 @UniversalSuperBox, no.
 Hello, there are no plans to make the firmware Xiaomi Mi5?
 Nop so far this device isn't on the list of the Halium community, as far as i know
 is halium dev being tracked anywhere other than xdg? or is that the primary place to look for news about halium?
 I wish there woas a port for one of querty phones, Ubuntu terminal on a qwerty phone that would imho be a real deal
 MIS on the go
 2016 qwerty phones: https://www.lifewire.com/best-text-messaging-phones-577399
 2017 qwerty phones: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/best-qwerty-phones/
 and BB has moved over to Android which makes halium applicable to it
 If you'd like to port, we love new devices!
 I would port to Motorola Flipout
 but afaik cannot bedone, too old android
 https://flash.newegg.com/Product/9SIAAG56AN4517  <— maybe not as applicable as a phone, but pocket sized terminal device
 @lazypower, absolutely amazing
 @KrisJacewicz Found your conversation about ssh and X-forwarding for UT phone apps brilliant.  I have been anaylzing that concept and seeing how that fits in with convergence.
 @KrisJacewicz, Its great to use terminal app in those devices
 but it's on Atom, meaning it can run on regular Ubuntu
 WOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8te-pw2Pql8
 I am going to get that, I found it even 2nd hand online
 HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnIV29HwgrI
 @KrisJacewicz, Would it make since to have an UT flavor for the GPD?
 @Crash_Burn, IMHO no
 unless it has touch screen and detachable
 otherwise why if you can have a full regular Ubuntu on it
 what woudl make a lot of sense though....
 is to create an end-user software that you put both on UT and regular Ubuntu that makes your devices work like an ecosystem
 like Apple does
 deamons running on both UT and regular Ubuntu
 that make your devices see each other seamlessly
 like a UT own alternative to KDEConnect
 I would even gladly help with work on that
 Dual channel memory, looks well built.  What is the use case for something so small?  my sweet spot is 5" phone, 10" tablet and 15" laptop.  Just curious, not docking it.  I would order one now if I could.
 GPD has touch screen turns out, but apparently not detachable
 ha, was just about to say that.
 Why was Majaro rotated 90?
 @KrisJacewicz, These are some great ideas for Convergence.  I like how your are putting some of your concepts into action and building new ones.  I'll discuss through my channels how we could get this idea launched.
 thank you!
 Thx
 @Crash_Burn @SergioSRM  Thanks for the help. Actually I understood that the old tools were missing but I looked for a PPA instead of simples .deb files. Why make things simple when they could be complicated? 😅
 Yeah, I'll try the AppImage first tonight as it seems testers are needed there. If fails, I'll go try to find those .deb files. Thanks for the dependencies fix, I would have not think about it.
 Are there any sound improvement modules available for phones? I'm using A.R.I.S.E on Android
 Does it take a while for the fairphone to boot into recovery mode? Mine is taking very long to do so
[07:51] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> yes that is normal
[08:13] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Greg it should take 20 minutes, but @Stereofont / Lionelb was already trying to help you, no succes? What is your Fairphone model, the newest one: FP2?
[08:14] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Becouse there where some recent hardware changes in Fairphone, and the installation tool stopped working so I imagine there are made updates for FP2 now
 Yes, I was using CPT and didn't realise I wasn't in recovery mode (I'm not very smart) I'd installed recovery but needed to reboot and install which was why it was taking a while
[08:16] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> ok, do not forget to inform us also when you succed, regards
 I had a dream.. and it was supergroups
 @Anghirrim, At this stage it is about getting speakers working. My guess is that when the base is 16.04 there will be a lot more effort into refinement
 Hi folks
 have you tried any mail client that works?
 Morning Juanxo
 Dekko2 has some limitations but it is developing
 well
 for me it's not working at the moment
 no inox mails at all
 Are you trying to use Gmail?
 *inbox sorry
 no
 just corporate mail and mail.com account
 Using IMAP?
[09:28] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, @Flohack is online, he can see your message MD, be patient, remember when you were just a small boy expecting a present, enjoy looking forward 😊
 Telegram is also a moving target. Like trying to jump onto a train
 @malditobastardo, Morning guys, bascially I could give you the current Telegram with supergroups, but we have some nasty issue which prevents seeing reply messages. That really makes Telegram not very useful, so I postponed it again a little bit. I hope I can find a solution for that, its kind of regression bug, as it already worked ;)
 @Juanxo, There are some power users of Dekko 2 on here. Hopefully they will contribute some advice
 @Stereofont Ok, thanks anyway. I'll stay around
 @Juanxo, For me personally, Thunderbird meets my needs
 @Juanxo, I thought the same but it's just because is loading. Let it some time and you will see your emails
 Another question. I'm playing with my Nexus 5 and UT, where can I report bugs or make new proposals? Is this the place to do it?
 @SergioSRM, Is there a WiFi only selector?
[09:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Juanxo, yes it is, are you on devel?
 On devel?
[09:36] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> sorry mistake
 @Juanxo, Here is okay as a quick check to see if it is well known or a 'me too'
[09:36] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> go in top bar menu
 @Stereofont, Sorry I don't know. what do you mean?
[09:36] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> to system
[09:36] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> and you will see repor a bug
 I think no. I'm a normal user/tester.
[09:37] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> click and you will be on github page were you can report a bug
 @Juanxo, Reporting bugs depends whether it is core e.g. camera or an app from a developer. Here, important information can be missed as it floats by
 Milan Ok, I see now. Thx.
[09:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> but what @Stereofont says is also important, my comment was about OS
 @SergioSRM, If there are 3Mb attachments in email you don't want those while you are on data
 @Stereofont Yes I suppose. That's why I'm asking. Don't want to be all the time "this is not workin" "this freezes every time I check it" "how could I..."
 this kind of questions
 Reporting bugs via OpenStore and apps directly is an area for work. Better feedback = better functioning
 Be in contact with the developers and let them know
 @Juanxo, Most of those are known. A quick check in here is good for those
 @Stereofont, Ah ok!  … Yes, I always check that👍
 The UBports forums are a good place for a more permanent comment or feature suggestion
[09:43] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> for Dekko bugs: https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject
 Others like freezing, 3 time block button to wake up, battery draining I think are known "bugs"
 As I have read here before
[09:44] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Juanxo, you can check it at above link I sent
 At the moment, things are a bit difficult because 16.04 is quite close. Lots of effort on 15.04 is not attractive when it will be trashed soon
 Milan Right. Just trying to know how to help without disturbing too much
 😁
 @Juanxo, If it is on topic, go for it
[09:46] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, exactly
 Others will learn from comments here
 @Stereofont Milan Thx you all
 All members have equal rights. Just that the admins are more equal 😂
 😄
 Its been stuck on the fairphone powered by android screen for the past 2 hours, it doesn't seem to want to boot into recovery
[11:05] <tgBot> Miroslav Kotora was added by: Miroslav Kotora
 @Greg, I suggest that you try the new appimage tool
 Recovery screen is weird on FP2
 I have got it into the recovery screen before with the ubports installer but then trying to boot it into the bootloader hanged for like an hour which caused me to try CPT
 I used MDT but I think the appimage may be better now
 OK I'll try that later, I have to go out now
 Okay
 i think we can make the installer even easier to use, maybe show some images of the actual phones at the current step. so when it's in recovery maybe show an image with what you should see on the phone
 etc
 @Greg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVCbzuvV7QU
 yes
 something like this but with images :))
 or videos
 @popescu_sorin, Great idea. Although with FP2 it is a blank screen lol
 and maybe add a bit of debug info, something like..  try other usb cable, is the phone unlock? and how to see , is adb workging etc
 I had to pause the video about ten times and wind back but it was very useful and confidence building
 all the recuring things that people ask
 marius made the video for noobs like me :)))
 Easier if there is one install system, rather than about four
 yep
 Also the appimage may (??) be so easy that it needs no guidance
 yep
 Other than patience with the very slow first boot
 Juanxo are you here?
 Yes
 @bastos777, Ah good. A Dekko2 tutorial 😎
 @Stereofont, ?
 @bastos777, Sorry. I thought you were about to launch into one
 I wanted to verify if Juanxo is still in this group
 He was asking for guidance on Dekko a bit earlier. I was hoping someone would be able to give some detailed advice
 Juanxo , regarding Dekko2 the developer is quite responsive at https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues
 (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/iTZq9Q7D/file_1647
 @Juanxo, Did your emails load yet?
[11:46] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> Question, I have noticed that I miss often calls because the ringer is on low volume, with or without vibrate. Is it very difficult to program that with incoming calls the ringer volume is set to max straigt away or that the ringer setting for incoming calls is independed from the general volume settings? It's quite annoying..... … Using meizu mx4
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0QwXkG3q/file_1649.jpg i installed ubuntu touch on my used nexus 4 with ubports installer , installation running smooth, apt-get update not working
 @Frank Gores, It is not really a solution but you can hack a more insistent ringtone
 @Frank Gores, Sorry but we will not implement max ringer volume. If the volume is not according to your settings, its a bug on this device. On all other devices this works fairly well
 @amrhelmy2004, You are not supposed to use apt-get ;)
 @amrhelmy2004, apt-get update isn't available. It is not desktop Ubuntu
 @Stereofont, Clashing high frequency is more easily noticed at low volume. A fix for now?
 @Stereofont, A flashing screen would be a good hack for the deaf?
 @amrhelmy2004, Just to clarify, this is a cut down version of Ubuntu. It doesn't have the full capabilities of the desktop versions. Yet 😎
[11:57] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Miroslav Kotora, Hello Miroslav Kotora and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page … (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Seems like here in Finland there is growing interest about UT/UBports. Few people have asked about how it works, supported phones and tutorials. It would be nice idea to make "professional" looking install and review videos. And add those videos to UBports homepage..
 @samitormanen, Yeah actually we plan to do some videos. But its a great effort :)
 @samitormanen, @Mohannes
 @samitormanen, The Fairphone video is good but it is about attitudes,  not hands on
 @samitormanen, 👍 Some of us in First Responders are working on the Installation wiki as well.
 Plus, I must admit, one day we must think about content in local languages ^^
 @Flohack, Yes, that would be nice
 @samitormanen, I would love to have more Finnish people on board, you have some really good programmers. I especially remember this Finnish guy who developed Preware, an awesome set of tools for tweaking WebOS back in the days.
 @TomasOqvist, Hmm send them all here ^^
 @TomasOqvist, 😁 I know few pro android/ios coders, but seems like they are not interested about Ubports.. YET!
 The problem is, you need someone who has experience with Linux OS / Ubuntu (because of init system, upstart, systemd etc) and with Android (because of building/porting). They are noteasy to fin
 @Crash_Burn, Good to know! 👍
[12:13] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @amrhelmy2004, By default the system is read-only. You can switch to read-write mode, although this disables Ubuntu system upgrades.The main purpose for this is developing the Ubuntu system directly. This is not required for developing apps or using the system normally. Recovering from read-write mode is possible but requires reinstalling the system from scratch. Warning: Switching a device to read-write mode (and/or recovering from it) is an
[12:13] <tgBot> advanced feature and may result in complete data loss. Warning: Switching a device to read-write mode disables automatic over-the-air delta updates. Accepting a full over-the-air update after making a device writable may undo changes you have made. "
[12:15] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> @Flohack, Ok, so what you are saying is that when I have set my volume (volume up/down) switches on the side, on other devices the ringer tone is independent of this volume setting?
 @Frank Gores, No I am saying that the volume control is the same on all devices (should be the same)... :)
 @Flohack, Yes. I know it's a bit complicated system at this moment. I hope someday Halium will help with that..
[12:18] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> Hmm, ..it doesn't solves the issue but ok. I have to check regulary the volume in that case
 A ship's bell is a good harmonic. Made to be heard in fog 😃
[12:19] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Frank Gores, We say: not good but OK
[12:21] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> @Milan Korecky, Will Keep that in mind..😉
 @samitormanen, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
 Cool 😎
[13:11] <tgBot> Lukas Fluri was added by: Lukas Fluri
 @Lukas Fluri, Hello Lukas and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Flohack, Unless I missed something, there is nothing stopping us from caring about this right now.  It just takes someone to step up and become the 'translations/langguages' person and start building a team.  We just did it with Ubuntu Touch First Responders and we just need to build a languages team and then from there the 'local' groups from each area (In my loud opinion).  Or am I wrong?
 @Stereofont, Oh, look at that.  A First Responder in action...   volunteers for language team, anyone?  :)
 Why this image ( https://ubports.com/web/image/2452 ) is so big, 3358x3358px and 5.4MB? Is should scale down a lot. It slows down page loading.. 😳
 it might be because... I suck?
 throw your web darts at me and I'll do my best to resolve
 thanks for foodback
 @wayneoutthere, No you dont! I was just a suggestion. 😉
 ;)
 we'll make quick progress soon
 I was wondering why it loads so long. https://gtmetrix.com/reports/ubports.com/aK6QSa6M
 we have some things we're working on so thanks for everyone's feedback.
 yeah... @UniversalSuperBox likes that feature
 he wants slower
 but i said it's slow enough
 😁
 I try always keep page size just in 2-3MB, and loading time maximum 2-3seconds.
 @samitormanen, 😱
 @wayneoutthere, me me me
 and by the way
 (Photo, 536x231) https://irc.ubports.com/rQz0R3hf/file_1651.jpg
 I had this ideea months ago
 @ebetonro, this is SO LOL
 we are chatting about languagse right now in another group... we were thinking about setting up a language group right now.
 hmm
 I saw that
 oh
 not so lol then
 i thought you were in my head
 but I think this is on topic subject
 not an off topic
 it is. for sure.  quick question are you interested in another language other than english?
 romanian
 thanks
 I do most of the translations from translate.ubports.com for romanian
 @wayneoutthere, np
 @ebetonro, I think it would be best if the Foundation has rights to the domains and others volunteer funding?
 @Stereofont, agree
 must be this way
 or better anyway
 keeps things focused
 What I was thinking is to buy in the name of the foundation and pay for that domain name but in order to do that I need to have foundation details
 @ebetonro, @Flohack ...  you rock the foundation don't you?
 German would be an idea, too. (Where I also want to mention @Flohack why ever). What do the ubports guys think?
 we're working on this topic now... anyone interested in this topic (lanuages) for now please PM me on the side
 if you aren't willing to help a bit, though, don't PM me on the side
 @Lukas Fluri, Did you find everything you need?
 @wayneoutthere, The concern was that if we form a lets say non-English subgroup in Telegram for example, people wont get all news because they maybe will leave here
 So we need to make sure to broadcast all important annou ncements,
 @ebetonro, Let the foundation do it, we are already planning this
 But the problem is even more with the web pages: How to ensure constant quality and in-time translations. We already struggle with our English page ^^
 But telegram groups I can imagine
 @Flohack, Is the focus on UbPorts website only or UT as well?
 @Flohack, Ok
[14:29] <tgBot> <Lukas Fluri> @Stereofont, Thanks a lot for the welcome! :) I just got myself a fairphone 2 and as soon as I've got some spare time, I'm going to give the ubuntu touch a try. ;) I'm gonna join the newcomers room if I have questions.
 @Anghirrim, Actually we want to have 2 pages already, one for UBports foundation, 1 for Ubuntu Touch ^^
 Spanish here 🙋‍♂
 @Flohack, Webpages?
 yes
 Ok, so no need for translation on the UT OS itself
 No I think you misunderstand: We will have eventually 2 webpages on 2 domains
 The operating system itself is already translated into many languages
 @Flohack, Yep, that was my question.
 And we hope to be able to add new ones soon @adriamm I cross my fingers ^^
 Basically problem is that we take all languages from Ubuntu Desktop upstream
 I did not misunderstand, I just did not understand. 😂
 And also a lot of their translation work
 ^^
 So all languages supported on the phone correspond to the official languages of Ubuntu on desktop
 But I hope we can add new ones on our side also soon
 Ok, clear. Which has a good basis so far.
 That's cool.
 C u later now on mobile still without supergroup meh ^^
 @Flohack Are there strings about phone operating systems I speak about ubuntu desktop translations?
 So is there any opened translation page for the UbPorts Fundation plus UT? Or this is a nice idea just being evaluated?
 @ebetonro, Eh? repeat for me ^^
 @Anghirrim, https://translate.ubports.com
 for example
 @Flohack, Thanks
 in the desktop version of ubuntu
 I do not think there is a string like "Make a call" in translations
 No strings not, but the I8N locale settings are from upstream. You cant select a language now that is not in desktop
 thats a pity
 Plus of course in terminal shell, you would not have the new language like Sardinian ^^
 ok
 Which is a community request already
 Got to run guys c u later
 @Lukas Fluri, Important is whether it has a new type screen or an old type screen. Touch works on all FP2 but in some versions does not give screen support 😨
 see ya
 Hi again, who knows the actual state of snaps in UT. Is this going to work?
 @Juanxo, Some will work, some not. They are also quite resource intensive
 View them at the moment as a bit experimental
 They package everything so they are very useful but very inefficient
 Whether they are 'the future' is not really decided
 @popescu_sorin, For anyone interested, the PPA is (finally) populated. … For 17.04 Zesty it also includes rebuilds of qtmir and unity-system-compositor that enable unity8-desktop-session to run on Mir 0.28.
 Lionelb OK, so at the moment the way to make apps for the system is?
 Web apps
 Scopes
 ?
 qml whit clickable
 👍
 There is an app in the OpenStore to make simple webapps. Anyone can make their own with zero skills
 WebApp Creator
 We need UT spesific app developing guides/tutorials for totally beginners (dummies like me). A lot of different examples of simple apps. Miguel has good wip guide, but we need more..
 @Stereofont, Yes but webapos are not the best way to do things
 Not for complicated logins and proprietary feeds though
 @SergioSRM, Agreed. That is why most are not carried over from UbuntuStore
 @samitormanen, +1
 The things we need would fill an encyclopedia 😂
 @Stereofont, True 😆
 @SergioSRM, What would be nice is a universal app that can be tweaked quite easily by noobs to do a variety of different things. An app with an enormous Settings panel
 @alan_griffiths, OMG! thanks! i shall try this! i still have 17.04 with unity8 installed. muahahahahaha
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/OIeEas01/file_1652
 Do we have any statistics about ubports.com website? Unique visitors per month etc..
 (Photo, 1680x1050) https://irc.ubports.com/7Pn00CMI/file_1654.jpg
 waiting for unnatended upgrades to finish, and tehn update 17.04 (500Mb of updates) and tehn install mir 0.28.1
 MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 i think i'll play a steam game while waiting to update
 lol
 @samitormanen, In my own sites I have been using piwik open source software to track visitors..
[15:23] <ehvolevi> Hello, do i need to correct dev to /dev/mmcblk0p* on other partition?
 Nope
[15:24] <ehvolevi> But i have other partitions
[15:24] <ehvolevi> Like firmware,firmware-modem,persist...
 When it comes time to mount those, they are in the right place
 In early init, they are not.
 We only need to get to data to break out of early init into a real system
[15:24] <ehvolevi> Aww, ok :/
[15:25] <ehvolevi> Btw, anyone got caf rootfs working?
[15:25] <ehvolevi> Plasma mobile works well, but ubuntu touch not :(
 Did you get SSH access?
[15:26] <ehvolevi> No
[15:26] <ehvolevi> It freeZes
 What is the device's USB info?
 Easy to find by doing `dmesg -w` and then plugging it in
[15:26] <ehvolevi> Hmm, dont have pc atm hehe
[15:27] <ehvolevi> Just needed dat info :/
 Alright. If it freezes and doesn't give ssh (and is still at 192.168.0.2), it has panicked and is waiting for you to troubleshoot
 The device model name will be 'ubports initrd i hit a nail'
[15:28] <ehvolevi> It gives ssh, but after i type password it freezes, like if you lose ssh connection
 hm
 One thing to check, reformat your /data partition as ext4 if it isn't already and do a check in recovery
[15:29] <ehvolevi> Why?
 What device are you porting to?
[15:30] <ehvolevi> I wont format
[15:30] <ehvolevi> Lux
 Moto X play. Motorola.
[15:31] <ehvolevi> Hmm :D
 Anyway, /data has to be ext4 to ensure Ubuntu Touch is most successful. F2FS is not reliable at all as a backing.
[15:31] <ehvolevi> It's not f2fs
 And you should do a fsck because some devices make incorrect ext4 partitions right away
[15:32] <ehvolevi> Mine is correct
[15:32] <ehvolevi> Plasma mobile works well
 @Flohack, 🎉🎊
 @Milan Korecky, 😺😺
 @Flohack, Thank you boss. It was just a dream. A good one of course, but a dream after all. Keep up the good work man. Step by step, no rush  :).
[15:59] <tgBot> Yann Roth was added by: Yann Roth
 sup Yann
 Welcome @Yann
 Hello Yann and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Flohack, don't worry Mr. El Hacko Florian.This is also everyone's number one concern.  this must be 'coded' into plan... thanks for feedback
 @Flohack, agree - cool. and good to know and thanks
 @alan_griffiths, this seems like news.  Is this news?
 The builds required to run upstream (read: newer) Unity 8 on Ubuntu proper have been released. So... news for someone who wants Unity 8 on the deskop
 (Photo, 1680x1050) https://irc.ubports.com/k1wrxhrw/file_1656.jpg
 @alan_griffiths MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 MUHAHAHAHA
 IT"S ALIVE!!!
 @samitormanen, PIWIK is 'in the works' and 'on the list' thanks for feedback
 unity8 on mir 0.28.1 MUHGAGAGA
 @wayneoutthere, Ok, good to know! 👍
 (Photo, 1680x1050) https://irc.ubports.com/ITVdtKDH/file_1658.jpg
 it's running on xmir, xwayland? lol
 can't tell
 what's alive?  What is it?  Is it news? ;)
 Y U NO TELL ME NEWS?
 Is it good to use? Last time I tried unity 8 on desktop, it wasn't a fun experience.
 @popescu_sorin, Are you running this on 17.04? I just have 16.04 with yunit and 17.10 now
 very news :D unity8 is working on the latest mir 0.28.1
 and car run wayland clients
 i'm on 17.04 yes
 hmmmm
 I am waiting for your videos now :)
 and mir installed from this PPA
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-release-0-28-1/1294
 i'll record some videos
 if i remember how to record :)0
 X-)0
 Marry me :)
 I just added the PPA yesterday
 lol
 @wayneoutthere, Well, it means that Mir 0.28 doesn't break anything essential to Unity8 8.25. So it is usable by Yunit and likely UBports.
[16:33] <tgBot> ajyotirmay was added by: ajyotirmay
 I didn't know @popescu_sorin is here too... … Hi
 @popescu_sorin, Mir can run Wayland clients, but I don't don't see them show up on the U8 desktop. (Probably only needs a small fix, but I havn't the time to investigate.)
 hi Apurv
[16:36] <tgBot> Wesley Hershberger was added by: Wesley Hershberger
[16:36] <tgBot> <Wesley Hershberger> Question Alan: Is it possible to write a desktop shell based on Mir with a different Toolkit than Qt (provided that the toolkit supports Wayland)?
 @Wesley Hershberger, Hello Wesley and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @alan_griffiths, np, i understand that the wayland stuff is at an early stage right now. i'm glad that unity8 runs on the latest mir :D i have something to play with :P
 @Wesley Hershberger, He might have disabled notification so tagging him @alan_griffiths
[16:40] <tgBot> wollie88 was added by: wollie88
 @Wesley Hershberger, Yes, but it isn't yet as easy as I want it to become. But this is off topic here. Could we discuss over on https://community.ubuntu.com/c/mir?
 @wollie88, Hello Martijn and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[16:43] <tgBot> <Wesley Hershberger> Sure, I guess. I'll probably not bring it up right away, but I'll be following the project and we'll see what the future holds for that I guess.
 @ajyotirmay, Hello @ajyotirmay !  A warm welcome to you.   … I'm part of the UBports welcoming team (another one!) … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 welcome @wollie88 to UBports ubuntu touch. If you want to get a first overview, please have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Wesley Hershberger, OK I think Gerry is planning to start up a discussion around this shortly. (FWIW the Mir project contains three example shells none of which use Qt.)
 @wayneoutthere, thanks... … (I think you aren't a bot 😅)
 I'm nearly a bot.  Depends on how much coffee...
 @wayneoutthere, lol
 😁
 Actually.. I"m a WOT (Wayne Out There)
 DANG! That was awesome.  I'm so funnhy
 @wayneoutthere, that's actually cool 😂
 @wayneoutthere, U WOT?
 i"m on Hyper-coffee-meltdown-mode
 U WOT M8?
 that was dope on a rope
 lol guys
 THat's our new band name @PhoenixLandPirate  LOL GUYS
 Live!
 @Flohack  you can play bass
 sadly i now have to work :(
 bye
 Making songs about our day to day open source ubports struggles
 @wayneoutthere, later
 @wayneoutthere, Bye bye
 @wayneoutthere, yes  ^^
 I play guitar, bass and drums.. 😉
 @popescu_sorin, Well, I'm pretty sure that the problem is in Unity8 or QtMir not handling the surface correctly, not in the Wayland support. Maybe you can interest @jsalatas in fixing it.
 something happened that in my apps fonts got screwed and only empty squares are displayed. I did not delete any fonts.
 @samitormanen, also me......
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/BbzkkEUI/file_1660.jpg browser
 hmm
 @KrisJacewicz, woah!  that is so neat.  it's the ultimate in secure browsing
 @wayneoutthere, not so much in convenience though ;)
 not jsut browser, but other apps as well
 not all of them though
 its always a compromise between convenience and privacy brother
 and also another question, when I create app launcher that uses Xmir flags, although it works fine for starting the app, but later when I switch to another app, and again click on the app launcher it does nothing. I can use the context switch (swipe from right edge), and it will work fine, but clicking on a launcher of xmir app that is already running will not bring it to the front, will just do nothing. … Any ideas?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49uxeXNyrKs
 unity8 with mir 0.28.1
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/KN21BP3w/file_1662.jpg btw, I am finishing a game on the UT device itself, I kid you not!
 ubuntu 17.04 unity8-session desktop
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/L0QqLSgJ/file_1664.jpg using Lazarus IDE on Meizu MX4
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/FkHBapYt/file_1666.jpg already playable but I am still working on the UI
 uuuu pascal! begin write('i know pascal?'); end;
 yes, but the most amazing part is that I write a game entirely using the phone itself
 @KrisJacewicz, nice! pascal FTW
 off course I mostly ssh into the phone and use x forwarding to start Lazarus IDE onto my desktop
 but essesntially entire production, coding and compiling, then deployment, all using the phone itself!
 this is my 2nd game, first one was snake
 another bonus: after I finish any app in Lazarus IDE, it can be directly compiled to desktop Linux, also to Windows and OSX, no changes in the project needed
 @KrisJacewicz, is it on the openstore?
 just open the very same source code on Lazarus in another OS and compile
 and on Ubuntu desktop I also have Windows version running via wine, so I can compile Linux and Windows native
 @Michele, no, on my own, Open Software Hub
 cannot go to OpenStore
 because it uses Xmir
 so cannot be packaged with any of these funky packagibng stanadards
 like click
 etc
 ah ok...
 I went ahead and I create own store
 that will install apps without sudo
 all into user's home directory
 including gtk apps without any need for libertine
 @popescu_sorin, nice the only thing im missing is proper multi monitor support ;)
 @KrisJacewicz, Are you using a microscope? =)
 there was a silo with multimonitor support and virtual desktop stuff
 @Flohack, off course this is just a proof of concept, and whenever I can I use ssh with x forwarding instead ;)
 not sure what happened to that code, maybe it's still on launchpad
 lthough imagine UT tablet - that is a different story!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/nZIjdKfB/file_1667
 just connect BT mouse/keyboard and off you go!
 however if I am away of any desktop/laptop, ie on a train or on  a flight, and I only have my phone, I still can do some work on it!
 @popescu_sorin, uhh that would be nice
 @popescu_sorin, The code will still be there.
 .oO(it seams there was more ready than we thought)
 @delijati, What do you mean?
 @popescu_sorin, @malditobastardo
 @delijati warkspaces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciJwp-u6ymc
 oO
 @popescu_sorin, I remwmber that video from you. Then looking for it in unity8 using yunit
 but never found ofc
 Published on Mar 23, 2017
 😢
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tb4Kfns7/file_1668
 The Unuty8 project was not cancelled because it wasn't delivering. It was! There was a lot of great work being done. It wouldn't be trivial (especially without the original devs) but the beauty of Open Source is that it could all be picked up and become a Ubuntu Flavour. … NB one of the big stumbling blocks that existed then (toolkit support for Mir) could be circumvented by using toolkit support for Wayland.
 yep and it wasn't that far off, i was actually using quite alot unity8 on desktop. at least terminal, irc and qupzilla web worked fine
 I tried on desktop but it was just too buggy for me. After Yunit got updated to qt 5.9.1 it went much better and stable. But it's with UBports that I finally started to see a light in the end. It was a great surprise for me. I am enjoying it using it a lot as my daily driver now
 Unity8 on phone is amazing. I hope someday to see the convergence dream working  finally
 @malditobastardo, isn't this up to us here?  Can't we do it?
 @wayneoutthere, Of course mate
 That's  the point. That's why I am so excited about this and support the project
 sweet.
 me too
 Ok, cool.
[18:59] <marthurlong> Anyone here?
 ... suppose so
 i'm not smart though but i'm here
[19:00] <marthurlong> eh, works for me. I was building ubports for the Zenfone 2. It all went fine but my only problem now is that it didn't seem to mount Android properly.
[19:01] <marthurlong> Clean install, it dropped to a recovery shell but I worked around that by using the datapart cmdline option.
 well, I recommend you take two tylenol and just forget about it
 Go ahead @wayneoutthere :)  Whats the answer :)
 LOL
 @marthurlong, dataparts are common problems among people your age.
 👏👍😂
 also, i recommend avoiding shellfish.  That will fix the shell part.  The oceans just aren't as clean as they were when I was a kid
 let me know if i can be of further assistance
 standing by
 Yes... what is the meaning of life?
 hmm.
 that's a doozuy
 I'd have to say.... Xenial
 I think it is somewhere in the UT kernel, no?
 The grass is always greener on the Xenial side
 I think I hear my mom calling. I have to go!
[19:06] <marthurlong> Yeah, looks like it tried to mount cache, boot and recovery to /root/android//cache and so one. With a double slash.
[19:07] <marthurlong> Not sure if that actually works.
 someone smart is bound to show up...
 The double slash should be fine. What exactly failed to mount?
 See? Smart arrived!
 \o/
 have anyone tried xenial on nexus 5x yet?
 if not, then i will 🤷‍♂️
[19:22] <marthurlong_> Oh, that's not where Android init's supposed to be so it's not there.
 What is the phone not doing that you expect it to do?
 @vanyasem, no
 @UniversalSuperBox, will do in an hour
[19:28] <marthurlong_> I've built ubports from the 5.1 branch and used rootstock-touch-install to well, install it.
[19:28] <marthurlong_> I had to use twrp instead of the recovery that it built since I think CM12.1 might be having issues with adb on the Zenfone 2
 Yeah, the recovery images built in-tree are pretty useless.
[19:29] <marthurlong_> the install script seems to be working, even tried doing it manually and it seems to be working with TWRP.
[19:30] <marthurlong_> And uh, at first it just drops to a recovery shell. And then I've set datapart to mmcblk0p19 cause that's where data is, according to fdisk -l on CM12.1.
 Awesome
[19:31] <marthurlong_> Still doesn't boot, let me check what output was.
[19:31] <marthurlong_> Target filesystem doesn't have requested /init
[19:32] <marthurlong_> that's right after /scripts/init-bottom
 Alright, you're in telnet now?
 Check if anything is in /root
[19:32] <marthurlong_> telnet over usb? I had no idea this thing was made to do that.
 Oh, yeah. If it fails to init, you'll get an RNDIS connection and you can telnet to 192.168.2.15
[19:34] <marthurlong_> Oh yeah, when I said CM12.1 was having adb problems with the phone
[19:34] <marthurlong_> it went something like
[19:34] <marthurlong_> whenever I turned on USB debugging on CM12.1, dmesg on my desktop says that it just disconnected and never reconnected.
[19:35] <marthurlong_> It might work fine if /sys/class/android_usb/android0/functions doesn't have adb in it.
 So can you get a telnet shell when it fails to boot or not?
[19:36] <marthurlong_> I can't.
[19:36] <marthurlong_> I do have a keyboard with a micro USB adapter though.
[19:36] <marthurlong_> and the framebuffer console works. Not sure if I should mention that.
 I don't think that would do anything
 Oh, that's rare
 Actually, just try removing /block from your datapart mount node
[19:37] <marthurlong_> Yeah, I probably should have mentioned that earlier. That's the only way I'm seeing what actually happens.
[19:37] <marthurlong_> Alright, gonna do it now.
[19:38] <marthurlong_> It was the kernel cmdline
 yep
[19:38] <marthurlong_> I used unmkbootimg and mkbootimg to set it.
 Hmm, that might be overridden
[19:38] <marthurlong_> I got the untainted boot.img. Gonna flash that on.
 Well, let's hack it
[19:38] <marthurlong_> You sure it was overridden? Because uh
[19:39] <marthurlong_> it just fell back to a busybox recovery shell without the cmdline option.
 Worth a try, then
[19:39] <marthurlong_> well, that's the untainted boot.img
[19:39] <marthurlong_> alright, flashing it now.
[19:40] <marthurlong_> also, what's up with the thing crashing if it doesn't detect if Android's running? Did they intentionally made it that way in case the thing fails to boot Android?
 It reboots if lightdm fails to start so many times
 And if Android doesn't start, there's no way lightdm will
[19:41] <marthurlong_> Alright, it's gonna go on the recovery shell. What should I do?
 check if there's anything in /root
[19:41] <marthurlong_> empty
 @marthurlong_, Does it mean that you install it through TWRP ?
 Okay, not mounting. How about `/tmpmount`
 @Ern_st, Only the development rootfs.
[19:42] <marthurlong_> you mean tmpmnt?
 yes
 I don't have a failed device in front of me. :P
[19:42] <marthurlong_> That was where /dev/mmcblk0p19, the data was supposed to go right?
[19:42] <marthurlong_> That's empty too.
 Well there's our problem
 Can you ls /dev/ and /dev/block?
[19:42] <marthurlong_> Which is why I set the cmdline option in the first place
[19:42] <marthurlong_> everything's in /dev
[19:42] <marthurlong_>  /dev/block's empty
 Okay, neat.
[19:43] <marthurlong_> part-by-etc also seems to be working
 I think that DATAPART in the cmdline is overridden unless it's specified by `fastboot boot`. No matter, though
 @UniversalSuperBox, Then the utouch recovery will be needed for production device ?
 @Ern_st, yes
 In your fstab in your device tree (should be rootdir/fstab.qcom), change the `src` attribute to `/dev/mmcblkwhatever`
[19:44] <marthurlong_> Is there any way to test if `fastboot boot` works in the first place? Because I never checked if it actually worked in the first place.
 For `/data`
 So stupid, the LG gpad 8.3 has a bootloader impossible to unlock.
 Fastboot boot depends on the manufacturer. The way to test it would just be to boot something
 But let's fix it so that it's more permanent
[19:45] <marthurlong_> Does qcom stands for qualcomm?
 yep
[19:45] <marthurlong_> This thing is actually running an Intel processor.
[19:45] <marthurlong_> and chipset and everything.
 Ah. There's an fstab in there somewhere that you can edit. :P
[19:46] <marthurlong_> Yeah, I think it was uh
[19:46] <marthurlong_> fstab.mofd_v1
[19:46] <marthurlong_> mofd is the Moorefield series stuff.
[19:46] <marthurlong_> The Atom Z3xxx I think.
 Aha
 We have a script that embeds the datapart according to the default fstab.
[19:49] <marthurlong_> let me guess? It looks for fstab.qcom? Either way, I'm just gonna grep -r for that in the init.
[19:49] <marthurlong_> ramfs.
 No, it should just go for the default fstab
 Replace the src of /data with your mmcblk device in /dev/
 Then when you build ubports-boot it'll say where it thinks /data is. It's in a line with a bunch of asterix, I think.
 If you just fhug instead of fstabbing then I think things would go way better for all of us
[19:54] <marthurlong_> before I do anything, it's the one one on $croot/device/asus/mofd-common/rootdir/etc/fstab.mofd_v1 right?
 @marthurlong_, Yeah, probably.
[20:02] <tgBot> shadow_of_1986 was added by: shadow_of_1986
 marthurlong_, is silence golden?
[20:03] <marthurlong_> tmpmnt's still empty.
[20:03] <marthurlong_> Just checked that like, 4 seconds ago lol
[20:03] <marthurlong_> yeah, I might have did that on the wrong file. How do I make sure?
 In the build output, can you find the line with `data appears to be on`
[20:04] <marthurlong_> let me check
 @shadow_of_1986, Hello @shadow_of_1986 I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[20:06] <marthurlong_> grep can't find data anywhere in there.
 Uhm
[20:06] <marthurlong_> what should I make? Because I just did everything.
 `ubports-boot`
 And the image will be called ubports-boot.img
[20:07] <marthurlong_> that didn't work.
 Do you have ubports-boot in your tree?
 How many times can I say ubports-boot before @wayneoutthere mocks me?
[20:07] <marthurlong_> Apparently not.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot, goes in `$croot/halium/ubports-boot`
 Please note that you will need to remove it before building `halium-boot` again.
[20:08] <marthurlong_> okay, I think something's really weird with my tree cause I never saw Halium anywhere.
 How did you initialize?
[20:09] <marthurlong_> the 5.1 tree. The exact command on the wiki.
[20:09] <marthurlong_> https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Setting-up-Your-Tree-for-CM12.1-Devices
 oh.
 note to self: murder wiki pages
[20:10] <marthurlong_> Yeah, they did feel a bit really outdated.
[20:10] <marthurlong_> or something.
 We've entirely switched to Halium for new device ports. Luckily, the build fixes that you've made so far will work for Halium! http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html
 Also, zenfone 2... I think someone might be working on that
[20:11] <marthurlong_> So, I have to download another tree.
 yeah...
 And I'm going to take those pages offline tonight
[20:12] <marthurlong_> Or at least say, hey, this thing's stupidly outdated and barely anything here applies anymore.
 Or that.
[20:13] <marthurlong_> Well, here's a silly thing about the ISPs in this country. Data's from a few months back, it probably changed.
[20:13] <marthurlong_> I'm lucky enough to live in a place that's got one of the better ISPs in this country.
[20:13] <marthurlong_> They're selling 100 Mbps for the same price as the other guys who's got the best coverage, but they're selling 10.
 @UniversalSuperBox audio, RIL and camera work on any halium xenial rootfs ?
 @Walid, I have no idea.
 The core devices would be the ones to check, I don't have one near me.
 cuz when i added ofonod used with vivid i got ril work but without audio not usefull
 There seem to be some adspd issues, at least on my phone. But that might just be my phone.
[20:20] <marthurlong_> I noticed one tiny problem here. http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html#remotes
[20:21] <marthurlong_> I found cm in the manifests.xml but it didn't say that its available by default in the table there.
 I didn't look for 5.1 -_-
[20:21] <marthurlong_> oh wait a minute
[20:21] <marthurlong_> yeah, I might have to check my stuff again
[20:21] <marthurlong_> okay, them isn't in my manifests.xml
[20:22] <marthurlong_> I added it manually named "muppets" like I did on the old tree.
 OK guys
 Ah, yes, 5.1 was a more direct fork from UBports.
 I only considered 7.1 while documenting, my fault.
 @Stereofont @Flohack  Tested the AppImage and the installation process went fine on Ubuntu 17.10
[20:23] <marthurlong_> alright, that explains everything.
 Everything worked like a charm
 @Anghirrim, Tremendous news. Any troublesome bits?
 Nothing, everything was pretty fast.
 Maybe I should just make separate pages for 5.1 and 7.1
 Within max 15mn my phone is up and running
 Remind me your phone?
 OnePlus One
 marthurlong_, when you get to the point where you install Halium, we'll need to blaze our own trail a bit.
[20:33] <marthurlong_> uh, alright.
[20:33] <marthurlong_> 8 GB of RAM and firefox ate it all.
[20:33] <marthurlong_> I got around 600 MiB left.
[20:40] <marthurlong> wat wat
[20:40] <marthurlong> wait wat
 ?
[20:41] <marthurlong> Nothing, nevermind.
 Cool
 @KrisJacewicz, No way! Have to be a headache coding on a mobile phone 😂
 @KrisJacewicz btw, that is visual programming? I mean, like Visual Basic or Gambas3?
[20:46] <marthurlong> Yeah, I think I'm done for the day. It's 4:42 a.m. here and I thought I'd be able to at least get the thing booting. hahahaha nope. I'll continue tomorrow.
 Sorry for the confusion!
[20:47] <marthurlong> lol no prob, thanks for helping.
[20:47] <marthurlong> A lot.
 I try. :)
 I just gave ubports-installer a spin and now is stuck here
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/fgGM8mp8/file_1670.bmp
 @SergioSRM, There was a guy who installed VisualBasic
 and is like that for about 1h
 @Anghirrim, By design :) Thanks for reporting back. Any feedback is much appreciated.
 @ebetonro, The appimage seems to work very well. I suggest switch to that
 ubports-installer_0.1.7-beta_amd64.deb
 this is what I used
 hmmm I think to give that a try next but I'm afraid to stop the process
 on the phone is still say that is downloading
 I invited you to the welcome room
 You won't brick the phone so don't worry. If it is downloading don't interrupt though
 But has sat there an hour?
 yeap
 this is not my first install
 is telegram going to break when we pass 1000?
 @ebetonro, Maybe very slow download speed?
 and I am here almost from the beginning of the supergroup :))
 this was feedback more
 or less
 I have my way with this n5
 @ebetonro, 👌
 @Stereofont, I was asking because VB and Gambas3 is the only language that I know and I was wondering if it's possible to make an app with Gambas3 😌
 @SergioSRM, Lazarus IDE, delphi/freepascal https://www.lazarus-ide.org/
 @Stereofont, same thought but ... why now
 Did you check the router lights?
 Tbh sounds like it is doing nothing
 I speack with you from the same machine so ...
 I think is because of the usb cable :))
 3m is way to long
 After an hour I think pull the plug, reboot and then start again with Appimage
 and slow
 3m data cable is crazy
 crazy long I know
 @popescu_sorin, 😍 I must take a look
 I will let it be untill I finnish some work and see if is doing something until then if not I will restart the process using appimage
 @SergioSRM, I sent a PM to a guy who can probably help you
 @Stereofont, Thank you for you help 😊👍
 @tylnesh, Here
 i can write
 Hmm shall we tell them
 never ! its shall be my ring ... joke .. i dont now?
 but fancy style
[21:29] <mhenz> Yo_y got hhacked
[21:29] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn fag: ON
 Not you again
[21:31] <mhenz> Yo_y got hhacked
[21:31] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn fag: ON
[21:33] <mhenz> Yo_y got hhacked
[21:33] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn fag: ON
 @mike, you mean the new buttons and such?
[21:35] <mhenz> Yo_y gott hhacked
[21:35] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti--sigyn fag: ON
[21:35] <mhenz> you're poor dickheads
[21:35] <mhenz> android is the bestest
 yea its better than android 8 nexus5x.. i have telegram on 2 phones open...one android 8 nexus 5x , the other one nexus 5 ubports
 Oki thanks ^^
 Is he writing this FROM A PHONE TO A SUPERGROUP?
 Nah cant be. Can it?
 WHOAAAAAAT
[21:37] <mhenz> Yo_y gott hhackked
[21:37] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn cunt: ON
 yes
[21:37] <mhenz> you're poor dickheads
[21:37] <mhenz> android is the bestest
[21:40] <mhenz> Yo_y gott hhackked
[21:40] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn cunt: ON
[21:40] <mhenz> you're poor dickheads
[21:40] <mhenz> android is the bestest
[21:41] <mhenz> Yo_y gott hhackked
[21:41] <mhenz> Sl0w mode anti-sigyn cunt: ON
[21:41] <mhenz> you're poor dickheads
[21:41] <mhenz> android is the bestest
 Hi
 Guess who?
 @SergioSRM, My bad. It was Visual Studio 😂
 And guess where from?
 (Sticker, 392x512) https://irc.ubports.com/EEZZKA1i/file_1671
 (Voice, 0s)https://irc.ubports.com/RT2czou7/file_1672
[21:54] <el> UniSuperBox: sigyn is never going to prevent all the spam
[21:55] <UniSuperBox> Yeah, not 100% ideal. Certainly better.
[21:57] <el> it never will be ideal. your friend is an expecially energetic troll. he will move on eventually
 hm.. qt 5.9 in ubuntu 18.04, @mariogrip has unity8 working on 5.9/16.04
 how hard would it be to make a unity8 session on 18.04
 and somone is porting unity-system-compositor to MirAl
 this means.. like.. you don't need to recompile stuff and such when using a new mir ?
 mirserver
[22:06] <tgBot> qduaty was added by: qduaty
 hi @qduaty
 @qduaty, Hello Sebastian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi, I m interested in improving some apps (I'm a developer)
 @qduaty, +1
 there is plenty to do from what I see
 I mean hooray
 There sure is
 So how do I start? They still use that complicated qtcreator setup?
 @wayneoutthere, They did not get it, not even with the audio ^^
 I am not a developer but  Florian is
 Erm
 Sebastian volunteering
 Yeah saw that. What app you are intersted in
 @qduaty https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html#
 @qduaty, The SDK is really broken these days ^^
 but we got some alternatives
 Tell me about these alternatives
 @Flohack, I got the audio but not on UT
 There is a programmers course made by whom actually?? =)
 its in the forum described
 forum.ubports.com can you look there plz
 @mimecar, Here
 @Ern_st
 And what if I have a patch, do you have some procedure to accept them?
 Thanks @Flohack
 @Stereofont, how did you make this link
 @UniversalSuperBox, Android…
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry meant just to type username
 @qduaty, core apps https://github.com/search?q=topic%3Acore-app+org%3Aubports+fork%3Atrue
 @Stereofont, My hopes fell off 😱
 @SergioSRM, Doesn't mean that nobody has some advice about it
 Tomorrow i'm getting my Nexus5. Is there a tutorial available to flash ubports?
 @Wildnislehrer, Seems like the appimage is the best option now
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 Thanks
 https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/80
 @Wildnislehrer, Please feedback how it goes. It is still in beta
 @Wildnislehrer, Glad you asked...and yes, we are working on it. 😄
 @Stereofont, Okay. Tomorrow i give feedback
 @Crash_Burn, I hope it works
 So do we 😂
 @Flohack, awesome!
 it's our little secret flo
 they will never know that Supergroups is WORKING
 Is Nexus 5 device full supported with all features like bluetooth, GPS and so?
 I think so...
 Me too
 I"m N4 and I"m behind that one I think. And mine is good
 Bluetooth doesn't work on my N4
 one day now and everything ok
 on N5
 Does the file manager intermediate support network connections?
 In the past he dit not.
 A functions tick box in a simple layout is still in the wish list
 Is there a way to make the keyboard smaller?
 UTtweaktool. Dangerous though
 Handle with care
 😢
 Ok
[23:05] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Wildnislehrer, Yes it is, only camera recording does not works
 Camera recording? What does it mean?
 Video
 No video recording? Only on Nexus5? On Nexus 4 video recording still works at the last time i had ubuntu touch omn Nexus 4.
 @Stereofont, Where?
 Camera and video work fine on Fairphone 2
 @juanx0, It is in the OpenStore
 @Stereofont, I bought a nexus 5, i can't now bought additional a FP2. My wife will slap me... 😂😂
 Jajajaja
 I know what you mean
 👍
 @Wildnislehrer, I don't tell my wife eeeeevvvverything 😂
 I have a N4, E5 and a M10 here. Tomorrow a N5. Its enough. 😅
 @Stereofont where inside UTtweaks
[23:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Crash_Burn, the problem are the children, they will
 I just ordered a librem phone...she will flip if she finds out!
 I never used UTtweaks. It is a freestyle system hacking tool. I don't know enough not to wreck something important
 @Crash_Burn, My wife know all things of me, without i'm speaking... 😂
 @Crash_Burn, You have at least a year to think up an excuse
 @Crash_Burn, For this, i was too scared 🙈😂
[23:18] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, No, it is not there this feature
 @Wildnislehrer, Yes...I'm waiting until she is in a realllly good mood before i drop that news.
 @Stereofont ok, I think it's not possible
 @Stereofont, Exactly!!! Thats my plan
 @Milan Korecky, Is it only for pre-defined tasks?
 @Crash_Burn, No chance after 30 years being together 😂
 @Crash_Burn, Librem = you thought it was free
[23:20] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I had a Bq, and now I have N5, the children noticed it immediately, and I had to convince them to not to tell her
 Hehehhe
 Video in the N5 will work at some time, no doubt
 @Milan Korecky, My kids are young, I try to bribe with ice cream. But they enjoy my pain and run to mom to tell as soon as they can.
 Yes too smart nowadays
 @Stereofont, Okay
[23:23] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> definitely I am in the right channel and group here
[23:23] <tgBot> DennisSwe was added by: DennisSwe
 The new camera for the FP2 doesn't work at all yet. Everything takes time
 Omg !!! A new member!!
 \o/
 @Crash_Burn, Haha yeey B-)
 @DennisSwe, Hello Dennis and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Stereofont, Thanks, will do! B-)
[23:31]  * PureTryOut[m] is dissapointed he didn't get such a warm welcome when he joined the IRC channel 😞
[23:31] <UniSuperBox> We don't see join/part messages in Telegram
[23:32] <UniSuperBox> Which is a good thing, since i turned them off for this client and... wow
[23:32] <UniSuperBox> See?
[23:32] <PureTryOut[m]> Sorry, I don't see. Are you talking about the spammer? I have him ignored
[23:33] <UniSuperBox> No, just regular join/parts
[23:34] <PureTryOut[m]> Aah. Then I still don't see, I guess not every one of them gets send through the Matrix bridge
 We don't see joins on irc
[23:37] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> And nobody here is spammer
[23:39] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> we are serious here, but we also have sometimes funn
[23:39] <PureTryOut[m]> there was quite a bad spammer on IRC a while ago
[23:39] <PureTryOut[m]> anyways, continue your guys awesome work, don't mind me! 🙇
 Yeah, we see it
[23:39] <PureTryOut[m]> 😉
 :)
[23:39] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> aha, that one, I understand now
 (Photo, 1680x1050) https://irc.ubports.com/i0JUeG9y/file_1674.jpg
 you can printscreen teh opened menus in unity8 <3