[03:54] <aaronfranke> Hello xubuntu-devel IRC members, I would still like to propose something. For the purpose of making it easier for Windows, Mint Cinnamon, Lubuntu, and other users to transition to Xubuntu, I propose changing the default location of the panel to the bottom of the screen. People who prefer it at the top of the screen can simply move it back there. 
[03:54] <aaronfranke> The default location mostly affects new users, so it should cater to them first. I'm sure there are also non-newbies who prefer the bottom of the screen.  I have created a poll to see what everyone's opinions are: http://www.strawpoll.me/14263444 There are options for top, bottom, side, or don't care. All are useful results, I encourage you to vote. This link was previously only sent to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, but I
[03:55] <aaronfranke> I don't expect that the poll results will be the final decision, but it will probably help decide where the panel's default location should be. I'm also not sure if polls are allowed in the IRC, so I apologize if they're not. Thanks for your consideration, Aaron Franke, a Xubuntu user
[03:55] <Unit193> The obvious response is "And the people who prefer to put it on the bottom can".  Your second message was cut off at 'xubuntu-devel mailing list, but'
[03:56] <aaronfranke> "This link was previously only sent to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, but I'm posting it here too."
[03:56] <aaronfranke> The default location mostly affects new users, so it should cater to them first.
[03:57] <Unit193> Ah, there we go.
[03:57] <Unit193> I'm not entirely sure I agree with that statement, but eh.  Anyway, of course I'm not the sole decider.
[05:18] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: Hi!  So I hear you're doing the Indicator stuff this cycle, are we flipping over to ayatana ones or sticking with Ubuntu ones?  I fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin in Debian such that the new version compiles, but in order to do that in Debian it needed ayatana, not sure what we'd need in a merge.
[05:19] <Unit193> Also: Our version uses crappy systemd calls to start indicators, whereas the much nicer Debian ones have xdg autostart files.
[08:43] <aaronfranke> I will be exiting this IRC now, but I hope y'all will consider what I posted above.
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> There is no requirement to switch to Ayatana Indicators project, it's your choice if you'd like too :-) 
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> Unit193: ^
[09:51] <flocculant> morning
[11:44] <bluesabre> Somebody should have told aaronfranke about xfpanel-switch
[11:44] <bluesabre> :)
[11:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, fonts.
[13:22] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: ..Right, was just trying to see what the general plan was.
[13:53] <Unit193> ninetls: More ifdef!  https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/commit/e42cc02d0eab067263b841133dbbee8674a667d0 :D
[16:45] <flexiondotorg> Unit193: The aspiration for Ubuntu MATE is to switch to Ayatana Indicators during the 18.04 cycle.
[18:00] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: OK, I was told you were in charge of those things this cycle.
[20:30] <ninetls> Unit193: I saw that