 @mariogrip, nice!
 @ebetonro, good night and thanks for all your translation work in the new UBLangs team!
 @UniversalSuperBox, you said it wrong.  It's "I fix the fairphonnnnne"
 @wayneoutthere, Dalton can confirm this
 lol
 i'm on 16.04 but apparently changing channels on 15.04 doesn't quit work as it should
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/294#issuecomment-342285023
 scroll down
 bacon is OPO i think
 yeah.  bacon = opo
 Uncle Joe taught me that on the audiocast
 :))
 Mako is N4, Hammerhead is N5
 Turbo is the Pro 5
 got it :D
 I uh... Don't know the rest
 To Turbo there is 16.04?
 Maybe
 Not yet
 👍
 this should be a skill testing question
 I say OPO and you say 'bacon' back
 OPO
 Hammerhead
 just swa you guys know, I am STILL building Telegram Desktop on ARM :D
 Oof
 a full day later, thats crazyness
 I first was 24+ hrs awayke
 then slept 13+ hrs
 now awake and going on
 @KrisJacewicz, Is there a word for this? 😱
 @Crash_Burn, IDK but there is a sticker for this:
 (Sticker, 512x464) https://irc.ubports.com/ihLlx4HX/file_1900
 (Photo, 430x539) https://irc.ubports.com/kUzRzCt0/file_1902.jpg
 wow, LOL
 @lazypower, lol! hahah
 @lazypower, who is this charles butler.  You are welcome in my house.
 espresso and biscuits for you, my friend.
 👋 ey, just an ex canonicaler hanging around the ubports community
 nice! i also like how you verbified a proper nound
 i hate it when i do that ;)
 sorry, you common-nouned a proper noun
 Ankle-biter canonicler
 but its how we referred to ourselves amonst ourselves anyway
 @wayneoutthere, Be nice @wayneoutthere
 No offense was taken, if it's all the same.
 No no...I was just messing with my good friend @wayneoutthere
 Trying to generate something funny :)
 Funny Generator.  ... hmm. can we write that app?
 I just wrote my first app tonight using Webapp Creator.  Screw the FAQs, I'm now an app creator!! whhhooooo
 That crashing sound you just heard was reality hitting me in the face! 😜
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/twmX2R90/file_1904.jpg Starting to look good :D
 @mariogrip, awwww.. super cutie kittie
 you won me over ;P
 hahaha :P kittens never disappoint or segfault for that matter :P
 ^^
 @mariogrip, We want that it sounds good too ! but go to sleep !
 It does that alredy :)
 @mariogrip, COOT KITTEH
[05:17] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Is there a default password for unlocking the terminal?
 0000
[05:19] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> That does not work
 Than hit the enter key
 Without type any password
 or just set up a 4-digit passcode
 System Settings > Security & Privacy > Locking and unlocking > Lock security
[05:23] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> I'm not talking about unlocking the phone. When I try to open the terminal app it prompts for a password.
 yep, its the same 4-digit passcode
 sanity check i think...
[05:25] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Oh okay. Thanks
 It will ask for passcode that is det by user
 Either default passcode is 0000
 sms issue, can't recieve if sms has multiple receipients.  I'm leaning towards telco issues but wanted to check with UBports experts. Anyone come accross this?
 This is a bug for sure I used to have
 I have tested since I don't talk to anyone risky enough to use spytel
 But I recall I didn't receive eithrr when on multi recipient sms thread
 Sorry so send and receive problems I meant
 Night
 @wayneoutthere, thanks.  Running some tests.  Sending out to multiple people just worked.. and I woke up my wife ;O
 Abort... abort!
 (Sticker, 363x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Pj2fSIc2/file_1906
 @mariogrip, is this tox or a new dialer?
 @popescu_sorin, No the sessions used to happen in #ubuntu-classroom and there was a little classroom app that provided a whiteboard and an irc widget. That's going back in time though pre-2011 😊
 Hi I was thinking can I put my raspberry pi to any use, like helping compile stuff
 @oddparity, off course
 @oddparity, I am currently compiling Telegram Desktop, you can find something and build it too
 @oddparity, another great attitude is to create new apps that will be dedicated for both the pi and UT
 OK so is there some list or I can just pick up anything
 @wayneoutthere, Re: 2: maybe do something about the dumping part, and educate people in asking politely, but usually i tend to ask around if a perceived bug is a thing before i report it in any official way.
 re: 1:  FP2 already has it's own group, and i assume others do to, but it doesn't have a lot of eyes on it.
 @oddparity, I don't know of any list, would like to know if there is somethng like that, but I doubt. … Best would be some sort of IDE. Currently I already compiled Lazarus IDE< and geany works on UT. Maybe something else that exists on Ubuntu and has sources to compile for ARM.
 OK great👍
 @oddparity, On the 2nd thought, I think these 2 categories would be best: … 1. Touch aware apps … 2. qt5 apps
 because if you get touch-unaware app on UY phone, it still is not of a good use, because of less than great user experience. Still good to use in the ssh -X scenario though!
 qt5 app would be awesome to find out whether or not it would work natively on mir
 mind you that mir uses qt5.4.1 currenlty, on the UT 15.04
 I am myself very curious if pi compiled qt5 app would "just work" on UT natively via Mir
 Thanks I'll find out some and try to compile
 Will report if I'm successfull
 @oddparity, even if unsuccessful do share any interesting findings/experiences
 Sure
 I am currently writing post about compiling Telegram Desktop from official sources also with pi board in my workflow. I don't know if I will succeed in the end, but the post will be posted regardless, as there is a lot of good insight in it.
 OK do share it
 Would surely be an educating experience  … I'm very new to this so it will certainly help 😅
 @oddparity, See if you can take whatspp.. I assume it compiles pi needs to build for ut
 Or at least it has source for arm.
 @Vijay, Sorry if I'm ignorant but is WhatsApp open source
[07:29] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @oddparity, No
 Then how is it supposed to be compiled
[07:41] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I think you were talking about Telegram nor WhatsApp
 My comment was based on this info
 Fwd from Matteo: Kris once finished with Telegram and ported to UT, are u able to do so also for Whatsapp, same way?... I read it has been successfully compiled for Raspberry PI as well as Telegram app
 @Vijay, +1
[07:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Vijay, @KrisJacewicz
 @oddparity, well well, I have no idea about the sources of WhatsApp
 Morning everyone! Updates telegram beta build, now replies work again
 You need to download the same 2.5.0 again, tzhere is no version bump
 @Vijay, I have not "finished it" actually. It is still ongoing for a 2nd day in a row
 I don't have complete idea about how and why? But there were people who were able to register and send messages using pi  … http://www.mascal.it/rpiyowsup_e.html
 http://www.mascal.it/rpiwa_e.html
 also iomportant to note, Telegram already is being compiled by @popescu_sorin (i think he is porting it, right?) and works natively on Mir, but: … 1. It is not compiled from the official Telegram code on git … 2. It is not Telegram Desktop, but a mobile version (I think, can be verified?)
 I think telegram's maintainer is @Flohack
 @Vijay, still checking it but looks like actually just a script in pythin for using a 3rd party (paid) to route message in a sms to Whatsapp network
 @Flohack, thx for the info, Flo
 and Telegram has been compiled on pi before but: … 1. Not Telegram Desktop, just a CLI version … 2. Unless it was but I found nothing on it
[07:56] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack, Just wanted to ask this, thanks
 @KrisJacewicz, seems that sms part was just to handle authentication/registration. It is a 3rd party pythin script nonethless. It talks to Whatsapp server directly.
[07:59] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> See, it works, great @Flohack
 @Vijay, How can this work, WhatsApp is closed source, to reverse-engineer it and understand the api is very cumbersome. Telegram is somehow open and still every new feature takes months to implement ;)
 also, I am not doing any "porting" work, not really. I am compiling on ARM. I make few adjustments in the source code here and there (all documented) but really to little to say that I'm porting anything. The most I got to "porting" is when I added few lines of constant definitions for ARM architecture that were not present in the original source code, but that was literally 10 definitions/lines of code.
 if you look at this resources-wise (desktop, pi board and phone) or  time-wise though... shit gets crazy then. So maybe I am porting, I don't know, hahaha
 @mariogrip, Oh, nice :) I'd have a few suggestions though: … 1. Unless the background color (I mean the bottom part of course) is taken from the theme, it should be white. The most apps' UI is black on white (including the phone app. Yes, I know music app is an exception), and I think it's better to stay consistent. … 2. Are the icons plain buttons or will require swipe? When I look at them, I don't know. I'd either make them buttons or replace wi
[08:13] <tgBot> sliders, so that user knows what to do with them befor he touches the screen for the first time. … 3. Swiping from bottom is a nice pattern, so I would stick it for quick replies and make them look like anywhere else in the SDK. A gentle hint like "swipe up to reply with SMS" could be added - a light gray should be used for it to make it a secondary text. … 4. Ubuntu phone vary rarely uses bold font. I've found it only in one place - SIM 1 and SIM 2 in the 
[08:13] <tgBot> indicator.That's why I'd use a normal font weight for the contact name - as it is used everywhere else (in music app for album/artist names too). Text is big, it does not need to be bold. … 5. I'd suggest increasing photo size so that it is square. There's still plenty of space underneath. … 6. I'd add more margin above the contact name. The same reason - much space underneath and the text seems to be too close to the photo. … I hope this helps. Thanks fo
[08:13] <tgBot> Apart from that: Let's refer to https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/ - there are many beautiful mockups. All of them are for the new unreleased SDK, but still they show how the OS in general should look. I'd love if this direction was continued. :) … @sverzegnassi, as you are developing the SDK, you might want to look through these docs unless you have known them earlier than me :)
 @theMitu you Polish?
 I would love to see more coordinated effort. Now when I read that also @popescu_sorin does smth with Telegram I must say its the usual stuff in FOSS: People start all their own flavor of smth before coordinating. There is a group of 10 people in the background of the current app, me as a maintainer.
 But go ahead, we got all the time we need
 @Flohack, I think Popescu's telegram effort is more significant than mine, because AFAIK Telegram Desktop is not touch-aware.  … Also, if the version I am compiling does not play well with phone's version of QT, it will be a no-go too. I am taking an alternative path just as a POC challenge, and to find out some answers. Popescu's version of Telegram is more about actual applicability.
 @KrisJacewicz, but at least I hope Raspberry Pi users will thank me, even if ultimately UT turns out a failure :D
 *I mean Telegram Desktop on UT, not UT itself !
 But still, there is a group of people here trying to get things organized. Soon we are a foundation. How can we succeed if other people not even ask us whats the best way to participate. Its waste of time & resources, and causes frustration. Thats how forking usually starts
 @Flohack, I reckon what you are saying is all valid. Although some cowboyship is a good thing, as long as the official UT strategy ommits some focus areas.
 @KrisJacewicz, Yes, I am :D
 (Sticker, 512x358) https://irc.ubports.com/oqwcIcfo/file_1909
 :)
 @theMitu, Reply test...
 @nfsprodriver, Test reply
 👍
 @DanChapman, Haha ancient history 😎
 @lazypower, uMatriks video call.
 wip
 @theMitu, +1 😍
 @KrisJacewicz, Some radicals later become the mainstream but it is a delicate balance. Always risky but necessary at the same time
 @Flohack, Thank you again!. Will try it after work. 👍
 @Flohack, Woo
 @theMitu, nice info for people like me who are ignorante about documentation stuff
 and... good points about the new caller remake
 @LarreaMikel, :D lol , what I miss more actually its an app with audio call. There is none yet available. Its the only thing i am missing so badly
 actually I think the only app who let us do that is skype webapp, but its skype............ not best case scenario, specially when no one uses skypes 24hs on their phone, like my family members
 and I hate skype
 Is there a way to automount SD cards? Whenever I restart my phone it unmounts and I have to make a directory in media and remount
[10:03] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, You maybe wanted to say: I do not like it. 😉😇
[10:11] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Greg, SD in phone or external with USB connection
 @Milan Korecky, I think right now they are trying to give proper support to Linux. But the electron beta was a bad joke.
 Buggy. It was just the web skype. They stopped the native app for Linux
 For desktop is good. But for mobile I never like it tbh
 good on windows and osx *
[10:21] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo, After install it broken my LG II 9
 @Milan Korecky, In phone, it's formatted in ex fat though, I have the packages installed for it
 @Milan Korecky, What rom have you installed?
 @malditobastardo, before Microsoft bought it off, it was written in Delphi. Now, I have no idea. But if it was still written in Delphi, porting it to Linuxand OSX would hv been a breeze. Porting to Android and iOS would also be quite easy.
 @Greg, Greg, I don't think it's the right way to manually create anything in the /media folder manually. Use gvfs-mount, or mount elsewhere, I  suggest. Because /media location is known for being used by automatic/non-assistive mounting by Ubuntu.
 @KrisJacewicz, in that sense, it is probably only normal/proper/expected that whatever you make manually into /media folder, gets deleted later on by the OS.
[10:39] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Mattia, It was factory android 4 in that times and I just installed Skype and everything went wrong, auto restarting and even reinstalling did not help, weird device. My father has it still and no any problem
 @KrisJacewicz, I didn't think it was riright, thanks I will try gvfs-mount
 @Flohack, Testinggg
 Weeeeeeee
 @KrisJacewicz Where can I find the source for the Open Software Hub if it is already a thing?
 @cibersheep, youre welcome ^^
 @Flohack, I would be interested in participate in the foundation. So how could this be possible?
 @bastos777, contact @dal
 @bastos777, contact @UniversalSuperBox he got the details
 @TronFortyTwo, https://open.uappexplorer.com/ has "Source" on the bottom right which links to https://github.com/UbuntuOpenStore
 @TronFortyTwo, if you remind me on 13th then I will be back with you on that one. Now I am in a businwss trip and tmr going to China.
 (Oh, it's not the OpenStore?)
 @Lorxu, thanks but that is th open store
 @Lorxu, that is not what he asked for
 @KrisJacewicz, Thank you
 Okay, it sounded similar enough I thought that was meant
 Good to know there's a difference
 @Lorxu, Open Software Hub is my alternative store where apps are packaged without click or any other confinement. Apps are being installed into the UT device completely under home directory, and even gtk apps will install. Also PSH supports Desktop Ubuntu and will support Windows and OSX in addition.
 *OSH
 (Photo, 1204x900) https://irc.ubports.com/KI0DKSx1/file_1911.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/qq14jSKc/file_1914.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/ehY8rAnp/file_1915.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/Yc0jGrfg/file_1917.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/eJXZ0UJ7/file_1919.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/0RmlCZz8/file_1921.jpg
 Oh, I remember that
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/GSzSIgoX/file_1923.jpg
 the scdeens are in the windowed mode. in staged mode it goes full screen
 Could that support something like AppImages?
 @Lorxu, could support anything really but the idea behind is to provide apps that do gwt installed in a portable way.
 into home directory
 not into any location outside of /home
 well..  it would take as much work as any new device port that's started as an AOSP fork
 you might as well port a real device
[11:55] <tgBot> Pramathesh Ambasta was added by: Pramathesh Ambasta
[11:56] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> Hi friends. Would like to install the ubuntu-sdk on Ubuntu 17.10 but can't. Apt complains that there is no release file for the ppa. Help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
[12:00] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Pramathesh Ambasta, Hello Ambasta and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Pramathesh Ambasta, Hello Pramathesh and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hehe
[12:01] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Good
[12:01] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I am driving Lionelb
[12:03] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @Milan Korecky, Thanks
[12:03] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @Stereofont, Thanks
 @Pramathesh Ambasta, Lots of stuff has been taken out of the 17.10 repository.  I don't know the answer but hopefully someone who knows will respond soon
[12:04] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> Thanks Lionelb
 Things can get lost in the flow of messages so it can be asked again if necessary
[12:06] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Pramathesh Ambasta, @mimecar
[12:06] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @Stereofont, Yes. Sure
 @mimecar you have a virtualbox image with sdk installed, haven't you? where is hosted?
 I think latest version is for 16.04
 @Pramathesh Ambasta, Your question is already picked up by DuckDuckGo. Impressive!
 @j2g2rp, Yes, one second
[12:08] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @Stereofont, Kewl!
 (Sticker, 512x402) https://irc.ubports.com/0htYXLGj/file_1924
 duckduckgo to the rescue
 https://forums.ubports.com/post/4334
 It's on my Google drive unit
 @Pramathesh Ambasta, maybe it's interesting for you to take a look to mimecar's post. He already have a virtual machine prepared to download with the  sdk
 @mimecar, +1
[12:12] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @j2g2rp, Yes. Looking at it right now
 Linux + Efficiency.  Be afraid.  Be very afraid 😎
 Pramathesh I used your sound recorder app.
 @mimecar, OMG, Miguel or Hero of the day!
[12:33] <tgBot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> @Cesar_Herrera, Thanks! Want to tinker with it. But realized after I updated to 17.10 that the ide is not installing
 I use that virtual machine for developing
 @malditobastardo, uMatriks will have that soon
 @malditobastardo, Signal would be nice, for complete integration
 Honestly, Signal is as hostile as WhatsApp
 They also block third party apps
 So unless they want to support UT natively you're pretty much out of luck
 seriously?
 Yes
 You never heard of the LibreSignal crap?
 not been very acquainted with it
 but I remember Signal was a pain to use
 They threatened lawsuits and everything and eventually the developer gave up on it
 Needed Chrome and Google play services
 That was the only way to run it without Google Play
 I absolutely hate developers that pull the C&D trigger
 Snap Inc is almost bankrupt and I'm happy
 Signal is open only by license
 They are incredibly hostile to ppl that want to help them spread their services
 @Lorxu, Ah. I didn't know it was dependent
 And Signal also attacked several people trying to use their crypto protocol, trying to scare them with GPL things that half the time don't make sense
 But when Facebook wants to use it and pays a shitload of money suddenly all is finu
 An upside us that 'normal ' people are more prepared to sign up to it
 Matrix over signal honestly
 And Matrix' crypto is a reimplementation of the signal one and audited
 In their defense you can now install the apk without play services and it works
 That I accept. It depends in what sphere. For family on android, Signal is at least preferable to Google apps
 they brought that out earlier this year
 Riot's main issue is UI
 once we get telegram secret chats there isn't much reason to use signal imo
 @Greg, SMS?
 What do you mean sorry?
 Sorry. I mean encrypted SMS are a reason to use Signal?
 Summary: Signal is bad mkay.
 @Greg, Well I mean... Proper crypto?
 Telegram's crypto is a joke. If it's secure, it's by luck
 @Stereofont, Got removed ages ago
 I don't think signal uses encryptes SMS any more, I believe that caused a fork which is called silence
 @Greg, Yup
 As always, I learn stuff here
 So Matrix for SMS?  Or just forget SMS?
 Telegrams crypto is good enough imo
 I haven't seen anyone saying there's any fundamental flaws and the code is open source there could be zero days sure but I don't believe there are none in signal
 @Greg, There was dumping in free text on the device. But like anything, if the device is compromised …
 @Stereofont, Matrix only supports SMS to the UK I think but not encrypted. I'd forget SMS, it's built on a buggy network that has no real authentication and that only works because phone modems are very locked up and legally have to be because the network is too unsafe
 @Lorxu, SMS use declining fast, for sure
 @Lorxu, was this the one Joe was telling me about in our last audiocast - the one that uses a chrome plugin or something?
 @wayneoutthere, The desktop client used to be a Chrome plugin, now it's Electron
 I honestly think Matrix is the future. Properly libre (not client-only) and tries to connect all networks together
 Favourite IRC client :P
 The huge keys for Matrix seem quite intimidating, for grandfather /grandmother use
 @Lorxu, from my understanding sms is 100% open like a generic radio signal.  In BC, Canada here, from my understanding, a telecom, if asked by any govt authority will simply hand over all contents of SMS.  It has been a while since I looked at this but my memory (bad memory) has only one thing in it - SMS = really not secure/worst possible option
 Ooh. Grandmother?  Here? Lol
 @Lorxu, you've pretty much sold me a long while ago but the issue is we need something that is 'platform agnostic' yet with 'decent security' and lots of features until we get there.  I therefore must agree with Flo et al that Telegram is our 'current best option'  - look at how much we are getting done now?  But yes, we need to make the best long term choice soon for sure
 @wayneoutthere, Yup, also, the network is so old and insecure that there's no authentication at all. The only thing keeping everyone from spoofing everyone is the closed firmware of the phone modems
 I mean we're talking in plaintext now if I'm not mistaken as groups aren't encrypted
 @Greg, you are correct
 @wayneoutthere, Matrix has more features :P
 @Lorxu, that's an Impossi-bull
 @Greg, Well, there's TLS. Not completely plane, but the server can read. SMS you can read if you just spoof the receiving device, no security at all
 One old Nokia phone has a bug in the firmware that allows software to spoof a number, which makes it super valuable for criminals :P
 I saw a spoof SMS app 😱
 Mobile banking hmmm
 They can use that phone to receive the 2 factor codes of others for banking and so
 SMS is the worst two factor method lol
 yeah. it's going to be a bad day soon when the 'normal people' get a really nasty wake up call.  i'm not fully secure but comparing to where I was 10 years ago... man.
 ps I think this is on topic as about UBports comms?
 @wayneoutthere, They are about to launch communities, where you can have an "Ubuntu Touch" community and several channels under that one community (like Discord has)
 Oh yes of course
 Also Matrix has had video chats forever, how about Telegram? :P
 I only miss stickers in Matrix
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0VmgjRIE/file_1925
 No stickers makes me sad
[13:32] <PureTryOut[m]> I still wonder why this channel uses an IRC <-> Telegram bridge rather than a Matrix <-> IRC and a Matrix <-> Telegram bridge. it would look much cleaner on the IRC and Matrix side, while it wouldn't change much on the Telegram side
 @wayneoutthere, All of Yahoo. A bank will be quite spectacular though
 @PureTryOut[m]> I still wonder why this channel uses an IRC <-> Telegram bridge rather than a Matrix <-> IRC and a Matrix <-, The Telegram bridge still kinda sucks but agreed
 Wouldn't look any less neat
[13:33] <PureTryOut[m]> Telegram bridging will always suck on the Telegram side, as it's API's are limited
 @Lorxu, that one does indeed seem surprising - granted
[13:34]  * PureTryOut[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-11-07_14-34-08.png (33KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/asCpOjiWxvRxvlMxIkSHZkhD>
[13:34] <PureTryOut[m]> you guys have to agree that for IRC, that looks bad. why can't the bridge just make virtual users like the Matrix <-> IRC bridge does?
[13:34] <PureTryOut[m]> that said, any Ubuntu Touch Matrix client in the works?
 @PureTryOut[m], Yup there were screenshots posted earlier
 uMatriks
 Unfortunately this bridge doesn't sync media
[13:37] <PureTryOut[m]> ooh that's the one based on libqmatrixclient right?
 No clue
[13:37] <PureTryOut[m]> see, the Matrix <-> Telegram bridge does sync media 😉 ok I'll shut up
 You're preaching to the choir :P
 This topic is so funny because: … A) it's kind of OT but not really … B) It's super important … C) we're having it on telegram … D) everyone cares and has an opinion. … Almost seems like this should be a permanent 'lab room' or 'opinin room'.  jump in, jump out, catch up on the latest messaging rants, etc
 like OT.. or should it all just go to OT?
 On the development version of Riot we could make a new room in the community and everyone would be able to see it without having to share links ;)
 Honestly though, I think using Telegram is just fine for now, especially because it's so common
 yes, we always come back to that. haha
 PureTryOut: matrix to telegram bridge sucks for irc users
[14:01] <PureTryOut[m]> in what way?
 https://mikaela.info/english/2017/09/19/teleirc-instead-of-telematrix.html
[14:01] <PureTryOut[m]> Lorxu: yeah the upcoming communities support of Matrix would definitely help projects like this
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/bgqzDgCm/file_1926.click
 i might just be interested in this, sir.
 my N4 may disagree, but allow me to try
 use `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted umatriks.larreamikel_0.7_armhf.click` to install it
[14:04] <PureTryOut[m]> bhushanshah: ok valid complaints. I guess it's issues in both the Telegram bridge (not using usernames on Matrix side but display names for Telegram users) and the IRC bridge (sending a link for "long messages" rather than somehow formatting it into 1 line
 ok....... that's already giving me heart palpitations
 so i just clicked download above and now I terminal myself?
 I can push a test version to the open store? (call it uMatrix mariogrip test or something)
 do i have to CD to any directory or just open terminal
 cd into Downloads
 ok thanks
 let me show you my strength, Mariogripsgarden
 @mariogrip can you point me to the repo for you uMatrix code
 @delijati, haven't pushed it just yet, wating to be acceped upstream for libqmatrixclient https://github.com/QMatrixClient/libqmatrixclient/pull/110
 and also have a some fixes left
 yeah i saw the libqmatrixclient code but not the uMatriks ;)
 i'll try to get it pushed today, have some cleanup todo first console.log eveywhere :P
 could not resolve...
 haha mo problem :)
 @wayneoutthere, does this mean it didn't download to downloads maybe?
 i just clicked and uses open store
 haha
 it started right away or something
 will upload to the store
 well it opened with store anyway
 seems to be doing something...
 or not..
 it's now showing in downloads..
 maybe telegram sends it elsewher?
 oh!
 i think i figured out.. stand by
[14:13] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @mariogrip, Hi, small question, is it more stable compared to yesterday ?
 @wayneoutthere, https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/umatriks.mariogrip.test
 @Milan Korecky, quite alot
 installing...
 installed
 who's the boss, Marius?
 except... how to open it
 drag down your app menu to refresh
 k
 then press uMatriks
 wow!! great feature!
 haha
 when are we making the 'how to use our awesome phones' video series??
 dang.. i have to find my user/login brb
[14:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Thanks, I see that the file size is much bigger, again thanks
 @wayneoutthere, @wayneoutthere goes to his Panic Room.. deep underground
 @Greg, There is a possible MitM attack on secure chats (but it can only be executed by Telegram servers actually), and then some questionable crypto paradigmas, which is more opinion based. And I think one of the hash functions should be replaced. Overall, you need to trust Telegram as a company. This is of course some kinde of flaw, too ^^
 @mariogrip, Or open ot with OpenStore XD
 sigh... do i have to have 'homeserver' set or should it find me automatically
 no
 homeserver is if you want to host it yourself, but just use matrix.org that's the default no need to enter anything
 ok stand by sorry
 ok nice. i'm back in how to find you for call?
 first add me
 @mariogrip, can we use the telegram download and open with openstore instead?
 Ok, so that was pretty cool.  It worked 50% which means it's 80% ready with marius
 audio quality was killer good
[14:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Xvo5nqUl/file_1928.jpg
 @LarreaMikel, yes, i have made a test version on the openstore, it's called "uMatrix mariogrip test" but got a problem when you call from ubuntu phone <-> ubuntu phone (i haven't tested this before now) but it seems like only one gets audio here
 yes, we are also doing tests...
 hehe
[14:37] <tgBot> xesvk was added by: xesvk
 @TronFortyTwo, I found out that opensoftwarehub.com domain is down, I will fix it when back from the biz trip, but I made a temporary hosting. I will need to publish apps to that new hosting too, for now only snake game is there. When the original hosting is up again, it will work seamlessly. … URL: wget api.sound.com.tw/dev/kris/installOSH_arm.sh -O installOSH_arm.sh
 Great thanks
 actually the domain is .org, not .com, so: opensoftwarehub.org
 @xesvk, Hello JZ and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 updated news report: … with video call, *both* audio and video work perfectly.  A few minor issues with GUI but both video and audio had excellent quality during call. Well done @mariogrip
 great news!
 @wayneoutthere, @mariogrip is the Lord Viking we need!
 Test completed: voice call riot(desktop)->ut !!
 nice sound quality
 oh nice.  desktop to UT... well done.  i heard my desktop ringing while testing glad it works
 yes... if you answer from desktop the ut call instance keeps calling...
 @theMitu, Yes! I was aware of the design docs, but I do appreciate your reminder about keeping an eye on them. They contain quite a lot of new UI visuals, might be worth to give them a try in the new Suru theme :)
 @sverzegnassi, Keeping everyone sharp like a razor. This community is getting more vibrant every day!
 ...
 hold on...
 @Mohannes that logo looks a bit like mine...
 lol upsidedown Wayne
 :D
 If your name was Mayne(out there).... but it isnt
 Its a solid M for Mohannes
 hold on.
 I spent cash money making that logo for my business...
 I think you shoud consider removal
 your a nice young man but lacking in wisdom apparently
 i'm giving you 10 seconds to remove your perverted version of a good thing
 i see no response
 10
 can i get a 9?
 (I still see a violation)
 8
 punk
 7
 ...  i see an ugly M up there
 6
 get away Wayne will explode
 *gets lawyers number from drawer*
 5
 I'm not going to give you the pleasure of 5 through 0.  Yu're on my hitlist Mayo
 What the ... SG has gone Nuclear.  I'm getting the fire hose
 🚒🚑
 I'm sure we'll work it out. Just a bump on the road to success, right @Mohannes
 sorry for my late reaction. I was thinking on how much I care about your opinion....
 10
 9
 8
 7
 6
 5
 4
 3
 2
 1
 0 F*cks
 @sverzegnassi, Cool! :) I really love these mockups and it would be great if it could be pixel-perfectly made real in your QQC style someday :) … Two more questions: … 1. How can I look how your style looks (any test app, widget gallery etc.)? … 2. Are you focused only on QQC style or you are going to take up moving Ubuntu specific components to QQC later on? (Bottom edge, adaptive page layout, ubuntu's headers and list items with actions etc.)?
 and please delete my upside-down shopped logo @wayneoutthere. Its a disgrace
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/HJ9aOJw3/file_1929
 let the games begin we should enjoy this
 @Mohannes, ......
 I would, if it was your logo. But it isnt. its a free country
 Mohannes and Wayne got same logos now 😜😜😳
 s a free cunch
 no, its an M
 Totally different
 Its a mirror image of each other upside down
 no it isnt
 these arent the droids youre looking for
 move along
 These arent the droids I am looking for.
[15:49] <tgBot> allaert was added by: Mohannes
 All hail the CPT Tool ceator
 Hail..lo ? @allaert
 We have like 5 different ways to install UT!
 I wasn't familiar with CPT and if it was depreciated in favor of Ubuntu-installer?
 for 16.04/17.04/17.10
 anyways
 ubports.com says `Alternative install? Use  CPT  or MDT`
 @wayneoutthere bug fixed, new version out! ready to test?
 Yes! Thanks Marius
 Give me 10min and send me file
 @wayneoutthere, it's on the open store
 @Mohannes, wayne nr2 :P
 Oh
 0.8.1?
 could someone send me direct download link for terminal click from the open store?
[16:26] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.terminal
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/api/download/com.ubuntu.terminal/com.ubuntu.terminal_latest_armhf.click
 @Mohannes @wayneoutthere Guys I get the feeling that irony, humor, sarcasm are sometimes not properly conveyed by text messages. People got confused by your avatar battle...
 @Flohack, +1 chat is one-dimensional
 remember we got many international users and english is more like a tool for us
 My native language is English and it was the same for me …
 @Milan Korecky, thank you!
 @Michele, thanks!
 @theMitu, 1) I'm currently rewriting most of the components, so it's not yet that polished. Anyway, the QQC2 Widget Gallery, or any other QQC2 apps should be okay. Once the style is installed on the system, you only need to launch the app as: … $ ./<app-bin-name> -style suru … 2) My focus for now is just to create the style, and see how much things can be done by using QQC2 only. I'd like to try to be as much complying with the "Qt-way" of wr
[16:34] <tgBot> QML apps as possible. … However, I haven't found many apps using QQC2 (except a simple calculator), so I've been forced to port a few screens (and components) of UITK apps on QQC2, for testing purpose.
 So, yes, there will be a "Suru.Components" module with some Ubuntu UI element. Ideally, they should work with all the QQC2 themes, i.e. not too restrictive - but, yet opinated - UI choices. … e.g. UITK ListItemLayout's slots are partially provided by QQC2 ItemDelegate already. … What I did is: https://pastebin.com/2yWJk2kB … There might be a futher module, called e.g. "Suru.Patterns", which implements the most common patterns (e.g. empty st
[16:35] <tgBot> usually designed in Ubuntu apps. … I'd prefer that these modules could be as much portable as possible. An app dev just import a few QML files as resources, and {she|he} is totally free to use or change them as he needs. They should really work just as a template. … The bottom edge (just my opinion) doesn't work great on a desktop or a converged environment. QQC2 provides de-facto a FAB, which might be an interesting solution. But this is still TBD.
 With Qt 5.9 Kirigami Apps should also work in UBports, which could be interesting. Like http://github.com/kaidanim/kaidan :)
[16:46] <tgBot> Victor LP was added by: Victor LP
 Yep, it would be cool to have kirigami apps on UT. I didn't tested Kirigami yet, since it still provide opinionated UI framework (like every toolkit, after all). … For how QQC2 works, and how people writes QML apps, we should anyway expect to see apps that doesn't completely fit with the pure Ubuntu/Suru visuals. QQC2 apps could even force the e.g. "Material" style on UT, with no chance to make them using our "Suru" style. Others might look goo
[16:48] <tgBot> with a specific style instead. Even the official "material" and "universal" styles slightly differ one from the other. … Once we decide to support Kirigami and Fluid apps, we should accept that they will still handle the UI in their own (slightly different) way. That's actually great, because it means more choice.
 Once we decide to support Kirigami and Fluid apps, we should accept that they will still handle the UI in their own (slightly different) way. That's actually great, because it means more choice.
 I still wish we had a clear tutorial for PyQt. I don't like the only reason my app doesn't run on UT being because I can't find packaging instructions :P
 Hello Victor LP and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @sverzegnassi, Stefano, could you explain a little about Kirigami and Fluid? I am not familiar with them
 They are like the Ubuntu UI Toolkit, but implemented at the top of QtQuick Controls 2. QQC2 does not provide all the components required for a desktop and/or mobile experience, since it has been created with embedded in mind (and it's still under development)
 @sverzegnassi, So would that involve installing a 'UT Max' module or could they be native on the phone?
 We could ship e.g. Kirigami inside the system image, but I'm sure it could be worth atm (again, everything is under development, I guess). We might want to make easier for devs to include Kirigami inside a click package, or support snap packages; in that terms, they would be native.
 For instance, Fluid (a.k.a. LiriOS) apps have been already packaged as snap, and they can run on Ubuntu desktop (they are developed originally on Arch Linux, IIRC)
 So potentially an assembly kit? Lego?
 Off-the
 Off-the-peg elements?
 Then set your english bars at new levels and.. Who said we are joking?  ;) have you been listening to secret audio???
 @Lorxu, tryy run it without packaging then
 @KrisJacewicz, I tried, but PyQt isn't preinstalled
 And sure I could apt but... users shouldn't have to ever do that
 @Lorxu, how big is it?
 We wrote a tool for that back at the time, since DocViewer and File Manager have the same requirement. … It doesn't look great, but always did its job. … If you have a .deb package for your dependencies, this should come handy … https://github.com/sverzegnassi/docviewer-app/blob/master/tools/get-click-deps … https://github.com/sverzegnassi/docviewer-app/blob/master/cmake/modules/Click.cmake
 'ubuntu-app-launch' adds the confined click-pkg location to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so anything in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/<app_id>/<version/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf' should just work "out of the box".
 @Lorxu, I could publish via OSH, no command line needed, no sudo no nothing
 @sverzegnassi, I meant, you could deploy entirely without click
 in the .desktop launcher you set Exec=...../app.sh
 and in the .sh script you set all the things, like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc
 try putting your app entirely in ~/MyApp and test
 @KrisJacewicz, Sure, we know about the click-free choice. I'm just presenting the click one  :P
 when it runs I can publish it via OSH
 @sverzegnassi, aright
 @KrisJacewicz, Seems about 2MB: https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/python3-pyqt5
 @KrisJacewicz, I'd like that but I no longer have an UT tablet myself so can't really test anyway :P
 (I flashed Android on it so I would be less bored in my 10 hour flight, I know, I'm a heathen)
 @Lorxu, if you want I can try to help you, but this idea can get lost so if you want, email me: k.k.jacewicz@gmail.com
 @mariogrip Good Job for uMatrix 👍
 Does the uMatriks in the openstore, have the GUI I helped design? :D
 video and voice it's ok
 very good job
 Wow
 Video and voice already?!
 Amazing! I though they was a joke haha
 yes it's runing !
 Hello guys, have a nice days to everyone. I have a old Samsung S3 mobile phone, is there any option to turn it to ubuntu phone? I'm using linux on my pc. Thanks.
 @Mile_Guitars, The chances are slim I think but they depend on the Halium project and the range of phones which that will support. Samsung are some of the least promising
 @Flohack, Hmmm knowing wayne I did know it was a joke/silly games ... We need to stretch from time to time so do not be to harsh on them
 @Stereofont, I understand Lionelb, ok i will wait 👍
 @Mile_Guitars, There is a Halium group on Telegram. You could pick up some thoughts there? Good luck 😎
 @Stereofont, Thanks Lionelb 😎👍
 And is there a chance to see Ubuntu phone in xiaomi mi3 and Xiaomi mi5?
 Fwd from BrisPete: We'd love to support as many devices as possible. Unfortunately porting a new device takes a long time and there are only a few of us doing the work. More developers working on porting devices would mean more devices ported. This will particularly be true when the Halium Project is successful.
 @Mattia, I can really only give the same answer. Halium has the potential to open up a wide range of phones for UBports (and other phone OSs). Until it is mature, it won't be clear quite how many
 Where phones have one 'badge' for what us actually a wide range of internal components, it is even more complicated. True foe Meizu. Not sure about Xiaomi
 Oh and sorry about my keyboard 😎
[18:37] <tgBot> pablochere was added by: pablochere
 😂 thanks for the reply!
 And Can you share the helium group?
 @pablochere, Hello Pablo and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Mattia, I think just @Halium
 Check out also halium.org
 So far the ecryptfs encryption for parts of my home directory works well. I did not notice any particular spike in energy consumption.
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/cg5jyeaN/file_1930.jpg
 The two drops in battery are python lib compilations.
 If it stays that way I will try encrypting the entire home, including app data etc.
 Great. The DNS polling increased battery drain x4
 @Stereofont, It did? You mean the dash.ubuntu.com?
 Which device is?
 BQ 4.5
 A simple fix for dash.ubuntu.com would be if @mariogrip added it into the uAdblock
 With ubports?
 @Jaume81, 👍
 👍. Which version dev, r/c or stable?
 @Dominik, https://github.com/ubports/thumbnailer/commit/ebf60cf14ad4ce71cdbe8221f98c4dac56b42ed5 it should be fixed in devel
 @Jaume81, Stable branch
 @Dominik, open for pr
 @Dominik, FP2 7 hours standby aeroplane mode 55% to 52%. FP 7 hours standby without aeroplane mode 52% to 34%
 @Stereofont, But I doubt this comes from the dash problem
 @Flohack, yeah me too
 @Stereofont, Put an entry in /etc/hosts mapping the domain onto localhost and see if this fixes the energy problem
 @Flohack, It does seem a surprising amount of energy loss just for that. What else halted by aeroplane mode?
 Telecoms hmm …
 Also WiFi 😶
 @Stereofont, I can use wifi in aeroplane mode
 @Dominik, Ah. Okay. I never explored
 airplane mode disables all outgoing signals, but you can enable wifi after though
 It felt pretty wierd to find a free wifi access point on an airplane the first time
 @mariogrip, I didn't re-enable for my experiment
 @Stereofont, Purism is also looking to change the game. Open hardware with kernel level drivers. Android free hardware is welcome.
 @Crash_Burn, Where the option is buying a new phone rather than modifying one you already have, true
 @Dominik, Why you think so? All that what the told us about danger of mobile phones is a lie. Its just agains terrorism, the plane systems are not in danger
 @Flohack, Similar nonsense about petrol stations
 @Stereofont, well yes and no, there I can understand it more. But on the other hand, what if you forget to turn it to flight mode? Nowhere on the planet they could risk blowing up a fuel station or crashing a plane bc one lightminded guy forgot his flightmolde 😆
[19:45] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Crash_Burn, We may wait, as Dalton has many times repeated, until F4 will get one in their hands, look how they promote their laptops now, I see big marketing behind, just my point of view
 Fwd from dfiloni: Test
 @Flohack, Its more about that I feel uncomfortable for any aircraft interface exposed to interaction with passengers.
 @Milan Korecky, I think their market penetration will be about the same as for their laptop range. Very niche. Again, a personal opinion
[19:47] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, I think so
 @Stereofont, I realize this, but basic handsets like the N5 as well as cheap boards like the RPi can completely upend an industry.
 UBports is in a good position I think to maximize this potential.. especially in developing markets.
 @Crash_Burn, +1
 About to put new Telegram Beta: Fixed forwarding of messages, also from supergroups!
 @Flohack, 💜
 @mariogrip, Is the ppa overlay has been fixed/migrated ? When can we expect to have online-account-plugins release in devel ?
 @Ern_st, should be there alredy
 I don't see the possibility to add Nextcloud account in the Devel.
 @Ern_st, Can it be that you can use Owncloud and it will understand also Nextcloud?
 Hi, just a quick question, is 16.04 available for Nexus 4? Thanks
 @majster, Soon, hopefully. Not just yet though
 Have Ubuntu touch support for some stylus like wacom or spen?
 @Flohack, By bumping to this package, shouldn't we enable these account : https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/tree/master/qml ?
 @Stereofont, Thanks
 @Jaume81, There is a video somewhere. I will try to find it. Ronnie Tucker
 @Flohack, nice work Flo-man
 Flo Man Chu
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/47pdjKFa/file_1931.mp4
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4hIwJpHmgLw not quite what you wanted but very cool
 hehe
 @wayneoutthere, I'm just crafting this ... Flo Mancho... yes.  there we go.
 ok have a nice day
 hehe thx u 2
 @Ern_st, The interesting part is: Alberto sent me a pull request to fix some small stuff. But he did not see, we are missing the whole plugin activation. Sorry to say, need again to speak with Alberto.... :(
 @Flohack, And its LIVE! Update your beta click now ^^ - we fixed also: Terrifying large preview pictures for some websites. Until we got a better solution, link previews are disabled. Also some Suru icons were introduced (think we got most of them now)
 https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 @Flohack, Which package is missing ?
 @Ern_st, Not a package. The account type nextcloud is not visible in the list. Its probably not compiled correctly. Must be smth in the code, but its not my strongest part of UT ;)
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aK7rmPp3/file_1933.jpg
 yes this is what I mean
 @Flohack but the ppa package seems correct, right ?
 we were thinking you just need the small pull request to fix nextcloud authentication, but its in fact more thats missing
 @Ern_st, Well its probably ok, but we will look at the whole chain of events again
 Ok thanks for the update, should be reopen a bug report somewhere ?
 let me see what alberto tells me, then we can decide
 Ok
 Fwd from nfsprodriver: Thanks!
 Works
 @nfsprodriver, ^^
 @Flohack, well me being a flight pilot I have to agree with you boss :)
 ^^
 umatriks works wonderful. Just trying with my wife on her iphone
 the only thing i am missing is that the app when I close in UT it just logout
 In her iphone the app is working in background. Other than that, everything is great
 For now I will keep the app always open
 @sverzegnassi, I think the goal for the bottom edge was that the hint turns into a button on the bottom of the panel when you use the app with mouse. It's almost the FAB then, but as a bar on the bottom instead of floating circle. I personally prefer the bar to the circie :) … It's cool that you continue it. Keep up! :)
 I want Ubuntu rom😭😭😭
 Telegram Update! Sticker packs work maybe! WHo wants to try??
 (Sticker, 512x349) https://irc.ubports.com/MvxHK0X5/file_1934.webp
 Only works if someone doesn't have this …
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/slwUIHty/file_1935
 @Flohack, "maybe"? 😂
 Just sent this sticker yourfavorite @Flohack
 But it doesn't appear in my phone
 can you see it?
 yep me too
 damn
 hi, can I install ubports on mx4 with Debian and not ubuntu?
 Actually I am monitoring
 I can see it. Android though
 I am missing messages
 :(
 @Hunter616, Did it have Ubuntu Touch before or has it now?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7cm0E8H3/file_1936
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/V0ZNq2jO/file_1938.jpg
 @Stereofont i have ubuntu touch arale
 @Hunter616, Already?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/eXkNjvbD/file_1940.jpg
 OK. If i close the app then open it again
 All of the missing messages and stickers appears
 Kind of reloads
 @Stereofont I have ubuntu touch and i want to upgrade to ubports
 @malditobastardo, If you do that again might it disappear again?
 OK will close now and reopen again
 @Hunter616, Great. We can help. Do you want to come to the welcome room?
 It works good. Still here
 but your last message @Stereofont  is missing
 Now after reopen again, your message appears..
 @theMitu, Yes, that's the concept. They reused the bottom edge of the screen since they deprecated the toolbar and the HUD available in UITK 0.1. I'm only not convinced by a 16px bottom bar for a main/primary action (like e.g. "Create new {mail|note|etc.}"). Let's see, if it's not a huge work we could make a component for backward compatibility
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/KCrH0R9g/file_1942.jpg
 Yes!
[22:45] <tgBot> Seumas was added by: Seumas
 Hi there.
 @Martin, Yay !  (0members)
 @Seumas, Hello Seumas and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 welcome Seumas
 I've got an M10 HD and a MX4. Finally getting round to updating them to Ubports. I'm using the magic-device-tool to backup the M10 to a micro SD card, but the script has hung at 98% in the terminal. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
 @Seumas, Never used the backup. There are cache issues. Maybe it backs to cache as part of the transfer?
 @Seumas, Not being rude but is the SD card full?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7XDiM5E9/file_1944.jpg What should I do now? 😅
 Not at all, I backed up the card's earlier contents to free up space for this. It is however 16GB, the same size as the M10's internal storage.
 Volume up down should change from Start to Recovery
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EB00RCzb/file_1946.jpg 😕
 @Seumas, That tool has a backup option but is that what you are wanting to do?
 @arudy, Yes welcome to supergroup world, where nothing works like before. Thx Telegram ^^
 @FelixWeinzierl, The first photo shows Start. From there the volume buttons alone toggle
 Once it's on that "Start" screen, it is in the bootloader.
 Do you have ADB drivers installed on your device, Seumas ?
 @Seumas, Trying to invite you to the welcome room but you don't have a username
 I used the desktop's Nautilus FM to backup the original contents of the card, and with it now empty I ran the backup script.
 ADB on the desktop, yes.
 I'll work on getting a username :P
 @UniversalSuperBox, That is Felix 😎
 Sorry we are getting confused between the two of you
 clicks profile picture
 oh!
 I also intend on using the snappy version to make a second backup straight to the desktop. No worries, I can keep track of the thread.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Exactly
 @Seumas, You could use the UBports installer
 For Ubuntu 17.04?
 Yes
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 Oops didn't mean to ping.
 Yay !!! M10FHD is fully working, thankis for the helps :)  (just needed a full battery charge
 What backup options does that offer?
 @arudy, \o/
 (Sticker, 512x509) https://irc.ubports.com/KBB0QCQN/file_1947
 @Seumas, I don't think it does but checking
 There are no backup options in the installer
 On any Ubuntu Touch device, a backup is just "Copying ~/phablet/"
 With maybe a few exceptions, let me check MDT
 @UniversalSuperBox, That does
 I know
 @UniversalSuperBox, oic. Sorry
 OK. I hope I can resolve the script hanging issue, would really rather not kill it in the terminal.
 @Seumas, Are you in the MDT group?
 Clarify?
 On Telegram?
 Oh on Telegram? No this is the first supergroup I've joined.
 magic-device-tool
 As it is a hang with that tool it is probably best to ask there. The tool is designed to be non-destructive though
 Ok thanks, I think this is the link (so I can join it on my Android tablet!)
 tg://join?invite=AAAAAAiC4TTYHRddjUbpXg
 Great.  I couldn't see a link on there
 No worries.
 Sorry, I'll just nix the link to avoid spam
 Does anyone know if the backup script is at the point where it will retain all app settings?
 It just copies the home folder for `phablet`, which is the user that everything runs under.
 It's everything. :)
 System settings, even?
 BTW, the MDT supergroup didn't appear to have any messages in it before I sent my query to them :/
 @Seumas, Not many
 Problem for me is to get access to them. Dont know where this is saved
 Seems normal user has no rights to read them
 @Seumas, Regular groups don't give you that
 Canonical failed 100% to provide a backup facility, or even entry points that 3rd parties could use for that
 I mean, how to design a mobile phone and forget about its backup
 @Seumas, That is about group permissions in Telegram
 hi guys
 I go to sleep c u ^^
 nite nite @Flohack
 It's OK Florian, I can copy system settings by rote. Goodnight.
 What do you guys mean about group permissions? Does someone have to grant me access?
 @Flohack, *It's that and that they have home-brew cryptography in their app. Its not based on GPG or anything like that, more like just raw PKI with RSA-OAEP if i remember correctly.  And its got some non-free components (as you called out server side).  … A solid answer, just giving my 2 cents of added salt :)
 @Stereofont, It's a beginin but I mean to taking notes like galaxy note 8.0 or 12.2. But I don't know if UT can run in snapdragon 800.
 @Seumas, No, it's just that you don't see the history of a regular group before you joined it. Supergroups give you the history
 Also, Dalton, is the backup meant to be 1:1? Is compression involved?
 @Stereofont, Libre Office, gimp, Firefox... How!?
 @SergioSRM, Because is the version for tablet. It would be good that desktop mode will be in phone too.
 I think
 @Seumas, In that group, new joiners don't see history
 @Seumas, Its raw rsync, so transfer compression but on target it not compressed
 Wish it *was* a supergroup then :-)
 How many GB should a ~15GB \phablet\ backup be in that case?
 The terminal just threw up an error. Last few lines of output:
 rsync: failed to set permissions on "/media/phablet/Disposable/ubports_backup/FA089759/.cache/libertine-container/puritine/rootfs/var/cache/man": Operation not permitted (1) …   2,572,348,744  98%    1.93MB/s    0:21:13 (xfr#74658, ir-chk=3778/120090) … Backup NOT OK!
 The backup folder is ~ 3.2GB in size.
 My best guess is that it wants an SD card with at least 2x the size of the phablet directory.