[05:24] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[07:27] <ducasse> good morning
[07:55] <jink> I doubt that.  It's Monday.
[08:02] <ducasse> jink: ...and it starts with a bloody cross-poster ;)
[08:02] <jink> Heh.
[10:56] <EriC^^> can we try removing the "+r" on the channel?
[12:08] <jink> EriC^^: Why would you want that? O__o
[12:12] <EriC^^> so more people join
[12:12] <EriC^^> the channel's dead
[12:13] <jink> It's dead because it's dead.  People that want support will have to register.  The only thing that'll happen when you remove +r is an extra spam and idiots.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:36] <Ben64> themes never work right in ubuntu :(
[15:51] <ChileStuff> Greetings denizens
[15:51] <ChileStuff> Anyone alive?
[15:52] <nacc> ChileStuff: we're pretty async here, just talk adn people respond if they're around
[15:52] <BluesKaj> we're alive, but a lot aren't here
[15:52] <ChileStuff> Well my question is relatively simple, (I hope) ...
[15:54] <ChileStuff> I am playing with version 17 someting, and I can log in to my home connection, but the only way out is to disable or turn off my wireless ... is there any way to just simply disconnect from the internet?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> this isn't really a support channel, mostly it's a discussion chat, #ubuntu chat is your best bet
[15:55] <ducasse> this (still) isn't a support channel
[15:55] <ChileStuff> (If I turn off wi-fi other devices are effected and I don't want my puter connected 24/7)
[15:55] <ChileStuff> Yeah well I regged the other day but I can't get in
[15:55] <ChileStuff> Surely someone can answer
[15:55] <nacc> ChileStuff: you have to identify every time you join th eserver
[15:56] <ChileStuff> *sigh*
[15:56] <ChileStuff> I'm new to this
[15:56] <ChileStuff> Can I script the ident?
[15:56] <ducasse> use sasl
[15:57] <ChileStuff> Nevermind, I'm short on time
[15:57] <ChileStuff> Can someone *please* just tell me how to simply disconnect?
[15:57] <ChileStuff> Or if it's possible
[15:58] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: define "log in"
[15:59] <ChileStuff> Well, in winblows, I click on the internet access connection and then I can do web stuff. When I'm done I click on it and tell it to disconnect
[16:00] <ChileStuff> Sorry, I don't have the right terminology
[16:00] <TJ-> ChileStuff: disconnect wifi from the home router? use the network manager taskbar applet, press the "disconnect" link under the name of the wifi SSID
[16:00] <ChileStuff> Um ... where is the located?
[16:00] <TJ-> ChileStuff: depending on the desktop environment, it's an icon in the taskbar.
[16:00] <ChileStuff> hmm
[16:01] <ChileStuff> Ok, then I did something wrong
[16:01] <ChileStuff> The icon I click on to connect?
[16:01] <ChileStuff> Or is it elsewhere?
[16:02] <TJ-> ChileStuff: I've never seen an icon that is clicked to connect! Usually the WiFi auto-connects after you've provided the credentials once
[16:03] <ChileStuff> Yeah that's the problem. I told it not to autoconnect because I want to control when I connect. But once I do, I can't DISconnect
[16:04] <ChileStuff> Well by icon I mean the thing you click on to bring up your network connections
[16:07] <ChileStuff> Look, I'm way out in the boonies and all I have is dialup. I can't connect my firestick and my computer at the same time without seriousl lag on both
[16:07] <TJ-> ChileStuff: the nmapplet icon when pressed shows a sub-menu listing all the network connections. When a Wifi connection is active there should be a "disconnect" option directly beneath that connection which when pressed will disconncet
[16:08] <ChileStuff> Ahh, that's the problem ... "should"  :/
[16:08] <TJ-> ChileStuff: what release of Ubuntu is it? which desktop enviroment?
[16:08] <ChileStuff> The only option available when connected is "turn off wi-fi" ... which disables everything
[16:09] <ChileStuff> The 17 something ... latest available, Gnome I think, but I have loaded it litterally 3 times, and have only windows before that
[16:09] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: when would you disconnect from the internet but not wifi?
[16:10] <TJ-> ChileStuff: does that menu list your Wifi router's SSID?
[16:10] <leftyfb> (assuming wifi is your router)
[16:10] <TJ-> ChileStuff: you'll only see 'disconnect' if the connection is there and connected
[16:10] <ChileStuff> Well I need wi-fi for the stick to work ... if I turn it off nothing can connect
[16:10] <ChileStuff> I'm probably looking in the wrong place
[16:10] <leftyfb> the stick?
[16:11] <ChileStuff> Amazon Firestick
[16:11] <leftyfb> what does the firestick have to do with turning off wifi on your computer?
[16:12] <ChileStuff> It don't, but if I turn off wi-fi, the firestick can't connect to the internet, which is how it brings in content
[16:12] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: turn off wifi on your computer, not your router
[16:12] <leftyfb> to disconnect from the internet
[16:13] <ChileStuff> Well that seems to be my problem. I don't see anything that seperates puter wi-fi from router wi-fi
[16:14] <leftyfb> :/
[16:14] <ChileStuff> I only see one thing that says "turn off", and that disables the router
[16:14] <TJ-> ChileStuff: Why are you looking at the router's web interface?
[16:14] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: the network icon in ubuntu at the top-right.
[16:14] <ChileStuff> Are you familiar with "Murphy's Law"?
[16:14] <ChileStuff> Yes that's the one I use
[16:15] <TJ-> ChileStuff: is your PC acting as the network router!?
[16:15] <ChileStuff> Murphy has nothing on Barker's Law ... Even if it defies the laws of physics, where I'm involved, it's gonna find a way  :/
[16:16] <TJ-> ChileStuff: you mentioned dial-up. Are you using the Ubuntu PC to connect over a modem connection to your ISP, and having the Ubuntu PC share the connection with other devices via it's Wifi, so the Ubuntu PC is acting as a WiFi access point?
[16:16] <ChileStuff> No I have a router box sitting on the entertainmet  center
[16:16] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: then disabling wifi on your pc has nothing to do with wifi on the router which connects to your firetv stick or anything other devices
[16:16] <ChileStuff> No not dialup ... DSL ... sorta high speed but over a phone line
[16:17] <TJ-> ChileStuff: in which case the things you're telling us make no sense
[16:17] <ChileStuff> My point exactly  :P
[16:17] <nacc> ChileStuff: ok, so at this point, this is nothinng to do with Ubuntu, and is probably general IT support
[16:17] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: disabling wifi on your pc has nothing to do with wifi on the router which connects to your firetv stick or any other devices
[16:17] <nacc> ChileStuff: offtopic for here, for sure :)
[16:17] <ChileStuff> It shouldn't be, but the facts are inescapable
[16:18] <TJ-> So, you have an xDSL connection from your ISP terminating in a wireless router?
[16:18] <ChileStuff> Yeah I guess I'll have to get to work and deal with it later
[16:18] <ChileStuff> I appreciate all the effort to help
[16:18] <leftyfb> :/
[16:19] <ChileStuff> My router is plugged in to a phone line, the wireless is between it and my puter
[16:19] <ChileStuff> But for some reason when I say "turn off" wi-fi, it disables any access to the internet by anything trying to connect to the router
[16:20] <ChileStuff> Barker's Law  :/
[16:21] <ChileStuff> Well, thanks for trying
[16:21] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: that's not how it works .... if you turn off wifi on your pc, it will not affect wifi on the router connecting to other devices
[16:21]  * ChileStuff points to Barker's Law
[16:21] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: please stop with that
[16:22] <ChileStuff> It's not the way it's *supposed* to work, but somehow I porked it up good
[16:22] <ChileStuff> Whit what?
[16:22] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: do you have a smart phone?
[16:22] <ChileStuff> sure
[16:22] <leftyfb> does it connect to the wifi on your router?
[16:22] <ChileStuff> Never tried .. no need
[16:23] <leftyfb> it's called troubleshooting
[16:23] <ChileStuff> ok, got that
[16:23] <ChileStuff> I'll give that a run next time I load Ubuntu
[16:23] <leftyfb> turn your computer off and connect your phone to wifi. If/when it connects, then you have proven that all is right with the world
[16:23] <BluesKaj> also saving data charges
[16:24] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: if you do not see the wifi with your smart phone, then you are not running wifi on your router, but instead are running it on your computer
[16:24] <ChileStuff> Question is, if it does connect, what does that say if the firestick still drops off?
[16:24] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: not the concern right now
[16:24] <ChileStuff> ahh
[16:25] <ChileStuff> gotcha
[16:25] <TJ-> is the Ubuntu PC connected to the router over wireless, or with a wire?
[16:26] <ChileStuff> Yes I do see the wi-fi connection
[16:26] <ChileStuff> wireless
[16:26] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: are you running this IRC client on your ubuntu PC?
[16:27] <ChileStuff> No, I had to go back to winblows
[16:27] <ChileStuff> But I plan to set it up for my next session
[16:27]  * TJ- wonders if the router is in bridge mode and the PC is doing PPPoEoA authentication to the ISP
[16:27] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: first, I told you to turn off the pc. 2nd, if you want to troubleshoot ubuntu, you should be running ubuntu
[16:27] <ChileStuff> Would help if I could play with it while getting advice  :)
[16:27] <leftyfb> TJ-: yep
[16:28] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: did you have to setup ppp/authentication in your network settings on your ubuntu pc?
[16:28] <ChileStuff> Ok, we just switched to a foreign language
[16:28] <TJ-> Sounds like you need to find someone local to come in and sort it out
[16:28] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: did you have to setup the internet connection on your ubuntu pc? Beyond just clicking the wifi name and typing a wifi password?
[16:28] <ChileStuff> Let me set IRC up in Ubuntu and then we'll talk again ... and next time I'll do it in the right channel  :)
[16:29] <ChileStuff> No, Ubuntu sees my wireless connection without any setup
[16:29] <leftyfb> ChileStuff: if you disable wifi on windows, does your firetv stick disconnect from the internet?
[16:29] <ChileStuff> Dunno, but I'll test that too
[16:30] <ChileStuff> Have to get to work ... thanks for the help
[16:31] <leftyfb> that wasn't fun
[16:32] <TJ-> I thought it was April 1st
[16:32] <kostkon> Firefox 47..
[16:33] <kostkon> that's funny though ^^
[16:33] <TJ-> In other news... what are we going to do now that Intel is combining an AMD Radeon GPU into their notebook chip package!? It's going to make figuring out drivers rather interesting!
[16:34] <leftyfb> they should have just bought Nvidia
[16:34] <kostkon> per this piece? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/intel-announce-a-new-cpu-with-amd-graphics-and-hbm2-memory.10667
[16:35] <TJ-> Yes, for ultra-light notebooks, to give some oomph on the graphics side
[16:35] <TJ-> at last we'll be free from the horrors of optmius/prime slow/fast GPU pairing
[16:36] <TJ-> this: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-processor-combine-high-performance-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/
[16:36] <kostkon> i wonder which discrete chip they're talking about though
[16:40] <TJ-> I'd assume it'll be based on the Vega architecture
[16:40] <nicomachus> TJ-: we're gonna do what we always do. Wing it.
[16:41] <TJ-> nicomachus: it'll make things much easier. Intel will supply the drivers, but it'll be mostly AMD code. I would guess Intel will add the knobs and dials to control the power effecifiently.
[16:42] <TJ-> The Vega arch is designed to use HBM2 and that's what Intel says is in the new chip - CPU + GPU + HMB2
[16:43] <TJ-> I've just enabled 256-colours in my login terminal (tmux) and it's made reading source-code in vim so much easier!
[17:32] <BluesKaj> ducasse, thanks for the ifupdown tip, /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf settings now control my internet connection again :-)
[17:33] <daftykins> \o/ purge the automagic rubbish!
[17:33] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, yup
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I'm away from systemd control to some degree as well
[17:39] <daftykins> hehe, i've still not had to fight it
[17:42] <TJ-> It's easy!
[17:42] <TJ-> I think it's more logical than ifupdown for sure
[17:42] <BluesKaj> ok time to test the vpn connection ..bbiab
[17:46] <BluesKaj> old school setup works well
[17:52] <TJ-> I've found systemd-networkd is easier to configure than ifupdown
[17:53] <TJ-> [Match] Name=enp3s0  [Network] Address=10.254.1.200/24
[18:00] <BluesKaj> TJ-, which networkd file do you edit to setup your networking, not that I'll do the same but I'm curious
[18:01] <TJ-> BluesKaj: here's an example of a 4xNIC bond + a VLAN on a separate NIC (from one of my servers) http://paste.ubuntu.com/25904382/
[18:02] <TJ-> for the VLAN the two files enp9s0.99.* ... if it weren't VLAN it'd only need enp9.s0.network with [Match] Name=enp9s0 [Network] Address=10.254.0.201/24
[18:04] <TJ-> Notice LAN_Aggregate.network sets a Gateway= and DNS= as well
[18:06] <TJ-> On there, the vlan99 is the management VLAN and has no external access; the bond0 interface is on the Internet-connected VLAN (which is set in the switch ports so no VLAN tagging needed on the server itself)
[18:08] <BluesKaj> I just setup /etc/network/interfaces with static ip, gateway, address, and dnsmasq . seems my dns setting in /etc/resolv.conf  were overwritten so my router settings did the job there
[18:10] <BluesKaj> going to reboot to make sure
[18:17] <BluesKaj> ok, resolv.conf gets overwritten, but it's immaterial since my interfaes file and router dns optional settings do the job
[18:18] <BluesKaj> anyway, time to go, stuff to do
[18:22] <daftykins> heh
[18:23] <daftykins> we shall have to educate on the ways of resolvconf murdering
[18:24] <TJ-> /etc/resolv.conf is usually a symlink to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf which is updated by either Network Manager or systemd-resolvd
[18:36] <nacc> tgm4883: s/upgrade/change professions and maybe hire a lawyer/ :)
[18:37] <tgm4883> nacc: seriously
[18:37] <nacc> IANAL, but there are some pretty serious legal ramifications, I would imagine, to claiming to be securing a client's banking information and then ... not doing so.
[18:41]  * nacc imagines this conversationn is going to get worse before it gets better
[18:45]  * oerheks installs Hardy
[18:45] <oerheks> :-D
[18:45] <TJ-> I don't see how it/he/they can pass the PCI-DSS checks
[18:45] <nacc> TJ-: they can't, I don't thikn
[18:45] <TJ-> After ChileStuff earlier, my troll detector is firing again now though
[19:02] <TJ-> I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or go for a 10km run!
[19:05] <nacc> my client can't afford downtime
[19:05] <nacc> but they *can* afford to be on a 4-year EOL release??
[19:05] <daftykins> i'd like to be able to handle 10km :P
[19:05] <TJ-> it's a troll,
[19:06] <nacc> TJ-: must ber
[19:06] <TJ-> why he's not been kicked yet I don't know! you told me off for 5 lines of off-topic a week ago when the channel was dead!
[19:07] <nacc> heh
[19:07] <oerheks> good night for trolls, it is getting colder outside?
[19:07] <nicomachus> dax flexed but no kick :/
[19:08] <oerheks> rww would not do that..
[19:09] <TJ-> oerheks: does "Ander Hotwek"  sound like a name or something to you? It sounds Belgium/Netherlands or similar
[19:10] <JanC> doesn't look Dutch to me  :)
[19:10] <TJ-> Maybe further east, if it is in fact a name
[19:11] <TJ-> the connection was from an xDSL line in the UK
[19:12] <dax> nicomachus: correct, i chose to quiet them instead of removing them from the channel :P
[19:14] <dax> generally better if they're not being a problem in PM, lets them figure out what the point of the channel actually is
[19:14] <oerheks> ander is, hotwek not
[19:15] <dax> not sure it'd make much difference either way in this case, and they left themselves anyway
[19:15]  * oerheks killing a sausage & crushing cauliflower + potatoes
[19:17] <TJ-> oerheks: make sure the Piglets don't get you :)
[19:30] <nicomachus> dax: ah, I saw -q not +q
[19:31] <nicomachus> now I see that it was +q
[19:31] <nicomachus> whoops!
[20:47] <leftyfb> troll alert <Delimia>