[01:56] Buying a new mouse for convergence :) [01:58] Also need to do that. Rappoo keyboard is crap! [03:18] lazypower was added by: lazypower [03:19] Got UBPorts (rev2) installed on my OPO today. Fantastic experience getting it there and it runs much faster than my ancient nexus 4 device i piloted legacy UTouch on. 👏 Great work team [03:22] Thanks, and welcome to Telegram! [03:23] i was here before, and thought i was going to make the swap to irc... there's so much missing context its almost not worth the bridge. [03:23] Hi Charles.. have we welcomed yyou yet? ;) [03:23] sure have! [03:23] darn. i was going to welcome you again :( [03:23] go for it, i wont mind [03:23] ok. did you get all the tools? [03:24] regarding community updates, audiocasts, etc? [03:24] Yeah, kind of. We've updated it again. Maybe take a quick tour here to make sure you are in the know: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) [03:24] You mean the Wayne shameless self-promotion? :P [03:24] no, i have great shame [03:24] no [03:24] ok no shame [03:25] don't worry. i shamelessly plug the Fab Four as well [03:25] Does everyone know the Fab Four? [03:26] @UniversalSuperBox @neothethird @Flohack @mariogrip = Fab Four (F4 for short) [03:26] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/vdoKcSzQ/file_1755.mp4 [03:26] I didn't ask for this life [03:26] That's Dalton [03:27] sick, i just made a pagerduty app [03:27] You got that life. Neither did I. That's why I do audiocasting now. [03:27] ok, this is a LOT further along than I expected [03:27] pagerduty? Do you mean like... a pager that you put on your waist and it beeps? [03:27] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dgyUk570/file_1756.mp4 [03:28] kind of, i work in ops. Pagerduty is that nagging app this disturbs your life when your infra misbehaves and your monitoring suite catches it [03:28] I have one! [03:28] hmm. [03:28] it ships off to pagerduty and it will text/call/alert you repeatedly until you acknowledge it, and continue to do so until the incident is resolved [03:28] sounds intersting [03:28] nice [03:28] its a mandatory thing to have for a lot of jobs when you work in infra [03:28] asterisk? [03:28] sip? [03:28] basically, i think they integrate with twilio though [03:28] but they may host their own trunks [03:29] https://www.pagerduty.com/ [03:29] hmm. neat. @exar_kun made me an asterisk system once and it had hotel wake up feature [03:29] Wayne is dying for a SIP app, don't mind him [03:29] yes. get on it. [03:29] ah wants the linphone integration eh? [03:29] where/s mjy app? [03:29] go dig int he dialer [03:30] i'm going to go dig into my pillow first [03:30] here if you need me! (later) [03:33] 👋 [04:00] My bold prediction: this group will reach 1k just before or soon after OTA-3 release. As I have observed with every release the count increase rapidly. [04:42] I like your boldness but I find it more on the conservative side. Hit me again. This time hard! [04:43] Whose gonna bet 1k in 7d? [05:04] Hey sorry to ask again is it OK to apt get packages? I read someone say it wasn't advised [05:06] Isn't adviced [05:07] you break the OTA, i think and easily create a mess. It's ok for developer phone [05:08] Would it be OK if I uninstall the packages before the OTA? I just want the exfat utils for my sd card [05:13] I've heard many say 'dont' but i don't know the why behind [05:46] @Greg, it's ok if you are aware of the implications. Some are: … - your filesystem is read-only, so you will need to remount to rw … - your filesystem has limited space on UT device, so you risk running out of space, possibly even halfway of the installation … - after OS upgrade, your installed files will be gone [05:47] We should put that in the FAQ or sticky a forum thread with that info ^ [05:47] I've seen that question quite a few times since i joined a couple days ago [05:47] in other words, if these above remarks among some other not considered sound to you like too much to worry about, then you are not advised to use apt-get. Otherwise, it's a green light, after all you are on an unlocked phone and you're the man [05:50] in yet another words: a grandmother is perhaps better off staying clear of apt-get, but her Linux savvy nephew is totally encouraged to play with it. After all, that's what it's there for ;) === JanC_ is now known as JanC [09:27] @lazypower, Hello Charkes and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [09:27] Charles even! [09:32] wow, I've been building Telegram for ARM from official github source for past 5 hours! I mean, lot of dependencies first, downloads, compiling, installing... … I will want to have a Telegram Desktop natiely for arm, to run it on Raspberry Pi and then also on the UT phone [09:32] *https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md [09:32] So Charles, with 3 welcome notes you might feel a little bit over welcomed. 😎 [09:33] You all certainly arr a friendly bunch [09:33] Better three than none 😂 [09:33] that source uses slightly pathcet qt5.6.2, I wonder if that will run on the UT phone without any issues [09:35] howto check qt version on the phone if qmake is missing? [09:35] qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmake': No such file or directory [09:36] `dpkg -l | grep qt` ? [09:36] wow, right [09:36] qt5.4.1 i'd presume [09:37] I saw 5.5.1 [09:37] do you think there is good backward compatibility from 5.6.2? [09:38] are you on xenial then? [09:38] also, I read that on UT the qt library is slightly modified, does anyone know what is the modified difference about? [09:47] ok, it's 5.4.1 in deed [10:09] Does any Bluetooth mouse or keyboard work with UT or do you have a suggestion for which one to buy? [10:11] @jonny, although I don't know, but I can tell you how to be 100% sure: buy a dongle, meaning, your keyboard/mouse set comes with an USB BT receiver [10:11] you connect it to your phone via OTG USB and it will work 100% sure [10:12] some kits have only 1 recever for both keyboard and mouse, ie. microsoft, or logitech [10:13] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/MTaeLvvO/file_1758.jpg the bt receiver on the phone is still considered big for today's market. Currently you get receivers barely adding any size atop the usb metal port itself [10:14] (Photo, 243x207) https://irc.ubports.com/fm8eKFZR/file_1760.jpg OTG to USB [10:15] (Photo, 350x350) https://irc.ubports.com/i72vRSly/file_1762.jpg or a combo, otg to usb, also sd and microSD [10:16] @jonny, I've had success with various logitech bluetooth devices. My currently use a logitech k480 keyboard and a microsoft wedge mouse. But from what i've seen from others here most generic keyboards/mice work out of the box [10:21] Thanks! Actually I already do have a mouse and keyboard with one reciever. I'll buy an adapter then. [10:21] I just thought I would need devices without a reciever... [10:22] Is it micro-b or minib? [10:24] micro-b [10:24] Wow I found 10 adapters for 1 euro on ebay and it is as small as it could be [10:24] (Photo, 800x800) https://irc.ubports.com/kDVOxqqs/file_1764.jpg [10:25] Some of the USB ports are not well constructed. Loose etc. Probably best to minimise use? [10:27] Native Bluetooth means less mechanical wear [10:32] (Photo, 450x450) https://irc.ubports.com/wuyIVSZ7/file_1766.jpg or you can find OTG docking cradle with USB ports, that way you can fix your phone on your desk, charge it and use with mouse/keyboard all at once [10:36] that sounds nice. how much does such a thing cost and does it need be made for my phone in particular? [10:38] Is there any guide how to get SSH working in Ubuntu touch? [10:39] I mean ssh server [10:43] Yes [10:45] apt install openssh [10:48] @samitormanen, I will soon add one to my blog, but eassentially you just need to install xauth [10:49] actually only if you need x forwarding, otherwise it works, you just might need to enable it [10:51] Ok. Thanks. [10:52] @samitormanen, and to enable ssh: … $ android-gadget-service enable ssh [10:52] remember that ssh on UT device is configured that it only accepts key based authentication, cannot use passwords [10:52] so you need to import your key from the client machine [10:54] Ok. It would be nice if this could be done from UT settings someday.. [10:57] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/iKFLAOQq/file_1767.7z [10:58] usage: … $ pairoverssh username@192.168.0.20 … #replace username and IP with what you are working with [10:59] Cool, thanks! [10:59] @samitormanen, no worries, I will eventually release some GUI tools for things like that, in the pipeline, but Rome wasn't built in a day ;) [11:00] 😁👍 [11:00] if you want to compile the source yourself, just: … $ sudo apt-get install fpc … $ fpc pairoverssh.pas [11:01] if you do, remember that you need to remount fs to read-write: … $ sudo mount -o remount,rw / … $ sudo apt-get install fpc … $ sudo mount -o remount,ro / … then: … $ fpc pairoverssh.pas [11:05] *to import from client machine, that client machine has to allow incoming ssh connections ;) [11:07] Ok. Thanks! [11:12] @KrisJacewicz, Awesome thanks man [11:15] @KrisJacewicz have do you Castle Game Engine? [11:15] https://castle-engine.sourceforge.io/index.php [11:16] The free open-source 3D and 2D game engine using modern Object Pascal! … A lot of 3D and 2D formats supported (X3D, VRML, Collada, OBJ, MD3, Spine...). … Portable to a lot of platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, mobile: Android, iOS, web browser plugin...). … Optimized rendering with a lot of graphic effects (shadows, mirrors, bump mapping, shader effects...). … Build and edit your scene graph (X3D) at runtime. Create pro [11:16] visualization tools! … Extensible system for game objects, with physics, creatures with AI and navmesh, and more. [11:16] I knwo about it but have not yet used it [11:16] yeah same [11:16] currently I make very simple games so I just use standard classes, and I used SDL2 few times [11:16] i'm wandering if we can use it to make games for ubuntu "touch" [11:17] because I seldomely write games, mostly other stuff [11:17] i use SDL2 but with c++ [11:17] but it looks super interesting I want to try it some day [11:17] @popescu_sorin, you can :D [11:17] it works on raspberry pi so will also work on UT [11:18] btw, I am trying to build Telegram desktop for UT today [11:18] still building :D [11:18] lot of dependencies [11:18] @mariogrip has a 64 core ARM server [11:18] :D [11:34] talking about SDL2, I was thinking to either use it, or to build qt based lazarus, to completely replace deffault scopes app managed by the upstart with my own custom one, that will mimic the ubuntu desktop behavior, with semi-transparent dash [11:35] somehow I was never sold on the scopes [11:35] it was Canonical's thing, now they no longer do UT, so I hope they can be replaced with something better [11:36] I would love to see desktop wallpaper under my app icons too [11:38] @KrisJacewicz, +1 [11:45] @KrisJacewicz, I'm trying the last command to remount as read only and it's saying it's busy [11:45] maybe some updates are installed in the background [11:46] anyways, just leave it as rw, until you no longer need it, then restart the phone, it will automatically revert to ro [11:46] or wait and try again later [11:46] Ah no I just realised I had external drives open [11:46] alright [11:46] oh that's good to know thanks [11:46] @KrisJacewicz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3ZzwVBaeY [11:47] SDL2 + free pascal [11:47] @popescu_sorin, yes, exactly! [11:47] i made this real time game editor a long time a go just to amuse myself [11:47] and geany supports fpc compiler :D [11:47] i think i've used some random sdl2 pascal binding that i found on teh internet [11:48] yeah [11:48] so coding is a breeze, no need for Lazarus IDE, as SDL is not visual programming [11:48] i suck at coding in any languages :)) so c++ or pascal or whatever language is the same for me [11:49] i don't care that much [11:49] although Lazarus IDE is easier for debugging and code refactoring, but quite an overhead in size too [11:50] back then if i remember lazarus ide kinda sucked for me, had multi windows [11:50] now i think you can have all the windows in one window [11:50] yes but multi window was what Delphi started as, then it became single window on Delphi and Lazarus catched up [11:51] GIMP also went same road, from multiwindow to currently supporting single window mode [11:51] right [11:53] for me, apart from just personal preference, Pascal has became the easiest, most time effective language for cross platform software development. Because installing it is a breeze, and it has no 3rd party dependencies liek C++ Redistributables, .NET, etc. Just download, install, write and compile. … And it did what Java claimed for years: write once, compile everywhere. [11:53] lazarus IDE allows for visual RAD that remains unmached on many platforms [11:53] and totally free and open source [11:54] I don't like overhead of SDKs or cross-compiling [11:54] or 3rd party runtime frameworks [11:56] also ObjectPascal has supported assembly language since back in the TurboPascal era, and these days devs are discussing an idea to support C or C++ embedded code in the same way [11:57] in bascal you just create ablock between two keywords "asm" and "end" and inside you write pure assembly, so maybe at some point you will have blocks liek cpp-end, or something :D [11:59] oh TP! i remember turbo pascal + asm era :)) [12:00] http://swag.delphidabbler.com/ [12:00] do you remember this^^? [12:00] @popescu_sorin, it was at the bleeding edge of tech back then, Pascal became objective language before C became C++, and the version only increased from 5.0 to 5.5, like it was not even a big deal. … But today Pacal suffers being ridiculed by people who think that it stopped evolving at TurboPascal for DOS. [12:01] @popescu_sorin, yes, back in the days I was wrting many CGI web apps with pascal [12:04] you know, with modern (paid, unfortunately) RAD Studio (that is what Delphi is known as now), in addition to "compile" button you have a drop down list from which you choose OS: Windows, OSX, iOS, Android, and recently also Linux. Whether you deploy to Android or iOS or just Windows, it has just became a matter of what you set your dropdown list to. I don't know any native app development currently available that is easier than RAD studio, note e [12:04] Xamarin is this simple. [12:04] @popescu_sorin, I wonder if we can use RPG Maker MV to make games for ubuntu touch. I'm doing a project with it. The game can be exported to Android, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux and HTML5 to have it on the web. So, maybe we can capsulate the game? [12:06] @SergioSRM, if it uses HTML5 then you can install it as a standalone webapp on the phone [12:06] maybe? :D don't know someone has to try it first [12:07] would be nice to have somone that knows how to enable stuff for the rest of us noobs [12:08] wow, after all day, I finished compiling and installing all the dependencies and now will build Telegram Desktop for ARM. Doing all that on raspberry Pi, then when I'm done and it works, I will move it to UT and try to get it running there as well! [12:08] @KrisJacewicz, good luck ^^ [12:08] @KrisJacewicz, I'm a noob, I dont know how to do it XD. I need a big red botton "MAKE A WEBAPP" ready to work 😆 [12:09] @Flohack, at least I want to be able to use it on my pi board [12:10] @SergioSRM, same here or at least some good documentation on how to :D [12:10] @KrisJacewicz, ohhh yeah, let us know your experience 😚 [12:10] btw, this tutorial discusses non-gui telegram on Raspberry pi, what is super interesting is how it can be scripted to send you notification to telegram. … http://www.instructables.com/id/Telegram-on-Raspberry-Pi/ [12:10] @KrisJacewicz, make sure you use gcc <= 4.9 otherwise you will have abi incompatibility with vivid as i presume your not using a vivid based rpi image? [12:12] (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/tGfWplYs/file_1769.jpg leaving this to run and heading out to grab some food. … If I had previously installed the CLI telegram from the link I just shared, I could write a script to send me screenshots periodically :D [12:18] I got my SD card working! I had to mount it manually to a folder I made in /media but it works thanks all. [12:20] @Greg, now imagine how awesome it would be if UT supported LUKS out of the box! You could use encrypted volumes! [12:20] Kris, this is a game changer for sure [12:21] Telegram destop forUT would be a nice workaround to have it for sure [12:21] @DanChapman, as I said, building on Raspberry pi, it has 16.04 [12:22] Would be great if it did [12:22] @popescu_sorin I ended up installing 17.04 again, right now with U8 & mir 0.28 everything smooth but I experienced two crashes/freezes sadly. I hope this will get fixed soon someday [12:22] I will first complete it as is, and then if I get any abi incompatibility problem, I will retry with lower version of gcc [12:23] there already was an error during building, but I found solution fast because someone else had it on debian x64 and left message on telegram forum: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md [12:23]