bumblebee and added a line to grub kernel options. This killed the install. Current issues are attempts at reinstalls
[10:31] <theelous3> tatertots: yes, agreed
[10:31] <tatertots> theelous3: and that your symptom(s) appear to stay isolated to the hardware pc.
[10:32] <theelous3> they do indeed. my dualboot in to windows is available and working without issue. Last night I was randomly able to get the 17.1 live cd working and installed, but ran in to the issues with X I mentioned
[10:33] <theelous3> I presume that was thanks to wayland just keeping the problem at bay though, rather than anything working correctly
[10:33] <tatertots> theelous3: sadly most users will instinctively try to avoid doing any steps to trouble shoot to isolate their complaints or symoptoms
[10:33] <arunkumar413> how to upgrade ubuntu  to the latest version
[10:34] <theelous3> tatertots: am willing to jump through as many hoops as possible
[10:34] <theelous3> required* :P
[10:34] <hateball> !upgrade | arunkumar413
[10:34] <tatertots> theelous3: saying your symptom(s) do not occur in windows isn't as useful or valid as you think on the surface. It's whats called a "apples vs oranges" comparison.....in short you can't compare them...they are two different things
[10:35] <tatertots> theelous3: that's why i specifically asked if you had observed your symptoms occur in other "linux" distributions
[10:35] <theelous3> yeah I know, just trying to give as much context as I can
[10:35] <tatertots> apples vs apples
[10:35] <tatertots> oranges vs oranges
[10:35] <theelous3> I'm not a particularly advanced troubeshooter re: this kind of issue
[10:37] <tatertots> theelous3: you don't need to be an advanced trouble shooter...i started this off pretend that you found out your symptoms were NOT specific to any distro to kinda not only to get you mentally engaged in trouble shooting but to also make a demarcation point
[10:40] <theelous3> consider me mentally prepared
[10:41] <tatertots> theelous3: start downloading some other linux distro iso file
[10:41] <theelous3> i have arch here, will that do?
[10:41] <tatertots> theelous3: depending on your net speed, and how fast you are at preparing boot/installation media..are things you can be doing in the background
[10:42] <theelous3> (arch suffers the same lspci hang I get from ubuntu tty, but I can whip up a bootable anyway)
[10:42] <tatertots> theelous3: see that's good...demarcation
[10:43] <tatertots> theelous3: so we've manged to absolve canonical and most likely every other linux distro right there
[10:43] <tatertots> theelous3: and all before i had a chance to put on coffee
[10:43] <theelous3> :)
[10:49] <xtron> ls
[10:49] <xtron> ping
[10:56] <xtron> anyone there?
[10:57] <EriC^^> !ask | xtron
[11:07] <xtron> EriC^^: I was building yocto and my ubuntu machine crashed (logout out), I need to findout the reason of crash, How can I?
[11:15] <tatertots> xtron: you would need to be able to "debug" and or perform an logical analysis on the computer in question. The results of such an analysis is ideal data to be used to aid in solving or enlightening you as to "reason(s) of crash.
[11:16] <tatertots> xtron: or you can take the illogical approach and just throw stuff at a wall and pray/hope something sticks
[11:35] <xtron> tatertots: I think this due to Desktop environment crash (gnome), If I invoke the build in terminal mode (ctrl+alt+1) it works good
[11:37] <LaurenceLumi> where is the correct place to ask questions about the backportpackage command?
[11:37] <Daneel> hi
[11:38] <Daneel> i run an "apt-get -y upgrade in a cron. and now it is blocked in waiting interactive answer to a question
[11:38] <Daneel> https://gist.github.com/Dan33l/01fbc3da9a28c254b92d820254396ca8
[11:38] <Daneel> how to move from this situation ?
[11:41] <Daneel> i don't understand why postix search to reconfigure an already configurer system
[11:48] <dfer> i've removed the locales package but it removed all the compiled locales
[11:48] <dfer> how can I remove it properly?
[11:48] <dfer> *"locales"
[11:52] <dfer> should i just remove its files manually?
[11:55] <xtron> I'm using tty1 for yocto build and tty7 as GUI desktop environment, but it's freezing (super slow) but point is why my CPU fans are not throutling at full speed, I think different tty are independent users so this should work anyway
[11:55] <blip-> hi all, had a power failure when my desktop was turned on.  I boot in again, the wallpaper I've had for months, the xfce panel settings etc.. have all reset to default.  how can that happen?
[11:57] <brainwash> xtron: I don't understand what you are trying to describe
[11:58] <brainwash> blip-: is that the same user account?
[11:59] <blip-> brainwash, yes :/  very odd. xfce settings got corrupted perhaps?
[11:59] <bencoman> hi, I've recently installed Ubuntu 16.04 and hit one frustrating behaviour.  I minimised a few terminal windows and they are hidden so I can't maximise them again.  An image of them all shows up when I double-click the terminal icon in the launcher bar, but I when I click on them, they just go away.
[11:59] <xtron> brainwash: first I want to ask, this is a good practice to invoke cpu demanding tasks in terminal mode tty1 and keep working on web in GUI desktop, if it is,,, then why my system is responding slow
[12:00] <brainwash> blip-: not sure if that's the case. the settings are located in ~/.config/xfce4/
[12:00] <bencoman> A new terminal I started since then similarly shows its snapshot when I double-click the launcher terminal icon, and I can bring focus to that one, but still clicking on the older ones doesn't select them.
[12:02] <brainwash> xtron: it's not a good idea. a cpu hogging task will bring down system performance in any case
[12:02] <dfer> why can't I remove locale generation data w/o removing the locales themselves in ubuntu?
[12:03] <blip-> brainwash, thanks. yeah it all looks default. even Thunar settings have reset
[12:03] <brainwash> xtron: maybe try with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_(Unix)
[12:03] <xtron> brainwash: reason was, during yocto build my desktop environment crashes (logout the running session, even build was running in background) so I comeup with this idea
[12:03] <brainwash> blip-: that's really odd though
[12:04] <bencoman> In the title bar there is only one an icon to close the terminal window, but none to maximise.
[12:04] <Repox> Hey guys. I'm trying to do a MySQL dump locally through SSH; I'm issuing this command "ssh user@myserver.com mysqldump --opt --where='1 limit 100000' -h external.host.com -ppassword -u user database > testdump.sql" but I'm getting this error: mysqldump: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user 'user'@'%' to database 'limit' when selecting the database. - When issuing the same command on the server it works fine.
[12:05] <brainwash> xtron: I guess that could happen when your build process is using a huge amount of RAM
[12:07] <xtron> brainwash: nope, I've 16GiB RAM core i7 so this is not a problem, RAM usage was 4 GiB at time of crash, I think due to heavy CPU utilization Desktop Environment crashes
[12:07] <brainwash> Repox: I would ask in the mysql channel
[12:08] <bencoman> xtron: just the obvious, you could use `nice`.
[12:08] <brainwash> I already suggested that
[12:08] <Repox> brainwash I'll try that, thanks.
[12:08] <brainwash> also, check your system log files with journalctl
[12:09] <xtron> bencoman: what is nice?
[12:09] <brainwash> I've linked you the wiki article..
[12:10] <brainwash> 7 minutes ago
[12:10] <bencoman> see link above by brainwash
[12:11] <xtron> brainwash: yup, got it, but how it is related to GUI crash?
[12:11] <xtron> i can invoke make with -j8 flag to use all 8 cores
[12:11] <brainwash> you said: "I think due to heavy CPU utilization Desktop Environment crashes"
[12:12] <xtron> brainwash: so you mean I should decrease the load?
[12:13] <brainwash> run the build process with a lower priority
[12:13] <brainwash> that should make the desktop more responsible
[12:13] <brainwash> and less likely to crash I'd think
[12:15] <swensson> Is it possible to remove the first lines that gets printed at logon? (Motd.... "Documentation: ............" etc)?
[12:17] <brainwash> it is possible
[12:19] <brainwash> I think I did it by commenting out the motd related lines in /etc/pam.d/login
[12:21] <turbo64> i have a problem with a wxwidgets app not using my gtk theme in xubuntu
[12:21] <swensson> brainwash, I found some files at /etc/update-mot.d/
[12:21] <swensson> Going to comment out the 10-help-text and try that ;D
[12:23] <brainwash> swensson: a package update may revert those files back to their original state
[12:24] <swensson> Ah, good to know! Making a copy of the files so it's just copy & paste if that happens, thanks for the tip brainwash ;D
[12:25] <brainwash> turbo64: does your wxwidgets app use the gtk backend?
[12:30] <R13ose> Hi
[12:37] <turbo64> brainwash: i think so, its pcsx2
[12:37] <turbo64> but i think it might be something to do with multiarch because its a 32bit app
[12:38] <brainwash> turbo64: best to run it from a terminal window. see if it gives you some error or warning messages
[12:40] <turbo64> i dont get any error messages
[12:42] <turbo64> oh wait nevermind its showing them when i run it with the --help argument
[12:42] <turbo64> (PCSX2:9813): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[12:42] <turbo64> it says that a bunch of times
[12:43] <brainwash> aha
[12:43] <turbo64> ah i figured it out
[12:43] <turbo64> the pcsx2 package doesnt include gnome-themes-standard:i386 as a dependency
[12:44] <brainwash> you probably only need gtk2-engines-pixbuf:i386
[12:45] <brainwash> is that the pcsx2 package from the ubuntu repos?
[12:48] <zxcv1729> anyone have issues with gnome-shell freezing on 17.10?
[12:50] <brainwash> zxcv1729: did you test with gnome xorg?
[12:50] <zxcv1729> brainwash: yes
[12:50] <zxcv1729> brainwash: stil happens
[12:50] <zxcv1729> it unfreezes by itself after some 10-20 seconds
[12:50] <zxcv1729> while frozen only mouse cursor is usable, everything else including keyboard doesn't respond
[12:51] <brainwash> I suggest checking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[12:52] <nathaneltitane> running a fresh install of ubuntu 17.10 and currently experiencing a freeze after waking up from sleep - anyone else have this issue?
[12:53] <brainwash> I was just checking some gnome related bug reports :)
[12:54] <brainwash> bug 1728143
[12:54] <brainwash> nathaneltitane: did you test with gnome xorg instead of gnome wayland?
[12:54] <codepython7771> My new 16.04.3 install boots to the grub prompt by default. I've to type exit to get to ubuntu. Anyone knows an easy way to fix this?
[12:56] <AydinChavez> hi all, when trying "sudo apt-get install libmagickwand-dev" I get "libmagickwand-dev : requires: libmagickwand-6.q16-dev but is not going to be installed" (translated from German)
[12:56] <AydinChavez> (I use mint sonya which uses ubuntu 16.04 xenial repos)
[12:57] <auronandace> !mint | AydinChavez
[12:57] <AydinChavez> ok thank you, will do!
[12:58] <brainwash> codepython7771: you get no error message?
[12:58] <codepython7771> brainwash: I just ran memory tests on the system, lots of memory errors
[12:58] <codepython7771> brainwash: need to get new memory I am guessing
[12:59] <brainwash> I guess so
[13:09] <srp> hello
[13:10] <srp> why is it that my jupyter notebook does not "see" my Python3?
[13:10] <srp> and will only allow me to create Python2 notebooks
[13:10] <srp> ?
[13:15] <brainwash> srp: I suggest asking in #ipython
[13:15] <srp> brainwash, thank you
[13:17] <R13ose> Hi
[13:18] <R13ose> 3/4 of my screen is white and rest gray.  Using kde.  How do I fix this?
[13:19] <FManTropyx> is anyone here using the VICE emulator for Commodore 64? I am wondering, where I should put the ROM images... the man page only says that the documentation is available at /usr/local/lib/vice/doc/vice_toc.html, but this does not exist! (the lib/vice directory)
[13:19] <FManTropyx> this makes me a sad panda
[13:20] <brainwash> R13ose: this only happens while using KDE, and not on the login screen or during boot time?
[13:21] <R13ose> Nope.  Only when fully logged in
[13:22] <brainwash> mmh. I would ask in #kubuntu or #kde
[13:22] <brainwash> they probably know how to debug this
[13:22] <brainwash> FManTropyx: did you compile and install it yourself?
[13:23] <R13ose> Thanks
[13:23] <FManTropyx> no, from the official repository
[13:24] <brainwash> does /usr/lib/vice/doc/vice_toc.html exist?
[13:24] <brainwash> without the "local"
[13:24] <brainwash> other than that, you could use the online docs http://vice-emu.sourceforge.net/vice_toc.html
[13:29] <Menzador> So Ubuntu 17.10 was raved over so much that I decided to stick it on hard meta.
[13:29] <Menzador> *metal.
[13:31] <FManTropyx> *** System restart required *** :(
[13:34] <FManTropyx> brainwash, yes! and the 'doc' is a link to /usr/share/doc/vice/ where there is a html subdirectory - might want to update this in the man page :) thanks!!!
[13:40] <briian> anyone here ever used pdftk? trying to find docs on how to overwrite files with it
[13:40] <briian> after merging two pdfs
[13:41] <ericus> what's the cons of using a NTFS formated HDD in Ubuntu?
[13:41] <auronandace> ericus: define "using"
[13:41] <ericus> auronandace for storage, mainly backup from a win-machine
[13:42] <auronandace> ericus: i use an ntfs partition for storage, works great
[13:43] <Menzador> Why can't I turn the Ubuntu dock off properly in GNOME Tweaks?
[13:43] <ericus> I have dual boot just for gaming, but I have not tried so much of storing from Ubuntu
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> briian: can manpage help?
[13:43] <briian> lotuspsychje: will check
[13:43] <briian> nah i saw the web version of that
[13:44] <briian> it says to use dont_ask
[13:44] <auronandace> ericus: what are you planning to store on the ntfs partition from ubuntu?
[13:44] <briian> but when i put dont_ask at the end of the command it just breaks
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: ubuntu dock is now by default on 17.10
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: perhaps dconf-editor might be able to disable?
[13:44] <brainwash> ericus: speed may be an issue
[13:44] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: If it's a GNOME Shell extension like it purports to be this is a bad implementation issue.
[13:45] <ericus> auronandace backups from a Windows Server and on the Win-server backups from /home
[13:45] <Menzador> i.e., I shouldn't need to use GSettings to disable it
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: they forked it specially for ubuntu 17.10, so not sure you can disable
[13:45] <auronandace> ericus: i'm not sure about linux file permissions on an ntfs partition
[13:45] <Menzador> Fair enough... but if it's not supposed to be "disabled," there shouldn't be a switch in GNOME Tweaks :P
[13:46] <leftyfb> doesn't gnome tweak just modify gsettings for a lot of things?
[13:46] <auronandace> ericus: my ntfs partition i use for storing files such as documents, music and videos
[13:47] <leftyfb> Menzador: It's probably a case of gnome tweak not being updated to disable the dock. Just use gsettings/dconf
[13:48] <auronandace> ericus: if you are planing to backup /home on an ntfs partition you'll likely need to use some sort of archive that saves the linux file permissions
[13:48] <Menzador> leftyfb: OK
[13:48] <Menzador> !info gnome-tweak-tool artful
[13:48] <briian> ooh nvm found something else that works a bit better
[13:48] <Menzador> weird, but OK
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: they wanted to keep unity lovers happy with the forked dock, so..
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: does autohide work on your side?
[13:49] <leftyfb> ericus: I would not recommend backing up your /home to an NTFS drive. Or anything from a linux filesystem unless you are ONLY going to backup personal files. You will lose all permissions.
[13:50] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: I do not think they forked the Unity dock. I think they tweaked the gnome shell dock.
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: thats not what i said neither :p
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: i just said they wanted to keep unity lovers happy
[13:51] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: Auto-hide works
[13:51] <ericus> what would you recommend for offsite-backup? A friend of mine has Windows, I have Linux. If we where to backup to each other, automatically and encrypted
[13:51] <leftyfb> ok
[13:51] <leftyfb> just FYI, this is the dock they forked: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: can you check on dconf-editor? might work to disable there
[13:52] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: Theoretically it's good enough. I know the GNOME experience here isn't supposed to be 1:1 as compared to a stock GNOME setup... I *did* look through dconf-editor and I didn't see anything resembling a "master on/off" switch
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: existing bug on it already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweak-tool/+bug/1713020
[13:53] <leftyfb> Menzador: why not run ubuntu gnome?
[13:53] <jwash> hi everyone, ubuntu 16.04, nvidia gtx960, latest drivers via the nvidia ppa. Can someone help me to get my display port monitor detected? it won't show up at all.
[13:54] <Menzador> leftyfb: There are several reasons I don't use the former Ubuntu GNOME if I want a GNOME-based OS
[13:54] <hateball> jwash: wont show with xrandr ?
[13:54] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: OK, there's an existing bug, basically I just sit back and relax :)
[13:54] <Menzador> Meanwhile, I turned on the auto-hide feature, which should be fine. Thanks
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: well its not really a bug, so might read it :p
[13:55] <jwash> hateball: all show disconnected
[13:55] <HorribleProgram> Hello, my Ubuntu computer has dual-boot with Windows 10. When I boot into Windows 10, I never get any freezing. The computer can run for hours idling or crunching away and it's fine.
[13:56] <HorribleProgram> So I don't think it's a hardware issue, but my ubuntu side freezes every once in a while
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> jwash: did you try xrandr --auto or that Fn + F5 key?
[13:56] <ericus> HorribleProgram can you pastebin dmesg?
[13:56] <HorribleProgram> It's not frequent, but mildly inconvenient
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> HorribleProgram: ubuntu version? kernel version? system up to date?
[13:56] <HorribleProgram> ericus: ye
[13:57] <jwash> lotuspsychje: xrandr --auto generates no output
[13:57] <ericus> HorribleProgram is it something specific that you do when it freezes?
[13:57] <jwash> i don't have a function key on my keyboard
[13:58] <tpgillam> Hello all - I'm having a very strange (and annoying) problem, that was present in 17.04 but seems to have got a lot worse in 17.10. I  described it in some detail here (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2369750), but in a nutshell the entire display freezes (i.e. no new frames are rendered) when switching from typing 'letters' to 'symbols'. In 17.10 the latency has increased a lot, so when typing code the display w
[13:58] <tpgillam> often not refresh at all until I wait for a couple of seconds!
[13:58] <HorribleProgram> lotuspsychje: lotuspsychje 16.04, 4.10.0-37-generic
[13:58] <tpgillam> Essentially, other than knowing it's *something* to do with Gnome, non-classic, I'm not familiar enough to know which package to file a bug report against.
[13:59] <tpgillam> Does anyone know any likely causes of this behaviour? Or hunches on what might be good lines to investigate? Thanks!
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[14:00] <HorribleProgram> Incomming dmesg output
[14:00] <HorribleProgram> https://pastebin.com/AN9FtTv8
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> HorribleProgram: you still on .2?
[14:00] <ericus> HorribleProgram have you tried dropping to a terminal when it happens? (ctrl+alt+f1)
[14:00] <HorribleProgram> ericus: yeah, :D it's completely frozen
[14:01] <HorribleProgram> can't print screen, can't switch to console
[14:01] <ericus> you're not quite up to date with the kernel
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> tpgillam: graphics card chipset? did you try the xorg session vs wayland?
[14:01] <urgodfather> does anyone have experience using Dell OMSA on ubuntu?
[14:02] <HorribleProgram> ericus: ericus Ukuu? :D
[14:02] <leftyfb> urgodfather: we don't generally take surveys here
[14:02] <ericus> HorribleProgram what's that?
[14:02] <urgodfather> leftyfb lmao, let me rephrase
[14:03] <HorribleProgram> ericus: GUI to update kernel
[14:03] <tpgillam> lotuspsychje: nvidia chip. I tried with both default & proprietary drivers - it's the same
[14:03] <tpgillam> (and only Gnome, KDE, XFCE etc. are unaffected)
[14:03] <urgodfather> can someone help me with dell omsa on ubuntu. i have it installed per dell's notes, however im getting user permission errors while trying to configure my alerts
[14:04] <tpgillam> I'm pretty sure it's using the xorg session, not wayland (but I tested that prior to upgrading to 17.10)
[14:04] <ericus> HorribleProgram you don't need a GUI for that, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> tpgillam: can you make sure logging out and test both sessions to compare?
[14:04] <HorribleProgram> ericus: sweet
[14:05] <ericus> HorribleProgram can you post the result of lsb_release -a ?
[14:06] <HorribleProgram> yes
[14:08] <ericus> HorribleProgram check the log files after the freeze happens
[14:08] <HorribleProgram> ericus: where are they?
[14:09] <ericus> in /var/log
[14:09] <swensson>  journalctl -r      might have something usefull aswell(?)
[14:10] <HorribleProgram> ericus: will do\
[14:10] <HorribleProgram> ericus: updating dist rn
[14:11] <HorribleProgram> I figured out my life
[14:11] <ericus> the freezes just happens randomly, no pattern?
[14:11] <HorribleProgram> my life goal is to write a program that troubleshoots every computer and fizes random freezing
[14:12] <HorribleProgram> ericus: I think if I open a huge openoffice .odt and continue writing in it for about an hour
[14:12] <tpgillam> It's definitely not running Wayland - I don't have the option
[14:12] <HorribleProgram> but I hate one of them open 90% of my computer use, so idk if it's relevant
[14:12] <tpgillam> (sorry for delay, took a while to reconnect)
[14:12] <HorribleProgram> have*
[14:12] <ericus> How's your RAM?
[14:12] <HorribleProgram> vim /proc/meminfo
[14:12] <HorribleProgram> LOL woops
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> tpgillam: ubuntu = the wayland session, (xorg) the xorg session on gnome
[14:13] <ericus> no, just how much RAM do you have?
[14:13] <tpgillam> Ah, OK. In that case I've tried both, and both exhibit the same behaviour.
[14:14] <HorribleProgram> ericus: 16
[14:14] <tpgillam> (But the classic versions, compiz & metacity, are fine)
[14:14] <ericus> should be more than enough
[14:14] <ericus> just ruling that out
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> tpgillam: weird your xorg session got same issue..
[14:16] <HorribleProgram> I'm curios as to why computers freeze, it's quite a low-level topic
[14:16] <tpgillam> Yes, it's a very strange problem. I've tried tracing with xev and the keypress events are getting captured at the right time. It's just that the display stops refreshing :D
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> HorribleProgram: when did your freezes start to happen?
[14:17] <swensson> When that happens, I just yell at my computer and hit it a couple of times... After that everythings works as it should
[14:17] <HorribleProgram> lotuspsychje: Not sure, did I mention I have to be afk for about 20 minutes for it to freeze
[14:17] <HorribleProgram> That may be key to the investigation
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> HorribleProgram: i meant like, did you ever got a smooth working ubuntu version before?
[14:18] <swensson> Are you using any screensaver?... Should the computer "lock" when AFK?
[14:18] <HorribleProgram> lotuspsychje: yeah lol
[14:18] <HorribleProgram> It might be sleeping freezes the computer, or the screen locking, lemme check those
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> swensson: i sometimes use xscreensaver yes, but ubuntu got rid of screensaver by default
[14:19] <HorribleProgram> and after updating the kernel, I'll just check my /var/logs after another freeze
[14:19] <HorribleProgram> You guys were great help :D
[14:19] <HorribleProgram> specially you elopio
[14:20] <HorribleProgram> I'll come back when I have troubles again, ty again
[14:28] <BudgetSlug> Good morning/afternoon/evening.
[14:29] <BudgetSlug> Does anyone have any experience with 17.10 and the Gnome desktop?
[14:29] <auronandace> BudgetSlug: i'm sure someone does
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> !ask | BudgetSlug
[14:29] <BudgetSlug> I would like to see if anyone has modified the "Activity" bar at the top.
[14:30] <leftyfb> BudgetSlug: we don't generally take surveys here
[14:30] <BudgetSlug> Gotcha.
[14:30] <leftyfb> BudgetSlug: if you would like to know how to do something, ask: "How do I do this thing?"
[14:30] <BudgetSlug> How do you disable the "Activity" bar in Gnome?
[14:31] <Menzador> You don't, the top bar is the top bar.
[14:31] <leftyfb> BudgetSlug: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/744/hide-activities-button/
[14:31] <Menzador> Although there are extensions you can use, such as "Dash to Panel"
[14:34] <ericus> How would I be able to run a .bashrc alias via alt+f2? In this case, alias teamspeak='sh /home/ericus/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/ts3client_runscript.sh &'
[14:34] <tpgillam> lotuspsychje: By the way, is this the correct channel for my question / bug report, or would another be more appropriate in your opinion? Just wanted to make sure.
[14:35] <leftyfb> ericus: maybe try modifying the keyboard shortcuts and make alt+f2 run your ts3client_runscript.sh script (not point in running an alias that runs the script)
[14:35] <ericus> leftyfb hmm
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> tpgillam: yeah your good here, to get your issue solved try to re-ask here once in a while mate all in one line, with all details
[14:36] <tpgillam> lotuspsychje: Thanks, will do that
[14:37] <urgodfather> is there a way to make an elevated administrator account?
[14:37] <leftyfb> urgodfather: elevated how? For what purpose?
[14:39] <urgodfather> http://www.dell.com/support/manuals/us/en/19/dell-openmanage-server-administrator-v8.3/omsa_ug/user-privileges?guid=guid-90c7e982-3525-4734-a126-e360c3b9785c&lang=en-us
[14:39] <urgodfather> thats what i think the problem that im running into is
[14:39] <alkisg> ericus: when you say alt+f2, do you mean that you want alt+f2 to run that script, or to bring up the run dialog so that you can run that script from there?
[14:43] <ericus> alkisg I run it from a terminal, and I would have to keep the terminal running
[14:44] <alkisg> ericus: why so? there's setsid for that
[14:44] <alkisg> setsid program => then close terminal
[14:49] <ericus> thanks alkisg
[14:51] <gbear14275> I'm having problems getting a host-only adapter working with ubuntu server under virtualbox.  I can't get it to assign an ip even with static declaration in /etc/network/interfaces
[14:52] <gbear14275> what's weird is it pulls an ipv6 address
[14:53] <nacc> gbear14275: what do you mean "host-only"?
[14:53] <auronandace> gbear14275: by default vbox uses nat for the network settings, you may need to change that
[14:53] <nacc> gbear14275: my guess is a vbox networking configuration option
[14:54] <nacc> gbear14275: and the network vbox is using is ipv6 only or somesuch
[14:54] <gbear14275> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html chapter 6.7
[14:54] <nacc> urgodfather: feels like a question for dell
[14:55] <gbear14275> auronandace: I'm attaching a host only adapter to the 2nd NIC but it both shows up as disabled and then once I bring it up it wont assign an ipv4 address despite static declaration in /etc/network
[14:56] <nacc> gbear14275: well, the latter is the client's view. Our point is the hypervisor needs some modification, presuambly
[14:56] <gbear14275> auronandace: the NAT is a different NIC, enp0s3 in my case
[14:59] <lorddoskias> what's the difference between wireless-crda and crda packages?
[15:00] <Dyrcona> I'm trying to install 17.10 on a new laptop. I want encrypted /home and swap on a separate drive from /. I have 2 SSDs in the laptop.
[15:01] <Dyrcona> When I think I've set that up correctly, it will only boot to single user mode.
[15:01] <BudgetSlug> How do you change the SUPER key to open Applications in ubuntu 17.10?
[15:01] <Dyrcona> If I try to mount home or activate swap in maintenance mode, it tells me the special devices for the crypt partitions don't exist.
[15:02] <Menzador> Bud
[15:02] <sruli> Dyrcona: "encrypted /home and swap" to you mean ecryptfs or luks ?
[15:02] <Menzador> BudgetSlug: dconf-editor is your friend
[15:02] <BudgetSlug> Menzador: Thanks. Any direction for where to start looking in dconf-editor?
[15:03] <Dyrcona> sruli: ecryptfs, I assume, whatever "physical volume for encryption" does in the installer. I'm not certain which it uses.
[15:03] <sruli> Dyrcona: and root is not encrpyted?
[15:03] <Menzador> BudgetSlug: I think it's in org.gnome.shell someplace
[15:04] <Dyrcona> sruli: I tried that, but the default options only encrypted the first drive, and I don't care much about encrypting system files.
[15:04] <BudgetSlug> Menzador: Many thanks.
[15:05] <Dyrcona> I seem to recall the installer being "better" at this in the past, but maybe I'm thinking of the server edition installer.
[15:05] <Dyrcona> It seems like I either blindly take the defaults, or I have to manually configure everything and the options seem more limited than I recall from previous installations.
[15:06] <Dyrcona> Like I don't see a manual option for LVM.
[15:06] <sruli> Dyrcona: right, trying to figure out how you got root unencrypted and home encrypted with default setup... if you want root unencrypted and home encrypted you'll need to setup the partitions in livecd ebfore install and chroot after install to edit fstab ecrypttab and update-initramfs and grub
[15:07] <sruli> Dyrcona: doesnt sound like you want lvm
[15:07] <Dyrcona> sruli: Sounds like it would be easier to just do the default install with / and swap encrypted, and then add /home encrypted afterward.
[15:07] <Dyrcona> Yeah, I probably don't want LVM, but I swear it used to be an option in manual partitioning.
[15:08] <Dyrcona> Maybe just on server edition...
[15:09] <sruli> Dyrcona: if ecryptfs is good enough for you in your home dir (meaning anyone can see the number and size of files in it when dismounted) it should be straight forward with manual option in installer
[15:10] <sylario> I have an Ubuntu server on the Net, with a domain name. I have a Ubuntu workstation behind a NAT. Is there a few magic linux lines that will redirect http(s)://my-server.net:7896 to my local workstation ? This is for dev purpose, it is not production oriented
[15:10] <sylario> Maybe by establishing some SSH between my workstation and the server?
[15:10] <Dyrcona> sruli: If I try that, the installer won't continue unless I encrypt swap. I tried adding swap and /home on the second drive encrypted and the system boots to maintenace mode with missing devices for the encrypted partitions.
[15:11] <sruli> Dyrcona: doesnt make sense, 1 min will try
[15:12] <Dyrcona> sruli: I'm going to try again in a slightly different way. I tried making sda1_crypt1 and sda1_crypt2 last time. I'll go with sda1 and sda2 as separate physical partitions this time.
[15:12] <ash_workz> can dpkg filter columns? I don't mind using awk, but I just thought if there was a flag or something...
[15:13] <sruli> Dyrcona: ok
[15:15] <ioria> ash_workz, i'd go with dpkg-query
[15:15] <ash_workz> ioria: thank you :)
[15:15] <ioria> ash_workz, no prob
[15:25] <ash_workz> can I also filter by field value?
[15:26] <ash_workz> like --status=installed or something?
[15:27] <nacc> ash_workz: `man dpkg-query`
[15:27] <ash_workz> nacc: I was looking at it
[15:29] <nacc> ash_workz: i meant, you can see there if such a flag is supported
[15:29] <ash_workz> nacc: yeah, I don't see one
[15:30] <ash_workz> nacc: thanks though :\
[15:30] <ioria> ash_workz, maybe this is more readable : http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dpkg-query.1.html     -f --format
[15:30] <nacc> ash_workz: dpkg-query isn't a filter, it's just a query
[15:30] <nacc> ash_workz: so you could use what ioria is sayig, output it's isntallationn status and then grep on that
[15:31] <ash_workz> nacc: yeah, I just thought maybe that functionality was built in,
[15:41] <ash_workz> how do I get more specific information on apt list ?
[15:41] <nacc> ash_workz: canyou be more specific?
[15:43] <ash_workz> nvm :)
[15:44] <Dyrcona> sruli: It worked with separate physical partitions to make sda1_crypt and sda2_crypt. I'm not sure what the installer has against "virtual partitions" with cryptsetup.
[15:47] <ash_workz> I take it back, I know this is just me being clumsy though; I'm looking for where the flags are defined such as `apt list --installed`
[15:47] <nacc> ash_workz: as in where in the souorce? or `man apt` otherwise?
[15:48] <ash_workz> nacc: `man apt` doesn't really give me that information but I could be just retarded when it comes to man
[15:49] <nacc> ash_workz: what do you specifically want to know?
[15:50] <ducasse> ash_workz: try 'apt list --<tab><tab>'
[15:50] <ash_workz> nacc: if what I was doing earlier could be achieved with `apt list` (and hopefully briefly exploring the capabilities of the tool)
[15:50] <BudgetSlug> How do you reduce the context menu size in Ubuntu17.10 (Gnome 3.26)?
[15:50] <ash_workz> ducasse: interesting
[15:51] <nacc> ash_workz: `man apt` ... /--installed, shows the three flags it knows
[15:52] <ash_workz> nacc: pattern not found
[15:52] <nacc> ash_workz: what version of ubuntu?
[15:52] <ash_workz> 16.04
[15:52] <nacc> ash_workz: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man8/apt.8.html is what i was looking at
[15:53] <nacc> ash_workz: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/apt.8.html
[15:53] <nacc> ash_workz: says --installed is there
[15:53] <ash_workz> nacc: that has a lot more information than `man apt`
[15:54] <nacc> ash_workz: uh, it's the manpage
[15:54] <nacc> ash_workz: perhaps you are out of date?
[15:55] <ash_workz> nacc: mine just says 'apt specific options (-s -nocompile -print -A -factorypath -factory -version -X), Options shared with javac (-d -cp) and Non-Standard Options (-X...)
[15:56] <ash_workz> -'
[15:56] <nacc> ash_workz: .... that's not hte apt manpage
[15:56] <nacc> ash_workz: it soundns like maybe you ahve some non-standard apt manpage installed that's a java garbage
[15:57] <ash_workz> well apts man should still be on here, right?
[15:57] <nacc> ash_workz: `man -w apt`
[15:58] <ash_workz> ap/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/man/man1/apt.1.gz
[15:58] <ash_workz> oops
[15:58] <nacc> lool
[15:58] <ash_workz>  /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/man/man1/apt.1.gz
[15:58] <nacc> ash_workz: this is why i don't use third party packages
[15:58] <nacc> ash_workz: man 8 apt
[15:58] <ash_workz> nacc: perfecto
[15:59] <ash_workz> if I'm looking for the appropriate man, is there a way to find that '8' using /usr/bin/apt ?
[15:59] <ash_workz> I mean in this case
[16:00] <ash_workz> but like which $(application)
[16:00] <ash_workz> -$()
[16:01] <nacc> ash_workz: not sure i understand what you mean?
[16:12] <grobda24> Hi. Is there a hassle free route to install Ubuntu on a Asus T100TAF ? I can get Ubuntu to install but LOTS of hassle. Breaks on update. Any specialised distro's/kernels out there ?
[16:15] <ioria> grobda24, hassle free ? nope
[16:15] <linuxconformer> guys how do i run goaccess on ubuntu? I've got it installed, not sure how to start it
[16:15] <swensson> grobda24 I got no clue about this, but I know alot of ppl had problems using the last version, have you tried any 16.x?
[16:15] <ioria> grobda24, i can link this for you : https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/T100TA
[16:15] <linuxconformer> i try "$ goaccess access.log -c" but it gives me same error about the format being wrong
[16:18] <grobda24> swensson: Yes. 16 was OK apart from Wifi not restarting after suspend. I made BIG mistake of updating to next release which broke everything.
[16:19] <grobda24> ioria: thanks :)
[16:19] <grobda24> I just found https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-8-rt/win-8-development/live-asus-t100-ta-magic-stick-t3091481
[16:19] <grobda24> Occurs to me that trick seems to be to keep the installation static without updating anything !
[16:20] <swensson> grobda24 Ah, same here(about the wifi).... Im not sure about the update tho...
[16:20] <pvl1> shouldnt wpa_supplicant be started after rfkill.service
[16:20] <ioria> grobda24, ok, but it says Ubuntu 15.04
[16:20] <ioria> grobda24, don't use that
[16:21] <grobda24> ioria: OK, why ?
[16:21] <ioria> !15.04
[16:21] <linuxconformer> guys what does "Error opening terminal: xterm-termite." mean?
[16:22] <grobda24> ioria: OK, so no security updates. I can deal with that is just works !
[16:22] <ioria> grobda24, as you wish
[16:27] <Vach0n> Hi guys. I got this issue, that after installing ubuntu server 16.04 on my newly aquired Hetzner server, I'm now having issues with 5% HDD space is being reserved for the system, which isn't needed as I have 6TB HDD. How can I change and/or completely remove this feature, thus giving me an option to choose the amount of space reserved myself.
[16:27] <Vach0n> I hope that made sense...
[16:28] <Vach0n> Would this work? - https://odzangba.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/how-to-free-reserved-space-on-ext4-partitions/
[16:32] <cat_bprm> Hello, somehow i have given all of my home folders (Desktop documents etc) to my bot user, how can i reverse this?
[16:34] <ducasse> Vach0n: you can change the percentage with tune2fs
[16:34] <theelous3> tatertots: so, in the end 16.04.1 works
[16:34] <theelous3> literally everything else does not
[16:35] <theelous3> can get random versions isntalled if I perma acpi=off in load, but that's not really sustainable
[16:35] <Vach0n> ducasse: as linked above, corret? Anyways, I doesn't seem to work... I get this error: https://i.imgur.com/KIcHZvn.png
[16:35] <hosas> hello!!! is there a way to redirect one audio to headpiece and another audio to speakers on ubuntu? Thanks.
[16:36] <cat_bprm> theelous3 i had acpi=off but that causes problems with heat detection, drivers and others
[16:36] <cat_bprm> Hello, somehow i have given all of my home folders (Desktop documents etc) to my bot user, how can i reverse this?
[16:37] <theelous3> cat_bprm: sorry, that was not a suggestion to you, but a follow up to the soltuion I found for a problem I asked about earlier
[16:37] <theelous3> and yeah, having acpi off is just all around terrible as a long term solution
[16:37] <ducasse> Vach0n: you need to replace sdb1 with the actual filesystem you want to edit parameters for
[16:37] <cat_bprm> theelous3 i thought you were asking... i was replying with a suggestion XD
[16:37] <theelous3> ah :P
[16:38] <Vach0n> ducasse: Sorry for my ignorance, but how would I go about figuring out what that is?
[16:38] <theelous3> however, does anyone know how I could start to investigate what's taken place with acpi between 16.04.1 and 16.04.3?
[16:40] <MarchHare> I'm trying to install cinnamon and mdm on ubuntu server. I've run apt install mdm cinnamon cinnamon-session, but when I try to sudo service mdm start, I get an error that says "mdm.service not starting" Any insight?
[16:40] <MarchHare> I've also installed xubuntu-desktop
[16:42] <cerion> hi. the desktop is more and more laguish here. on 17.10 and gnome shell, now it takes 8 seconds to unlock the screen lck for example. the mouse cursor gets stuck for milliseconds instead of moving. it feels sluggish. that's annoying
[16:42] <ioria> MarchHare, mdm ?
[16:44] <hseg> Hi. My sysadmin hasn't installed a certain package which I need (pandoc-citeproc). Am on 14.04. Is there a way to install the package locally (i.e. in my home dir)?
[16:51] <urgodfather> can changing the root password cause ubuntu not to boot?
[16:51] <ducasse> Vach0n: pastebin the output of 'df -h' - use paste.ubuntu.com instead of posting a screenshot since it's all text
[16:52] <urgodfather> i fubar'd something and now it just reboots. same for recovery mode... upstart works though
[16:52] <Vach0n> ducasse: I figured it out though. Thanks :)
[16:52] <MarchHare> ioria: Alternative display manager/login manager to lightdm
[16:55] <auronandace> MarchHare: gdm
[16:55] <MarchHare> auronandace: Doesn't seem to be in the repository for 17.10
[16:55] <auronandace> !find gdm
[16:55] <auronandace> !info gdm3 | MarchHare
[16:56] <urgodfather> can someone please help me!!
[16:56] <MarchHare> auronandace: I guess it would make a difference if I didn't know about the 3 on the end. I'm still confused about why mdm won't start, even though it installs.
[16:57] <nacc> MarchHare: what version of ubuntu?
[16:57] <auronandace> MarchHare: we don't support mint here
[16:57] <MarchHare> nacc: 17.10 server. I wanted to start without a lot of bloat.
[16:57] <nacc> MarchHare: systemctl status mdm, in a pastebin
[16:57] <MarchHare> auronandace: Not asking anyone to support mint. I just migrated from it.
[16:58] <zztopless> hey guys, I think I am finally getting close to my mint-kde (18.2) being able to access the shared folder on my lubuntu vm (14.04.5  I am just wondering if anyone knows how to set username and passwords for samba and if they have to match the OS usernames (I assumed they would or there would eb security issues?
[16:58] <auronandace> MarchHare: another option is slim
[16:58] <MarchHare> nacc: I don't have the console for it right now, but it was basically mdm.service not found
[16:58] <MarchHare> nacc: One line, no real info as to why.
[16:59] <nacc> MarchHare: there is no such service, that's why
[16:59] <nacc> MarchHare: no systemd or sysvinit file
[16:59] <MarchHare> auronandace: I'll check into that one. I don't mind the lightdm, but it doesn't have any obvious option to start cinnamon instead of xfce
[16:59] <MarchHare> nacc: Shouldn't apt install mdm have installed those?
[16:59] <nacc> MarchHare: are you sure you installed mdm?
[16:59] <nacc> MarchHare: well, did you look at what mdm is?
[16:59] <nacc> !info mdm
[17:00] <nacc> MarchHare: it is nothing to do with desktops
[17:00] <MarchHare> nacc different mdm
[17:00] <nacc> MarchHare: right, so "what" mdm did you install?
[17:00] <nacc> MarchHare: there's only one "mdm" in Ubuntu
[17:00] <MarchHare> nacc That's a damn good question, now that I think about it. I'm going to check that when I get home.
[17:00] <auronandace> MarchHare: mint display manager is not in the ubuntu repos
[17:01] <MarchHare> nacc: I suppose it didn't dawn on me where that parallel stuff came from
[17:01] <MarchHare> auronandace: I also didn't puzzle out the meaning of the m in mdm (I knew it was a fork of gdm)
[17:01] <MarchHare> okay, I'll go tinker with this. I think I know what's going on now. It'll have to happen when I get home
[17:02] <kaddi> hi, after the last update of my 16.04 kubuntu my touchpad doesn't quite work as expected. I used to be able to tap on the touchpad to click, no this doesn't do anything, I need to use the buttons at the bottom of the touchpad. is there a way to reverse/configure that?
[17:04] <urgodfather> can changing the root password cause ubuntu not to boot?
[17:04] <urgodfather> i fubar'd something and now it just reboots. same for recovery mode... upstart works though
[17:04] <ioria> kaddi,  can you sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade  and check the output ?
[17:04] <urgodfather> doesnt drop to shell or anything
[17:05] <urgodfather> appears to be some kernel message saying that its rebooting in 30 seconds
[17:07] <nacc> urgodfather: generally, no the root password is not releavnt to booting
[17:07] <nacc> urgodfather: what *else* did you change?
[17:07] <kaddi> ioria: it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and not upgraded
[17:07] <urgodfather> well, i added my user to root
[17:08] <urgodfather> sudo adduser user root
[17:08] <urgodfather> or something like that
[17:08] <whodevil> hello, I'm on ubuntu 14.04 and for some reason when I updated gnome-shell is completely borked. it seems like there is a problem with gnome-settings-daemon depending on an older version of gnome-settings-daemon-schemas
[17:08] <whodevil> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25874076/
[17:09] <rfleming> Hello #ubuntu.  I'm having problems with Akonadi.  It's complaining that it 'Could not open required defaults file: /etc/xdg/akonadi/mysql-global.conf' and then it goes downhill from there
[17:09] <nacc> urgodfather: well, that makes very little sense to have done as well.
[17:09] <nacc> urgodfather: what else?
[17:09] <nacc> urgodfather: and note, making system cofigurationn changes where your recollection is "something like that" implies maybe you should not be doing that.
[17:10] <nacc> urgodfather: you should know *exactly* what you are doing and why.
[17:10] <urgodfather> i pulled out one of my raid drives but thats not part of the os
[17:10] <urgodfather> thats just a storage drive
[17:10] <urgodfather> hot swap bay
[17:10] <leftyfb> urgodfather: was it specified in /etc/fstab to mount at boot?
[17:11] <urgodfather> that storage drive
[17:11] <leftyfb> yes
[17:11] <nacc> whodevil: apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[17:11] <urgodfather> but its a raid 1 and i only pulled out 1
[17:11] <leftyfb> urgodfather: put it back in and see if it boots
[17:11] <urgodfather> it does not
[17:11] <urgodfather> currently rebuilding
[17:11] <nacc> whodevil: it looks like you've mixed trusty and xenial, don't do that.
[17:11] <leftyfb> how do you know it's rebuilding if the machine won't boot?
[17:11] <ioria> kaddi,  check settings > mouse/touchpad
[17:11] <urgodfather> via raid controller
[17:12] <whodevil> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25874105/
[17:12] <whodevil> nacc: I'm not sure how that happened
[17:14] <whodevil> nacc: When I 'cd /etc/apt && grep -R trusty *'
[17:14] <whodevil> it returns nothing
[17:14] <rfleming> here's a paste of what I see
[17:14] <rfleming> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25874123/
[17:14] <kaddi> ioria: thanks... that was too obvious.. I was looking at mouse setting rather than touchpad. It's fixed :)
[17:15] <nacc> whodevil: you are on xenial?
[17:15] <nacc> whodevil: lsb_release -sd
[17:15] <whodevil> nacc: I'm supposed to be
[17:15] <ioria> kaddi,  lol, good job
[17:15] <nacc> whodevil: ?
[17:15] <nacc> whodevil: you *just* said 14.04.
[17:15] <urgodfather> raid controller says 62 %
[17:15] <gbear14275> nacc: I nuked virtualbox and installed vmware workstation but I'm still having a problem configuring virtual network adapters to get ipv4 addresses with dhcp... it will assign an ipv6 address but no ipv4
[17:15] <urgodfather> so i will let it rebuild and see what happens
[17:16] <nacc> gbear14275: i've never used either
[17:16] <whodevil> nacc: sorry I got the number wrong, I thought xenial was 14.04
[17:16] <whodevil> nacc: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[17:16] <whodevil> doh
[17:16] <gbear14275> nacc: wait... ok, I called dhclient to renew and it pulled one
[17:17] <gbear14275> crap, didn't survive reboot
[17:17] <nacc> whodevil: ok, was this a recent upgrade?
[17:17] <gbear14275> that adapter keeps disabling itself
[17:17] <urgodfather> what i can tell you is the os is on a completely different drive, the storage drive is mounted via fstab at boot. normal boot and recovery both go to that rebooting in 30 seconds message. upstart loads a cli and has a few errors on it. helper and daemon. also complains about reboot when i tell it to
[17:17] <urgodfather> reboot
[17:18] <whodevil> I've been on 16.04 for at least 6 months
[17:18] <nacc> whodevil: so what precipitated this issue?
[17:18] <whodevil> this morning there was an upgrade requested, but I thought it was just a normal packages update
[17:18] <nacc> whodevil: did you add a ppa or anything?
[17:18] <gbear14275> I've never had a network adapter be disabled from boot... is there a prescribed way to resolve this?
[17:18] <ash_workz> you know how running a2enmod interactively will say "Your choices are: ..." and list the modules? Is there something that invokes to get that list? (it printed in the perfect format as is)
[17:19] <nacc> ash_workz: read the source?
[17:20] <ash_workz> nacc: thank you :)
[17:20] <nacc> ash_workz: it's a perl script, iirc
[17:21] <whodevil> is there a way to install the older packages? probably not right
[17:21] <ash_workz> nacc: you're right
[17:22] <nacc> ash_workz: i think it just globs mods-available oor mods-enabled
[17:23] <ash_workz> nacc: well, I think it would have to implement some logic to remove entries from available which have links, but idk... maybe it just dumps everything
[17:32] <zztopless> hmmm, I'm getting to the point of been prompted for the SMB Password to connect to the share on my lubuntu vm from mint-kde and vice versa
[17:33] <zztopless> but no matter what, the popup prompt doesn't accept the pass
[17:33] <gbear14275> is there anything in systemd which disables (or conversly only enables) network adapters if some condition is met?
[17:33] <zztopless> used sudo smbpasswd -a to set the samba passwords
[17:33] <gbear14275> I'm resolving the systemd network wait to configure timer on boot that just counts if there's no network connectivity
[17:37] <oerheks> zztopless, ask in the mint channel? mint-kde is not ubuntu
[17:38] <zztopless> oerheks: and it's not the lubuntu channel and more importantly the issues I've been getting help with in here over the last few days aren't effected by the surface level variations
[17:40] <zztopless> though I have been in those channels and am about to connect to the server Mint's channels are on as well
[17:41] <oerheks> zztopless, mint has its own issues, so do that please.
[17:43] <zztopless> oerkeks, oerheks I have been trouble shooting this for several days now and you are the first person in this channel that has asked me to not discuss it here.
[17:44] <oerheks> so you found out nobody here can help you with mint.
[17:45] <oerheks> *can*, not want, as mint has its own thingy
[17:45] <zztopless> I got some ideas from people there, some from #kde, some from here, some from #kubuntu
[17:46] <zztopless> given the issue (it's a known issue that manifests in a few different ways) doesn't seem to be relevant to the differences int those distros...
[17:47] <zztopless> I can whip up a ubuntu vm for a three way party (well it will be if I can get samba working), seems pretty arbitrary
[17:49] <zztopless> yes mint DOES have it's own thing - thank you for explaining the that things are separate from other things.
[17:51] <zztopless> Lubuntu also is different (but less so), but again, it's about getting them to work together with Samba, as well as the other flavours of Ubuntu-based vms I frequently use (including Vanilla)
[18:00] <modpryme> how do i take a screen shot of everything in a web browser window when it wont all fit on the screen?
[18:00] <unitypunk> haaaay hay hay
[18:00] <unitypunk> modpryme, you could just make multiple shots and edit them together
[18:00] <modpryme> arghhh
[18:01] <unitypunk> or post them together in the right order like the facebookers do
[18:01] <zztopless> modpryme: I don't know the name of it, but i did find one a while back that worked
[18:01] <unitypunk> phones have a ¨scroll capture¨ now
[18:01] <zztopless> printing the site as a PDF might too
[18:01] <unitypunk> maybe visit it on your phone and use the scroll cap
[18:02] <modpryme> arghhhhh
[18:02] <unitypunk> at least the s8 does :-/
[18:02] <oerheks> easy, open fiorefox, shift F2: screenshot --fullpage # then you need to type filename.png, png only!
[18:02] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/421980/how-to-take-screenshot-of-complete-webpages
[18:02] <modpryme> what about in chromium?
[18:03] <oerheks> maybe the other answers on that page are helpfull?
[18:03] <oerheks> i knew screenshot --fullpage only
[18:04] <modpryme> ah cool...i can save it as a pdf
[18:04] <modpryme> thx
[18:04] <oerheks> oh, nice to know :-)
[18:04] <zztopless> np
[18:04] <unitypunk> so hey, how do i see whats going on with my wifi card(s)
[18:05] <zztopless> most programs can now
[18:05] <zztopless> those that offer to save/export as pdf sually give much better results than printing as pdf
[18:05] <unitypunk> they keep asking for the password to the network and never connect, not sure how to troubleshoot the situation
[18:06] <zztopless> word 2016 opens pdfs amazingly well too
[18:11] <sruli> Jordan_U: you around?
[18:26] <urgodfather> ok guys, im happy to say that the machine is booting again. dont understand why my hw raid 1 storage drive would cause it not to.
[18:29] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Hi, I'm about to install Ubuntu but I'd like to ask some questions before I do so. Could somebody explain the difference between the 2nd and 3rd options in this step? https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop#5
[18:30] <ioria> Ruff_Wizard[m], you mean  lvm and ecryption ?
[18:31] <oerheks> encrypt is easy, your install will be not readable by starting a live iso, and fixing thins can be a lot harder, even a bad sector can ruin your whole data.
[18:31] <unitypunk> hmm
[18:31] <oerheks> LVM logical volume managment, nice to use when you have multiple hdd's
[18:31] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] i would start with just a standard install
[18:31]  * eelstrebor only encrypts the home directory
[18:33] <oerheks> eelstrebor +1, i would not start with linux and do encryption right away
[18:35] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: they are not the same, they are 2 different option, you can choose any or both
[18:35] <ioria> Ruff_Wizard[m],  wait.... in general lvm and encryption (luks) are two different things (you can use them separately) ; but , by default, if you choose to encrypt your drive (fde) the 2° option lvm will be applied as well
[18:36] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: Which one is a standard install?
[18:36] <urgodfather> the top option
[18:36] <urgodfather> erase everything and install ubuntu
[18:36] <urgodfather> that is a basic install
[18:36] <sruli> ioria: ^ never understood why if you choose luks it auto applies lvm
[18:37] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> But that will wipe Windows?
[18:37] <urgodfather> personally i would start with a VM on windows
[18:37] <sruli> urgodfather: whats wrong with encryption?
[18:37] <urgodfather> yest
[18:37] <urgodfather> sruli noting... just not well suited for a noob
[18:37] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I want to keep Windows.
[18:37] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] download vmware and install ubuntu as a vm
[18:37] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I am a medium-noob.
[18:37] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: Why? What's wrong with dual boot?
[18:37] <sruli> urgodfather: many ppl coming to linux for the privacy and encryption, its only an extra checkbox in the setup and pass when booting
[18:38] <urgodfather> nothing
[18:38] <unitypunk> you can resize the partition but it is a light risk to the windows system
[18:38] <tpgillam> I'm having a very strange (and annoying) problem, that was present in 17.04 but seems to have got a lot worse in 17.10. I  described it in some detail here (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2369750), but in a nutshell the entire display freezes (i.e. no new frames are rendered) when switching from typing 'letters' to 'symbols'. In 17.10 th
[18:38] <tpgillam> is latency is worse, the display doesn't start refreshing until a couple of seconds after typing ceases. Some key observations: this happens in Gnome only, no other DE; also Gnome classic (compiz/metacity) is unaffected. Both Xorg and Wayland backends are affected in the same way. I have an nVidia chipset, but this occurs regardless of the driver t
[18:38] <tpgillam> hat is used. I can track keypresses with xev to see that they are *not* delayed in being registered; one can tell that the whole display ceases to refresh since any UI element (e.g. video running in webbrowser) also freezes. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks very much!
[18:38] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Then why VM?
[18:38] <urgodfather> sruli valid point
[18:38] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: used linux before?
[18:38] <unitypunk> VM doesnt mess with windows.
[18:38] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: Used, but haven't installed.
[18:39] <unitypunk> VM is an application that runs on windows, allows you to boot other operating systems from your native enviroment
[18:39] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> unitypunk: Why and how would installing Ubuntu alongside mess with Windows?
[18:39] <unitypunk> if you partition wrong you will dstroy the windows partition.
[18:39] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: well if you've used it and know what you are getting into you can skip the vm part and go straight for a dual boot,
[18:39] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] be prepared to reinstall several time if you like to alter and modify the out of box install i.e. if you want to add bells and whistles.
[18:39] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] this is why i say do a vm
[18:39] <sruli> doesnt the installer offer option for dualboot??
[18:39] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Why several times?
[18:40] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] i have been using linux for years and i still mess things up
[18:40] <urgodfather> but thats me
[18:40] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> But I thought it gives you the option to install all the extra stuff during the installation?
[18:40] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m], after you get the hang of it, reinstalling OS is like 10-20 mins of waiting
[18:40] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> unitypunk: Does the installer not do a partition itself?
[18:40] <unitypunk> the installer wants to use as much of your disk as possible.
[18:41] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] theres a whole lot more out there than what is readily available in the ubuntu install disk
[18:41] <unitypunk> which usualy results in removing the partition,
[18:41] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Why? unitypunk
[18:41] <unitypunk> the one containint windos.
[18:41] <unitypunk> because most people do not dual boot.
[18:41] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: Like what? Is it stuff I will actually need?
[18:41] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] bells and whistles
[18:41] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: i think the dualboot option in the installer will be fine, while installing you should see it in the setup stage of the link you posted before
[18:41] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> unitypunk: Is there no way to tell it that I want to dual boot?
[18:42] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: It's one of the options in the picture?
[18:42] <unitypunk> umm, honeslty, you should just read about partitioning.
[18:42] <urgodfather> unitypunk does ubuntu not have that option where if you load the disc while windows is running it will dual boot install?
[18:42] <unitypunk> idk dude
[18:42] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Partition just means you split the disk into different parts?
[18:42] <unitypunk> ihavent done that in years
[18:42] <BudgetSlug> How can you change "Super+A" to "Super" in Ubuntu 17.10 (Gnome 3.26)?
[18:42] <unitypunk> wubi used to do it.
[18:42] <urgodfather> unitypunk me either
[18:42] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: no, it clearly asks "install ubuntu alongside windows" havnt seen it in years, but if you dont see it dont continue
[18:42] <unitypunk> where you ran wubi from windows, and then it installed along side windows
[18:43] <urgodfather> wubi that's it!!!
[18:43] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: Okay, thanks for the heads-up.
[18:43] <unitypunk> but i thought wubi was dead
[18:43] <unitypunk> lol
[18:43] <unitypunk> i use pxe now...
[18:43] <unitypunk> lol
[18:43] <urgodfather> hell idk
[18:43] <unitypunk> no need for boot media with pxe
[18:43] <urgodfather> that was like ubuntu 12 last time i tried it
[18:43] <unitypunk> save $$ on cdrs.
[18:43] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you wont be able to encrypt on dual boot with installer, you have to do some custom stuff before and after install...
[18:43] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> And I shouldn't tick any kind of encryption options because that could mean that I could get locked out of the OS if I forget something or do something wrong?
[18:44] <urgodfather> rufus dat flash drive and blast it
[18:44] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m],  i would not encrypt
[18:44] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I don't particularly want to encrypt if it isn't necessary.
[18:44] <unitypunk> theres no reason to.
[18:44] <unitypunk> unless you;re like.. stashing some kind of highly illegal files.
[18:44] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> okay, good
[18:44] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> one less thing to worry about
[18:44] <unitypunk> or like maybe your porn
[18:44] <urgodfather> encryption is for the doomsday preppers
[18:44] <unitypunk> idk what people keep secure these days..
[18:45] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> unitypunk: i won't even be torrenting on ubuntu probably so I don't even care. I don't even have encryption on windows so it's not like I'll be losing anything
[18:45] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: the only way you get locked out is if you mess up a sector/s on the drive or if you forget the password, have been using luks encryption for ~6 years now never screwed it without being able to fix
[18:45] <urgodfather> truth is if doomsday comes, it will take you with it... AND aint nobody gonna care about what you got on your computer... they just want your tv
[18:45] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Also, I need to work out how and what BIOS settingss to change
[18:45] <unitypunk> ya dude dont bother i have never set up disk encrpyption in my 10 years of ubuntu
[18:46] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: lol
[18:47] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think it's just secure boot that I need to turn off. And change the boot order to get it to load the CD.
[18:47] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: if you do want encryption with dual boot read the answer on the page https://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot its a little old but works fine
[18:47] <urgodfather> honestly i really think you should consider either A) doing a VM, or B) swapping out your hard drive ............. p.s. if you do a vm you can migrate it later
[18:47] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: thanks for the link but I think I'll go without. don't want to get into too much stuff and then have to worry about it later if something goes wrong
[18:47] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: if booting regular ubuntu livecd i think no need to turn off secure boot
[18:48] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: but can I use a vm as a regular everyday os? aren't there disadvantages
[18:48] <urgodfather> sure
[18:48] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: really? that's news to me. I'll try, thanks.
[18:48] <urgodfather> its like using an os within an os
[18:48] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: but then I have to boot windows to use ubuntu?
[18:49] <urgodfather> you can hook up flash drives to it, print from it, transfer files, etc
[18:49] <urgodfather> yep
[18:49] <urgodfather> and you can make snapshots so if you break something toying with all the bells and whistles out there, you can restore your snapshot
[18:50] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> that's not really what I'm after. only thing it would help me with is familiarising myself with the installation process. but i think i'll try it properly now and if I don't get an option to install alongside windows then maybe i'll try it in a vm.
[18:51] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] you can always install to a flash drive
[18:51] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: don't have a flash drive handy, unfortunately. isn't that basically the same as a livecd?
[18:51] <urgodfather> https://askubuntu.com/questions/170454/can-i-install-ubuntu-to-my-32-gb-usb-pen-drive
[18:51] <urgodfather> no
[18:51] <urgodfather> not the same
[18:52] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I don't have a 32gb drive
[18:52] <urgodfather> live starts fresh every time you boot. install to flash drive would be the same as installing to hard drive
[18:52] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> but I do have dvds
[18:52] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I've tried livecd before though
[18:53] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> usb wouldn't give me any advantage for installing, and running from a flash drive isn't a permanent solution
[18:53] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sorry
[18:53] <urgodfather> suit yourself
[18:54] <urgodfather> just making suggestions
[18:54] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> is there really that big a risk of messing up my windows 10?
[18:54] <urgodfather> idk
[18:54] <unitypunk> i think you only need like 6 or 8gb to do a full ubuntu install
[18:54] <urgodfather> dont use it
[18:54] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> i have about 60gb free btw
[18:54] <unitypunk> so a 10gb flash drive would work
[18:54] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m],  the tools you use to partition can definitly destroy the windows partition
[18:55] <urgodfather> unitypunk havent seen one of those before
[18:55] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: not really. Only possible risk is to kill bootloader
[18:55] <unitypunk> 10..12...14.. whatever lol
[18:55] <urgodfather> ;_)
[18:55] <urgodfather> ;-)
[18:55] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> but if I'm explicitly choosing an option to install alongside windows, why would it destroy the windows partition?
[18:55] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m], this is why ultimatly i suggested reading about partitioning.
[18:55] <unitypunk> it shouldnt.
[18:55] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it shouldn't
[18:55] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> ok, i'll read
[18:55] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> just wikipedia is enough?
[18:55] <unitypunk> apart from say you pulling the plug half way through.
[18:55] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: but if you choose grub and then remove buntu
[18:55] <urgodfather> because it modifies the bootloader
[18:56] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you can have some happy minutes trying to install any bootloader)
[18:56] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> i've heard of grub but i don't know exactly what it is
[18:56] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m], grub is a boot loader
[18:56] <urgodfather> LastDream thats assuming he never has to use his factory recovery partition
[18:56] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: simple a thing that lets you chose which OS to load
[18:57] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> it's basically what's there if I dual boot?
[18:57] <unitypunk> thats what lets you dual boot yes
[18:57] <urgodfather> yes
[18:57] <unitypunk> you can dual boot with many BLs
[18:57] <LastDream> urgodfather: everything happens)
[18:57] <urgodfather> that will let you dual boot
[18:57] <unitypunk> i used to favor the windows one
[18:57] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> the screen that comes up that lets me choose?
[18:57] <unitypunk> yep
[18:57] <urgodfather> yep
[18:57] <unitypunk> thats grub
[18:57] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: yes
[18:58] <urgodfather> you can even trick that sucker out with burg
[18:58] <unitypunk> lol
[18:58] <urgodfather> total sweetness
[18:58] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> lot's of yes's. i think my message was delayed.
[18:58] <urgodfather> shiney bell and whistle
[18:58] <unitypunk> ugh this wifi thing is killing me.
[18:58] <unitypunk> even the pcie wifi card wont connect.
[18:59] <urgodfather> put a tinfoil antenna on it
[18:59] <unitypunk> it keeps asking for the pass
[18:59] <unitypunk> and never connecting.
[18:59] <urgodfather> put a tinfoil antenna on it
[18:59] <unitypunk> idk where the log for that is :-/
[18:59] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> it's a shame this hasn't been updated since Windows 8: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD?_ga=2.102380610.2115462233.1496186978-1155966827.1485186360#The_computer_came_with_Windows_8_and_you_have_not_changed_the_UEFI_setup
[19:00] <unitypunk> Ruff_Wizard[m],  it many not need to be.
[19:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> some of the options have changed since then
[19:00] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: nothing changed seriously
[19:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> at least in name
[19:00] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: they're pretty obvious
[19:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think they call it "fast boot" now
[19:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> lemme check
[19:00] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's not arch or gentoo =)
[19:01] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: fast boot is something else.. you have to turn it off in order to get to boot menu to choose which os you wan tto boot,
[19:01] <urgodfather> sruli is correct about fast boot
[19:01] <LastDream> and secure boot too btw
[19:01] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Entering uefi is a bitch
[19:01] <urgodfather> yep
[19:01] <LastDream> at least when having win10 and laptop
[19:02] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: that's exactly what I have
[19:02] <urgodfather> virtualize it... then you can carry 10 different computers in one
[19:02] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> This is probably the hardest part of the process
[19:02] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: than tur off secure boot) or you won't see usb stick
[19:03] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think I need Windows Boot Manager? I have to do some more research...
[19:03] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: trying it in virtual box sounds like a better idea
[19:03] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: hold down SHIFT key in windows while clicking restart you'll get a menu .. follow it until you find reboot into eufi or something similar
[19:04] <LastDream> or just hit F2 / del or F9
[19:04] <LastDream> in most cases it's something from that list
[19:06] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sruli: that's the easy way. I'll do that. I that. I thought it was f12 but that doesn't do anything after I choose Windows Boot Manager
[19:06] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: not really
[19:06] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: hit F2/del/F8 (check your manufacturer guide)
[19:06] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: not really what?
[19:06] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[BEFORE win loads
[19:07] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I know
[19:07] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> That's what I did. It gave me a menu and I selected Windows Boot Manager and it did nothing.
[19:07] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] what brand laptop do you have
[19:07] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's not that
[19:08] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you should be able to get to uefi or bios
[19:08] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] what brand laptop do you have
[19:08] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Lenovo E560. Now discontinued.
[19:08] <urgodfather> knowing the brand, i can tell you which button to tap when powering it on
[19:09] <urgodfather> dell is f2
[19:09] <urgodfather> hp is esc
[19:09] <urgodfather> etc etc
[19:09] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: should be F2
[19:09] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: or FN+F2
[19:09] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Oh
[19:09] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I got in through shift+restart anyway
[19:09] <urgodfather> damn Fn keys!!!
[19:10] <urgodfather> hate those things
[19:10] <sruli> tried to connect with ssh, hostname wasnt up, sorted that but i still get the erro rcant resolve hostname, how do i clear whichever cache it is that this uses?
[19:11] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: annoying but good for changing volume
[19:12] <LastDream> btw, Ruff_Wizard[m]
[19:12] <LastDream> do you know how to use VI if anythyng goes wrong?
[19:12] <LastDream> ))
[19:12] <i_need_an_adult> can someone help me with virtualbox? i installed via APT but its showing up as command not found
[19:12] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: what is VI?
[19:13] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: sometimes - the only text editor available, if something goes wrong and you need to change some configs
[19:13] <i_need_an_adult> y
[19:13] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Never used it
[19:13] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Just FYI, f2 was not the key
[19:13] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: consider it more of a joke)
[19:13] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: hmm
[19:14] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> But I can use shift+restart
[19:14] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: what was it than?) F2 is typical for lenovo
[19:14] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> F12 gives me some menu
[19:14] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Maybe f10?
[19:16] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> For some reason my computer calls it quick vs. diagnostics boot. No fast or secure boot.
[19:16] <LastDream> f12 should give you normal win boot menu
[19:17] <LastDream> sure
[19:17] <freakynl> Hi, we have random freezes on ubuntu server 16.04 under esxi 6.5. Or 14.04 and 12.04 machines don't suffer from this issue. There's no GUI/X/wayland on the systems, just webservers. See multiple people reporting this, but most have issues whilst using X and didn't see any real solutions other that people suggesting to move to another ESXi version or hyper-visor. Surely there must be a different solution
[19:17] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> But diagnostics is the one I want
[19:17] <LastDream> cause secure boot is disabled in BIOS / UEFI
[19:17] <LastDream> and F12 - is WINDOWS boot menu
[19:17] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: is that not what I want?
[19:17] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: no
[19:17] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: BIOS is a small chip on motherboard with system firmware
[19:18] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Well I'm not on it anyway
[19:18] <i_need_an_adult> installing virtualbox gives me command not found error still even after purge and reinstall
[19:18] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: pressing specific key when power up pc
[19:18] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: let's you enter it's settings
[19:19] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: well maybe F1 will help
[19:19] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: if pressed several times after you press power on
[19:19] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: I understand now. I just didn't know difference between the two.
[19:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I'll try later
[19:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I'm in it now
[19:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I'll let you know what key it was when I find out
[19:21] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: well for me it's just curiosity) I have acer myself)
[19:21]  * CoJaBo just got an Acer plaptop
[19:21] <CoJaBo> almost tnothing seems to be supported :/
[19:21] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think you're right, I think it was F1
[19:21] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Splash screen said F1
[19:22] <CoJaBo> Currenct issue, all the touchpad settings are grayerd out.. why?
[19:22] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: maybe. Don't really know how it looks on old lenovo, but expect you should see blue screen
[19:23] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: with a bunch of tabs and settings
[19:23] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> It's only about 1 year old
[19:23] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> And it was F1
[19:23] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Just did it
[19:23] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: than you need boot section
[19:23] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: check that secure boot off
[19:23] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and usb-boot is on
[19:24] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and usb stick should be on top of the list
[19:24] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: of bootable devices
[19:24] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: so that you'll be able to load from usb stick after reboot
[19:26] <LastDream> * =(
[19:26] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> No secure boot option. I changed Boot Mode from Quick to Diagnostics. USB CD is at the top of the list, but it didn't boot to CD last time. Need to find what option to enable.
[19:26] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Wait
[19:26] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> There is a secure option
[19:26] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> It's off
[19:27] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and you're using CD or USB stick?
[19:27] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> DVD, to be precise.
[19:27] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's external ?
[19:27] <alkisg> (09:18:13 μμ) i_need_an_adult: installing virtualbox gives me command not found error still even after purge and reinstall  ==> put the exact command and output to paste.ubuntu.com
[19:27] <Durgeoble> hi
[19:27] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Internal optical drive
[19:28] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: well USB CD seems strange than
[19:28] <alkisg> Ruff_Wizard[m]: how did you create the dvd? not all tools support uefi
[19:28] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: as it should be on sata. Maybe other options?
[19:28] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> alkisg: my standard bundled burning software
[19:28] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I got it to work last time
[19:28] <alkisg> Burn iso, right?
[19:28] <alkisg> OK
[19:28] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Yes
[19:29] <akik> i_need_an_adult: the command is called VirtualBox
[19:29] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> There must be an option for CD-ROM boot somewhere
[19:29] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's defined by bootable device list
[19:29] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and it's sorting
[19:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Oh yeah
[19:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> As I thought
[19:30] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: all you need - to have cd in before reboot
[19:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> So that's not an issue
[19:30] <Durgeoble> i'm try to mount /home from nfs server, it mouns ok by ethernet but wait forever with wifi, how can mount by wifi same way as ethernet?
[19:31] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: don't really know what the hell it may be. Last time i used cd was ~6 years ago
[19:31] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]:  =)
[19:31] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: I understand, I appreciate the help.
[19:31] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: just check secure boot once more
[19:31] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it may be turned ON and greyed out
[19:32] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: in that case you should set-up bios password
[19:32] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: reboot with it
[19:32] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and than it will be available to turn off
[19:32] <urgodfather> is selinux enabled on ubuntu 16?
[19:32] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: at least i had that problem when did that to my laptop
[19:33] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: though it was off , but when looked attentivly - it was on and not changeable
[19:33] <chuun> anyone know how to install heimdall to ubuntu 16.04+
[19:33] <chuun> ?
[19:33] <ducasse> urgodfather: no
[19:34] <alkisg> Durgeoble: are you using network manager? did you check to allow that connection for all users?
[19:34] <urgodfather> chuun sudo apt-get install hemidall-flash
[19:36] <chuun> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/heimdall-flash
[19:36] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think I know what was wrong
[19:37] <chuun> urgodfather: E: Unable to locate package heimdall-flash
[19:37] <chuun> xenial main restricted
[19:37] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and?)
[19:38] <Durgeoble> alkisg: i use the default network manager, and can connet by wifi, but for some reason the sistem dont connet until  /home is mounted
[19:38] <ducasse> chuun: it's in the repos, in universe
[19:38] <ducasse> !info heimdall-flash xenial
[19:38] <alkisg> Durgeoble: by default, wifi connections have passwords and are only enabled after the user logs in
[19:38] <LastDream> anyone knows convenient lan scanner?
[19:38] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: I was confusing "USB CD" with my DVD drive. USB CD was at the top.
[19:38] <alkisg> Durgeoble: so, you need to edit the connection, and click on "allow this connection for all users"
[19:39] <chuun> ducasse: okay, how do I add universe?
[19:39] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: hmm maybe. Sonetimes it can't be seen unless you have something in it
[19:39] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: though if you have only one DVD drive what the hell is USB CD than?
[19:40] <ducasse> chuun: look at 'software and updates' under settings
[19:40] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: I think I just ignored it because it has a long name. I think USB CD is boot from USB?
[19:40] <Durgeoble> alkisg:  where is that setting? i see "all users must connet to" but nothing to allow all ussers
[19:40] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: not sure. In general it's called USB volume and visible when usb is plugged in
[19:40] <CoJaBo> Is there aNY way to adjust toubchpad settings in kubuntu?
[19:41] <Scunizi> CD/DVD rom mounts with photo cd installed but I can't see the contents.. Dolphin reports "Could not enter folder /bla/bla/bla" .. any advice how to remedy this?
[19:41] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: anyway, if your DVD is higher priority that HDD/SSD it should skip empty drives and try to load from next on in list
[19:41] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> My DVD drive is ATAPI CD0 HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GUC0N LastDream
[19:41] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> It wasn't at the top
[19:41] <alkisg> Durgeoble: second check box there: http://i.stack.imgur.com/uRMxu.png
[19:42] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it should be gigher that HDD / SSD
[19:42] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: *higher
[19:42] <alkisg> Durgeoble: are you sudoer? I don't know if non-sudoers can see that check box or not
[19:42] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: but it can be not the 1st one
[19:42] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Now I've changed it
[19:42] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: Why not?
[19:42] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: loading just goes that way: check 1st drive. If exits - load
[19:43] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: if nothing in - go to 2nd in list
[19:43] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: so if you have only DVD in, it will anyway come to it
[19:43] <Durgeoble> alkisg: check the box but no VPN configured, and yes, im sudoer an can use sudo command
[19:43] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> But I've just set it to be first?
[19:43] <chuun> thank you ducasse
[19:43] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: ahh ok. just set first) it will be easier)
[19:43] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Ok
[19:44] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I wonder if I can leave quick boot on
[19:44] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: just read later how it checks bootable devices. And how boot order works
[19:44] <ecdhe> on trusty, when I log in as a user, what process sets the value of DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in my environment?
[19:44] <alkisg> Durgeoble: ignore the vpn setting, that was just a random picture from the internet. If you save the wifi connection, you should see it at `sudo ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/`. Then it's good to go.
[19:44] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you can
[19:45] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's about testing
[19:45] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and skipping some system tests
[19:45] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you may have turn on legacy mode
[19:45] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I left quick boot on
[19:45] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: but it depends on your laptop
[19:45] <alkisg> ecdhe: in `ps faux` you should be seeing a dbus-launch command, afaik that's it
[19:45] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> It's working
[19:46] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I,'m in the CD
[19:46] <ecdhe> thanks alkisg
[19:46] <alkisg> np
[19:46] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: well ok) it's simplier that with lenovo)
[19:46] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: for acer i had to change boot mode too)
[19:46] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> LastDream: it is exactly what you say, I think diagnostic boot is just about tests
[19:46] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: nope
[19:47] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you mess windows diagnostic
[19:47] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> And the windows logo looks stretched
[19:47] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: and bios tests
[19:47] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Yeah
[19:47] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: that's totaly different things
[19:47] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> And it makes the logo look stretched too
[19:47] <LastDream> Ruff_Wizard[m]: lol. It's low resolution
[19:48] <Durgeoble> alkisg: i can see it
[19:48] <alkisg> Durgeoble: nice, so, your wifi connection should be up before login, and so you should be able to mount home
[19:49] <Durgeoble> but i cant, sistem waits forever if use wifi but i can mount manually after system is ready
[19:49] <ecdhe> alksig, found dbus-launch on my trusty system.  Then I checked on my xenial systems, and it's not running there.  Any idea how DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS gets set on xenial?
[19:50] <ecdhe> dbus-daemon shows up
[19:50] <LastDream> anyone knows tools to list all available smb shares?
[19:51] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Question: if I install Ubuntu now, and in future I free up more space on my hard drive, will Ubuntu be able to make use of some of that space?
[19:52] <ecdhe> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you'd have to resize the partitions
[19:53] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> ecdhe: Is that difficult to do or a bad idea in any way?
[19:53] <ecdhe> Ruff_Wizard[m]: it's not hard; I used gparted, it works really well.
[19:53] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> OK.
[19:53] <ecdhe> Ruff_Wizard[m]: you should always back up your files before you use any partition editor though.
[19:54] <kmc> hi, I'm trying to do multiarch (amd64 on armhf via QEMU) but I can't get apt to play along
[19:54] <kmc> if I try:  sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64
[19:54] <kmc> then I get:   E: Package 'libc6:amd64' has no installation candidate
[19:54] <kmc> same for any package I try
[19:54] <magic_1> hi all
[19:54] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I have backed up my main files atm
[19:54] <magic_1> hope everyone is having a great one
[19:54] <kmc> I already did dpkg --add-architecture amd64
[19:54] <kmc> and added [arch=armhf,amd64] to my sources.list
[19:54] <nacc> kmc: what you are saying doesn't make sese
[19:54] <nacc> kmc: why would the same host have both armhf and amd64?
[19:54] <kmc> https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation
[19:55] <nacc> kmc: one would be inn the qemu system
[19:55] <kmc> no
[19:55] <nacc> kmc: one would be in the host
[19:55] <kmc> this is qemu USERSPACE emulation
[19:55] <kmc> i've done it before with chroots
[19:55] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Another thing, is Ubuntu known to have any problems with scaling? My screen looks like this:
[19:55] <kmc> but i want to avoid that here
[19:55] <magic_1> anyone got some advice for the following, my external hdd disconnect and then reconnected, now all the sudden I am getting the following error, exited with non-zero exit status 32
[19:55] <nacc> kmc: your host is armhf?
[19:55] <kmc> yes
[19:55] <kmc> odroid xu4
[19:55]  * Ruff_Wizard[m] uploaded an image: file1509652535372.jpg (1663KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hbgqklVMAKrkYYhUmpNNftKP>
[19:56] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Oh crap I forget that this is irc
[19:57] <kmc> qemu userspace emulation emulates a single process, and translates the syscalls so they go to the real host kernel
[19:57] <kmc> when everything's set up properly it lets you just run a foreign architecture binary as though it were native
[19:57] <kmc> there's no futzing with VM configurations, and no wasting RAM on a whole nother kernel and userspace
[19:57] <kmc> anyway I'll try the schroot method
[19:59] <ecdhe> Any idea how the environment variable DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS gets set on xenial when a user logs in?
[20:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> WTF, the installer hasn't detected Windows 10
[20:01] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I think I need to try with quick boot turned off
[20:02] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Or rather, fast startup
[20:04] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I wonder if fast startup and quick boot are the same thing
[20:04] <ducasse> Ruff_Wizard[m]: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#General_principles - there's a note on it here
[20:07] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> "In your firmware, disable QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT). If you have Windows 8, also disable Fast Startup."
[20:07] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> "also disable Fast Startup" implies that it is not the same as Quick Boot.
[20:07] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: fast startup, is a windows option to skip bios, fast boot is a bios option to skip some checks on boot
[20:08] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I wonder what happens if I only disable one or the other
[20:08] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I'll do both, to do everything correctly, but I'm just curious
[20:09] <Scunizi> CD/DVD rom mounts with photo cd installed but I can't see the contents.. Dolphin reports "Could not enter folder /bla/bla/bla" .. any advice how to remedy this?
[20:12] <ioria> Scunizi, you mean you have media format files on that cd/dvd ?   ubuntu-restricted-extras is installed ?
[20:15] <CoJaBo> well, i can move the mouse pointer now. Just have to figure out how to use middle-click, sound, and backspace <_<
[20:21] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Is it possible that scaling can be different on an Ubuntu LiveCD vs an install?
[20:28] <sruli> Ruff_Wizard[m]: do you mean screen resolution?
[20:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I mean how big things are; how well things are adapted to fit the resolution, if you like
[20:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I have shit-tons of white space on the sides in my browser
[20:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> In firefox
[20:30] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> And the controls are kinda small but I can live with that
[20:31] <brainwash> ecdhe: could be the doing of the package dbus-user-session
[20:32] <archpc> anyone else run kaby lake mobile hardware get a ton of ACPI errors on boot and shutdown?
[20:34] <ioria> archpc, ubuntu version ?
[20:35] <archpc> 17.10
[20:35] <archpc> considering moving to 16.04 lts
[20:37] <ioria> archpc, nope, i think newer ,, in your case, is betetr
[20:38] <ioria> *better
[20:38] <archpc> hm
[20:38] <archpc> it seems so.. broken
[20:39] <archpc> some stuff just doesn't work, like the unity/gnome WiFi menu on the top right
[20:39] <ioria> archpc, any other issue ? apart the spam
[20:39] <ioria> archpc, you installed unity ?
[20:39] <archpc> no, it's gnome
[20:39] <ioria> ok
[20:39] <archpc> im so used to calling it unity
[20:39] <archpc> random little freezes, ACPI errors, and stop jobs to the point where it takes 30 min to shutdown
[20:42] <ioria> archpc,  that could be a wifi issue
[20:43] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/1725690
[20:44] <archpc> so I have to update my kernel apparently
[20:45] <archpc> and find firmware
[20:45] <ioria> archpc,  that is for Qualcomm Atheros ? you have it ?
[20:45] <archpc> yea
[20:45] <ioria> oky
[20:53] <alexas> am working in virtual terminal and with small periodicy my screen display the message [18901.219419] (numbers may wary) rtlwifi: AP off, try to reconnect now. - this definitely not belongs to my text editor am working in, and if i press refresh screen hotkey it will be gone, but will appear again some moments later. am looking at the way to get rid of this, any advice where to look at would be welcomed
[20:53] <nacc> alexas: soudns like you are on a console, rather than ssh'd in?
[20:53] <nacc> alexas: those are kernel messages
[20:54] <alexas> nacc: i have different terminal with different things going, in both this being displayed, i suppose it important and to do with a network settings but apparently it is not affecting the workflow, it only show itself. would like to rid off it.
[20:55] <archpc> i did "dmesg | grep firmware" but no warnings showed, so should I update the kernel
[20:55] <alexas> or debug it
[20:55]  * archpc isn't a kernel debugger
[20:55] <alexas> archpc: sorry, am talking to myself here
[20:55] <akik> alexas: there's a way to control what is shown in the console https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13019/description-of-kernel-printk-values
[20:57] <alexas> akik: so i suppose if it is an issue on that level i better debug it then just close my eyes on it
[20:57] <alexas> can someone help me of where should i look, i guess i just need to google that error...
[20:57] <akik> alexas: if it's a message you don't care about or can't do anything for
[20:58] <alexas> akik: i just want to find out why it's happening, for now i can ignore it really, but ultimately would be good to find out what is happening
[20:59] <urgodfather> how'd it go with that guy that wanted to put ubuntu on his lenovo?
[21:00] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] you still here?
[21:00] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Turns out that Firefox scaling can be fixed by tweaking the about: config
[21:00] <urgodfather> what did you end up doing?
[21:00] <urgodfather> dual boot?
[21:02] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: install didn't detect windows and it turned out that I need to turn off a couple more boot settings but in the meantime I've got stuck faffing around in the Ubuntu livecd and also IRL stuff
[21:02] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> The fact that scaling is not good by default got me worried but I've managed to fix Firefox, as I say
[21:03] <urgodfather> how was it not good?
[21:05] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Firefox was small as shit. Pages had white space at the sides. I've changed some setting and now it seems better
[21:05] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> A PCWorld article helped mr
[21:05] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> *me
[21:10] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] try to go easy on the cussing
[21:11] <archpc> alright, on the problematic ubuntu system
[21:11] <archpc> Linux laptop 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 11 18:35:14 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:12] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: alright, I'm sorry
[21:13] <UsQUE> anyone know why I can't connect to mysql server remote? do I need to add static ip address somewhere ? I'm using ubuntu server 17.10
[21:13] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> IDK if it's only on the LiveCD or what, but for some reason some text and images look less crisp than on windows
[21:13] <archpc> Ruff_Wizard[m], check your screen res
[21:13] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I know this is not objective, but still
[21:13] <archpc> for some reason mine defualted to 768p when it's a 1080 panel, changed it and it's great
[21:14] <Ben64> UsQUE: normally mysql only listens on localhost
[21:14] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> archpc: it's set to my screen res
[21:14] <archpc> hm
[21:14] <archpc> what font
[21:14] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Maybe I should just stop faffing around and install it and see what happens
[21:16] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> archpc: what do you mean?what system font am I using?
[21:16] <archpc> yeah
[21:17] <archpc> on my end the ubuntu regular font looks way better than on windows
[21:17] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I haven't changed system font
[21:17] <archpc> hmm
[21:17] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Idk how to find font anyway
[21:18] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Could it be that the LiveCD looks worse than an install will?
[21:18] <archpc> so, how does one update the kernel
[21:18] <archpc> i don't think so, maybe your gpu driver?
[21:19] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Could it be that the LiveCD version doesn't have a necessary driver or something?
[21:19] <archpc> possibly, what're your specs?
[21:19] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Um
[21:19] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Intel 520 Graphics + AMD R7 M370
[21:19] <archpc> hmm
[21:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> The second one is for gaming
[21:20] <urgodfather> Ruff_Wizard[m] throw it out and get a mac
[21:20] <archpc> lol
[21:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> urgodfather: lol
[21:20] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Is that what you use?
[21:21] <urgodfather> for the real work
[21:21] <urgodfather> linux is play
[21:21] <urgodfather> and well windows is just winblows
[21:21] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> How so?
[21:21] <urgodfather> for me...
[21:22] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I mean about Linux
[21:23] <urgodfather> i use linux for vairous tasks... different flavors for different roles... i.e. libreelec for my HTPC, Kali for forensics stuff, ubuntu for roles like the imaging server i just built.
[21:24] <urgodfather> chat tomorrow time to go
[21:25] <archpc> and apparently 17.10 doesn't have an HWE kernel, so i have to find a kernel PPA or something
[21:25] <nacc> archpc: that statement sort of implies ignorance of what the HWE kernel is
[21:26] <porfa> haha i just got spammed and called a negro
[21:26] <nacc> !mainline | archpc: for mainline builds.
[21:26] <porfa> anyone else?
[21:26] <porfa> at least call me something ofensive, it’s 2017..!
[21:27] <archpc> nacc, wrong term, sorry lol
[21:48] <de-facto> Is there any known upgrade mechanism from a freshly installed "Ubuntu Gnome 17.04" to "Ubuntu 17.10"? Just trusting the standard Canonical Upgrader results in a system with is unable to login...
[21:50] <de-facto> It seemed to have replaced gdm3 with ubuntu colored login and it wont load any desktop. nor does it create any Xorg.0.logs probably because of that fancy new wayland :(
[21:52] <tpgillam> de-facto: I did that, and it worked for me. What desktop options are presented to you? Apparently 'Ubuntu' uses Wayland, but (at least for me) there is a 'Gnome' option which uses Gnome 3 + Xorg
[21:54] <de-facto> it was on a pc at work,  but i tried some of the login DEs and none of them worked
[21:54] <de-facto> accepted password, then screen became black for some seconds and bounced back to password prompt
[21:54] <de-facto> just wanted to gather some ideas so i can try to fix it tomorrow
[21:54] <de-facto> i really dont want to reinstall that ...
[21:55] <tpgillam> Hmm. Can you login text-only, via Ctrl-Alt-F1? If so perhaps if it's a Gnome problem then something lightweight (e.g. XFCE) could be installed and used whilst figuring out the problem
[21:56] <tpgillam> And yep, understood. Could be video driver issue if it's a fresh upgrade
[21:57] <tpgillam> so if nvidia, might be worth (un)installing proprietary drivers, in case whichever you're using at the moment don't work?
[21:57] <tpgillam> (same if AMD I would assume)
[21:57] <de-facto> yes i can login on ttyX
[21:57] <de-facto> i think its intel
[21:58] <de-facto> dell something
[21:58] <tpgillam> Am surprised that there's no Xorg log file even when using the Xorg session, that doesn't seem right.
[21:59] <de-facto> yeah its an unmodified default install instead of having its own home partition which i put in /etc/fstab all other OS is default
[22:00] <de-facto> yeah video drivers was my first suspect hence i searched Xorg.0.log from ttyX but since it wasnt there i called it a day
[22:00] <de-facto> have to look into video issues tomorrow then
[22:00] <de-facto> where does wayland log to?
[22:01] <tpgillam> I don't know myself, but this seems useful: https://askubuntu.com/questions/835359/wayland-crash-log-file
[22:02] <tpgillam> Which suggests it might just be in syslog
[22:04] <de-facto> thats a good idea i will look into syslog for entire boot process tomorrow
[22:05] <de-facto> thanks
[22:08] <de-facto> in case that doesnt work: is there a meta package equivalent to a "Ubuntu GNOME 17.10" (which as distro doesnt exist) for a pure (default) gnome experience?
[22:09] <akik> de-facto: install gnome-session and you'll get it
[22:10] <de-facto> ok thanks
[22:14] <rawruw> I ran "sudo /sbin/init 1".. instantly got a black screen saying something about rescuing and "press CTRL+D to continue", I did and it's now just repeating the loading splash screen for the distro :P. What did I just do?
[22:18] <nacc> rawruw: you ran a command as root and didn't know what it did?
[22:20] <rawruw> nacc: hey, being a linux admin on a nuclear sub isn't easy.
[22:21] <nacc> rawruw: init <N> boots into that legacy SysV runlevel
[22:21] <nacc> rawruw: 1 is rescue mode
[22:22] <alazyworkaholic> What does this line in /etc/default/grub do? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="persistent"
[22:26] <genii> It makes the GRUB menu always appear, even if you only have 1 kernel and 1 OS
[22:30] <ReedK0> Is there a dark-screen overlay in ubuntu desktop?
[22:34] <alazyworkaholic> genii: thank you!
[22:36] <alazyworkaholic> How can one have multiple monitors display different TTY sessions without X (CTRL+ALT+Fx text console)? Maybe with an additional framebuffer device?
[22:42] <rh10> guys, how can i turn on hybernate instead of suspend? in power setting onf suspend is shown, and it does not work with my machine
[22:42] <rh10> xubuntu 16.04
[22:42] <alexas> I dunno which instance of my system is to blame, but here is what happen.
[22:42] <alexas> My emacs version is 27.0.50 and am running it under Ubuntu 17.10 in
[22:42] <alexas> 	 virtual terminal (aka console mode) and if I press for example M-x
[22:42] <alexas> 	 and got myself to echo area and there I type command that I want to
[22:43] <alexas> 	 cansel with C-g if I pressed it two times and then I press backspace
[22:43] <alexas> 	 my emac is got feezed and do not react to any input untill I kill the
[22:43] <alexas> 	 process, and even after that the terminal instance still remain
[22:45] <rh10> if someone interesting there is answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/462472/xubuntu-14-04-how-to-enable-hibernate
[22:46] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> I don't feel like bothering people here again and it's almost bedtime but I've disabled Quick Boot and Fast Startup and the Ubuntu installer still doesn't detect Windows 10 and I don't know what to do.
[22:48] <oerheks> Ruff_Wizard[m], one thing i can think of is Intel SRT, see #2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#General_principles
[22:49] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> What category would that be under in the options?
[22:50] <oerheks> Ruff_Wizard[m], not sure, it is in the bios, but intel only
[22:50] <oerheks> else there should be no reason not to boot uefi mode and detect any windows
[22:51] <archpc> should I be worried about the ACPI errors? https://paste.ubuntu.com/25875798/
[22:53] <Prest0o> why everything made on linux is so ugly ?
[22:54] <archpc> Prest0o, example?
[22:54] <nacc> Prest0o: do you have an actual support question?
[22:54] <oerheks> philosophical in #ubuntu-discuss please
[22:56] <Prest0o> archpc
[22:56] <Prest0o> gnumeric for example
[22:56] <Prest0o> abiword
[22:56] <Prest0o> and so on
[22:57] <Prest0o> all looks programed by the same visual designer
[22:57] <Prest0o> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Gnumeric_1.6.3_Ubuntu.png
[22:57] <Prest0o> check this out, all the buttons with huge margins,
[22:57] <archpc> so make your own :D
[22:58] <Prest0o> compare this image with the one of WPS office for example
[22:58] <Prest0o> https://i0.wp.com/softwarejourney.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/WPS_spreadsheet.png
[22:58] <Prest0o> thats a huge visual impact on style and perfection
[22:59] <Prest0o> i mean, its like comparing a kid drawing with a profesional painter
[22:59] <Prest0o> the symmetry is respected
[23:00] <Prest0o> and squared, aligned...
[23:00] <Prest0o> abiword, gnumeric, and so on... even the menus around linux for configuration are made same way
[23:00] <nacc> Prest0o: so, no, you don't have a support question.
[23:00] <nacc> Prest0o: please follow oerheks' advice, either #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <Prest0o> nacc technical support?
[23:01] <Prest0o> well, i had a problem but its related on lubuntu
[23:01] <Prest0o> dont know if it apply on this channel
[23:01] <nacc> Prest0o: yes, that's a supported flavor
[23:01] <nacc> Prest0o: and yes, i meant this is a technnical support channel
[23:02] <Prest0o> o am on windows right now, next time i open again the USB Live i will join to ask then,
[23:06] <oerheks> there is a tweak tool, tons of themes that might do better
[23:07] <Prest0o> even if there is a way to fix this mess, why dont make it correct by default?
[23:08] <Prest0o> microsft might be as crap as you want but i can't complain on symmetry and margins,
[23:10] <oerheks> Prest0o, please continue your rant in offtopic, stop it here.
[23:11] <oerheks> your issue is not valid, as 1.6.3 is way old.
[23:12] <Prest0o> ok
[23:19] <porfa> how (if possible) can i load a page inside a page?… i have a main .html file and when i request it, i want it to display its code but also code from a page in another server that is also mine. (im crossheping in linux and html)
[23:24] <EriC^^> porfa: wrong channel
[23:25] <EriC^^> porfa: try #web
[23:46] <kubunted> why does kubuntu freeze desktop everyfew minutes ?
[23:54] <shazbotmcnasty> Hey there, I'm having issues with erpxe booting systemrescuecd. The erpxe is set up on ubuntu 16.04 MATE.
[23:55] <shazbotmcnasty> when booting to it over the network it grabs rescue64 and initram.igz just fine, but then it tries to connect via http to grab the last file, and it times out.
[23:56] <shazbotmcnasty> I can wget the file via the same path, but for some reason it can't get it when booting. Might anyone have any suggestions?
[23:56] <shazbotmcnasty> the path it goes for is http://172.16.5.131/shares/er/sysrescue/sysrcd.dat
[23:56] <shazbotmcnasty> and if i wget that url i get the file just fine from another machine