[05:56] <superfly> things are really quiet in here these days
[06:56] <bushtech> yep, SA ubuntu users either are superusers who fix their own problems or ubuntu is really good these days
[07:36] <MaNI> A few alternative possibilities: they all switched to a distro that doesn't treat kde like an outcast because they didn't like unity and wanted KDE, they all just seek help in the international channels because if all you want is tech support it doesn't matter what country it is from, nobody in south africa knows how to use IRC anymore because they only know about web2.0 stuff like slack.
[09:06] <bushtech> yep, peeps these days seem to need whizz bang bells and whistles that suck ram and bandwidth
[09:10] <MaNI> well I'm not sure it is even that, it has been my experience that most south africans even the ones in tech field don't even really know about IRC or have heard about it but never tried it
[09:11] <MaNI> I blame it mostly on the fact that ZA was really late into the computer game (most my friends grew up with no pc in their home) and even later to the internet game
[09:13] <MaNI> so we simply skipped an entire generation or two of technological development, we are a country of people who for the most part only experienced web2.0 and not the initial web, with most peoples first introduction being via cellphones 
[09:14] <MaNI> a country were many people experienced playstation or sony gaming devices before they experienced computers etc.  
[09:15] <MaNI> a weird anomaly and to an extent we lack the same depth/breadth of "geek culture" that many other countries have
[09:22] <bushtech> agree
[09:23] <bushtech> byproduct of living gatkant
[09:24] <bushtech> always wondering how many ubuntu installations there are inSA
[09:25] <MaNI> hehe, apartheid sanctions also played a big role in the above I think
[09:26] <MaNI> how many ubuntu installs in the country - yeah would be interesting to know
[09:30] <bushtech> at one stage I heard schools, govt, would be switching to various linux flavours. Wondering if that ever happened. Prob. not enoough backhanders possible
[09:33] <MaNI> I wonder if we even have the skills to support that, when I was in school all the teachers including the comp sci one were practically computer illiterate and could barely manage booting windows
[09:33] <bushtech> lol
[09:34] <MaNI> support seems to be where these initiatives usually break down, there have been a few cities overseas where they moved to linux then went back to windows claiming the linux support was costing too much - though no doubt there are bribe factors also at play
[09:34] <bushtech> having said that. booting windows when it throws a hissy fit can be a challenge for even a computer literate
[10:15] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[10:23] <MaNI> avast
[11:02] <paddatrapper> bushtech: yeah, especially in schools, windows is the main/only player. High School IT teaches Delphi, CAT teaches MS Office. There is no provision (until you hit the varsity level) for anything else
[11:03] <bushtech> paddatrapper: sadness. kids growing up plug and play. lift the hood and they go blank
[11:04] <paddatrapper> bushtech: yup, there is no drive to find out how things work
[11:12] <bushtech> let's hope it doesn't bite them one day............. when they say yes boss to a robot
[11:14] <pavlushka> I dont have a real ip or a domain name but can I still test postfix server on my home network?
[15:04] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: if you just want it on the local network, run your own dns server (bind9 or dnsmasq)
[15:05] <pavlushka> cool, padda, ty, will try that way :)