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tgBot<samzn> Buying a new mouse for convergence :)01:56
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Also need to do that. Rappoo keyboard is crap!01:58
tgBotlazypower was added by: lazypower03:18
tgBot<lazypower> Got UBPorts (rev2) installed on my OPO today. Fantastic experience getting it there and it runs much faster than my ancient nexus 4 device i piloted legacy UTouch on. πŸ‘ Great work team03:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Thanks, and welcome to Telegram!03:22
tgBot<lazypower> i was here before, and thought i was going to make the swap to irc... there's so much missing context its almost not worth the bridge.03:23
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Hi Charles.. have we welcomed yyou yet? ;)03:23
tgBot<lazypower> sure have!03:23
tgBot<wayneoutthere> darn. i was going to welcome you again :(03:23
tgBot<lazypower> go for it, i wont mind03:23
tgBot<wayneoutthere> ok.  did you get all the tools?03:23
tgBot<lazypower> regarding community updates, audiocasts, etc?03:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Yeah, kind of.  We've updated it again.  Maybe take a quick tour here to make sure you are in the know:  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome)03:24
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You mean the Wayne shameless self-promotion? :P03:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> no, i have great shame03:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> no03:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> ok no shame03:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> don't worry. i shamelessly plug the Fab  Four as well03:25
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Does everyone know the Fab Four?03:25
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox @neothethird @Flohack @mariogrip = Fab Four (F4 for short)03:26
tgBot<Schyken> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/vdoKcSzQ/file_1755.mp403:26
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I didn't ask for this life03:26
tgBot<wayneoutthere> That's Dalton03:26
tgBot<lazypower> sick, i just made a pagerduty app03:27
tgBot<wayneoutthere> You got that life.  Neither did I.  That's why I do audiocasting now.03:27
tgBot<lazypower> ok, this is a LOT further along than I expected03:27
tgBot<wayneoutthere> pagerduty?  Do you mean like... a pager that you put on your waist and it beeps?03:27
tgBot<wayneoutthere> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dgyUk570/file_1756.mp403:27
tgBot<lazypower> kind of, i work in ops. Pagerduty is that nagging app this disturbs your life when your infra misbehaves and your monitoring suite catches it03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> I have one!03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> hmm.03:28
tgBot<lazypower> it ships off to pagerduty and it will text/call/alert you repeatedly until you acknowledge it, and continue to do so until the incident is resolved03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> sounds intersting03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> nice03:28
tgBot<lazypower> its a mandatory thing to have for a lot of jobs when you work in infra03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> asterisk?03:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> sip?03:28
tgBot<lazypower> basically, i think they integrate with twilio though03:28
tgBot<lazypower> but they may host their own trunks03:28
tgBot<lazypower> https://www.pagerduty.com/03:29
tgBot<wayneoutthere> hmm. neat.  @exar_kun made me an asterisk system once and it had hotel wake up feature03:29
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Wayne is dying for a SIP app, don't mind him03:29
tgBot<wayneoutthere> yes.  get on it.03:29
tgBot<lazypower> ah wants the linphone integration eh?03:29
tgBot<wayneoutthere> where/s mjy app?03:29
tgBot<lazypower> go dig int he dialer03:29
tgBot<wayneoutthere> i'm going to go dig into my pillow first03:30
tgBot<wayneoutthere> here if you need me! (later)03:30
tgBot<lazypower> πŸ‘‹03:33
tgBot<Vijay> My bold prediction: this group will reach 1k just before or soon after OTA-3 release. As I have observed with every release the count increase rapidly.04:00
tgBot<wayneoutthere> I like your boldness but I find it more on the conservative side. Hit me again. This time hard!04:42
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Whose gonna bet 1k in 7d?04:43
tgBot<Greg> Hey sorry to ask again is it OK to apt get packages? I read someone say it wasn't advised05:04
tgBot<Ern_st> Isn't adviced05:06
tgBot<Ern_st> you break the OTA, i think and easily create a mess. It's ok for developer phone05:07
tgBot<Greg> Would it be OK if I uninstall the packages before the OTA? I just want the exfat utils for my sd card05:08
tgBot<wayneoutthere> I've heard many say 'dont' but i don't know the why behind05:13
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Greg, it's ok if you are aware of the implications. Some are: … - your filesystem is read-only, so you will need to remount to rw … - your filesystem has limited space on UT device, so you risk running out of space, possibly even halfway of the installation … - after OS upgrade, your installed files will be gone05:46
tgBot<lazypower> We should put that in the FAQ or sticky a forum thread with that info ^05:47
tgBot<lazypower> I've seen that question quite a few times since i joined a couple days ago05:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> in other words, if these above remarks among some other not considered sound to you like too much to worry about, then you are not advised to use apt-get. Otherwise, it's a green light, after all you are on an unlocked phone and you're the man05:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> in yet another words: a grandmother is perhaps better off staying clear of apt-get, but her Linux savvy nephew is totally encouraged to play with it. After all, that's what it's there for ;)05:50
=== JanC_ is now known as JanC
tgBot<Stereofont> @lazypower, Hello Charkes and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)09:27
tgBot<Stereofont> Charles even!09:27
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> wow, I've been building Telegram for ARM from official github source for past 5 hours! I mean, lot of dependencies first, downloads, compiling, installing... … I will want to have a Telegram Desktop natiely for arm, to run it on Raspberry Pi and then also on the UT phone09:32
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> *https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md09:32
tgBot<bastos777> So Charles, with 3 welcome notes you might feel a little bit over welcomed. 😎09:32
tgBot<lazypower> You all certainly arr a friendly bunch09:33
tgBot<Stereofont> Better three than none πŸ˜‚09:33
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> that source uses slightly pathcet qt5.6.2, I wonder if that will run on the UT phone without any issues09:33
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> howto check qt version on the phone if qmake is missing?09:35
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmake': No such file or directory09:35
tgBot<DanChapman> `dpkg -l | grep qt` ?09:36
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> wow, right09:36
tgBot<DanChapman> qt5.4.1 i'd presume09:36
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I saw 5.5.109:37
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> do you think there is good backward compatibility from 5.6.2?09:37
tgBot<DanChapman> are you on xenial then?09:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> also, I read that on UT the qt library is slightly modified, does anyone know what is the modified difference about?09:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> ok, it's 5.4.1 in deed09:47
tgBot<jonny> Does any Bluetooth mouse or keyboard work with UT or do you have a suggestion for which one to buy?10:09
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @jonny, although I don't know, but I can tell you how to be 100% sure: buy a dongle, meaning, your keyboard/mouse set comes with an USB BT receiver10:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> you connect it to your phone via OTG USB and it will work 100% sure10:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> some kits have only 1 recever for both keyboard and mouse, ie. microsoft, or logitech10:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/MTaeLvvO/file_1758.jpg the bt receiver on the phone is still considered big for today's market. Currently you get receivers barely adding any size atop the usb metal port itself10:13
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 243x207) https://irc.ubports.com/fm8eKFZR/file_1760.jpg OTG to USB10:14
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 350x350) https://irc.ubports.com/i72vRSly/file_1762.jpg or a combo, otg to usb, also sd and microSD10:15
tgBot<DanChapman> @jonny, I've had success with various logitech bluetooth devices. My currently use a logitech k480 keyboard and a microsoft wedge mouse. But from what i've seen from others here most generic keyboards/mice work out of the box10:16
tgBot<jonny> Thanks! Actually I already do have a mouse and keyboard with one reciever. I'll buy an adapter then.10:21
tgBot<jonny> I just thought I would need devices without a reciever...10:21
tgBot<jonny> Is it micro-b or minib?10:22
tgBot<DanChapman> micro-b10:24
tgBot<jonny> Wow I found 10 adapters for 1 euro on ebay and it is as small as it could be10:24
tgBot<jonny> (Photo, 800x800) https://irc.ubports.com/kDVOxqqs/file_1764.jpg10:24
tgBot<Stereofont> Some of the USB ports are not well constructed. Loose etc. Probably best to minimise use?10:25
tgBot<Stereofont> Native Bluetooth means less mechanical wear10:27
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 450x450) https://irc.ubports.com/wuyIVSZ7/file_1766.jpg or you can find OTG docking cradle with USB ports, that way you can fix your phone on your desk, charge it and use with mouse/keyboard all at once10:32
tgBot<jonny> that sounds nice. how much does such a thing cost and does it need be made for my phone in particular?10:36
tgBot<samitormanen> Is there any guide how to get SSH working in Ubuntu touch?10:38
tgBot<samitormanen> I mean ssh server10:39
tgBot<Vijaypraj> Yes10:43
tgBot<Vijaypraj> apt install openssh10:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @samitormanen, I will soon add one to my blog, but eassentially you just need to install xauth10:48
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> actually only if you need x forwarding, otherwise it works, you just might need to enable it10:49
tgBot<samitormanen> Ok. Thanks.10:51
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @samitormanen, and to enable ssh: … $ android-gadget-service enable ssh10:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> remember that ssh on UT device is configured that it only accepts key based authentication, cannot use passwords10:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so you need to import your key from the client machine10:52
tgBot<samitormanen> Ok. It would be nice if this could be done from UT settings someday..10:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/iKFLAOQq/file_1767.7z10:57
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> usage: … $ pairoverssh username@192.168.0.20  β€¦ #replace username and IP with what you are working with10:58
tgBot<samitormanen> Cool, thanks!10:59
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @samitormanen, no worries, I will eventually release some GUI tools for things like that, in the pipeline, but Rome wasn't built in a day ;)10:59
tgBot<samitormanen> πŸ˜πŸ‘11:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> if you want to compile the source yourself, just: … $ sudo apt-get install fpc … $ fpc pairoverssh.pas11:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> if you do, remember that you need to remount fs to read-write: … $ sudo mount -o remount,rw / … $ sudo apt-get install fpc … $ sudo mount -o remount,ro / … then: … $ fpc pairoverssh.pas11:01
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> *to import from client machine, that client machine has to allow incoming ssh connections ;)11:05
tgBot<samitormanen> Ok. Thanks!11:07
tgBot<Greg> @KrisJacewicz, Awesome thanks man11:12
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @KrisJacewicz have do you Castle Game Engine?11:15
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://castle-engine.sourceforge.io/index.php11:15
tgBot<popescu_sorin> The free open-source 3D and 2D game engine using modern Object Pascal! …     A lot of 3D and 2D formats supported (X3D, VRML, Collada, OBJ, MD3, Spine...). …     Portable to a lot of platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, mobile: Android, iOS, web browser plugin...). …     Optimized rendering with a lot of graphic effects (shadows, mirrors, bump mapping, shader effects...). …     Build and edit your scene graph (X3D) at runtime. Create pro11:16
tgBotvisualization tools! …     Extensible system for game objects, with physics, creatures with AI and navmesh, and more.11:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I knwo about it but have not yet used it11:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yeah same11:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> currently I make very simple games so I just use standard classes, and I used SDL2 few times11:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i'm wandering if we can use it to make games for ubuntu "touch"11:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> because I seldomely write games, mostly other stuff11:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i use SDL2 but with c++11:17
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but it looks super interesting I want to try it some day11:17
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @popescu_sorin, you can :D11:17
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> it works on raspberry pi so will also work on UT11:17
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> btw, I am trying to build Telegram desktop for UT today11:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> still building :D11:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> lot of dependencies11:18
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip has a 64 core ARM server11:18
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :D11:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> talking about SDL2, I was thinking to either use it, or to build qt based lazarus, to completely replace deffault scopes app managed by the upstart with my own custom one, that will mimic the ubuntu desktop behavior, with semi-transparent dash11:34
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> somehow I was never sold on the scopes11:35
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> it was Canonical's thing, now they no longer do UT, so I hope they can be replaced with something better11:35
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I would love to see desktop wallpaper under my app icons too11:36
tgBot<Stereofont> @KrisJacewicz, +111:38
tgBot<Greg> @KrisJacewicz, I'm trying the last command to remount as read only and it's saying it's busy11:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> maybe some updates are installed in the background11:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> anyways, just leave it as rw, until you no longer need it, then restart the phone, it will automatically revert to ro11:46
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> or wait and try again later11:46
tgBot<Greg> Ah no I just realised I had external drives open11:46
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> alright11:46
tgBot<Greg> oh that's good to know thanks11:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @KrisJacewicz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3ZzwVBaeY11:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> SDL2 + free pascal11:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @popescu_sorin, yes, exactly!11:47
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i made this real time game editor a long time a go just to amuse myself11:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and geany supports fpc compiler :D11:47
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i think i've used some random sdl2 pascal binding that i found on teh internet11:47
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yeah11:48
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so coding is a breeze, no need for Lazarus IDE, as SDL is not visual programming11:48
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i suck at coding in any languages :)) so c++ or pascal or whatever language is the same for me11:48
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i don't care that much11:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> although Lazarus IDE is easier for debugging and code refactoring, but quite an overhead in size too11:49
tgBot<popescu_sorin> back then if i remember lazarus ide kinda sucked for me, had multi windows11:50
tgBot<popescu_sorin> now i think you can have all the windows in one window11:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> yes but multi window was what Delphi started as, then it became single window on Delphi and Lazarus catched up11:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> GIMP also went same road, from multiwindow to currently supporting single window mode11:51
tgBot<popescu_sorin> right11:51
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> for me, apart from just personal preference, Pascal has became the easiest, most time effective language for cross platform software development. Because installing it is a breeze, and it has no 3rd party dependencies liek C++ Redistributables, .NET, etc. Just download, install, write and compile. … And it did what Java claimed for years: write once, compile everywhere.11:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> lazarus IDE allows for visual RAD that remains unmached on many platforms11:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and totally free and open source11:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I don't like overhead of SDKs or cross-compiling11:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> or 3rd party runtime frameworks11:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> also ObjectPascal has supported assembly language since back in the TurboPascal era, and these days devs are discussing an idea to support C or C++ embedded code in the same way11:56
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> in bascal you just create ablock between two keywords "asm" and "end" and inside you write pure assembly, so maybe at some point you will have blocks liek cpp-end, or something :D11:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> oh TP!  i remember turbo pascal + asm era :))11:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> http://swag.delphidabbler.com/12:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> do you remember this^^?12:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @popescu_sorin, it was at the bleeding edge of tech back then, Pascal became objective language before C became C++, and the version only increased from 5.0 to 5.5, like it was not even a big deal. … But today Pacal suffers being ridiculed by people who think that it stopped evolving at TurboPascal for DOS.12:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @popescu_sorin, yes, back in the days I was wrting many CGI web apps with pascal12:01
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> you know, with modern (paid, unfortunately) RAD Studio (that is what Delphi is known as now), in addition to "compile" button you have a drop down list from which you choose OS: Windows, OSX, iOS, Android, and recently also Linux. Whether you deploy to Android or iOS or just Windows, it has just became a matter of what you set your dropdown list to. I don't know any native app development currently available that is easier than RAD studio, note e12:04
tgBotXamarin is this simple.12:04
tgBot<SergioSRM> @popescu_sorin, I wonder if we can use RPG Maker MV to make games for ubuntu touch. I'm doing a project with it.    The game can be exported to Android, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux and HTML5 to have it on the web. So, maybe we can capsulate the game?12:04
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @SergioSRM, if it uses HTML5 then you can install it as a standalone webapp on the phone12:06
tgBot<popescu_sorin> maybe? :D don't know someone has to try it first12:06
tgBot<popescu_sorin> would be nice to have somone that knows how to enable stuff for the rest of us noobs12:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> wow, after all day, I finished compiling and installing all the dependencies and now will build Telegram Desktop for ARM. Doing all that on raspberry Pi, then when I'm done and it works, I will move it to UT and try to get it running there as well!12:08
tgBot<Flohack> @KrisJacewicz, good luck ^^12:08
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, I'm a noob, I dont know how to do it XD. I need a big red botton "MAKE A WEBAPP" ready to work πŸ˜†12:08
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Flohack, at least I want to be able to use it on my pi board12:09
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @SergioSRM, same here or at least some good documentation on how to :D12:10
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, ohhh yeah, let us know your experience 😚12:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> btw, this tutorial discusses non-gui telegram on Raspberry pi, what is super interesting is how it can be scripted to send you notification to telegram. … http://www.instructables.com/id/Telegram-on-Raspberry-Pi/12:10
tgBot<DanChapman> @KrisJacewicz, make sure you use gcc <= 4.9 otherwise you will have abi incompatibility with vivid as i presume your not using a vivid based rpi image?12:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/tGfWplYs/file_1769.jpg leaving this to run and heading out to grab some food.  β€¦ If I had previously installed the CLI telegram from the link I just shared, I could write a script to send me screenshots periodically :D12:12
tgBot<Greg> I got my SD card working! I had to mount it manually to a folder I made in /media but it works thanks all.12:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Greg, now imagine how awesome it would be if UT supported LUKS out of the box! You could use encrypted volumes!12:20
tgBot<malditobastardo> Kris, this is a game changer for sure12:20
tgBot<malditobastardo> Telegram destop forUT would be a nice workaround to have it for sure12:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @DanChapman, as I said, building on Raspberry pi, it has 16.0412:21
tgBot<Greg> Would be great if it did12:22
tgBot<malditobastardo> @popescu_sorin I ended up installing 17.04 again, right now with U8 & mir 0.28 everything smooth but I experienced two crashes/freezes sadly. I hope this will get fixed soon someday12:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I will first complete it as is, and then if I get any abi incompatibility problem, I will retry with lower version of gcc12:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> there already was an error during building, but I found solution fast because someone else had it on debian x64 and left message on telegram forum: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md12:23
tgBot<LarreaMikel> Somehow related :12:23
tgBot<LarreaMikel> https://youtu.be/Ml1_lQ1z4lI12:23
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @malditobastardo, only 2? :D there are a lot of bugs especially Xmir related12:24
tgBot<popescu_sorin> not so sure who will gonna fix em12:24
tgBot<popescu_sorin> X-(12:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @LarreaMikel, yeah webGL, very very nice tech12:24
tgBot<Greg> Is there a sane way to do screenshots?12:24
tgBot<LarreaMikel> And mike has also some videos with bacon2D working on ut.12:24
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @malditobastardo, btw, what GPU are you using12:25
tgBot<malditobastardo> @popescu_sorin, Yeah I know. I just reinstalled ten minutes ago. Telegram running native is great12:25
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i remember having hard lockups with nvidia/nouveau12:25
tgBot<malditobastardo> I hope Yunit Devs12:26
tgBot<popescu_sorin> it's much better with intel12:26
tgBot<malditobastardo> They are our last hope12:26
tgBot<popescu_sorin> if you want to check if it's native just try kiling xmir12:26
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :))12:26
tgBot<popescu_sorin> pkill -9 Xmir12:26
tgBot<popescu_sorin> if telegram stops then it's not native12:26
tgBot<Stereofont> @SergioSRM, There is an app for that!  Webapp Creator12:57
tgBot<SergioSRM> @Stereofont, yes! But I was asking about to have it installed like "native" app. Because a game have a lot of data like sounds and graphics13:00
tgBot<SergioSRM> a data cellular killer13:00
tgBot<Stereofont> Yes. That app is not magic13:01
tgBot<Jujuyeh> @SergioSRM, Webapp Creator offers a template for games under "Simple Webapps"13:08
tgBot<Stereofont> πŸ‘13:09
tgBot<Jujuyeh> 😁13:09
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> Hi ubports.. I binded my media/0/music to ~/Music folder in UT 15.04 RC.. Its showing mp3 files in Music folder but not playing any file. Why?13:33
tgBot<Stereofont> @Kiran kumar Reddy, I think there is a bug in sandboxing13:34
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> Can u tell me how to install latest UT 17.04..which every1 is talking about13:37
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> Ubport installer has no option of selecting 17.0413:37
tgBot<Stereofont> 16.0413:44
tgBot<Stereofont> It is very experimental and needs a different approach for each phone model. Read about Sudoku project13:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x711) https://irc.ubports.com/060nc0EE/file_1771.jpg while I was having dinner Telegram compilation failed. So far I'm past 47% of overall final "make" and have documented 3 erros during compilation along with fixes...14:08
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> the terminal window is shell over ssh of my raspberry pi14:08
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Kiran kumar Reddy, there is no UT 17.04. First wait until April next year for the Ubuntu 16.04,then wait some more for UT based off of it ;)14:09
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> *for the Ubuntu 17.0414:12
tgBot<Flohack> @KrisJacewicz, It will be difficult, 17.04 already got things removed we need14:13
tgBot<rubencarneiro> why stucking on that 17.04 key14:13
tgBot<rubencarneiro> 15.04 for me was a mistake, to make it stable we should only focus on releases based on lts14:14
tgBot<rubencarneiro> like 16.0414:14
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, we inherited 15.04 from Canonical. They were trying to get to 16.04 but never finished.14:14
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Flohack, I think as long as 16.04 is ongoing LTS that will really not be a problem. But which things that are needed are gone from 17.04?14:15
tgBot<DanChapman> 17.10 they removed alot of UT specific packages from the archive14:15
tgBot<rubencarneiro> @UniversalSuperBox, that was canonocal mistake, spending resources on non lts builds14:16
tgBot<delijati> a ppa for the ubports aka ubuntu touch parts are needed i think yunit.io did a lot of that already14:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I wonder if anyone ever thought about that as well, that Canonical by pushing Ubuntu Phone out into the wild off a non-LTS distribution was saying between lines, that it is not 100% comitted, and they are only exploring a potential with Ubuntu Touch14:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> off course there might be some very valid reason for 15.04 to be used back then instead of 16.04, I just am not aware of it14:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> They had already gone from RTM (which was off-release I think) 14.10 to 15.04. They wanted to keep going but got stuck elsewhere.14:17
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I see, so the work was actually in process much earlier than I knew it was14:18
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Touch has been around since... 2012?14:18
tgBot<Flohack> @KrisJacewicz, I cant see this image on the phone. @KrisJacewicz which format is this14:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, wow! this I as completely unaware of14:18
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> IIRC OTA 1 was like 13.04 or 13.1014:19
tgBot<DanChapman> I think the initial images were based off 13.04 IIRC14:19
tgBot<rubencarneiro> always non-lts based14:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I took screenshot on Ubuntu desktop, cpied to clipboard and then Ctrl+V into Telegram. The original was for sure PNG, not sure if it remained PNG after pasting from the clipboard though14:19
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Ubuntu....Touch ?14:19
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @KrisJacewicz, They originally planned to move from 15.04 to 15.10, but we stuck with ABI compatibility … e.g. http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phone-development-will-skip-the-ubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-release-491825.shtml14:19
tgBot<Flohack> @KrisJacewicz, Pasting should be rasterized only14:19
tgBot<Flohack> strange14:20
tgBot<sverzegnassi> Then they finally decided to move to 16.04 once snap became a thing, but they stopped their efforts as we know14:20
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but PNG is already rastered14:20
tgBot<Flohack> I mean the clipboard should contain a raw bitmap, not a PNG or JPG14:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, The work starting from the 13.* series is why we have such a mature platform as it is, where things like "Touch buttons in terminal menus" was thought of.14:20
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Flohack, alright, so that was the part I was wondering, did it keep PNG or just raw bitmap14:21
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @sverzegnassi, do you have all of the Ubuntu Design docs somewhere? All the mockups and so?14:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I suddenlty gained new dose of appreciation for UT knwoing this!14:21
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> OK.thanks for clarification..every1. Hope some day 17.04 will be available as stable.. Soon.14:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I really imagine things could have been different (ie. not leading to abandoning UT by Canonical) if they thought of Ubuntu Phone initially as a companion phone, companion to Ubuntu desktop. With some very good integration between desktop and the phone, so that software can be started seamlessly via ssh onto the desktop from a desktop apps-socpe-like interface14:23
tgBot<rubencarneiro> @Kiran kumar Reddy, i hope not14:23
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> a small UI with all phones found in the same LAN14:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> then you click on the phone icon and you see apps14:24
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, We can "could have, should have, would have" all day, but that doesn't get us anywhere. To the future!14:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and can start them on your desktop via ssh14:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and can sync bidirectionally between your desktop and phone14:24
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @UniversalSuperBox, I have some spare document, but not everything. I'm sure that @DanChapman might have further docs (e.g. all the Dekko UX specs)14:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I am working toward that, jsut slowly14:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but I'm gaining friction :D14:24
tgBot<DanChapman> @sverzegnassi, yeah i think i still have a few collecting cob webs on gdocs14:25
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I have had that "companion phone mode" on my mind since the first news about UT I saw before I even got my phone14:25
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Sounds like you need someone to..... Motivate Your Code!14:32
tgBot<DanChapman> (Video, 2s)https://irc.ubports.com/0n5fRPwG/file_1772.mp414:37
tgBot<DanChapman> (Video, 2s)https://irc.ubports.com/GJTpQbSG/file_1773.mp414:37
tgBot<DanChapman> These were some of the early ideas for the bottom menu in dekko. Inspired by nik90's radial menu14:38
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @DanChapman, Same here. Might it be worth to upload them on the UBports' NextCloud repo, so we have everything in a single place?14:38
tgBot<DanChapman> Sure!14:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> Telegram building at 54%, 4th error found and fixed14:41
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, Keep going!14:45
tgBotWesselch was added by: Wesselch14:49
tgBot<Jujuyeh> @DanChapman, sorry but that's sexy AF14:51
tgBot<delijati> @KrisJacewicz, can you send me the patch for the fixes and the link to the wiki post on how to build14:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Jujuyeh, +114:52
tgBot<Wesselch> Hello, my name is Christian. I had a BQ E5 till it was crashed. Now I got a new, brand new E5, sadly with Android and I want to flash it to UBPorts. I there any way to flash directly. I tried it by SPFlash and OTA 15, but it didn't work. Any idea?14:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @delijati, absolutely, but now or you want to wait, when I finish I will document everything in one place. … By wiki link I guess you meant the github info page: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md14:53
tgBot<delijati> found the link14:53
tgBot<Jujuyeh> @DanChapman, This little details make Suru have a more modern esthetic14:54
tgBot<DanChapman> @Jujuyeh, totally agreed. It just never made it into the final design specs for dekko back then.14:54
tgBot<DanChapman> the plan was to also make it configurable so it suited both left & right handers14:55
tgBot<Jujuyeh> @DanChapman, cool14:56
tgBot<Jujuyeh> *stares uncomfortably to be able to include it in Webapp Creator*14:57
tgBot<Jujuyeh> @Jujuyeh, *steals and it renames it "ogra 2"*14:57
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @DanChapman, It would have been really nice if people kept innovating on what the bottom edge could do, only the page pull up, and the circle are being used at the moment, but some creative people could really introduce some new perspectives.14:58
tgBot<delijati> @KrisJacewicz whoohoo that dependencies list looks massiv ... you have even to compile qt by yourself oO14:58
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @UniversalSuperBox Which is the group name on Ubports' NextCloud that I could use for sharing a folder with all of you?14:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Is anything not supposed to be public information?14:59
tgBot<DanChapman> @PhoenixLandPirate, I've probably still got my prototype of the first one kicking about on my other laptop14:59
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @UniversalSuperBox, Do you mean between the docs? They were freely available on public mailing lists or Ubuntu websites15:00
tgBot<sverzegnassi> (many of them, at least)15:01
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If "Everyone" isn't an option, a public link could do15:01
tgBot<SergioSRM> @Wesselch, Could someone help him and give him the welcome webpage? 😊15:01
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Yes! Waking uo15:01
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Up15:02
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Wesselch, Hello @Wesselch!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)15:04
tgBot<Wesselch> @wayneoutthere, Ok, thanx. I will try that way. Thanx again.15:05
tgBot<wayneoutthere> absolutely.  and you can join the welcome room too if you want15:05
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @delijati, YES, and raspberry pi is not as fast as x64 i5 laptop, so I took me almost entire day to prep all the dependencies!!15:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x473) https://irc.ubports.com/oHW4UDKG/file_1775.jpg currently at 58% of the final build, so far have encountered 4 errors that stopped the building, and fixed them15:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x473) https://irc.ubports.com/RKWaBP0P/file_1777.jpg LOL, make that 5!15:07
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Wesselch, The only option for the E5 from Android is to flash with sp-flash. I'll see if I can find another experience with it.15:08
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> currenltybut it's just like the previous error should be easy to fix15:08
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, Are you building for 15.04 or 16.04?15:09
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, 16.04 - I am building on Ubuntu Mate 16.0415:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> Linux supervizor-p3 4.4.30-v7+ #919 SMP Tue Nov 1 16:57:28 GMT 2016 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux15:10
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Alright, that'll be fun.15:10
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Are you using Qt 5.6 or 5.9?15:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but Dalton, I thought that once it is all completely compiled, moving the binary Telegram app to UT (15.04) should not matter any more?15:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I am using qt5.6.215:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> that is version that the building is using15:11
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> We've been able to move QtMir apps from one version to another. I actually installed and ran Dekko on the G5 Plus the other day.15:12
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> From the openstore15:12
tgBot<wayneoutthere> (Photo, 2560x1351) https://irc.ubports.com/I70Uppm0/file_1779.jpg15:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> (Photo, 1927x2546) https://irc.ubports.com/36suI85r/file_1781.jpg15:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> My daughter made a prototype phone (8 years old) and I didn't ask her.  Note the apps on the app screen15:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> (she knows google is bad but her mom has it) :(15:14
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Samsung. That one's gonna need some work. :P15:14
tgBot<wayneoutthere> yes, haha.  linux for galaxy.. ?15:14
tgBot<DanChapman> @UniversalSuperBox, oh.. nice! and that's qt 5.9?15:14
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I had the 5.6 version15:15
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Didn't add the 5.9 repo and update yet15:15
tgBot<ajyotirmay> @wayneoutthere, nice :D15:15
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Wesselch, Sorry, I'm not able to find anyone else that's done this. You have a factory image from BQ's website, right?15:16
tgBot<Wesselch> @UniversalSuperBox, Hello, I got the SP Flash and OTA 15 from BQ website. SP Flash is running without any EM. But after clicking on Download and conecting the device nothing happen.15:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You might consider trying a different USB cable and port.15:20
tgBot<Wesselch> I checked several cables and each port, no chance15:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Windows or Linux?15:21
tgBot<Wesselch> ubuntu 16.0415:22
tgBot<Wesselch> 64 bit15:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Hmm, could you try the download from the official website? https://spflashtool.com/15:28
tgBot<JBBgameich> For newer bq devices you can get the system image from devices.bq.com/api/getHardReset/$serialnum15:30
tgBot<JBBgameich> But I'm not sure if that works with the mediatek ones15:30
tgBot<Wesselch> @UniversalSuperBox, I did it too, same resuld :-(15:32
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Honestly, I've never used SP Flash Tool before. maybe someone else has more expertise?15:32
tgBot<Wesselch> I checked SPFLASHTOOL.com, there is version V5.1520.00.10015:35
tgBot<Wesselch> From BQ support side I got V5.1612.00.10015:36
tgBot<reliable1> (Photo, 1123x794) https://irc.ubports.com/xsXWtGId/file_1783.jpg15:36
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If you type `dmesg -w` and then plug in your phone, does anything new appear?15:36
tgBot<reliable1> @reliable1, It's my iPhone 415:37
tgBot<reliable1> With IOS 11.115:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That's nice. This isn't really an iPhone chatroom, though.15:38
tgBot<reliable1> Ok15:38
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @UniversalSuperBox, @Wesselch this was for you15:39
tgBot<Wesselch> @UniversalSuperBox, new high-speed USB device number 24 using in ehci-pci15:42
tgBot<Wesselch> idVendor =2a47 Product 9e0615:43
tgBot<jacobmdekker> @Wesselch, You can find a tutorial for the SP-flashtool in German here https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Touch/flash_tool/15:54
tgBot<Dominik> @PhoenixLandPirate, I just got an idea for the bottom edge. Do you guys know the menu bar from Unity?16:00
tgBot<Dominik> (Photo, 640x360) https://irc.ubports.com/INNV7Ds1/file_1785.jpg16:00
tgBot<Dominik> This would be a nice way to improve the usability of X apps16:01
tgBot<Wesselch> @jacobmdekker, I allready found it, and I followed it with the result I told about16:01
tgBot<Dominik> Instead of putting the menu entries in the menu bar, a bottom edge gesture brings up a list16:01
tgBot<Dominik> @UniversalSuperBox Do you know anyone in this supergroup that has experience with this part of unity?16:02
tgBot<Dominik> @wayneoutthere Or you maybe?16:02
tgBot<Dominik> πŸ˜‚ I just saw the "annoying" in this screenshot. This was unintended.16:05
tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, Hello Christian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)16:06
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tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, What happened when you tried SPflashtool with the Canonical image?16:11
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> We've gone down a little bit since then. :P16:12
tgBot<Stereofont> @JBBgameich, It is designed for Mediatek. Works with the phone switched off completely, which is not intuitive16:13
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Ohhhhh... @Wesselch did you have the phone switched off so SPFT would put it into Download mode?16:14
tgBot<Stereofont> https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/issues/10416:15
tgBot<JBBgameich> @Stereofont, I wasn't talking about SP flashtool there, but about the REST API I posted above16:16
tgBot<Stereofont> Ah. Sorry. Trying to catch up16:17
tgBot<Wesselch> @Stereofont, Hello and thanx to be at my side. I checked the welcome page but can't join the UB_Welcome_Room. Bat that is a different issue.16:17
tgBot<Wesselch> I tried it with differnet SP Flash tools and with different images, I guess the problem is, that the flash process is noch starting.16:18
tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, Invited. We will fix that16:18
tgBot<Wesselch> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, I did. As discripted at any guide I found.16:19
tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, Then probably USB cables and ports,  phone fully charged etc16:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Says he tried several USB cables and ports above, it does appear in dmesg when he plugs it in16:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x473) https://irc.ubports.com/Cmffh0rV/file_1787.jpg after all this time only reached 60% and 6 errors so far...16:20
tgBot<Wesselch> @Stereofont, Yes, devise i fully charged.16:20
tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, Which Android were you running?16:20
tgBot<Wesselch> I don't know, I never started the Android completly16:21
tgBot<Wesselch> I don't need Android :-)16:21
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @KrisJacewicz, An error every 10% πŸ˜‚16:21
tgBot<Stereofont> Haha. True. Bootloaders can be a pain though16:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @TronFortyTwo, this is hectic, for an app that has under 80MB compiled it takes over 1.5G disk space for all the prerequisites and hours upon hours of building on raspberry pi16:23
tgBot<Wesselch> sure16:23
tgBot<Frank Fricke> @Wesselch, Some months ago I had similar problems. I was succesful with the SP tool version above but before I could flash my BQ M 10 (with android) I had to enable  β€œOEM Unlocking” and  β€œUSB Debugging” in android. After  I did this I could flash with SP-flashtool wihout problems16:23
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> wow, somehow my disk space got low from 16G+ before I started to 11G now!!!16:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> just to build Telegram Desktop (!!!)16:24
tgBot<Stereofont> @Wesselch, Did you authorise USB debugging and unlock OEM? I can't remember if it matters with SPflashtool …16:24
tgBot<Stereofont> @Frank Fricke, Hehe same idea Frank16:25
tgBot<Wesselch> @Frank Fricke, How to do these both things?16:25
tgBot<Stereofont> Developer options16:25
tgBot<Wesselch> @Stereofont, Where and how?16:25
tgBot<Stereofont> Hit build number in about this phone 6 times16:26
tgBot<Stereofont> It opens a new menu16:26
tgBot<Stereofont> Called developer options16:26
tgBot<Frank Fricke> @Wesselch, start android ...Open your phone’s app drawer, tap the Settings icon, and select β€œAbout Phone”. Scroll all the way down and tap the β€œBuild Number” item seven times. You should get a message saying you are now a developer. Head back to the main Settings page, and you should see a new option near the bottom called β€œDeveloper Options”. Open that, and enable β€œOEM Unlocking”16:27
tgBot<Wesselch> @Frank Fricke, I wil try it, just a moment16:30
tgBot<Wesselch> @Frank Fricke, I will move to the Welcome Room16:31
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/ZrR0t2mi/file_1789.jpg16:32
tgBot<popescu_sorin> you like?16:32
tgBot<popescu_sorin> such minimal16:32
tgBot<popescu_sorin> such clean16:32
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @popescu_sorin, +116:33
tgBot<popescu_sorin> micro text editor16:33
tgBot<Frank Fricke> @Wesselch btw this is a good video instruction for beginners see 7:30 min … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaEA_W3Ej6I16:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x473) https://irc.ubports.com/2o3T12Cm/file_1791.jpg reached 70% mark, without new errors so far16:42
tgBot<Stereofont> @Frank Fricke, +1 very clear German 😎16:48
tgBotMattia was added by: Mattia16:53
tgBot<Mattia> Hi everyone!16:53
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Hello there!16:53
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Mattia, Hello @Mattia!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)16:54
tgBot<Frank Fricke> @Stereofont, 😁 yes ...btw maybe I missed something about the "Welcome Room". Is this another telegram group for newbies?16:58
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Frank Fricke, Hello Frank !  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)16:59
tgBot<Milan Korecky> Here you are16:59
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Stereofont / Lionelb is very busy now in IB welcome room, Frank17:00
tgBot<Frank Fricke> ok, thx for info Milan ...btw  I am not a newcomer in this group 😁17:02
tgBot<Milan Korecky> I know, but ... πŸ˜€17:02
tgBot<Mattia> @Milan Korecky, I have read it, now what i have to do?17:08
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, Is taking ages17:18
tgBot<Stereofont> @Frank Fricke, It is new yes. It takes that chat out of the main room, so it helps in both ways17:19
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Mattia, Hi again, it is up to you, we are just trying to give you our very warm welcome and provide you the most important info and links you should not miss, and of course that we are here to help you with anything related to Ubuntu Touch. Thats all. An of course, you can get involved and help us build this fantastic OS.17:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @SergioSRM, it's ridiculous, but at least one thing can be done to speed it up somewhat, to use fastest possible SD card on the raspberry pi. Mine is not the 4K speed rated, otherwise it would be somewhat faster for sure.17:19
tgBot<Stereofont> @Mattia, The link to the welcome room seems to have some problems. Would you like an invite?17:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I am documenting all errors as I go, so in the end I will have a blog post with all the steps, will publish it somewhere on the telegram's github so someone could fix the sources in such a way, that it would compile on ARM as-is17:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> the setup is aslo super nice, I am working with 3 devices: … 1. Raspberry Pi with Ubuntu Mate 16.04 … 2. Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 on my i5 laptop … 3. Ubuntu Touch phone, Meizu MX4 15.04 … Now, all are in my home LAN and so I'm in a Ikea Poang chair with the laptop on my laps, and I have ssh shells opened from both the raspberry pi and from UT phone, both with x forwarding, so from the laptop I can work on all 3 devices, including using GUI t17:26
tgBothave to struggle with vi for editting source files (anyways I never use vi, always mcedit in terminal), I can just use geany both on raspberry pi an on hte phone. … This way of working is amazing, and raspberry pi is an IMMENSE help for developping for UT phone, because by having Ubuntu Mate it is easier to build stuff on it, to just scp it over to the phone later as a compiled ARM binary.17:26
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> windows doesn't have this kind of magic even now (unless paid 3rd party) and on Linux this has been all built-in mechanism since over a decade !17:29
tgBot<Stereofont> @KrisJacewicz, Can this be morphed into an educational project for schools, with pi as the focus?17:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @KrisJacewicz, exagerrated, apparently there are some free x servers for Windows that play nice with PuTTY17:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Stereofont, absolutely17:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> with pi you can even write android apps17:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> if you use something like SDL2 then you don't even need android sdk at all17:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> a neat thing is that if you use sdl2 then you can even have windows on android, not full screen "activities" but actual floating windows!17:32
tgBot<Stereofont> @KrisJacewicz, This a way of using public resources to assist UBports and to spread respect for free systems17:34
tgBot<Stereofont> Education = low outlay = pi17:35
tgBotHimanshu Mishra was added by: Himanshu Mishra17:35
tgBot<Mattia> @Milan Korecky, I would try ubports but i haven't got a supported phone...😒17:35
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I have a dream that there is a software that goes onto your Ubiuntu desktop, and onto UT device, and also onto raspberry pi, that seamlessly integrates all of these devices into an ecosystem17:36
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Mattia, Oh, what a shame but with coming 16.04 an Halium this may change for you17:37
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> also interesting thing would be to try to port UT to raspberry pi!17:37
tgBot<Stereofont> @Himanshu Mishra, Hello Himanshu and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)17:37
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> just think about that for a second: raspberry pi port of UT, it coudl open up an ocean of new possibilities!17:38
tgBot<Stereofont> @KrisJacewicz, Then schools can develop apps !!!!17:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Stereofont, not only schools, literally everyone. You could also make UT a new player in the IOT, possibly make Canonical regret their decission to abandon it17:41
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> the UT on Pi could still be atop Android kernel, no prpblem, because Android is known to work on pi17:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Is there a Mesa driver for the Pi?17:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> also convergence owuld become easier to test, because when you use UT on Pi with a hdmi monitor you would naturally work on converged unity17:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I am sure there is17:42
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, very good point17:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Then there's no need to do the Android thing.17:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10502717:43
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> As long as Mir selected the right driver, Unity 8 should run.17:43
tgBot<Stereofont> E5 HD not supported by the Appimage?17:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> https://github.com/anholt/mesa/wiki/VC417:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, also whoever cannot get hold of supported phone, access to pi is easier and also cheaper17:44
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and honestly you can just switch sd card on your pi to turn it from ut to ubuntu mate or raspbian or android17:44
tgBot<Stereofont> @KrisJacewicz, Africa17:44
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I think it'd be a huge step forward with the entire thing17:44
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> pi has so many devs, at least some of them could join UT and support it17:45
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @UniversalSuperBox, Before I postured this, I thought that the Pi would be a waste of time. Now that I know it, though... Might be possible to just install some packages and bang your head on the desk for a couple hours17:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Stereofont, you have no idea how incredibly hard it is to get  Nexus4 in Taiwan!17:46
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, I would love this to happen and I would totally work on that platform17:47
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Got a spare SD card?17:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, :D17:47
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Or maybe I just made an excuse to ask Marius for a Pi. Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―17:48
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> i asked yesterday (but it never got answered) who is ow maintaining UT's terminal app17:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> it needs support for -e switch like on gnome-terminal17:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so from your app you can call something like exec() to start it and feed command line into it17:49
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> https://github.com/ubports/terminal-app/issues/2 … Closed. See here17:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> also it should be possible on UT in mir to launch bash scripts directly inside telminal app17:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, sad, because I personally believe that terminal app is absolutely the most fundamental and crucial tool for Linux phone :(17:50
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Nono, it's closed. There's a maintainer.17:51
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> i see!17:51
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> We'd always love more help, so feel free to fork it and throw a PR if you're so inclined! Otherwise, you can request features in the issue tracker.17:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> https://github.com/ubports/terminal-app/issues/1717:55
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> interesting I am looking at terminal app source code and I thought I would find some forkpty calls, but there are no. How is that app able to emulate interactive shell without this kind of API calls?17:59
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, How is it going on? 71%?17:59
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, Magic, I assume.17:59
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> actually on 59 :P … when you encounter error, it stops the compilation. Then you apply fix and rerun "make" and that restarts at where it stopped last time, but the progress gets recalculated. So actually I am much firther now18:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> This one is big: … [ 59%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/Telegram.dir/obj/gen/Telegram/qrc/qrc_telegram.o … been hanging on this one for nearly 20 minutes now! there have not been any other so far that was compiling this long!18:01
tgBot<SergioSRM> @KrisJacewicz, You have been working on that the whole day. I hope that will be working18:02
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I hope so tom it;s 2 am here already18:03
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> just got new error, 9nth18:03
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1205x473) https://irc.ubports.com/AA73s87s/file_1793.jpg actually crash not error:18:04
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> restarted and will see18:04
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Can the Pi do native ARMv7 compilation too?18:04
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> AFAIK pi is ARMv718:04
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Was the Pi3 not 64-bit?18:05
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=9996318:05
tgBot<JBBgameich> @UniversalSuperBox, The pi is 64 bit but it's kernel is only 32bit18:05
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @JBBgameich, Sad.18:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> minus the whole 'RAM' thing.18:06
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> Can any1 give me kubuntuphone arm hf repository18:06
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @JBBgameich, but aren't there few kernel options??18:06
tgBot<JBBgameich> The RPI foundation wated to use the same image for all the RPI versions18:06
tgBot<JBBgameich> @KrisJacewicz, It's nearly mainline supported now18:06
tgBot<JBBgameich> mainline supports 64bit on it. There's a experimental debian image based on mainline Linux which I haven't tested yet18:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/w2hhDcOe/file_1795.jpg look at cc1plus, I wonder if the previous crash was not because memory ran out...18:08
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Kiran kumar Reddy, caf or not?18:08
tgBot<DanChapman> @KrisJacewicz, You'll find openpty calls in kpty.cpp18:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @DanChapman, thank you!18:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I want to free up some memory on my pi to build telegram, cuz cc1plus already grew to 72% of memory, so I am thinking to kill the graphical session, it would not impact the processes happening in my ssh session in any way right?18:13
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You can. In the future, for more resilient things in ssh, consider using `screen`18:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> what is the advantage? other than than having typescript file :P18:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/RjZ8skmX/file_1795.jpg stuck here, running out of memory...18:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> one humongous object is building there...18:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> `screen` is independent of your SSH login. If your connection is broken, the processes inside of your screen session will continue running and you can reconnect later18:20
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, +118:20
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @KrisJacewicz, I recall some disccusion between early terminal-app maintainers, about allowing this through url-dispatcher. … Answer was a 'no', because apps might use it for escaping from confinement.18:20
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> learning new things all the time!18:20
tgBot<sverzegnassi> I guess we can do it now, as long as it's dummy-proof and we inform users of what's going on18:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @sverzegnassi, WOW - that is EXACLTY what is needed. Plus not all will be hapening in the confined scenario. Me for example I downloaded terminal app and manually extracted the content from click archive and installed the app as a binary file that runs without click at all18:21
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so I have unconfined terminal app on my phone18:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> geez, UT should be open, not closed18:22
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @sverzegnassi, ❀️18:22
tgBot<Himanshu Mishra> Hi! Just joined so wanted to ask what kind of questions can I ask here?18:22
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @Himanshu Mishra, Hello! So happy to have you here.18:25
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Hello Himanshu and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)18:26
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I restarter my pi without graphical interface, it runs with minimal resource usage now, and I compile directly on pi not via ssh to save the session resources as well.  β€¦ If it hangs again it will be very very sad. What to do in such a case? would big swap file help?18:27
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> any ideas?18:28
tgBot<delijati> yes swap18:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @delijati, I hope so, I have no other ideas past that18:29
tgBot<delijati> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/70/how-to-set-up-swap-space β€”> ". I used a swap file on an external drive to compile a large library over the course of a few days"18:30
tgBot<delijati> @KrisJacewicz you could use a lxc arm container as i described here https://github.com/LarreaMikel/uMatriks#build-for-arm18:32
tgBot<delijati> or the clickable thing18:33
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @KrisJacewicz, Well, I wouldn't like the idea that some idiot can release some 'fake' game on the store, that wipes all my documents in /home by bypassing AppArmor with terminal-app. I guess that's why UT has been designed initially for a perfect isolation, and then opened it a bit. … However sure thing is, if I activate "developer mode" on the phone, I should gain some degree of liberty. … If we want to allow this, terminal-app should (IMHO)18:33
tgBotLet me know which app wants to run the command … - Which is the exact command … - Explain me the risks … - Eventually ask me to authenticate (according to terminal-app settings)18:33
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @Himanshu Mishra, Any and all quesions related to Ubuntu Touch!  Whats on your mind?18:35
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> I don't know. I just want to try on my Ubuntu touch. 😁@dalton18:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @sverzegnassi, Stefano, there is another way to look at it. If someone wanted to be malicious to you, they'd do that anywyas,  by not using click app, but a fake game as a native binary, that you install with, say, apt-get from .deb package, or as a standalone binary. … I am in favor of "you choose", otherwise we will be more like Apple, which is the worst attitude toward users. … Let the constraint only apply to click apps, because for18:40
tgBotnon-confined processes which UT users will be working a lot with anywyas, it makes no security difference anywyas.  β€¦ Maybe you can design a mechanism within click to disallow calling terminal app, or disallwoing calling it with -e switch. And outside of the confinement, where it serves no security purpose anymore, just let it be for all creative scenarios. the -e switch would be useful not only for malitious purposes, but also for plenty of legit ones.18:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @delijati, my goal here is not to use containers. I don't want that overhead, and I want to specifically explore alternative approach. Adding SWAP to my pi is much more productive approach, given that I will benefit from additional SWAP not only for the sake of this build, but even afterwards.18:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> for me container would be a last resonr, of sort18:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but it would also a failure in my POC18:43
tgBot<Kiran kumar Reddy> Can u provide that repository list. @UniversalSuperBox18:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @delijati, that is exactly what I am following now18:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I'm going for swapfile, so that after I'm all done i can turn it off to save sd card i/o18:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/XCOlJ6Dz/file_1797.jpg with new 4G of swap I'm going to continue building18:57
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 760x744) https://irc.ubports.com/inoiq7Ss/file_1799.jpg swap is being eaten :D19:04
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Kiran kumar Reddy, What?19:05
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/4hRMeqzd/file_1801.jpg YES! moved past that big file, swap worked, at peak I saw 1G used from swap file, good I made it 4G size!19:10
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> the big one was qrc_telegram.o, now it moved to the next one, so I hope it will continue smooth now19:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> although now it seems like big files are in queue, because swap keeps high usage at close to 1G in addition to RAM19:13
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1233x505) https://irc.ubports.com/vWH1GcsN/file_1803.jpg again 1G consumed of the added swap, so it was absolutely crucial to make swap, I am documenting all this process so will share it as blog post at the end19:16
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @KrisJacewicz, why emoji so big.... :/19:18
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, Can you put a short tutorial on how to do this on your blog?19:22
tgBot<Dominik> On how to free the terminal app.19:23
tgBot<Dominik> @UniversalSuperBox, +119:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, when I hv a bit of time, but very easy sownload the click file, it is esentially a zip archive, so in midnight commander (mc) on terminal you just enter it, and copy to the other pane in order to extract the content. Then you will see files and you can move them to some folder and run via launcher that you make youself19:24
tgBot<Dominik> Isn't it important in which folders? /usr/share /usr/bin etc... what if the app relies on ressources. Are they fetched with relative paths, so one can just put the entire app in one folder?19:25
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, it just so happens that telegram app is super easy in that aspect, very straightforward, it uses qml files in location relative to itself19:28
tgBot<Dominik> telegram?19:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> that I don't know19:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I am not familiar with telegram click19:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I am only now struggling with native desktop app19:29
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, ok you meant terminal19:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> compiling telegram desktop from official sources on arm19:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> if i can succeed with that one, will then try to deploy to UT as well19:30
tgBot<Dominik> Well thats nice with relative paths. Makes space management easier19:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, yes, typo!19:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, YES, exactly what Linux is weak on. Actually not OS feature, more like bad practice that has became tradition19:30
tgBot<Mattia> @KrisJacewicz, What OS are you using???19:31
tgBot<Mattia> It's like ubuntu19:31
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Mattia, I am using Ubuntu 16.0419:32
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but in the terminal is shell from Ubuntu Mate, ARM, from raspberry pi19:32
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, Are you in Japan? πŸ˜€19:33
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, Taiwan19:33
tgBot<Dominik> Ah cool19:34
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> despite 4G of swap I again crashed building due to memory allocation error19:34
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I am now trying to restart make after each crash hoping that I can move forward one object file at a time19:35
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> this is amazign how memory hungry telegram compilation is! If it was written in pascal and compiled with FPC compiler, this would hv been a blast19:35
tgBot<Mattia> @KrisJacewicz, It's very beautiful! Good theme!19:36
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Are you doing multiple jobs? Possibly reducing that could make it easier on your Pi.19:36
tgBot<Matteo> Kris once finished with Telegram and ported to UT, are u able to do so also for Whatsapp, same way?... I read it has been successfully compiled for Raspberry PI as well as Telegram app19:36
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Mattia, ARC dark, from noobslab: http://www.noobslab.com/2017/01/arc-theme-light-dark-versions-and-arc.html19:37
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, 2 ssh sessions, one running make another running "free -lh" in a watchdog19:37
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> nothing else19:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, Right, try calling `make -j1` so that it doesn't do any multi-threaded things19:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Matteo, perhaps, we will see. for now I have 2 goals, 1st of which is to run telegram on the pi itself, which I believe in achieving. Then the 2nd goal is to run it on UT device, and I don't know if the qt5.6.2 used by this telegram build will ply well withUT's 5.4.119:39
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, thank you!! I will try that if I crash again!19:39
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Should be able to run it on 16.04 with no problems19:39
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (That's assuming a lot of things, don't believe it)19:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> i am not familiar with make switches but I just noticed that on the official wiki qt was built with -j4 switch, I didn't know what it was now I do thanks to you, will maybe help me to continue19:41
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, what is main concern on 15.04 though? qt version or something else?19:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that's 'jobs', or the number of things to build in parallel.19:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @UniversalSuperBox, +119:43
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @KrisJacewicz, Well, certainly give it a try.19:43
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/TY06RzYI/file_1805.jpg I used make -j4, and I already skipped past the emoji object which crashed me 4 times in a row when building without the job limit19:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> thank you Dalton, for pointing me at it!19:49
tgBot<malditobastardo> @KrisJacewicz, I am learning a lot thanks to you man. Thank you so much19:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I decided to document the entire progress chronologically with all the problems I faced and fixing one by one, so it can serve as a good case study for others19:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @malditobastardo, best thing to hear, awesome!19:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @KrisJacewicz, I even include some failed attempts to fix errors, just to share the methotology and thinking patterns19:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> less of a step-by-step tutorial, and more of a journal/log with screenshots and external links19:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> meanwhile new swap usage record, 1.5G in addition to nearly 1G from RAM19:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I did not expect telegram to be that big on memory19:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> unless you have min 8g ram, if you want to build it in a container, it can also be a challenge19:55
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tgBot<Himanshu Mishra> @Crash_Burn, Actually I was trying to start porting ubt to my device and had downloaded most of the source tree also, but saw today that it is outdated and I should follow halium instructions. So I was thinking if it is worthwhile to stay on the ubports track or go with halium. … By the way I am so much excited to see that something like halium has come up. Awesome initiative.😁20:21
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It is definitely not worthwhile to stay on the UBports track.20:21
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> :)20:21
tgBot<Himanshu Mishra> Yeah though so πŸ˜…20:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> So... sorry for your internet connection that I didn't get that in sooner. :/20:22
tgBot<Himanshu Mishra> I was just reluctant because of slow internet20:22
tgBot<Himanshu Mishra> Anyway thanks  β€¦ I've already started the repo dowloadπŸ‘20:24
tgBotMile_Guitars was added by: Mile_Guitars20:31
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 350x200) https://irc.ubports.com/T8NlQZBW/file_1807.jpg20:33
tgBot<popescu_sorin> ludicrous speed20:34
tgBot<SergioSRM> O20:34
tgBot<SergioSRM> M20:34
tgBot<SergioSRM> G20:34
tgBot<SergioSRM> 2 ms?20:34
tgBot<SergioSRM> you live in the servers room20:35
tgBot<popescu_sorin> it depends on how far are the test servers20:35
tgBot<popescu_sorin> that server is porbably in bucharest on digi20:35
tgBot<Stereofont> @Mile_Guitars, Hello Fatih and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)20:35
tgBot<DanChapman> @popescu_sorin, dang! makes my 120mbps look rather rubbish 😳20:35
tgBot<popescu_sorin> basically a big LAN20:35
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 120 is fast enough for most people :P20:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> althoug digi recommends 300Mb/s for casual users LOL20:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> probably trying to sell more of the more expensive paks20:37
tgBot<Stereofont> 'Sorry, there is no official ubports channel to this device' - message from Appimage re. E5 HD20:37
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 1Gb/s is 39 ROM ~ 8.48 Euro20:38
tgBot<sverzegnassi> @popescu_sorin, Faster than 71% of IT... 11.38 Mbps πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ™ˆ20:38
tgBot<sverzegnassi> (hope that fiber connection arrive soon πŸ˜†)20:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> fiber is awesome :D20:39
tgBotslackwire was added by: slackwire20:44
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Hello @slackwire and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)20:46
tgBot<Jaume81> How can I download more telegram stickers?20:47
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wjwco8PM/file_180820:49
tgBot<popescu_sorin> right click on banana20:49
tgBot<popescu_sorin> add to fav20:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> how do you add your own tha is not in the chat ?20:50
tgBot<popescu_sorin> click on the smily face20:51
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and then on cogwheel20:51
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/0PTt3Y8i/file_1810.jpg20:52
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 816x561) https://irc.ubports.com/bw2M56ps/file_1812.jpg no cogwheel20:52
tgBot<popescu_sorin> uh20:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> what version do you have20:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> ah, on the "stickers" tab there is20:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i have 1.1.2320:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> v1.1.2320:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yep on the stickers20:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> same20:54
tgBot<popescu_sorin> same20:54
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Same20:54
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :))20:54
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Popescu how are you?20:55
tgBot<popescu_sorin> fine, thanks20:55
tgBot<popescu_sorin> you?20:55
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> I'm pretty good thanks :)20:56
tgBot<ebetonro> one of this days i'm going to kill @popescu_sorin21:04
tgBot<popescu_sorin> why? you are on digi 221:04
tgBot<ebetonro> I just spent 3 good hours to play balz :D21:05
tgBot<ebetonro> great game man21:05
tgBot<popescu_sorin> oh :D thanks21:05
tgBot<ebetonro> you need to give him some love21:05
tgBot<ebetonro> improving perfomance and some bugs21:05
tgBot<ebetonro> but great game overall21:05
tgBot<ebetonro> who can give me the link to telegram beta app?21:06
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases21:06
tgBot<ebetonro> tnks21:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> download com.ubuntu.telegram_2.5.0.0_armhf.click21:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i don't remember how to install21:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> pkcon something21:07
tgBot<ebetonro> I know21:07
tgBot<ebetonro> install click using ut tweak something tool ... :))21:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> or that21:08
tgBot<malditobastardo> Just open with open store21:08
tgBot<ebetonro> @malditobastardo or so21:08
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Sticker, 512x315) https://irc.ubports.com/shG2WabW/file_181321:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @KrisJacewicz, just tested creating stickers for fun21:12
tgBot<ebetonro> Damn is not connectig21:14
tgBot<ebetonro> let see if restarting does any good21:14
tgBot<Dominik> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qvSLQZHX/file_181421:15
tgBot<Dominik> Ecryptfs is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!21:15
tgBot<Dominik> (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/QrbmTgj4/file_1815.jpg21:15
tgBot<Dominik> Ubuntu touch does have filesystem encryption out of the box!21:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yay?21:16
tgBot<Dominik> Yay!21:17
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Yeah we just don't have a ui for it21:17
tgBot<ebetonro> And it's working21:18
tgBot<Dominik> There were multiple people asking whether ubuntu touch would support device encryption21:18
tgBot<malditobastardo> great!!21:18
tgBot<malditobastardo> Yeah21:19
tgBot<Dominik> The answer has always been "no", which in fact is not correct21:19
tgBot<Dominik> You can do it21:19
tgBot<malditobastardo> it was that easy?21:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The anwer wasn't "no", it was "There's no GUI"21:19
tgBot<ebetonro> Next step calls and camera and I can go to daily driving N521:20
tgBot<Dominik> @malditobastardo, sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils21:20
tgBot<Jaume81> Can Ubuntu Touch play .m3u files?21:21
tgBot<ebetonro> as links?21:21
tgBot<Dominik> I don't know about devices other than the BQ 4.5. This kernel is compiled with "CONFIG_ECRYPT_FS=y". This is important.21:21
tgBot<ebetonro> or as playlists?21:21
tgBot<ebetonro> as radio link I just added one in uRadio and it worked21:22
tgBot<Dominik> @UniversalSuperBox, Oh, okay. I might have recalled that incorrectly.21:22
tgBot<Flohack> @ebetonro, Whats the problem with that, calls & camera work on N521:24
tgBot<ebetonro> nope21:24
tgBot<ebetonro> audio on incomming calls is to low21:25
tgBot<ebetonro> to record you need to flip the camera to front and after that to back21:25
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, cryptsetup...21:25
tgBot<ebetonro> and recorded videos are only playebel in the html5video app from open store and not with the media player from the device21:26
tgBot<Flohack> @ebetonro, videos... okay. But audio volume was ok for me the last 2 weeks ;)21:26
tgBot<malditobastardo> my audio works fine when calling on my N5..21:27
tgBot<malditobastardo> everything works great, this is working in progress21:27
tgBot<ebetonro> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/0e0YvS24/file_1817.jpg21:27
tgBot<ebetonro> just tested and nope is not ok21:27
tgBot<Jaume81> As playlist21:28
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Dominik, Full disc encryption got a no, home encryption got we already have it but don't have a GUI.21:28
tgBot<ebetonro> @Jaume81, :( sorry but I did not test that yet21:29
tgBot<Jaume81> πŸ‘. I use the app not webapp and it's very good but I don't know if I answer the message or write in chat.21:32
tgBot<Jaume81> Or it don't show.21:32
tgBot<Jaume81> I mean when select a message to answer21:35
tgBot<Dominik> @PhoenixLandPirate, LUKS is working for me too πŸ€”21:45
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, ...is working as well21:45
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> LUKS support would make sense because it is the go-to encryption standard on desktop21:46
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Dominik, How do you get into the phone? Dalton said something like you'd need to code a way to get a keyboard before getting that to work.21:46
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and very nice to create encrypted external drives and even image files for mounting21:46
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> atually reminds me of TrueCrypt in a way21:46
tgBot<Dominik> @PhoenixLandPirate, Well yes, it was said that it would probably not work. I just opened the terminal app and followed the setup guide21:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @PhoenixLandPirate, I suggest to first add the cryptsetup tool to the image, so you could use it from command line21:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> hen we can build some GUI wrapper21:47
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> and only eventually we can figure out how to support home encryption21:47
tgBot<Dominik> So i was able to mount ecryptfs with filename encryption as well as use cryptsetup for mounting a 500mb ext4 formatted encrypted file.21:48
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but before home encryption with LUKS it should allow for automatic detection of luks encrypted external volume, like on Ubuntu desktop: when you attach LUKS encrypted pendrive or external harddrive, it will ask you for password and decrypt for you21:48
tgBot<Dominik> Yes, a GUI needs to wrap the installation process and mounting21:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so that would be nice to have in UT and also be able to use it from command line for making mountable file images21:49
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I also would love for the scopes to be able to be minimized in the staged mode (it can be minimized in windowed mode already) so that we could see desktop. Then upon external drive detection, icon could appear on the desktop21:50
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, With the user choosing how big the file should be and choosing the mount directory21:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> or else, there should be a scope for that21:50
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> or something in the notification bar21:51
tgBot<Dominik> The BQ does not have hardware AES, so i did some quick speed tests:21:51
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, first let's make this work manually from command line, then make GUI wrapper, I can help make it21:51
tgBot<Dominik> pure write: 10mb/s, ecryptfs: 7.5mb/s, LUKS: 6.3mb/s21:51
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> encryptfs faster than LUKS, nice21:52
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, Cool!21:52
tgBot<Dominik> There should also be a way in the app to detect whether the kernel has the needed module.21:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> can we add any icons to the actual desktop currently? I know that in staged mode you currently never get to see desktop, but at least in the windowed mode you do, and would be nice to be ale to have icons. Now there is no ~/Desktop at all, would it work if manually created?21:53
tgBot<Dominik> Actually, it should be possible to write a script that retrospectively encrypts most of (or the entire?) home directory21:53
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> cuz on my quick test it didn't21:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, before we can support home encryption we can first make it possible (and easy) for user to encrypt specific folders21:56
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> unless off course adding full LUKS support can be done right away21:57
tgBot<Dominik> @KrisJacewicz, Definitively. I will mount ~/Documents, Download, Pictures etc as ecryptfs and see how it performs over time. Maybe it crashes UT, has memory leaks or has other dire effects.21:58
tgBot<Dominik> Also it would be easier to do this at installation time, when there are no accumulated user data that needs to be encrypted all at once.21:58
tgBot<Dominik> Or bake it into an image21:59
tgBot<C_Chat> Hello ! Some weeks ago I installed Android on my Aquaris BQ E5 Ubuntu Edition. Now I want to switch back to UbPorts. Do I have to use the SP Flash Tool from the BQ page or can I use MDT / ubuntu-device-flash as described on UbPorts page ? Can someone help please ?22:01
tgBot<Flohack> @C_Chat, I think it is even worse, you need SP flash tool to put old Canonical image there, from there you can go to UBports. Because on those device our recovery cannot be used, its closed source & locked. You need BQ recovery22:06
tgBot<C_Chat> Ha ! That's what I was supposing. 😞 β€” Ok I will do that,22:09
tgBot<C_Chat> thanks a lot Florian !22:09
tgBot<Stereofont> @C_Chat, What android version are you using?22:10
tgBot<Stereofont> Very good timing. We are trying to solve an E5HD problem22:11
tgBot<C_Chat> 5.0 - "Kernel 3.10.54"   -     oh, really ?22:12
tgBot<C_Chat> 😊22:12
tgBot<Stereofont> We are struggling with Kitkat22:12
tgBot<Stereofont> Interesting22:12
tgBot<Stereofont> Can we invite you to welcome room to take it offline?22:13
tgBot<C_Chat> If you tell me what to do, you're welcome. For my part I have done some backups.22:15
tgBot<Jaume81> what playlist extension use the music app? Because it can't play .m3u and .m3u822:18
tgBot<Flohack> @Jaume81, You sure it supports playlists? tried this also, never worked ^^22:19
tgBot<Jaume81> πŸ‘. I'm asking because I created but can't export. But the app play it if you created on Ubuntu Touch. Because if you have another device with Ubuntu Touch can sync or transfer.22:21
tgBot<Jaume81> And thank you for the supergroups in app. Sometimes shows the unread messages but it's usefull.22:23
tgBot<Jaume81> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/NDmoCNW7/file_1819.jpg22:27
tgBot<Jaume81> Read a file type but can't open in app.22:27
tgBot<ahayzen> @Jaume81, It stores them in localstorage (aka a sqlite database). There was work to move things over to m3u's with the playlist support that was pushed into the upstream qtmultimedia but that was never completed (but was looking promising performance wise 😊 ).22:35
tgBot<ahayzen> Also as it stored them in it's own sqlite db, there is no support for import/export of playlists. (you have to author them in the app). With m3u i was hoping to add content-hub support for import/export as well.22:38
xorpadI almost got gpu support for bullhead22:38
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @popescu_sorin, wow.  cool.  i never knew this.  HAHA22:38
tgBot<wayneoutthere> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0lP7N6nQ/file_180822:38
xorpadI got wifi and vibration working already22:39
xorpadbut since i added some network feature selections in the kernel config that are required by halium, the network drivers aren't compiling anymore22:40
xorpadbasically if you compile the kernel as it comes from halium repo, it compiles fine, but when you try to boot it, it errors because of broken code in the build tree that has probably never been compiled in the configuration I have for arm64/bullhead22:42
xorpadso by enabling the things halium tells you to with in the lineage bullhead defconfig, it doesn't work22:42
xorpadbut I'm almost past all those bugs22:43
xorpadI think a lot of the source files have never been compiled for arm64 in this configuration and that's why it needs so much work to get working22:44
xorpadwith the lineageos bullhead defconfig it boots fine, but you can't have proper hardware support, you can just compile and boot the system with rootfs22:45
xorpadI'm waiting now for AOSP 7.1.7-r33 to sync so I can pull out some drm related files I need that aren't in cm-14.1 or halium-7.122:45
xorpadI'm trying to upload the entire build tree minus .repo and the output to gitlab, hithub closes the connection detecting some files too large to sync, and doesn't sync the rest of the project so I switched to gitlab, and am currently pushing the entire tree22:49
xorpadit's at writing objects: 90%22:49
xorpadbut then it will take 5-10 minutes for gitlab to put it onto the repo after uploading22:50
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Will O is back!!22:51
tgBot<Crash_Burn> \o/22:51
xorpadI never left, I just shut up cause people were being rude22:52
xorpadlulz22:52
xorpad:D22:52
tgBot<Jaume81> πŸ‘22:53
xorpadyep22:53
xorpadAnd it's looking like the bullhead port will be ready in a month or two at most, cause it's going smoothly22:54
xorpadMaybe < 1 month if it keeps being as easy as it has been22:54
xorpadalthough easy doesn't mean it's not tedious22:54
xorpadin fact, I'd say easy makes it more tedious than a challenging task22:55
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rGXmA29j/file_182022:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hehe :D here's more22:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/VFlsq0Z0/file_182122:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jwk25dU0/file_182222:58
tgBot<Xorpad> that guys smoking the wrong kind of thing22:58
tgBot<Xorpad> cigarettes are bad22:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FBCBJOor/file_182322:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yep, bad and expensive.22:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i am trying to quit22:59
tgBot<Xorpad> I smoke cigarettes, which is probably why despite being a MMA fighter who was super fit I had a heart attack at 3222:59
tgBot<Xorpad> I want to quit23:00
tgBot<Xorpad> but it's hard23:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i am not at a pack/5days from a pack/day :D23:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> but i first quit drinking alchool23:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and drastically reduced coffeine23:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 6 month alcool free23:01
tgBot<Xorpad> i quit alcohol 14 years ago, and other addictions more recently23:03
tgBot<popescu_sorin> the only thing that worked for me was to reduce the number of cigs over a long period of time23:04
tgBot<Xorpad> rehab helps23:04
tgBot<Xorpad> you can't always win the fight on your own23:04
tgBot<popescu_sorin> some people just quit, cold turkey23:04
tgBot<Xorpad> I couldn't quit the stuff I was on without help23:04
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i wasn't alchool addiceted23:06
tgBot<Xorpad> I wasn't talking about alcohol23:06
tgBot<Xorpad> that was easy to quit23:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i just quit drinking alchool because i usually smoked more23:07
tgBot<Xorpad> I just drank till I got an ulcer then I couldn't drink lol23:07
tgBot<Xorpad> 26oz every 1-2 days23:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :))))23:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :(23:07
tgBot<Xorpad> ulcer lasted 3 years, when it went away, I just never started drinking again23:07
tgBot<Flohack> anyone with a Fairphone still on?23:17
tgBot<Flohack> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/WwKbOQsL/file_1825.jpg23:19
tgBot<Flohack> can it be23:19
tgBot<Xorpad> how much are the fairphones worth?23:19
tgBot<Flohack> much too much power consumption23:19
tgBot<Xorpad> I got paid i want to get another device23:19
tgBot<Xorpad> I was thinkig of getting a pixel XL23:19
tgBot<Xorpad> since I seem to always buy every nexus/pixel  device23:20
tgBot<Xorpad> but having all 3 official devices would make implementing features for all of them the same possible23:20
tgBot<Flohack> hmm interesting the shop say due to high demand it is currently not available23:20
tgBot<Xorpad> fairphone?23:21
tgBot<Flohack> so there is also no price yes FP 223:21
tgBot<Xorpad> I will get one off craigs list23:21
tgBot<Flohack> no idea what it costs now ^^23:21
tgBot<Xorpad> no point in spen MSRP when I can get a used one that still fully functional to play with23:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I remember it being $700?23:22
tgBot<Xorpad> I bought 2 bullheads for $200 each from craigslist23:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Do they sell/ship to Canada?23:22
tgBot<Xorpad> unopened sealed new bullheads23:22
tgBot<Xorpad> I got another s7 from my carrier for $100 for commiting for another 2 years, but I have a way to get out of the agreement, and I already submitted the paperwork to report them for consumer rights violations which terminates the agreement at no penalty to me23:23
tgBot<Xorpad> So I'll be off agreement in a few weeks23:24
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―23:25
tgBot<Xorpad> I did it on purpose because my carrier offers 1 hour unlimited data 5 times a month which can be activated via their app, and I used it and it billed me for the 65GB I downloaded, and I got a $650 phone bill, they reversed the charges but I had to fight them on it, and that makes it according to law the agreement invalid23:25
tgBot<Xorpad> so I basically got an s7 for $100 with no commitment23:26
tgBot<Xorpad> exynos model23:26
tgBot<Xorpad> I love using law to mess get revenge... If I wasn't mad at the carrier I wouldn't have cancelled the agreement right after making it23:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @ubports_ot23:27
tgBot<Xorpad> sorry23:27
tgBot<Xorpad> I'll just shut up23:27
tgBot<Stereofont> @Flohack, I have one23:28
tgBot<Stereofont> Battery is empty at the moment…23:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> mine is fine, last full charge 128 hours ago X-)23:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> but it's on 16.04 and i don't use it that much23:30
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 41% left23:30
tgBot<Stereofont> Now at 4%23:31
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i charge the mx4 at 20%, because from 20% to 0 usually it takes 1 minute X-)23:32
tgBot<Stereofont> It went from 40% to nothing from 24 hours ago with no use23:32
tgBot<popescu_sorin> maybe this bug is killing the battery https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/32723:34
tgBot<Stereofont> Flight mode would disable that? I can set and check again once it is charged23:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> don't know :/23:37
tgBot<Stereofont> It ought to πŸ˜‚23:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Obviously the service, whatever it is, was never written to account for dash.ubuntu.com being unavailable23:38
tgBot<Dominik> @UniversalSuperBox, Just today i wondered about these DNS queries in wireshark. What is dash.ubuntu.com?23:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It was partly used for the music thumbnailing services.23:40
tgBot<Stereofont> @Dominik, How often does it poll?23:42
tgBot<Dominik> I now have encrypted Documents, Pictures, Download and Videos. With no noticeable performance degregation. 1080p video capture and replay worked as usual.23:42
tgBot<Dominik> @Stereofont, Just saw in wireshark queries in 60s intervals23:44
tgBot<Stereofont> Hmmm. Unimaginative. Why not 59 seconds?23:45
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Jaume81, This s not yet working in Telegram, it is still beta23:45
tgBot<Dominik> @Stereofont, More precisely: 0, 60.20, 131.3323:45
tgBot<Stereofont> Ah23:46
tgBot<Dominik> 197.8123:46
tgBot<lazypower> @Dominik, Nice!23:47
tgBot<lazypower> @Dominik, Decent benchmarks. Dustin would be proud to hear his app is faster than LUKS23:50
tgBot<Stereofont> I will charge FP2 to 50% and see what happens in aeroplane mode with no use23:54
tgBot<lazypower> @Dominik, Do we have a published list of what calls home on UTouch? Would it be helpful to profile that over 24 hours and generate a list?23:59
tgBot<lazypower> i think that makes a good case for the privacy respecting features of UBPorts, if we basically make the device self sufficient only calling out for things like NTP23:59

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