[01:38] <dax> @comment 77473 repeated idling despite being told to cut it out, 30d
[10:18] <bazhang> want to load amdgpu at boot? is that even feasible
[10:18] <bazhang> ie before xorg, waylan or what have you
[11:42] <ReedK2> ikonia wanted me to file a complaint about himself for him.
[11:42] <ReedK2> He's upset because he lied to me about something and refused to be clear and then became so upset as to ban me.
[11:42] <ReedK2> I don't really care, but he insisted that I submit his complaint for him.
[11:43] <ReedK2> Have a nice day.  I have a lot of respect for all of you.  ikonia, I also respect.  I think you should not be bothered by his misdeed.  He has a grudge against me because I have exposed his ignorance a few times.
[11:43] <ReedK2> He isn't used to being wrong.
[11:45] <ReedK2> I'm sorry if this comes off as a waste of time.... ikonia always says everything is a waste of time.  But I try not to think that I'm pestering people when it appears they are only pestering themselves by insisting on doing something that is wrong.
[11:45] <ReedK2> Good people aren't pestered easily.
[11:45]  * ReedK2 idle 3 hours.
[11:49] <ikonia> ReedK2: please stop telling lies
[11:49] <ikonia> I've said nothing of the sort
[11:49] <ikonia> you can either a.) discuss your ban as I've invited you to do b.) leave
[11:49] <ikonia> pick
[11:49] <ReedK2> My assumption is that you banned me for other reasons because the reasons you gave don't follow logic.
[11:50] <ikonia> I've explained why I banned you
[11:50] <ReedK2> Nothing I've said is untrue.
[11:50] <ReedK2> Then you must have not been clear, ikonia.  You're serially unclear.
[11:50] <ikonia> I'll be happy to do so again if required
[11:50] <ikonia> would you like me to explain again ?
[11:50] <ReedK2> You mean you'd be happy to do so for the first time?
[11:50] <ikonia> "sure" if you want
[11:50] <ReedK2> I wonder if it will be different from before.  hmm.
[11:51] <ikonia> how can it be different from before - you've just said this is the first time ?
[11:51] <ReedK2> Let's say "the first time" if it makes sense, and "the second time" if it's illogical.
[11:51] <ikonia> ok - I'm not going to play these silly games
[11:51] <ikonia> I'll leave you to another operator
[11:51] <ReedK2> The silly came called logic. Hmm....
[11:51] <ikonia> the bottom line is you've only just been unbanned for not listening and being offtopic - you calmed down and we removed the ban
[11:51] <ReedK2> No wonder you don't get along with people.
[11:52] <ReedK2> Usually when someone is illogical, nobody gets along with them very well.
[11:52] <ReedK2> Logic is what societies use to prevent themselves from having long arguments.
[11:52] <ikonia> you've come in asking software development questions, where given help and pointed to the correct place to get help
[11:52] <ikonia> you then picked a fight saying I'd personally made up non-existant phrases liked "build enviornment"
[11:52] <ikonia> and then started calling me a liar
[11:52] <ikonia> I've banned you
[11:52] <ReedK2> ikonia, you told me to go "somewhere else"....
[11:52] <ikonia> you've since ranted in ##linux about this and #web as well as sending me a lot of personal abuse
[11:53] <ikonia> I'll leave you to discuss this with someone else
[11:53] <ReedK2> to discuss a word that you made up, which is a homonym and homograph for another word, apparently....
[11:53] <ReedK2> You sent me on a nonsense chore.
[11:54] <ReedK2> ikonia, do you feel abused?
[11:54] <ReedK2> Was it abusive to ask you to clarify what you were saying?
[11:54] <ikonia> no, you just sent me abusive messages
[11:54] <ReedK2> Or was it abusive to give you another person's definition (which you said was incorrect)?
[11:55] <ReedK2> Or my definition (which you said was incorrect)?
[11:55] <ikonia> I didn't say it was incorrect
[11:55] <ReedK2> Or to explain to you that I had searched the internet and only come up with fuzzy definitions (which you said was incorrect)?
[11:55] <ReedK2> Yes you did.
[11:55] <ikonia> I didn't say it was incorrect
[11:55] <ikonia> !logs
[11:55] <ReedK2> Back to the lies.
[11:55] <ikonia> I suggest you read the logs
[11:55] <ReedK2> Now who's playing a game?
[11:55] <ikonia> no-one
[11:56] <ReedK2> Did you say the definitions were correct?
[11:56] <ikonia> no
[11:56] <ReedK2> Did you say I didn't need to do the chore because I had the correct definition?
[11:56] <ReedK2> Or did you say: "That's not what it is?"
[11:56] <ikonia> I said none of that
[11:56] <ikonia> again, read the logs
[11:57] <ReedK2> ikonia, you know waht you said.
[11:57] <ReedK2> There's no need to get into logs.
[11:57] <ikonia> I do
[11:57] <ReedK2> Good.
[11:57] <ReedK2> Then we agree.
[11:57] <ikonia> thats why I said read the los
[11:57] <ikonia> logs
[11:57] <ReedK2> Why don't you paste the line you're referring to?
[11:57] <ikonia> what lines ?
[11:57] <ReedK2> Where you said that the definition was correct.
[11:57] <ikonia> I didn't say that either
[11:57] <ReedK2> Ohhhhh ohhhhh.  okay....
[11:58] <ReedK2> right, you banned me instead.
[11:58] <ReedK2> after re-stating your suggestion.
[11:58] <ikonia> ??
[11:58] <ReedK2> and yet somehow you want to twist that to not mean the definitions weren't correct and the chore wasn't unnecessary
[11:58] <ikonia> I'm really sorry, I don't actually know what you're talking about now
[11:59] <ikonia> honestly, I don't know what you're talking about
[11:59] <ReedK2> That's why I mention the logical flaw.
[11:59] <ReedK2> If I told you to go feed the dog...
[11:59] <ReedK2> And then you said: "The dog has already been fed."
[11:59] <ReedK2> And I said: "Go feed the dog."
[11:59] <ikonia> I don't know what you're talking about logical flaws or things like that
[11:59] <ReedK2> Then the logic suggests I don't believe the dog was fed.
[11:59] <ReedK2> And that your statement, "The dog has been fed," is either wrong or incomplete.
[11:59] <ikonia> I just told you - you need to get basic development help and understand your build environment
[11:59] <ReedK2> what's a build environment
[12:00]  * ReedK2 braces himself to be banned
[12:00] <ReedK2> I should leave so I don't get banned.
[12:00] <ikonia> a build environment is the setup that you use to build your software
[12:00] <ikonia> as explained to you
[12:00] <ikonia> it's personal to you
[12:00] <ReedK2> I told you: "I'm LEARNING c, gtk, and bash."
[12:00] <ikonia> yes, they are programming languages and a shell script
[12:00] <ReedK2> I can't fast-forward learning, ikonia .
[12:01] <ikonia> they are not a build environment
[12:01] <ReedK2> YOu want to ban me from #ubuntu because I'm learning.
[12:01] <ReedK2> And because I'm a beginner.
[12:01] <ikonia> no-one expects you to, this is why I told you to get basic development help and understand your build environment
[12:01] <ikonia> because you are learning
[12:01] <ReedK2> You dno't want me to come back until after I've learned for another year or several years
[12:01] <ikonia> no, I don't want you to use #ubuntu for programming help
[12:01] <ReedK2> "go learn about your build environment.  don't ask here."
[12:01] <ikonia> which is why I told you to join a programming/development channel
[12:01] <ReedK2> I just asked if anyone had used gtk....
[12:02] <ikonia> no you didn't
[12:02] <ReedK2> yeah i did
[12:02] <ReedK2> that's when you started attacking me with your troll bans
[12:02] <ikonia> you asked for help compiling gtk software because of missing header
[12:02] <ReedK2> "I have to find a reason to ban this guy."
[12:02] <ikonia> and didn't understand (which is fine) that #include is not a file path
[12:02] <ReedK2> 11 hours, I was at #ubuntu, everyone was having fun...
[12:02] <ReedK2> everyone was enjoying each other, having friendly chat...
[12:02] <ikonia> hence why I requested you join a software development channel
[12:02] <ReedK2> you come online... 5 minutes you want to ban
[12:02] <ReedK2> you're sadistic.
[12:03] <ReedK2> all i did was ask you to clarify
[12:03] <ikonia> ReedK2: I'd been online for many hours, just not talking, I only started talking when you started referencing software development help
[12:03] <ReedK2> if you had a problem with me asking about gtk, then you would have banned me back then.
[12:03] <ReedK2> you had a problem with me exposing you
[12:03] <ikonia> to which I helped you, advised you and requested you join the right channel
[12:03] <ReedK2> oh, yeh.  okay.  i concede.  YOu're SO helpful, man.
[12:03] <ikonia> this is the attitude that causes a problem
[12:03] <ReedK2> SO helpful that you refuse to be clear, and you indirectly call correct definitions incorrect.
[12:04] <ikonia> please re-read the logs,
[12:04] <ReedK2> ikonia, seriously, I concede.
[12:04] <ReedK2> I'm doing my best to just accept your world view....
[12:04] <ReedK2> YOu're extremely helpful.  thank you for referring me to "some other place"
[12:04] <ReedK2> thank you for banning me, man.  nothing could have been more helpful
[12:04] <ReedK2> okay, so now it's my attitude?  Okay.  then my attitude got me banned.
[12:05] <ikonia> now you're being silly again
[12:05] <ReedK2> You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a dog trainer to my house, and I'm going to ask if he can work with humans, too.  I can get an attitude adjustment.
[12:05] <ReedK2> The world's a silly place.  Maybe a little levity will make it easier to chat.
[12:05] <ikonia> like when you where sending me messages about "I'm your father figure" and all this after saying "fuck off" to me - or words to that effect
[12:05] <ikonia> so I'm not really interested
[12:05] <ReedK2> that's incorrect.  i was quoting you.
[12:06] <ReedK2> I said: "I respect you very much because you have a lot of wisdom.  You're like a father figure to me.  But you're basically telling me to fuck off."
[12:06] <ReedK2> Probably English is your second language, and that's where all the miscommunications come from.
[12:06] <ikonia> English is my first language
[12:06] <ReedK2> It's very possible that you don't even know what you're implying.
[12:06] <ikonia> hence why I understood the context you where giving to me
[12:06] <ReedK2> Well, a lot of Native English speakers aren't very good at English.  I think the average reading level is 8th grade in the US.
[12:07] <ikonia> well as you told me, while I'm in a channel with you, I'll never be the smartest person in the channel
[12:07] <ReedK2> Usually, people who are very good at English are also very clear and concise and don't use a lot of needless phrases.
[12:07] <ikonia> I'm not really interesteed in your English language dicussion to be honest
[12:07] <ikonia> I'm just interested in your behaviour in #ubuntu
[12:07] <ReedK2> That's because I ask multiple sources, ikonia....
[12:08] <ReedK2> I don't just believe whatever I'm told.
[12:08] <ReedK2> So if you lie to me, I might find out by fact checking.
[12:08] <ikonia> and as you've told me you're not interested / bothered about being in #ubuntu any more
[12:08] <ikonia> so I'm not sure what oyu actually want
[12:08] <ikonia> other than to cause yet another re-play of this whole discussion after you've done it on other channels already
[12:08] <ReedK2> ikonia, you asked me to file a complaint about you for you.  Your behavior is the issue.
[12:08] <ikonia> no I didn't
[12:08] <ikonia> I told you this is the channel to come to if you wanted to discuss your ban
[12:08] <ReedK2> "if you want to complain, you can do it at #ubuntu-ops"
[12:09] <ReedK2> well, I think you said a lot of stuff while you were mad and forgot.
[12:09] <ikonia> yes, after you've been complaining in the ##linux and #web channels about it
[12:09] <ikonia> !complaint | ReedK2
[12:09] <ikonia> !appeal | ReedK2
[12:09] <ikonia> sorry - wrong bot factoid
[12:09] <ReedK2> ikonia, I complained about the ubuntu community, not about you specifically.
[12:09] <ReedK2> At #linux
[12:10] <ReedK2> then you came in and said: "Hey!  Don't talk about me."
[12:10] <ikonia> ReedK2: you didn't you referenced me spefcially
[12:10] <ReedK2> And in #web, they asked why I asked what a build environment was...
[12:10] <ikonia> I really don't want to go over this again, as it's just getting petty
[12:10] <ReedK2> and I said: "Because I wanted to verify that I was lied to."
[12:10] <ikonia> ReedK2: no - you asked while complainign you'd been banned
[12:10] <ReedK2> and then you went guerilla-balls in that channel, too.
[12:10] <ReedK2> i asked before being banned adn posted the quote with #web attached in your "logs"
[12:11] <ikonia> ReedK2: no I didn't
[12:11] <ReedK2> and you said their definition was not correct.
[12:11] <ikonia> this is pointless
[12:11] <ReedK2> I didn't bring your name up, ikonia.  I just answerd their question
[12:11] <ikonia> either follow the appeals process,or don't
[12:11] <ReedK2> I feel you lied to me.
[12:11] <ReedK2> Several times.
[12:11] <ikonia> ReedK2: you didn't bring up me name but you said "the operator who banned me"
[12:11] <ReedK2> You could have validated what I was saying....
[12:11] <ikonia> enough
[12:11] <ikonia> this is a waste of time
[12:12] <ReedK2> But instead you chose to insist that I do an inane chore.
[12:12] <ikonia> follow the appeals process, this conversation shows how much of a waste of time it is
[12:12] <ReedK2> And when I followed your inane chore, you got mad.
[12:12] <ikonia> if another operator wants to pick it up with you, they can do so, I'd give it 15 minutes to see if they do, if not follow the appeals process
[12:12] <ReedK2> Yeah, it's a waste of time because you're very insistent....
[12:12] <ReedK2> You should try saying this: "You're right, ReedK2."
[12:12] <ReedK2> Not because you believe it, but as a hypothetical process.
[12:12] <ReedK2> To help you think.
[12:13] <ReedK2> ikonia, because you're an op at #ubuntu, and you have harassed me several times....
[12:13] <ReedK2> And also because I'm not banned right now....
[12:13] <ReedK2> There's no point in appealing.
[12:13] <ikonia> you are banned
[12:13] <ReedK2> well, there's still no point for the first reason
[12:13] <ReedK2> i can't get angry, and you are malicious
[12:14] <ReedK2> malicious people make others angry.
[12:14] <ReedK2> even if i get unbanned, you'll repeat the abusive behavior
[12:14] <ikonia> I don't know what you're talking about, please discuss it with one of the other operator teams members
[12:14] <ReedK2> and that's not healthy.
[12:14] <ReedK2> i'm talking about giving me a senseless chore
[12:14] <ReedK2> then adulterating my education with lies
[12:14] <ReedK2> then yelling at me in 2 other channels and in private chat
[12:14] <ikonia> I gave you no chore, and no lies
[12:14] <ReedK2> when you're an op. you're supposed to be someone people respect.
[12:15] <ReedK2> you're supposed to be an example
[12:15] <ReedK2> this isn't an example of mature behavior, man.
[12:15] <ikonia> I've not yelled at you anywhere, I've told you to join #ubuntu-ops to discuss your ban not use the other channels as a ranting place
[12:15] <ikonia> I've got the conversations logged if you want
[12:15] <ReedK2> that ban?  it was stupid and senseless
[12:15] <ReedK2> it's a last resort
[12:15] <ReedK2> you should ban people when you have no other options
[12:15] <ReedK2> you could have been clear.
[12:15] <ikonia> please discuss the ban with another operator, and I'll make the logs public to them too
[12:15] <ReedK2> you could have validated me.
[12:15] <ReedK2> you could have tried to be a little nicer
[12:15] <ReedK2> you could have done a lot of thigns.
[12:15] <ReedK2> but you wanted to do something illogical
[12:15] <ikonia> ReedK2: to be clear - I'll not discuss this any more with you
[12:16] <ReedK2> unreasonable
[12:16] <ReedK2> yeah i know, run away
[12:16] <ReedK2> like always
[12:16] <ReedK2> do something bad, run away, try to convince yourself it was right
[12:16] <ReedK2> dude you were wrong
[12:16] <ikonia> I'll leave it 15 minutes for you to engage with another operator, if not, I'll remove you from the channel inline with our noidle policy
[12:16] <ReedK2> it's not a big deal to admit you were wrong
[12:16] <ikonia> you are welcome to follow the appeals process I gave you earlier
[12:16] <ReedK2> i can admit i was wrong
[12:16] <ReedK2> look
[12:16] <ReedK2> I WAS WRONG!!!!
[12:16] <ReedK2> see?
[12:16] <ReedK2> no big deal
[12:16] <ikonia> @mark ReedK2 #ubuntu-ops 15 minute marker to engage with operator team
[12:17] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops reedk2  15 minute marker to engage with operator team
[12:17] <ReedK2> my turtle died when I was 12 because I didn't get to the pet store fast enough
[12:17] <ReedK2> I WAS WRONG!
[12:17] <ReedK2> happy?
[12:17] <ReedK2> your turn.
[12:17] <ReedK2> you lied about a definition more than 3 times
[12:17] <ReedK2> then you banned someone because you didn't want to correct yourself
[12:17] <ReedK2> and then you went and did personal attacks to that person, who hadn't said your name, on two other venues.
[12:17] <ReedK2> you were wrong.
[12:17] <ReedK2> simple
[12:18] <ReedK2> I didn't even anticipate the ban, bro.  Completely shocked.
[12:18] <ReedK2> just typical angry ikonia being way over-the-top with authority.
[12:19] <ReedK2> Let me explain how things usually work on IRC, ikonia ....  First of all, people look for the info using a search engine; however, some channels don't require that step because some users can't access search engines...
[12:19] <ReedK2> At that stage, people also look in reference manuals, talk to their teachers, go to other resources as much as possible....
[12:19] <ReedK2> then they put a question up like: "What's a build environment, since you brought it up?"
[12:20] <ReedK2> At that stage, either the question is ignored, or it's picked up.
[12:20] <ReedK2> You picked up the thread, probably because you started it....
[12:20] <ikonia> ReedK2: I've muted you - either a.) engage with another operator in the channel without a monologue b.) leave the channel and continue about your day c.) follow the appeals process
[12:21] <ikonia> I'll remove the mute in a moment
[12:21] <ikonia> then you can decide which option you wish to follow
[12:21] <ikonia> mute removed
[12:21] <ReedK2> ikonia, I spent 20 minutes doing what you asked....
[12:22] <ReedK2> Nobody cares.  you're the only op at #ubuntu.
[12:22] <ReedK2> probably they're all avoiding you
[12:22] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops ReedK2 while playing the -ops game is sending me pm's calling me a coward and other things
[12:22] <ikonia> ReedK2: please pick your option - no more discussion
[12:22] <ReedK2> you're really a frustrating, annoying person.  you get carried away with authority