/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/11/06/#ubports.txt

tgBot<lazypower> also just got a sim for my OPO, finally can start using it as a daily driver and see where things fall over if at all00:00
tgBot<Dominik> @lazypower, Looking at some traffic atm. I see DNS queries to dash.ubuntu.com, login.ubuntu.com, daisy.ubuntu.com, start.ubuntu.com00:00
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> login makes sense. daisy is the apport service. start is... the homepage00:01
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Nice!00:01
tgBot<lazypower> idk why we are using start though. why not ship with a tiny html page on device00:02
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Dash is services related to the Unity dash and default aps00:02
tgBot<lazypower> unless that is some kind of XHR schenanigans on post00:02
tgBot<ahayzen> i seem to remember something about start possibly being used to check for a valid internet connection00:04
tgBot<lazypower> ah that makes sense00:04
tgBot<Dominik> @ahayzen, yes, it GETs /connectivity-check.html00:05
tgBot<ahayzen> yey 😊00:06
tgBot<Jaume81> @Milan Korecky, I know. It's not working yet but in near future worked.00:10
tgBot<Dominik> @Stereofont, For each DNS there are around three RST TCP handshakes in 10s interval00:12
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Jaume81, Yes once will be available official update in OpenStore. That is just behind the door .00:12
tgBot<sverzegnassi> Btw, what "smartscopesclient" is supposed to do in unity-scopes-api? … I found it uses dash.ubuntu.com as well: … unity-scopes-api/src/scopes/internal/smartscopes/SmartScopesClient.cpp:static const std::string c_base_url = "https://dash.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v2";00:14
tgBot<Dominik> (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/jvKpjFlE/file_1826.jpg00:18
tgBot<Dominik> Captured directly on UT, stored in the encrypted Document folder ;)00:19
tgBot<Dominik> The spikes are the email poll deamon00:19
tgBot<Dominik> (dekko2)00:19
tgBot<Dominik> 2000s live capture took 12% battery00:22
tgBot<mariogrip> video and voice calling working on uMatriks!!! :D00:56
tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/P2DP2qh9/file_1828.jpg00:56
tgBot<mariogrip> ignore the nasty desing :)00:56
tgBot<Dominik> @mariogrip, Matrix?00:57
tgBot<mariogrip> @Dominik, Yes!00:57
tgBot<Dominik> Nice!00:57
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @mariogrip, \o/00:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> !YAY!01:20
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip, Updated: Oct 25, 2017, is this in the last update?01:21
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, huh? i took that screen shot for an hour ago ish01:23
tgBot<mariogrip> doing some design work right now01:23
tgBot<mariogrip> with some help of @PhoenixLandPirate01:23
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> That's me!01:23
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yes i know :D01:24
tgBot<popescu_sorin> thanks!01:24
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip, https://uappexplorer.com/app/umatriks.larreamikel01:24
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Basically: No, it's not updated.01:25
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, ah! i see, no it's not even on github yet01:25
tgBot<popescu_sorin> the app was last updated on 25, oct. i was just wandering if the video call stuff landed :P01:25
tgBot<popescu_sorin> ok :D thanks01:25
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4JKBScDr/file_1830.jpg01:25
tgBot<popescu_sorin> lots of tests :D01:26
tgBot<mariogrip> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CBBPe0O7/file_1831.click01:26
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Yup, lots of tests x'D01:26
tgBot<mariogrip> "perfectly" β€” "unstable perfectly"01:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, This click is distributed without any form of warranty for damage to your Matrix account, local pets, or anything else01:27
tgBot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, +1001:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You're welcome. ;)01:27
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, "I've never had a problem with this distribution" … "I fixed the driver problem"01:27
tgBot<popescu_sorin> my standard for working apps is if it's starts and it doesn't erase my hdd than it works :))01:28
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, Lucky for you, a phone doesn't have a HDD :D01:28
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hdd/sdd/flash any kind of storing01:28
tgBot<mariogrip> i'll get the new design in place asap01:28
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yay01:29
tgBot<Dominik> (Photo, 1280x959) https://irc.ubports.com/GZCO8DEu/file_1833.jpg01:43
tgBot<Dominik> @PhoenixLandPirate, How else would you store data?01:43
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Damn it Dominik! You're inviting disaster!01:44
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, This01:44
tgBot<Schyken> @Dominik, An SSD?01:44
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> In other news, "Hell yeah our mobile OS supports SATA=USB adapters"01:44
tgBot<Dominik> @Schyken, No, with spinning disk. Its better.01:44
tgBot<Schyken> @Dominik, Eh01:45
tgBot<Dominik> @Dominik, Though it das Anti-Skip protection for jogging01:45
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @UniversalSuperBox, Whew01:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @Dominik, X-))01:48
tgBot<lazypower> @Dominik, so you can relive your 90's memories of trying to use a discman while jogging, but with your flac's01:48
tgBot<lazypower> ba dum psh01:48
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @Dominik, +1 ❀️01:48
tgBot<Dominik> @lazypower, Or have a full season of ALF in 4K01:52
tgBot<sverzegnassi> (Photo, 1280x454) https://irc.ubports.com/poy0YbJn/file_1835.jpg Ok, the QQC2 Suru style starts to look pretty decent. Time to sleep now \o/02:05
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> oooooooh02:06
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @sverzegnassi, OMG OMG OMG OMG!!02:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> this is great!02:07
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Really?02:09
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Via dogsled, may be possible02:10
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> what are you talking about02:10
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Oh. Reply super groups may not work. So you can just GUESS what I'm talking about buddy02:11
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @UniversalSuperBox, Calling @wayneoutthere !02:11
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Um. Can people here just PM me news items? Hard for me to find. :)02:12
tgBot<popescu_sorin> voice and video calls working on uMatix02:12
tgBot<popescu_sorin> QQC2 suru style02:12
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (without warranty)02:13
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :D02:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Hmm. Sounds exciting... Is that that click above because no iodate via open store02:13
tgBot<Crash_Burn> And mobile SSD drives... for when you need that little extra storage on the go ;)02:13
tgBot<sverzegnassi> And new File Manager beta coming in the following days... :)02:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!102:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> SO MANY NEWS!!!!!02:14
tgBot<sverzegnassi> Yes, until Christmas we're done!02:15
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x458) https://irc.ubports.com/pPHOr4tJ/file_1836.webp02:15
tgBot<wayneoutthere> No you're not done. This is the warm up. Now its time to start!02:16
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @sverzegnassi, Oooooo02:17
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Christmas is early Bois!02:17
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/e8i6V4uP/file_1837.mp402:18
tgBot<mariogrip> @sverzegnassi, WOW :D02:23
tgBot<Dominik> You can use the PS4 controller as a mouse and keyboard02:58
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Dominik, :D02:59
tgBot<Dominik> I configured the left stick as mouse movement. The right one is scrolling. L1/R1 is mouse left and right.03:00
tgBotmileskjeller was added by: mileskjeller04:10
tgBot<mileskjeller> Quick Query. I'm attempting to instal UBports onto my Nexus 5. However The standard installer doesn't even start (reboots phone to fastboot, then just sits there) and CPT claims to install the recovery image, but my phone reboots to TWRP04:11
tgBot<mileskjeller> any thoughts?04:11
tgBot<mileskjeller> Update, reflashed stock Android image, ran CPT again, recovery image failed to flash04:26
tgBot<mileskjeller> manually flashed the recovery image from  β€¦ `C:\Users\username\.cpt\cache\partitions\recovery.img`04:34
tgBot<mileskjeller> now it's working04:34
tgBot<vanyasem> oh Windows04:36
tgBot<vanyasem> that thing has to die04:37
tgBot<vanyasem> glad you were able to resolve your issue04:37
tgBot<vanyasem> I hope you will enjoy UBports ☺️04:37
tgBot<mileskjeller> well, cpt detected the recovery, claimed to install ubuntu then the phone rebooted04:39
tgBot<mileskjeller> there does not appear to be an OS installed04:39
tgBot<mileskjeller> haha04:39
tgBot<mileskjeller> is there still a place to get the zip file?04:43
tgBot<vanyasem> there is no flashable zip04:48
tgBot<vanyasem> as we're not an Android ROM04:48
tgBot<vanyasem> I can't help you as I don't know how to use Windows unfortunately04:48
tgBot<mileskjeller> presumably the cpt tool is the same across the board04:49
tgBot<mileskjeller> (Photo, 866x436) https://irc.ubports.com/UbVRgOJW/file_1839.jpg This is what's in my cache04:49
tgBot<mileskjeller> in the Ubports Recovery it provides me an option to "install ubuntu zip" and the old wiki does make reference to it04:49
tgBot<mileskjeller> Perhaps I should just spin up my mint VM and try it using snap04:50
tgBot<mileskjeller> looks like I'll need to try it on linux metal. the way vmware handles usb seems to be screwing things up05:21
xorpadVMware USB passthrough sucks05:21
tgBot<mileskjeller> but that's for another day05:21
tgBot<mileskjeller> xorpad especially as android devices change their device id depending on what mode they are in05:22
xorpadI use kvm for virtualization, and the usb is much better than vmware but not perfect05:22
xorpadkvm is best hypervisor imo05:23
tgBot<mileskjeller> nothing beats running on metal. The issue I'm having here stems from the fact that the ubports universal installer doesn't seem to be working right inside windows05:23
xorpadrunning on bare metal is good, but with KVM you can give access to bare metal components to the VM, and with hardware accelerated virtualization the performance is within 95% of bare metal, and with vt-d you can pass hardware device controls to the vms05:24
xorpadI have a 1080 geforce that is connected to my windows vm, and another weaker 710 geforce for my display that my monitor shows05:25
tgBot<mileskjeller> a friend of mine working in a corporate environment that swears by Hyper-V05:25
xorpadHyper-V is bad05:25
xorpadIt is immature which is probably why, when it's been getting developed for 15-20 years it will be able to compete with what we have now, but all the other hypervisors will have improved along with it so it won't catch up imo05:26
tgBot<mileskjeller> him : "fite me"05:26
xorpadhyper-v is garbage compared to kvm05:26
xorpadwindows implemented kvm in the windows linux subsystem and called it KWM05:26
xorpadso not you can use something related to and using most of the code that supports KVM, on windows05:27
xorpadbut only windows 10 pro 64 bit05:27
tgBot<mileskjeller> hmm... I should have tried the tool inside bash on windows. I do have cming set up05:27
tgBot<mileskjeller> *xming05:27
xorpadbash on windows is the windows linux subsystem05:27
tgBot<mileskjeller> not sure how WSL handles USB passthrough though05:27
xorpadit's not just bash, it's a linux kernel built to integrate with the windows 10 kernel, and it is a minimal install of ubuntu 16.04 that can do anything real bare-metal ubuntu can do, with the excepting of accessing block devices in /dev05:28
xorpadyou also can't update the kernel, since it's integrated into the windows 10 kernel05:28
xorpadbut ms calling it bash was stupid, they should have called it ubuntu shell or something05:29
xorpadbecause I've had bash on windows for years, it doesn't mean I had linux compatibility, I just had a bash shell05:29
xorpadwell, i had many linux things on windows, including an x11 server that renders via win32 api05:30
tgBot<mileskjeller> cygwin and xming, right?05:30
xorpadand openssh with x11 forwarding enabled05:30
xorpadmodified cygwin05:30
tgBot<mileskjeller> Do you remember the KDEWin project?05:30
xorpadmy own version, some of which is backported into cygwin because i submitted the code05:30
xorpadno I do not05:30
xorpadI ported a lot of stuff and gave it to cygwin, but I haven't maintained the packages in years05:31
tgBot<mileskjeller> It was a project to port all the KDE components (including plasma) over to win32 executables05:31
xorpadcool, sounds pointless lol05:31
tgBot<mileskjeller> it was, but it let me run some kde apps I missed05:31
xorpadI was using my linux ports to do things I needed linux for, but ported the stuff to windows instead05:32
xorpadthen i submitted a lot of it that cygwin didn't have, and they use it now, but I haven't maintained the packages in ages so I dunno if they are still the same version I submitted or if they updated... cygwin is bad at keeping current versions in their repositories05:32
xorpadthey are always behind a few versions because there is very few package maintainers05:32
tgBot<mileskjeller> Do you think WSL will kill Cygwin?05:33
tgBot<mileskjeller> Sidenote, WSL and Xming seem to choke on the UBports installer https://fox.scot/img/Xming_2017-11-06_05-33-33.png05:34
xorpadNot unless they add virtualized access to devices through block devices in the file system05:34
xorpadand make it stop hibernating when it doesn't recieve input05:34
xorpadWSL is not as usable as cygwin for certain things, they will still both serve their purpose unless WSL adds /proc and /dev and /run and /sys population with abstracted access to real hardware, processes, system debugging block devices, etc05:35
xorpadright now I use both, I can't use only one or the other and have all the functionality I need05:35
xorpadbut mostly I just use linux without windows05:35
tgBot<mileskjeller> I fit into that "frustrated geek" demographic. I just want my computer to work. But I'll tinker with other things to pass time, to learn or when required05:44
tgBot<mileskjeller> I hate to say that I couldn't use Linux as the daily driver on my main pc. I rely on Windows only software too much. It also lacks the frustration factor for me, hah05:45
xorpadIf you had KVM with PCIe passthrough to a good GPU, and a decent system, you could run windows in a VM with a dedicated GPU, dedicated SSD or HDD, dedicated lan or nat translation or bridged networking, you can even pass through a sound card05:47
xorpadwith a proper full KVM setup, you can have window and linux side-by-side05:47
xorpadI have debian minimal installation with a slim kernel, and then on top of it in KVM i have windows 10 and lubuntu as VM's, windows 10 having it's own SSD, sound card, GPU, and bluetooth adapter05:48
tgBot<mileskjeller> Yeah. I may do they done day with a proper rig05:48
xorpadlike, it's 90-95% as fast as just running windows 10 on bare metal05:49
tgBot<mileskjeller> But it requires time, energy and money I don't have tight now05:49
xorpadyeah you need a proper pc, and it needs iommu feature in the chipset, and VT-d along with VT-x to support the hardware passthrough05:49
xorpadI have nice hardware, but I bought it on credit05:50
xorpadso I'll be paying it off for a few years05:50
xorpadWell, I bought it with borrowed money from myself technically, but I'm gonna put the money back over the next ~3 years05:50
tgBot<mileskjeller> As long as you have a system for working it05:51
xorpadworking what?05:51
tgBot<mileskjeller> 6am me knows what he's saying, but is currently unable to articulate it a different way05:52
xorpadhehe05:52
xorpadit's all good05:52
xorpadbasically I have awesome computers but I can't really afford them and bought them anyways lol05:52
tgBot<mileskjeller> Either way. It's been good chatting with you. I'm going to attempt some sleep.05:53
tgBot<mileskjeller> You have a good day, night, whatever your timezone is05:54
xorpadgood night05:54
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> on UT how do you change default application for a specific file extension? would mimeapps.list work?06:21
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @KrisJacewicz, AFAIK media hub doesn't have default apps, but it makes the user decide based on info in the manifest file of each app. [Not by extension however iirc, but by categories (such as images, documents...)]06:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Sticker, 512x315) https://irc.ubports.com/qEgmPnuY/file_184006:42
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> so this is only designed for click? otherwise what else has manifest??06:43
tgBotIshan KnowsNothing was added by: Ishan KnowsNothing06:50
tgBot<Xorpad> welcome Ishan06:53
tgBot<Ishan KnowsNothing> Thank you, @Xorpad06:56
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Ishan KnowsNothing, Hello Ishan and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)07:02
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @mileskjeller, With some delay but never is late. Hello Miles and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)07:03
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> VLC works on the phone, starts on the phone, audio works well, but the video freezes on a frame or lags terribly07:11
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tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/KbKLRZ8R/file_1842.png07:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HDXTu9Nr/file_1844.jpg07:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/s6h2VF0q/file_1846.jpg07:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Tf5zkPEO/file_1848.jpg07:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I wonder if this is due to Xmir or due to VLC not being able to use hardware accelleration07:13
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tgBot<YougoChats> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OLU8CKDY/file_1850.png07:17
tgBot<Stereofont> @flohack after 7 hours with the FP2 having zero use overnight but with aeroplane mode on, the charge went from 55% to 52%07:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @YougoChats, that message has literally 19 words, I don't get your comment07:20
tgBot<DanChapman> @sverzegnassi, iirc isn't smartscopes the "remote" ones like bbc, amazon etc. Which are just scope definitions in json (or something like that) that the scope runner then loads07:22
tgBot<DanChapman> @YougoChats, Heh! two most interesting things i see is progress on the qqc2 suru theme and voice and video calls working on umatriks07:23
tgBot<YougoChats> @KrisJacewicz, not specifically directed at your post, but more about the 1854 others befor it07:23
tgBot<DanChapman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/lIuXiQ5h/file_1828.jpg07:24
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @YougoChats, i see, whoah, I thought it was reporting my message to be that long07:25
tgBot<YougoChats> @DanChapman, thanks. i guess going afk on a family weekend from a supergroup with 950 members does that to a post count07:26
tgBot<DanChapman> πŸ˜„07:27
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> just saw this, x86 apps running on arm: … https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/exagear-desktop-features-and-prices/07:27
tgBot<YougoChats> @DanChapman, very nice. now i just need some people with matrix to talk to...07:28
tgBot<DanChapman> yeah i realy should try using it more.07:28
tgBot<Flohack> @Stereofont, Thats strange then, see my screenshot, I got much more drop07:30
tgBot<Milan Korecky> Is it so unstable the new uMatriks as announced?07:30
tgBot<YougoChats> @KrisJacewicz, yeah i saw that a while ago when i was looking to get teamviewer to run on my phone. they seem to be doing a good job, but given the stack (.../mir/libertine/xorg/exagear/wine/teamviewer) there was too many ways for it to not work to spend money on that idea07:34
tgBot<YougoChats> using QEMU somehow would be a nicer solution i think. then with xmir and snapping the whole qemu/wine/teamviewer part... maaaybe..07:36
tgBot<YougoChats> (teamviewer for linux really is teamviewer for windows + baked in wine session)07:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> teamviewer originally was bundled with wine, and perhaps it still is up to this day. wine provides integration with the graphical session. I don't think it would that straightforward to run teamviewer in such a way07:38
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @YougoChats, exactly07:38
tgBot<YougoChats> they do have an ARM host for Raspberry Pi, but i want the client part to run on my phone07:40
tgBot<YougoChats> another angle would be that android client running on Anbox on UT, but that's nowhere near running either07:41
tgBot<Stereofont> @Flohack, On aeroplane you got the drop?07:52
tgBot<Stereofont> @Flohack, Mine was a test with no network07:54
tgBot<Stereofont> @Milan Korecky, We could rename it nitrocellulose07:57
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4sHHimLZ/file_1852.jpg apt-get install btanks07:58
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/hulJwE1M/file_1854.jpg but OSK does not show up, and touch doesn't work, this game requires keyboard input :(07:58
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> music plays super well, and animation while loading super smooth too07:59
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I would try supertuxkart or hedgewars, both available for ARM, but each weights 200M+ so won't try them now08:00
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/czvtFh2L/file_1856.png08:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/IQTICiOJ/file_1858.png08:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PHlja9mw/file_1860.png08:07
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/GPjq2cjh/file_1864.jpg this one actually WORKS!08:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3Y0BVnxe/file_1863.png08:11
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zrtJUV00/file_1866.png08:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/clRN8VW4/file_1868.jpg just size very tiny08:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> approx 50M space on hard drive08:12
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aATga2Ny/file_1870.jpg started with matchbox-window-manager08:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/adBUiXZq/file_1872.png08:18
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rPBSCI0Z/file_1874.png08:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tSAadzxf/file_1876.png08:19
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/F5WNdkCC/file_1878.png08:19
tgBot<Xorpad> wut, vlc on ubports?08:20
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> that's right08:22
tgBot<salarelv> wa08:22
tgBot<Xorpad> man, I've been including support for h265 and h264 in the bullhead port08:23
tgBot<Xorpad> it took like 3 hours of adding the support from linux 4.14RC into the haluim bullhead kernel08:24
tgBot<Xorpad> just moving code around basically08:25
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> yes but vlc doesnt seem to have any hardware acceleration. audio plays well but image freezes. if you move over the timeline it will update frame to the new position and stay on it.08:28
tgBot<Xorpad> ahh08:29
tgBot<Xorpad> well it's cool that it runs at all08:30
tgBot<Xorpad> try different formats see if any formats and codecs are well supported, if you're up for messing around with it that is08:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> I will eventually08:34
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> ginn - makes legacy apps touch friendly: … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLdzXe8DeQ08:36
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/VoRamTcN/file_1880.png08:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JDPv6or9/file_1882.png08:40
tgBot<Xorpad> heh08:40
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/pHOgZwsD/file_1884.jpg just small res08:40
tgBot<Xorpad> I'm have a plan and I know how to implement apt-get not affecting the rootfs, but still seeming to the user and the userspace programs and stuff as if they were installed right into the rootfs08:42
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @KrisJacewicz, #seelater saving for watching on WiFi :)08:42
tgBot<devsigma_bot> But it seems great08:42
tgBot<Xorpad> basically the kenel has a vfs(virtual file system), so I need to modify that to combine 2 filesystems, with a system for deciding which one to use if 2 files conflict in terms of same filename/path08:43
tgBot<Xorpad> It would make apt-get install/remove/updating things be easy, permenant, and not mess with updates08:43
tgBot<Xorpad> it's a pretty simple thing to do really, the hard part is finding time08:44
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nmiYrcpH/file_1886.png08:44
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, It seems great to08:44
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/c5kQQ3dQ/file_1888.png08:44
tgBot<Xorpad> hehe08:45
tgBot<Xorpad> you're screen is just too high dpi, it's too good to run that game08:45
tgBot<devsigma_bot> I'm not a great programmer but I can help with translations08:46
tgBot<devsigma_bot> To be more specific, Brazilian Portuguese translations08:46
tgBot<Xorpad> no one is a grreat programmers, and those who think they are, are full of themselves and don't know how little they know08:47
tgBot<Xorpad> If I was a great programmer, programming would be easy and therefore not enjoyable and challenging08:47
tgBot<Xorpad> like there are many genius programmers, I met one once08:48
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, Haha but I'm completely newbie programmer08:48
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, You're goddam right08:48
tgBot<Xorpad> He mentored me in maleware design and vulnerability research, he was a genious of all things hacking08:48
tgBot<Xorpad> I don't desing malware since I finsihed experinting with it for a while, but it's really cool how you can manipuate the system into doing stuff it's designed to prevent you from doing08:49
tgBot<Xorpad> he gave me his entire collection of malware sources, and I studied most of it for science/learning purposes08:50
tgBot<devsigma_bot> Yes, it's really great08:50
tgBotΠ‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘ was added by: Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘08:50
tgBot<devsigma_bot> But, how I can start working on translations?08:51
tgBot<Xorpad> I never made actual malware, aside from experimenting on my own virtual macines, but I've used the thing i've learn to do some very innovative things that only someone who knows how to manipuate the systems and security measures and all that... It has made me pretty decent at writing secure systems and code because I know how the bad guys think08:51
tgBot<Stereofont> @devsigma_bot, Great! We need app translations via weblate bit we also need translations for the website and help for those who cannot interact with us in English08:52
tgBot<Xorpad> I've learned so much ways to exploit software, so I know so many mistakes to avoid08:52
tgBot<Xorpad> translators are always in short supply08:52
tgBot<Xorpad> every project needs translators i find08:52
tgBot<Xorpad> the problem is there aren't that many people who are good at english in many countries where their native langauge isn't english08:53
tgBot<devsigma_bot> I'm Brazilian, I can translate to my native language08:53
tgBot<Xorpad> so some languages are very hard to get translatiosn done08:53
tgBot<Xorpad> Brazilian!!! I study your jiu-jistu08:53
tgBot<Xorpad> lol08:53
tgBot<Stereofont> @Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘, Hello  Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘ and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)08:53
tgBot<Xorpad> invented in brazil in 1918 or 1919,08:54
tgBot<Xorpad> by the gracie family08:54
tgBot<devsigma_bot> I'm not too good on English but I will survive08:54
tgBot<devsigma_bot> It's easy for me the context checking of the transportation before I do it08:54
tgBot<Xorpad> I wish I lived in brazil so I could go to gracie academy with all the black belt coaches that have been learning it since before BJJJ spear to the whole world08:54
tgBot<Stereofont> @devsigma_bot, We will invite you layer to get involved if that is okay?08:54
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, Yes, I respect then too much for that, I love jiu jitsu08:55
tgBot<Flohack> @devsigma_bot, You can go on https://translate.ubports.com, create an account or use SSO and there you go! ;908:55
tgBot<Xorpad> also brazil government refuses to accept patents on extremely expensive medications so the citizens can get medication that costs in usa 8000 per mont, for like 100 per month08:56
tgBot<Xorpad> they rejected almost every AIDS drug patent08:56
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Stereofont, Thanks08:56
tgBot<Xorpad> pretty much any medication that is really expensive just because of exclusive production rights, they allow generics of in brazil08:56
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Flohack, Ok, limited 3g now, but I'm going to check ASAP08:57
tgBot<Xorpad> 3g only?08:57
tgBot<Xorpad> no LTE?08:57
tgBot<devsigma_bot> The generic medicaments policy is great08:57
tgBot<Xorpad> yeah08:58
tgBot<Xorpad> here the company that invents it gets exclusive right s for either 15 or 25 years i forget which, to make the drug, so they can charge crazy amounts08:58
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, No, artificiale limited, non payed bill (high expensive value, waiting for solution)08:58
tgBot<Xorpad> oh08:59
tgBot<Xorpad> crummy08:59
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> Hi all) thanks for welcoming words) If you'll need any help with translation on Russian - i can help with that) Also, i have herd about your project for two days, and its awesome. I wish, i can help to develop UT on the mobile systems, because the Samsung did the convergention for S7-8 and its awesome. Its future, i think. Where i can find info about a development for UB mobile platform?) And sorry for my runglish)08:59
tgBot<Xorpad> at least it still works08:59
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Xorpad, 2 year is the maximum that I can accept, is enough to bring back investment08:59
tgBot<Xorpad> pharacutical companies make huge money09:00
tgBot<Xorpad> it's a huge industry09:00
tgBot<Xorpad> the problem is their more interested in treating medical problems than curing them09:00
tgBot<Xorpad> I mean, if you can make $8000 per month off one AIDS patient, why would you want to invent a cure for AIDS09:00
tgBot<devsigma_bot> In all areas that I mean09:00
tgBot<Stereofont> @Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘, Sorry for our Russian πŸ˜€09:01
tgBot<Xorpad> Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ is your name pronounces sergio in english?09:01
tgBot<devsigma_bot> But patent is the wrost thing that I know09:01
tgBot<Flohack> Sergej is more likely right?09:02
tgBot<Xorpad> ahh09:02
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> @Xorpad, yeah, it is) Also its "Serj" in french09:02
tgBot<Xorpad> I have a friend with this name09:02
tgBot<Xorpad> from kazakhstan09:02
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> @Flohack, Its how it sound)09:02
tgBot<devsigma_bot> I'm pretending to do a mechanical project (a electric motorcycle) but completely open, and protected from patent trolls09:02
tgBot<Xorpad> we call him serge09:02
tgBot<Stereofont> @Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘, I was going to invite you to the welcome room bit you don't have a username?09:02
tgBot<Xorpad> He's a cool guy, really strait up and good hearted09:03
tgBot<Stereofont> The welcome room link seems messed up somehow09:03
tgBot<Xorpad> like he throws lan parties every week, and  mountain bikes, and is converting a camero '84 to performance electric car09:04
tgBot<Xorpad> lan parties are awesome09:04
tgBot<Xorpad> now with high speed internet people don't have them as much09:04
tgBot<bhushanshah> Mmmmay I suggest... OT group? πŸ˜›09:04
tgBot<Xorpad> yes sir!09:04
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> @Stereofont, Its may be, i'll add my username right now, for what is that link?)09:06
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> @Stereofont, oh, yeah, i'm asking questions before i think or read a text in the link, sorry, i'm joined group, thanks a lot)09:10
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Stereofont, What I need to get involved?09:13
tgBot<Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘> @devsigma_bot, i think it just for help newbies like me09:14
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Π‘Π΅Ρ€Π³Π΅ΠΉ Π‘, I'm going to get involved on translations too09:15
tgBot<Stereofont> @devsigma_bot, I am waiting for a guy from Canada to come online. We will message you later and thanks09:15
tgBot<devsigma_bot> @Stereofont, Thank you09:18
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @KrisJacewicz, I asked in the Canonical times to the devs about why legacy programs don't run with hardware acceleration, and they said Xmir still doesn't support it on ARM devices.09:37
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> I do not know if with newer versions of Mir this has been fixed09:38
tgBot<TomasOqvist> This bug (OPO) still needs confirmation. Could anyone with an OPO on the devel channel see if it works or not. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1310:04
tgBot<j2g2rp> maybe i have the same problem, but in my case I'm not sure if usb female of phone is fine. Since some months ago it has failling so...10:15
tgBot<TomasOqvist> @j2g2rp, I have tried a few different cables and they all work with my Android Nexus 4, but not with uTouch on OPO.10:22
tgBot<alan_griffiths> @popescu_sorin your recent posts inspired me to write this: https://forum.yunit.io/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34410:32
tgBot<LarreaMikel> @alan_griffiths, +110:39
tgBot<demokrit atomos> @alan_griffiths, I think someone is already working on the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/+archive/ubuntu/yunit11:40
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @alan_griffiths, Many thank, you just saved my 16.04 on my laptop, I was going to try, thank you thank you11:40
tgBot<Stefan Kalb> Where can I see the most current release of each Ubuntu touch channel (stable/rc/devel)?11:44
tgBot<malditobastardo> @Milan Korecky, I tried 😿11:48
tgBot<Stereofont> @Stefan Kalb, There is a list on the UBports forum11:49
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, 😭πŸ˜₯11:50
tgBot<Stereofont> @Stefan Kalb, I am trying to locate exactly11:55
tgBot<Flohack> @Stefan Kalb, What do you mean with see?11:55
tgBot<Stefan Kalb> Have an overview what is the current release on each channel for the different devices.11:57
tgBot<Stereofont> There is a table of revisions somewhere12:06
tgBot<Stereofont> 4112:06
tgBot<Flohack> @Stefan Kalb, This release number will be just an arbitrary number without any additional information. Curious why this is important ;)12:11
tgBot<Flohack> But step through these directories: https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/15.04/12:12
tgBot<Flohack> you will find various version numbers there ;)12:12
tgBot<delijati> @alan_griffiths, +1 i think the problem is currently that only @jsalatas is working in yunit!?12:14
tgBot<delijati> @alan_griffiths12:15
tgBot<delijati> Fwd from jsalatas: I have been busy lately (after the 16.04/Qt 5.9 thing). I'm close to have it ported to debian sid (gcc 7) and eventually ubuntu 17.10,. Hope I'll find some time to complete these thing soon :\12:15
tgBot<alan_griffiths> @delijati, That's mostly true*, and what needs fixing. But to fix that people need a "way in" and that's why people need a way to "try and tinker". Hence my suggestion. … * There's also "WebDrake" working on https://github.com/yunit-io/unity-system-compositor/issues/1 and @bregma was working on build infrastructure.12:21
tgBot<David_Gamiz_Jimenez> πŸ‘12:26
tgBot<delijati> good to know that there are more people involved ... i am more on the app development side so for me a working environment where i can build and test my ubports app would be great ...12:27
tgBot<delijati> currently i'm kinda stuck to 17.04 but even here the content-hub and some other parts are pretty buggy to work with12:28
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @mileskjeller, Hi Miles, you sound like you are not far from my own category. I was sitting where you were, and I've tinkered and learned  alot since.  Here is the good news, I think we can get you off windows and I'm willing to chat with you (as mjy time permits) on the side to help you get there.12:30
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, who?  it's winter so they are all hibernating...12:33
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tgBot<wayneoutthere> @devsigma_bot, Hi Julio, I just woke up from my daily hibernation so feel free to PM me on the side and I'll keep you up to date on languages.  Thanks!13:09
tgBotpeternerlich was added by: peternerlich13:38
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Welcome to UBports world, Peter13:40
tgBot<peternerlich> Hi13:43
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @peternerlich, @peternerlich I'm also part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)13:43
tgBot<peternerlich> Risking that I'd rather have read this and other pages more thoroughly: … How big do you see the chances that I as a junior IT student in Germany can help with the project enough to keep my installation on the BQ Aquaris E4.5 alive and as up to date as necessary? … (Regard me as a newbie to big projects like this)13:51
tgBot<wayneoutthere> I am not the highest level tech... but i k now that someone else was doing this on your device recently.  I think your chances are 'good'  and probably you are not the only one who wants to reach the same goal. perhaps someone else can speak more clearly on this as I haven't been involved in many installs13:54
tgBot<Stereofont> @peternerlich, 4.5 will not develop because the hardware is too limited. Obviously the phone can stay useable for many years …13:56
tgBot<peternerlich> @Stereofont, Understandable. To step this up, is my idea then realistic to leave out some features I don't need to compile my personal version or is this near to impossible because these are integral parts? I chose the 4.5 because of it's form factor, I dislike phones bigger than that13:58
tgBot<Stereofont> @peternerlich, It is not bloated so there is no real need to remove stuff. Would you like to discuss further in the welcome room?14:04
tgBot<peternerlich> @Stereofont, I think that's it, thank you very much! I'll think about joining a team anyway, whether for the 4.5 or not.14:06
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @peternerlich, great idea.  You'll not regret participating.  We are about to explode in the next 32 days.  I applied 32 days to add mystery14:09
tgBot<mileskjeller> @wayneoutthere, Thanks for the offer. But with my current situation switching to Linux full time is the furthest from my mind. I have Linux systems for diagnostic use though14:12
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Good day.  We have just started a 'languages' brainstorming group.  Whoever is interested in 'languages' let me know and I"ll invite you to the group.  Just PM me on the side.  Thanks!14:13
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @mileskjeller, Sorry to hear about the hindrance from your current situation.  Hopefully things get better for you.14:14
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tgBot<Stefan Kalb> @Flohack, Just to verify that I am on the latest build when testing in RC 😎14:45
tgBot<Stefan Kalb> Aha, the update from r10 to r11 is not found again. So, I first need to switch through the channels again, sigh 😜14:50
tgBot<juanx0> @wayneoutthere, πŸ™‹β€β™‚14:51
tgBot<Flohack> @wayneoutthere, What is it about?14:52
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Languages.14:52
tgBot<Flohack> Ah DAT one14:52
tgBot<Stereofont> @flohack Experiment completed. 7 hours with FP2 on standby with aeroplane mode enabled = drop from 55% to 52%. 7 hours with FP2 on standby without aeroplane enabled = drop from 52% to 36%14:52
tgBot<Flohack> Which reminds me of having to learn Go now, as it seems UT uses it a lot.14:52
tgBot<Flohack> @Stereofont, Thats better than mine, I have a drop from 100% to 51% or so in 7hrs today14:53
tgBot<Flohack> is this old or new FP2?14:53
tgBot<Stereofont> Refurbished but old design14:53
tgBot<Stereofont> But it sat there doing nothing with screen off14:54
tgBot<Stereofont> Polling DNS is a huge drain14:54
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> Hi guys! My father back to me my old meizu mx4 (stock Android) and I want to install ubport on it, can you tell me the best way ?15:31
tgBot<Stereofont> @Yumeng Ley, Great. Sure, we will do our best. It had Ubuntu Touch on it before?15:35
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> Nop, only Android15:36
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> I never did nothing, no root ever15:36
tgBot<Stereofont> @Yumeng Ley, Meizu sometimes have one name but different inside. That could create problems15:37
tgBot<Stereofont> @Yumeng Ley, What OS is on your computer?15:37
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> Ubuntu 16.0415:37
tgBot<Stereofont> Great15:38
tgBot<Stereofont> Try the Appimage installer15:38
tgBot<Stereofont> http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage15:39
tgBot<Stereofont> https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/8015:39
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> @Stereofont, Thanks!!!!!!!15:39
tgBot<Stereofont> Let us know progress and any problems15:40
tgBot<Stereofont> You are on developer mode?15:40
tgBot<Stereofont> Enable OEM unlocking and allow USB debugging15:40
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> Ho yes, I'm going to do everything in the night, now I'm on my job15:41
tgBot<Stereofont> Okay. Good luck15:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Generally, if your MX4 has Flyme it's stuck on it. There's just too many variables involved in flashing those phones.16:03
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> There were a lot of different MX4's, too. :.16:03
tgBot<Stereofont> @UniversalSuperBox, Flyme is Chinese localised OS?16:05
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I think it's just their name for Android16:05
tgBot<Stereofont> Worth a try but I did warn about the variable hardware content16:06
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, had flyme πŸ˜•16:06
tgBot<Yumeng Ley> I'm going to do a back up, and told you later16:07
tgBot<Stereofont> @UniversalSuperBox, Maybe more hope later with Halium?16:09
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Biggest problem is that the bootloader is permanently locked16:10
tgBot<Stereofont> @UniversalSuperBox, Ah. Large hammer job …16:12
tgBot<mileskjeller> Ok, so, update on what I was working on last night17:10
tgBot<mileskjeller> I've got my Linux Mint laptop out and have started the process with the UBports installer17:11
tgBot<mileskjeller> it gets to the point of rebooting into recovery then hangs17:11
tgBot<mileskjeller> "Waiting for decive to enter recovery mode"17:11
tgBot<GiovanniStaiano> Hi, Ubuntu Touch 16.04 on Nexus 5 can be used at the moment?17:12
tgBot<Stereofont> OEM unlock and USB debugging in Developer Options?17:13
tgBot<mileskjeller> @Stereofont, I started the process from Fastboot as the device does not currently have Android on it (it's been wiped in the process of trying to get Ubuntu on it) … But the device is OEM unlocked and is sitting in the ubports recovery menu right now17:13
tgBot<Stereofont> @GiovanniStaiano, Not unless you are a five star developer.  Hopefully not very far away17:14
tgBot<mileskjeller> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/SxpGQ7vQ/file_1890.jpg17:14
tgBot<mileskjeller> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jyTReQuC/file_1892.jpg17:14
tgBot<GiovanniStaiano> @Stereofont, Thank you17:15
tgBot<Stereofont> @mileskjeller, Best is to come into the welcome room to take it offline. Could take a while17:16
tgBot<mileskjeller> Pardon?17:16
tgBot<Stereofont> @mileskjeller, Oh. Your privacy settings prevent invites17:17
tgBot<mileskjeller> Ok, updated17:18
tgBot<mileskjeller> invite away17:18
tgBot<Stereofont> There is a different telegram group for those detailed chats17:18
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tgBot<ebetonro> Just started to see if I can use it as daily driver...fingers crossed18:14
tgBot<ebetonro> Oh...I was reply to @Stereofont comment about N518:15
tgBot<ebetonro> Telegram beta appeared seems to lack the reply option in supergroups as probably you already know @Flohack18:16
tgBot<Stereofont> @ebetonro, Just don't use the flashlight …18:17
tgBot<ebetonro> Lol18:17
tgBot<ebetonro> Only for pictures18:17
tgBot<ebetonro> I know about that bug18:17
tgBot<SergioSRM> Who is the voice in UBPort Podcast?18:33
tgBot<SergioSRM> Because sounds like a listening exercises 😜18:35
tgBot<Stereofont> @SergioSRM, Wayne 😎18:39
tgBot<SergioSRM> @Stereofont, Thank you! So, @wayneoutthere, you must apply for jobs related to the voice. Your pronunciation is very easy to understand!18:42
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @SergioSRM, It's an Audiocast - not a Podcast.  It's ooo-booon-too, not You-Bun-218:44
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @SergioSRM, thanks, I teach ESL ....18:45
tgBot<wayneoutthere> did you hear the latest reggae release??? is it better than Joes????18:45
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @exar_kun !  we should have an epic rap battle!!18:45
tgBot<SergioSRM> @wayneoutthere, I heard it but I didnt hear Joe's one18:47
tgBot<SergioSRM> πŸ˜…18:47
tgBot<SergioSRM> I started just a few minutes ago with the audiocasts18:47
tgBot<wayneoutthere> oh, welcome to those.  @exar_kun did "I never sleep' the hottest hit single of 201718:48
tgBot<wayneoutthere> you'll hit it if you leave it on auto-play ;)18:48
tgBot<wayneoutthere> enjoy18:48
Talustushi :)18:50
tgBot<SergioSRM> I cant leave it on autoplay, i have to be focused to understand English speaking, so I have to pay attention 😳😳18:50
Talustusanyone available for some porting help?18:51
tgBot<Stereofont> @Talustus, What do you mean when you say 'porting'?19:12
TalustusStereofont: i did a build for Galaxy S4 it booted and i'm able to adb into the device but there is no display coming up and the android container fails to start, but cant figure out the reason19:13
Talustusas far as i can see the container fails cause of cgroups19:14
tgBot<Stereofont> @Talustus, Well if you are successful at all it will take three months or more. The Sudoku project with Halium 7.1 will probably by then be far ahead of you19:16
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Are you using Halium?19:17
Talustusi just fetched the ubports repo ubports-5.1 branch19:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh. That is not in good shape, Halium19:18
TalustusUniversalSuperBox i tried halium as well but fails on container start as well19:25
tgBot<JBBgameich> But the old UBports Style porting won't be supported in Ubuntu Touch Xenial, so just don't use it19:28
tgBot<JBBgameich> You need to fix your Halium kernel configuration to make the container start19:29
Talustusok JBBgameich will reflash halium to device and continue from there19:31
tgBot<JBBgameich> Have you joined the Halium channel?19:34
Talustusnot yet19:34
tgBot<JBBgameich> People there will most likely will be able to help you19:35
Talustusi'm in there now19:35
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @alan_griffiths, yay! i think 18.04 would be awesome to test unity8, it has the Qt LTS and it's also where ubports will move after 16.04?19:37
tgBot<wayneoutthere> This all sounds good to me! Need my vote ? Unity and Ubuntu Touch. Sounds like something is alive19:43
tgBot<popescu_sorin> so we have this text files https://github.com/unity8-team19:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> that probably depends on other files :)))19:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and we need to like.. compile stuff? and make it work on 17.1019:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i don't even know where to start lol19:48
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Sudo apt install unity819:48
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> That's where I'd at least try to start19:49
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hehe! that would be nice :D and then a simple way to report bugs19:49
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> We should get rid of github, and replace it with a telegram group called "Bug reports"19:51
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @PhoenixLandPirate, YES!  Someone find @wayneoutthere  πŸ˜‚19:53
tgBot<Stereofont> @PhoenixLandPirate, Oooh. You modernist, you …19:56
tgBot<Stereofont> A bug corroboration group seems like a good idea. A quick check to confirm with another user. To weed out and refine before formal bug reporting20:00
tgBot<Stereofont> Bug reporting needs to be very systematic and rigorous20:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i would join a bug reporting group :))20:05
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> Idk sounds like people would just use it to throw out a bug with no checking and no info just "Scrren doesn't turn on plz help thank"20:08
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/+archive/ubuntu/yunit20:09
tgBot<popescu_sorin> looks like this has the text files form unity8 git compiled from 17.1020:09
tgBot<Stereofont> @PhoenixLandPirate, +120:09
tgBot<popescu_sorin> so i need to install that first?20:09
tgBot<DanChapman> @PhoenixLandPirate, Thats the average bug report anyway so whether it's dumped in a telegram group or an issue tracker is here nor their. Both are pretty useless. On the other hand a group could be a good way to teach people about creating "useful" bug reports20:11
tgBot<Crash_Burn> @DanChapman, πŸ‘πŸ‘20:11
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tgBot<Stereofont> So group 2073.a sub para 4 of UBports … πŸ˜‚20:16
tgBot<Crash_Burn> UT16.04 and snaps... can someone provide guidance?20:18
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Crash_Burn, well. if you are serious... well... we could do this. the obvious questions would arise but... well... we could do this...20:23
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @DanChapman, hearing this from Captain Chapman makes me think this is more possible than even I thought.. This would be... revolutionary.  This would be... awesome.....or chaos... or both20:24
tgBot<Stereofont> @wayneoutthere, Unique Reference Numbers: ISO document retrieval … are you quite, quite sure?20:28
tgBot<Stereofont> Project Herd Cat20:29
tgBot<wayneoutthere> hmm. ok sounds like the other idea above is better.20:32
tgBot<wayneoutthere> ok, here is my thought20:33
tgBot<wayneoutthere> drum roll (read yourselves to attack and kill my idea as always!)20:33
tgBot<Stereofont> How to Do It group sounds good though20:33
tgBot<wayneoutthere> 1. make a bug group (not sure if this is by device, by app, or ... something, but something that is  'mass numbers') … 2. people dump bugs in here before bug reporting … 3. bug confirmed (by masses) real time … 4. Bug Captail (AKA Captain Bug) role is to correctly report bug once confirmed … 5. Discuss bugs?  If it makes enough people punch themselves in face may require prioritizing?20:35
tgBot<wayneoutthere> ok FIRE!20:35
tgBot<Stereofont> Captain Bug with 300 filing clerks20:36
tgBot<Stereofont> How about a Wednesday night tutorial group. Strictly 40 minutes. One topic is 'How to file a bug'20:37
tgBot<ebetonro> @Stereofont, that will be nice20:45
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, this seems smart.  Maybe we can talk about bug filling on the audio cast too about how its important20:46
tgBot<Stereofont> There is a time zone problem so not everyone would be able to participate live20:48
tgBot<ebetonro> if it is recorded would be better20:54
tgBot<DanChapman> @Stereofont, +1  β€¦ ubuntu used to do something similar once a week where there was one or two tutorial/educational sessions. Would be good to see something similar and recorded so it can be used a reference to point noobs at.21:06
tgBot<Michele> @DanChapman, +121:07
tgBot<Stereofont> Celebration for 1000?21:08
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, get drunk and watch a bug tutorial?  PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY!!!21:08
tgBot<wayneoutthere> ;)21:09
tgBot<wayneoutthere> but yeah, we should hae a bunch of new stuff happening soon to celebrate.   but something else... yeah.. not much time.  Remember 1K in 7d!21:09
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @DanChapman, ubuntu on air stuff?21:10
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir/videos?disable_polymer=121:11
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Dekko2 will be re-written as a snap package.. so does that mean snaps will be working in UT16.04?21:37
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Crash_Burn, is someone holding out? ;)21:41
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @popescu_sorin, why isn't UBports stuff streaming here?21:41
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @wayneoutthere, don't know, you probably need to talk to ubuntu people to add the ubports streams there21:50
tgBot<popescu_sorin> not sure how that works21:50
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hmm an arm notebook https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=370721:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> can we install ubuntu touch on it? :D21:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and if we could.. then we could run arm clicks?21:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> are there any arm desktops? o_O21:53
tgBot<Stereofont> @popescu_sorin, Was Marius playing with one?21:56
tgBot<Stereofont> They are on special order21:56
tgBot<popescu_sorin> don't know.. pinebook? i think he has a GPD Pocket22:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> x86 atom?22:01
tgBot<Stereofont> MariusG22:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> oh not MariusQ22:02
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :D22:02
tgBot<Lorxu> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2VrOYts9/file_1893.mp422:04
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Crash_Burn, @DanChapman started with snap version before Canonical announced they will not continue. Than with Ubports started to develop Dekko2 click from the snap version I think. Let us see his comment when he will connect22:04
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Lorxu, I'll take it as a, you agree22:04
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItXpmLsINs22:08
tgBot<popescu_sorin> WTF am i watching??22:08
tgBot<popescu_sorin> RM Desktop based on the Quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 Marvell MACCHIATObin development board with a Radeon or Nvidia GPU22:08
Talustuswell using halium the lxc container seems to start, still no display and no adb/telnet/ssh22:15
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n0C4fem7CA22:16
Talustuswhats the suggested rootfs to use?22:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> so this is an ARMv8 quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 cpu + nvidia or amd video card? woa?22:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i need this?22:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwop47HDtw22:27
tgBot<popescu_sorin> OMG!22:27
tgBot<ebetonro> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/my2Y69lO/file_1895.jpg22:28
tgBot<ebetonro> @popescu_sorin stil gate you22:28
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :))22:28
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i will fix the game, i promise22:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> by christmas22:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i need to move it to fishy2 engine22:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> as it is now it's just a silly prototype i made to test how sdl2 works22:30
tgBot<popescu_sorin> on ubuntu touch22:30
tgBot<ebetonro> by then I will finnish it22:33
tgBot<ebetonro> :))22:33
tgBot<popescu_sorin> then.. there is balls2 :D22:33
tgBot<popescu_sorin> that is basically balls1 with some changes that i never finished22:34
tgBot<popescu_sorin> pff22:34
tgBot<popescu_sorin> omg! i had no idea that you can use an mainstream amd/arm gpu with an arm cpu22:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 24-core ARM Cortex-A53 + 64Gb ram + amd gpu22:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> woaaaa22:36
tgBot<ebetonro> what?22:36
tgBot<ebetonro> where?22:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> in the video22:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> s22:36
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwop47HDtw22:37
tgBot<ebetonro> ohhh didn't watch it yet "file manage app"  needs my love22:37
tgBot<ebetonro> :))22:37
tgBot<popescu_sorin> so in theory we can run unity8?22:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If it can do aarch64 AND armhf, that'd be pretty neat22:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Could they have put it any cheaper micro ATX case, though? I've seen that thing on sale for $2022:38
tgBot<popescu_sorin> AArch32 for full backward compatibility with Armv7 … AArch64 for 64-bit support and new architectural feature22:38
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://developer.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a5322:38
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> nice.22:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> AWESOME!22:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> I NEED TO BUY ALL O F THEM!22:39
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Where do you buy it?22:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> good question :D22:40
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Ok, what happened?  We were growing by like... 10 people per hour and we've stalled at 951.  Come on... what happened? there must be a reason!  I've noticed @mariogrip  has been missing a while... hmm.  innnnnteresting.22:53
tgBot<mariogrip> @wayneoutthere, Me missing :P noo, just been doing some matrix stuff23:04
tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gAWr0pQG/file_1897.jpg23:04
tgBot<Flohack> Incomming/r/Incoming23:05
tgBot<mariogrip> new design, orange is a placeholder for icon23:05
tgBot<mariogrip> @Flohack, oh :P i even fail at the simple texts :P thx23:05
tgBot<Flohack> @mariogrip, hahaha23:05
tgBot<Flohack> Its logical, but incoming is a special one. others duplicate in this way yes23:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, If you need someone to proofread your apps, I'm your man. πŸ™‚23:06
tgBot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, will send them over when im done :)23:07
tgBot<arudy> I have an issue here, i have m10fhd installed via ubports installer during last ubucon at the booth. Now tablet doesnt boot anymore (stuck at bq/ubuntu 1st screen). I was in stable, nothing hacky like write or such. I have rebooted in fastboot, to reinstall, via mdt or ubports installer, nothing detects the tablet (the cable works since i've plugged my e4.5 and it was shown as mounted). So. Yep, any helps welcomed ^^23:07
tgBot<mariogrip> @arudy, does it get detected in "dmesg" as a usb device?23:08
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1563974523:10
tgBot<mariogrip> @arudy, also does it take charge? have it been dropped, or near water?23:10
tgBot<popescu_sorin> give some love to Bero23:10
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, ohohoho!!! I want! would be so awesome to have this as my daily machine, no need to do cross compiling23:11
tgBot<arudy> @mariogrip, I dont think so23:11
tgBot<popescu_sorin> yep :D23:11
tgBot<popescu_sorin> +64 Gb ram + desktop class GPU23:12
tgBot<popescu_sorin> probably AMD, nouveau kinda sucks23:13
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, Yeah he said amd radion in the video23:13
tgBot<Stereofont> @arudy, Do you get a battery charging animation?23:13
tgBot<arudy> When i plug it, it will stick like if i try to boot23:14
tgBot<arudy> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/d0PFKr5g/file_1899.jpg23:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> oh.. radeon sounds old?23:14
tgBot<arudy> @Stereofont, Nope23:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i never had an amd card :D23:14
tgBot<ebetonro> good night gents and ladies23:14
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, I'm sorry23:14
tgBot<Stereofont> @arudy, My dead 4.5 does. The drowned one. Maybe more hopeful for yours23:15
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, Tbf I've never had an AMD CPU, but GPU I have23:15
tgBot<Stereofont> @arudy, Tried a Canonical install with SPflashtool?23:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @PhoenixLandPirate, i had a lot of amd CPUs + nvidia cards23:16
tgBot<arudy> ah now it sow the batterie loading screen23:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @PhoenixLandPirate  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItXpmLsINs&feature=youtu.be&t=30923:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i don't understand what he's saying23:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> when i want to cook, i just put..23:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> at 5:0923:18
tgBot<popescu_sorin> when i want to cook, i just put a pan on top of the laptop and then23:19
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i run..23:19
tgBot<popescu_sorin> make?23:19
tgBot<popescu_sorin> -j3?23:19
tgBot<Stereofont> @arudy, Very long press on the power button sometimes forces boot. Like 15 seconds23:19
tgBot<Stereofont> @Stereofont, If the battery has gone completely flat it may take an hour before it takes any charge23:20
tgBot<Stereofont> @Stereofont, I would be inclined anyway to flash it again, as long as it is charging23:22
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, compiling on all cores so the cpu usesage is 100%23:29
tgBot<vanyasem> what toolset do you use for creating apps?23:31
tgBot<vanyasem> i am interested in the entire start: IDE (language) and UI designer23:31
tgBot<arudy> @Stereofont, Yesterday i'l sure it was at 14%, now at 4%, so i supose ill wait before trying somehing23:31
tgBot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, was that Qt Creator or something?23:32
tgBot<vanyasem> i want to play with it tomorrow23:32
tgBot<vanyasem> im an Android Developer so that's a bit weird for me23:32
tgBot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, you can use the Ubuntu IDE or use your own and use clickable23:33
tgBot<mariogrip> https://github.com/bhdouglass/clickable23:33
tgBot<vanyasem> i know about clickable, im more interested in what you actually use as an ide23:35
tgBot<Stereofont> @arudy, Yes maybe letting the battery go completely dead before charging again will deal with the hang23:35
tgBot<Stereofont> @Stereofont, Back in the day you would have taken the battery out at this point23:36
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @vanyasem, You can use whatever you want, there are no particular requirements. I for example use Geany or KDevelop if I am alredy using Geany for something else23:37
tgBot<mariogrip> I use atom23:38
tgBot<vanyasem> and what language is used?23:38
tgBot<vanyasem> QML?23:38
tgBot<mariogrip> QML, Javascript for the main ui23:39
tgBot<mariogrip> c++, go or python for backend23:39
tgBot<mariogrip> I use c++ for all my stuff23:39
tgBot<mariogrip> (you don't need a backend)23:40
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> Or, if you go hacky, anything since is just an ubuntu system after all.23:41
tgBot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, can you use C?23:42
tgBot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, for the OS parts yes, just send a pr and it will automagicly build a deb for you23:43
tgBot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, huh?23:43
tgBot<mariogrip> for the apps, it does not handle clicks just yes23:43
tgBot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, huh?[1]23:43
tgBot<mariogrip> os parts, like system-settings, mir etc... eveything thats not an "outside app" and that uses click23:44
tgBot<vanyasem> so basically C doesn't work with clicks23:44
tgBot<vanyasem> right?23:44
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> The problem is that C doesn't have direct binds to the ut API23:45
tgBot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, what does that mean? PR where?23:45
tgBot<vanyasem> @TronFortyTwo, oh i see23:45
tgBot<mariogrip> i completly read your question wrong...23:45
tgBot<mariogrip> i was answering for ci, not c :P23:45
tgBot<mariogrip> sorry23:45
tgBot<vanyasem> oh :P23:46
tgBot<vanyasem> but continue23:46
tgBot<vanyasem> i got interested23:46
tgBot<mariogrip> to answer you question, you can use `extern "C" ` but there is not any qt api for only c23:46
tgBot<vanyasem> how do i quene building something for me?23:46
tgBot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, for ubports OS parts you can send a pull request on github and the ci will build a deb for you23:48
tgBot<vanyasem> okay, thank you :P23:48
tgBot<mariogrip> (im getting tirred, i cannot even read :P hahah)23:48
tgBot<vanyasem> same23:48
tgBot<vanyasem> i have to wake up in 5 hours23:48
tgBot<mariogrip> oh god... `sudo sleep ivan`23:49
tgBot<vanyasem> error: `Ivan: I never sleep`23:49
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I fix the fairphone23:49
tgBot<vanyasem> not a member of group `sleep`23:49
tgBot<mariogrip> well i didn't type my password, how did sudo work23:50
tgBot<vanyasem> had it authenticated before :P23:50
tgBot<vanyasem> used it to order Monster a few minutes ago23:51

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