[02:11] <Bashing-om> daftykins: You still with a presence ?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !15.10
[06:46] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^ !
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> almost weekend!
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:06] <lordievader> Indeed 😄
[07:06] <jink> Helemaal niet, morgenochtend release, dus moet gewoon werken... -__-
[07:06] <jink> Anyway, what's up? :D
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> hey kid
[07:07] <jink> Heh.
[07:08] <jink> I'm someone's kid, obviously, but I'm oooooooooooold. :P
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> im also the sun of my father
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> what a coinsidince
[07:10] <lordievader> The sun!? Wow O.o
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:10] <jink> That, too!
[07:10] <jink> The sun in his life!
[07:35] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[07:59] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - how's life? :)
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> great on this side
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> chilling in my holiday :p
[08:19] <jink> :P
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis | EriC^^ try this?
[08:31] <EriC^^> thanks trying
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> gives you full overview of system
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: this can do alot also: https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=downloads
[08:34] <EriC^^> cool
[08:34] <lordievader> Hmm, interesting. Lets run it :)
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> pretty organized package :p
[08:37] <ducasse> that last one is also in the repos, in case you didn't know
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you know package name?
[08:39] <ducasse> phoronix-test-suite
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx
[08:39] <ducasse> ;)
[08:44] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: hopefully going to buy new phone today, my old one died :-/
[08:44] <lordievader> Interesting sugestions lynsis makes.
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cool mate, decided wich one yet?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: nice lil package isnt it :p
[08:47] <lordievader> Too bad the newest is not yet in the portage tree -.-
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> by the way, anyone knows howto change color of android 7 call background?
[08:47] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: looking at a cheap moto right now
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> it changed to brown background after update to 7
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> moto g5+ and moto e4 sounds like best deals on coolblue
[08:53] <ducasse> the one i'm looking at is just listed as 'motorola moto e (iron grey)'
[08:54] <ducasse> android 7.1, 8mp camera - trying to find out if it has microsd slot
[08:56] <ducasse> ok, good, it has one
[09:02] <EriC^^> dang, phoronix needs php5
[09:03] <EriC^^> !info php5-cli trusty
[09:04] <EriC^^> oh, there's a repo version of it
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> !info phoronix-test-suite
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> webversion is 7.4
[09:07] <EriC^^> hmm it's just hanging after selecting "run a test"
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> oO
[09:09] <EriC^^> im trying the "complex system test" now, it's installing stuff from the web, letting it run :D
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> should give you numbers for testing right
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJYJmYQ0AGw
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> true story, looks cool
[09:56] <EriC^^> i made some mexican food the other day
[09:57] <EriC^^> it turned out really well, got some "refried beans" from the supermarket and they had already made tortilla and burrito bread
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:51] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[14:12] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:06] <nicomachus> nacc TJ-: this is the script. literally could not be simpler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25880072/
[15:06] <nicomachus> just an exercise in scripting because I need more practtice. working on ways to expand and complicate it.
[15:07] <nicomachus> probably going to add a while loop for the update.
[15:13] <TJ-> nicomachus: you might want to conside "xdg-open <URL>" instead of hard-coding 'firefox' - assuming firefox will be the default web-browser
[15:13] <nicomachus> TJ-: what kind of difference does that make?
[15:14] <nicomachus> using 'firefox' will guarantee me a fresh window with those URLs. wouldn't xdg-open just add to the current session if there is one?
[15:16] <TJ-> it'll behave the same way; unless you use "firefox --new-instance" or "firefox --no-remote" just "firefox" will open in an existing firefox process
[15:17] <nicomachus> default for firefox is a new session, unless you specify --new-tab or something like that
[15:17] <nicomachus> errr... maybe not.
[15:18] <TJ-> I've never experienced that behaviour; it always re-uses an existing process unless those flags are use. That's archive firefox, firefox-dev and firefox-nightly
[15:18] <nacc> it doesn't seem smart to rely o 'default' behavior
[15:18] <nacc> if you can specify flags
[15:19] <nicomachus> I see.
[15:20] <nacc> defaults change and also probably can be controlled by the user's config
[15:29] <nicomachus> well, idk how I did it, but I did not do this while loop correctly.
[15:30] <nicomachus> while [ sudo apt -qq update ]; do echo "Good Morning! Checking for updates...."; done
[15:30] <nicomachus> should be it, right?
[15:31] <nacc> nicomachus: you should re-read how bash while loops work
[15:32] <nicomachus> ok.
[22:09] <EriC^^> evening all
[22:10] <oerheks> hi eric, going to watch "Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome" .. not firefox
[22:11] <EriC^^> hehe
[22:11] <EriC^^> hi oerheks
[22:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: \o
[22:11] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om o/
[22:12] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Slow Friday ... all over :)
[22:14] <EriC^^> yup
[22:18] <oerheks> ..and .. back
[22:18] <oerheks> terrible movie, bad camerawork, stupid conversations
[22:19] <Bashing-om> oerheks: and back here to the real world :)
[22:51] <ChileStuff> boo
[22:52] <ChileStuff> Anyone alive
[22:52] <nacc> ChileStuff: yes, although it's a bit late on a Friday
[22:52] <ChileStuff> Depends on yer time zone  :P
[22:53] <ChileStuff> jac76 go to -discuss
[22:54] <ChileStuff> oops
[22:55] <ChileStuff> Greetings old fart  :)
[22:56] <jac76> greetings to a fellow old stinking bag of wind.
[22:56] <ChileStuff> LOL ... that's cuz my parts are rotten
[22:57] <ChileStuff> I remember working on the old telex machines ... power supply caps the size of 2 paint cans stacked
[22:58] <jac76> I recently took my grand daughter to a playground and got carried away and fell on my face, I don't bounce up as quickly as I use to.  Some other child there, about 8, shouted to another to "look out for the old guy".  :-(
[22:58] <ChileStuff> back even before 1.44 floppys  :)
[22:59] <ChileStuff> LOL
[22:59] <jac76> The original "floppies" were 8 inches in diameter and were actually floppy.
[23:00] <ChileStuff> Well at least I didn't use punch cards ... seen em, but didn't use em
[23:00] <TJ-> made great brims for a fedora
[23:00] <ChileStuff> heh
[23:01] <jac76> I worked on card punch sorters.  and fixed a couple of teletypes in my day.
[23:01] <ChileStuff> I still have a stack of old ST-225s ... open em up and make clocks out of em
[23:02] <ChileStuff> Had to get out when tech advanced faster than I aged
[23:02] <jac76> though I'll have to say that the card sorter was the last of it's kind and not the big monsters that IBM made famous.
[23:04] <jac76> I left the hardware side of the house when the "mechanical" part of it disappeared and I began to feel like the maytag repairman.  I went to the software side of things then and supported an unix os based on BSD.
[23:05] <ChileStuff> So anyone here got any advice for a linux newbie? (I mean so new, I don't even know what Gnome is)
[23:05] <ChileStuff> I got out of hardware and started making hot sauce for a living  :P
[23:05] <nacc> ChileStuff: nice!
[23:05] <nacc> ChileStuff: anything i'd recognize?
[23:06] <ChileStuff> I was never any good at software
[23:06] <nacc> ChileStuff: what kind of advice are you looking for?
[23:06] <ChileStuff> chilestuff.com
[23:06] <ChileStuff> Any ... I have never ised anything but winblows
[23:06] <ChileStuff> But I'm ready to try
[23:07] <jac76> I fairly new to the Linux side of things myself but have been playing at it for a while.  What's your question?
[23:07] <ChileStuff> provided it's not command line .. my typing is not good  :P
[23:07] <TJ-> ChileStuff: the first thing to realise is that "Linux" is the kernel. But we also use it as a shorthand for GNU/Linux (the combination of kernel and userspace services and tools) and that it is a terminal (command-line)  based system. On top we have GUI's which usually combine a 'display manager' (DM) - display the log-in greeter - and a Desktop Environment (DE) - the GUI you work with. Gnome is one
[23:07] <TJ-> such DE
[23:08] <ChileStuff> Thank you
[23:08] <ChileStuff> My first new thing today  :)
[23:08] <TJ-> Another major DE is KDE (using the Qt toolkit) - Gnome uses the Gnome Toolkit - GTK
[23:08] <nacc> ChileStuff: nice! I'll take a look -- always on the lookout for new sauces :)
[23:08] <TJ-> But we have lots of other DEs, some look more like Apple Mac, others look more like Windows XP or earlier
[23:08] <ChileStuff> I was told that the latest distro of Ubuntu was very user friendly
[23:09] <TJ-> !desktop
[23:09] <jac76> I like the the clean display of xfce in xubuntu.
[23:09] <ChileStuff> Yeah, XP is what I'm used to ... windows 7 is bleh and 10 blows chunks
[23:09] <jac76> xfce is a gnome thing.
[23:09] <ChileStuff> ACK!
[23:10] <ChileStuff> TMI too fast  :)
[23:10] <Menzador> Correction: XFCE is a GTK+ thing
[23:10] <jac76> each version has it on little nitch
[23:11] <ChileStuff> I downloaded 17 and palyed with it some, and it looks usable, just need an idea of what programs are best and so on
[23:12] <ChileStuff> Will it run windows programs, or do I need a OS specific version?
[23:12] <jac76> Ah,  that depends on what your trying to do.  If you want to write letters, try LibreOffice suite.
[23:12] <ChileStuff> Like Quickbooks for one
[23:13] <ChileStuff> Or at least something I can import my QB data to
[23:13] <ChileStuff> And even more important, my games  :)
[23:13] <TJ-> ChileStuff: there's a Windows Is Not an Emulator (WINE) layer that can run many Windows programs, but it can be patchy. The alternative is to create a Virtual Machine and install Windows in it, with the programs that absolutely need Windows
[23:13] <ChileStuff> Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, etc
[23:13] <TJ-> !wine
[23:14] <jac76> the LibreOffice suite has a spreadsheet thing, but I've never used it.
[23:14] <ChileStuff> Awsome
[23:14] <ChileStuff> You guys are full of info
[23:14] <ChileStuff> Or something  :P
[23:15] <jac76> I don't remember things as well as I use to so I like taking short notes on what I do and keep track of all that in a program call "baskets"
[23:16] <jac76> "baskets" is roughly equivalent to MicroSoft  "onenote"
[23:16] <kostkon> ChileStuff, Icewind Dale is on steam and it has a linux version
[23:16] <ChileStuff> Well, I need to slag my HD and reload everything, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to make the switch
[23:18] <ChileStuff> AFK
[23:18] <jac76> ubuntu/linux has a nice tool called "rsync" that I use to keep a sort of running backup of my work disk.
[23:19] <jac76> so I put 2 disks into my system and "rsync" my user data to the second disk once a day.
[23:20] <jac76> if I accidently delete something I can go to the backup disk and retrieve it if the "rsync" hasn't occured yet.
[23:21] <jac76> but the "rsync" process tries to keep the two disks "matched" so if I don't catch the "deleation" before the "rsync" happens, the file is gone.
[23:21] <jac76> as I said it a "sort of" backup.
[23:22] <jac76> but if one disk fails I will have my information preserved on the other.
[23:27] <daftykins> hah yeah you are not gonna find a quickbooks import prog :P
[23:42] <ChileStuff> Yeah well I didn't really expect to  :)
[23:43] <ChileStuff> My bookeeper is gonna love me
[23:43] <daftykins> you know they moved the service online though, so you can get at it via browsers?
[23:44] <ChileStuff> Yeah never gonna happen
[23:44] <daftykins> my clients complained it was a joke in the early days, but by now it has probably settled down - does mean adopting a subscription model though
[23:44] <ChileStuff> I don't "cloud anything
[23:44] <daftykins> ok
[23:44] <daftykins> i present the options, is all
[23:45] <ChileStuff> I appreciate that, I just can't get my head around putting private info on a public server
[23:46]  * ChileStuff envisions a troll like creature saying "I'll hold your money. Trust me"
[23:46] <daftykins> ah so you've never used email, i take it?
[23:46] <daftykins> are you honestly still running XP, btw?
[23:46] <ChileStuff> I never transmit anything sensitive
[23:47] <ChileStuff> No, I have 7 on one and 10 on another
[23:47] <ChileStuff> Which is why I want to switch  :)
[23:47] <daftykins> yeah i saw the dim opinions you have of them, puzzling
[23:47] <ChileStuff> But I may install xp on Ubuntu for games
[23:48] <ChileStuff> I have a dim opinion of all things MS
[23:48] <daftykins> that's unwise
[23:48] <daftykins> not to mention nonsensical :)
[23:49] <daftykins> VMing a Windows box to keep QuickBooks going might be the best option though
[23:49]  * ChileStuff has fond memories of the big BSOD reveal
[23:49] <ChileStuff> Was that vista or 8
[23:49] <ChileStuff> ?
[23:50] <daftykins> 95 if you're talking about the original press event demo, not sure how historic events apply to computing choices of today, however
[23:50] <jac76> I remember MS coming out with Windows NT and all the problems they ran into trying to scale up their 16-bit OS to a 32-bit one and all the problems and mistakes they made, like the "ping of death" they created.
[23:50] <ChileStuff> It doesn't, but I loved the look on Gates' face
[23:51] <daftykins> ping of death was a dial-up modem buffer concept o0
[23:52] <jac76> no.... "ping of death" was MS failing to put a limit to the size of a "ping" packet.  Which had the effect of letting a "ping" overwrite important parts of th OS, thus crashing that OS.
[23:52] <ChileStuff> Well, life beacons
[23:53] <ChileStuff> Thanks for the advice, I will return
[23:53] <daftykins> i'd prefer not, but ok
[23:54] <jac76> You could send an over sized "ping" packet to anything, even a network attached printer, and crash it.
[23:55] <daftykins> whatever you say
[23:56] <jac76> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_of_death