| === hggdh is now known as WieWoWasWozu | ||
| lotuspsychje | morning guys | 03:38 |
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| oerheks | heya lotus | 03:38 |
| lotuspsychje | hey oerheks | 03:42 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: early or late? | 03:42 |
| oerheks | cannot sleep, again.. | 03:43 |
| oerheks | reading the news, if no-one filed a sexual complaint, you mean nothing in Hollywood | 03:44 |
| lotuspsychje | easzero: welcome | 03:46 |
| lotuspsychje | !info jupyter | 03:58 |
| ubot5 | Package jupyter does not exist in artful | 03:58 |
| EriC^^ | morning all | 06:04 |
| oerheks | heya eric | 06:04 |
| EriC^^ | hey oerheks | 06:05 |
| oerheks | new Star Wars-trilogy comming, without those silly Skywalkers \0/ | 06:06 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 06:07 |
| EriC^^ | hey lotuspsychje | 06:07 |
| lotuspsychje | i never liked starwars | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | did you check jungle 2017 EriC^^ | 06:10 |
| EriC^^ | nope saw the trailer | 06:10 |
| EriC^^ | scary shit | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | based on real story lol | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | gonna watch it also | 06:11 |
| EriC^^ | cool | 06:11 |
| EriC^^ | google banned like 4 accounts for me | 06:11 |
| EriC^^ | i even made the robot take 4mins between each move he does, woke up to a banned account | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah you said that | 06:12 |
| oerheks | :-( | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | their pretty smart | 06:12 |
| EriC^^ | the problem is that they want a phone number for new accounts | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | they got much time at google, after a swim in their pool | 06:12 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, how'd they figure out the last one though, it literally is making a comment every 30mins or more | 06:13 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 06:13 |
| EriC^^ | when i spammed the fuck out of them, i got 400 pages retrieved in like 6hours | 06:14 |
| EriC^^ | i have to spam them | 06:14 |
| EriC^^ | xD | 06:14 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 06:15 |
| ducasse | good morning all | 06:47 |
| immu | ducasse, good morning | 06:49 |
| immu | hey anyone running untiy7 on 17.10? | 06:49 |
| immu | unity7 | 06:49 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse & immu | 07:02 |
| immu | lotuspsychje, hey all | 07:03 |
| ducasse | brrr, so cold :( | 07:04 |
| immu | how many as asked before are thinking or at least trying to set Unity7 on ubuntu1.10 :) | 07:05 |
| immu | *17.10 | 07:06 |
| immu | hey eric | 07:06 |
| jink | Silly GUI morons. :P | 07:08 |
| immu | jink meaning | 07:09 |
| immu | i don't think you have any idea of how good Unity7 is | 07:09 |
| immu | i am going to run unity7 on17.10 and report bugs for eventual support in 18.04 | 07:11 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:12 |
| EriC^^ | hey immu | 07:13 |
| immu | hey how do u doing | 07:13 |
| immu | u prayed your friday prayers | 07:13 |
| EriC^^ | i'm christian (technically) and agnostic in reality | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | not unity on artful here | 07:15 |
| EriC^^ | i recently learned how to make tortillas | 07:15 |
| EriC^^ | it's so easy | 07:15 |
| lotuspsychje | how are you lordievader | 07:15 |
| EriC^^ | i think i dreamt at night about making some | 07:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 07:15 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje (IRC): Doing good here, how are you? | 07:16 |
| lotuspsychje | mycroft make tortilla | 07:16 |
| EriC^^ | haha | 07:16 |
| lotuspsychje | great here | 07:16 |
| EriC^^ | when will it happen! | 07:16 |
| lotuspsychje | soon :p | 07:16 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 07:16 |
| lotuspsychje | IOT is comming to us | 07:16 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: oh - can you give me the link to that pizza video you were talking about? i've been having homemade pizza urges lately :) | 07:16 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCAPjIVOdJw | 07:17 |
| EriC^^ | about the tortilla's i found 2 insanely easily and quick to make recipes | 07:17 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: brilliant, thank you kind sir! | 07:17 |
| EriC^^ | get tortilla bread, put hot dog in it, wrap it, put a tooth pick, fry it in oil on both sides, put some ketchup and mustard in a bowl and dip in it and eat | 07:18 |
| jink | immu: I just don't care for GUIs. I don't usually run Ubuntu Desktop (Server only). And it's easy flamebait. :> | 07:18 |
| EriC^^ | it's delicious, then for desert, get a tortilla bread, put nutella on it, put a banana in it and wrap it and eat | 07:19 |
| EriC^^ | takes like 5mins to make them both, and it's very good | 07:19 |
| EriC^^ | ducasse: no problem! | 07:19 |
| immu | your choice jink as you like it | 07:19 |
| ducasse | jink: no x server at all, just tty? | 07:19 |
| jink | ducasse: I run Windows, mostly. Company policy. And on a VPS, it makes no sense to run X. | 07:20 |
| EriC^^ | even at home you're not allowed to run linux? | 07:21 |
| lordievader | Auch, Windows. | 07:21 |
| EriC^^ | (that might sound stupider than i think it sounded) | 07:21 |
| jink | lordievader: Ssssst. | 07:21 |
| jink | EriC^^: I don't own a computer. Just my work laptop. | 07:21 |
| immu | https://community.ubuntu.com/t/unity-7-continuation-call-for-developers-and-supporters/736/5 | 07:21 |
| EriC^^ | jink: oh | 07:21 |
| jink | EriC^^: No offence taken, btw. :) | 07:22 |
| ducasse | jink: oh, no - that's pretty obvious, i'd say. so you _do_ use a gooey - windows. | 07:22 |
| jink | ducasse: :P | 07:22 |
| immu | we need windows for certain things | 07:22 |
| ducasse | jink: all you need is a tty and tmux :-P | 07:22 |
| immu | and its better to have a backup | 07:22 |
| immu | brb | 07:22 |
| immu | after an hour mate | 07:22 |
| jink | Last time I used X was some 15-20 years ago, fvwm 1 on FreeBSD. :P | 07:22 |
| jink | immu: Take your time. I'll be here for at least another 8 hours. | 07:23 |
| lordievader | ducasse (IRC): You mean ssh and tmux ;) | 07:23 |
| immu | sure all | 07:23 |
| ducasse | lordievader: not necessarily, no :) | 07:23 |
| jink | ducasse: It's screen, since I haven't made the move to tmux, yet, but sure. That'll work. | 07:23 |
| ducasse | jink: i loved fvwm, kept using 1.24r for years and years | 07:24 |
| jink | :D | 07:24 |
| jink | Light, fast, awesome. | 07:24 |
| jink | On Windows I use Cygwin, and I bound a terminal to a hotkey. Then ssh from there to wherever, and command-line perl awk shell, the works. | 07:25 |
| lordievader | No Bash on Windows (or however it is called). | 07:28 |
| lordievader | ? | 07:28 |
| ducasse | is that wsl (windows subsystem for linux), or is that a different beast? | 07:38 |
| lordievader | Oh, yeah. That's the one. | 07:42 |
| jink | lordievader: Windows 7, so, not yet. Well, Cygwin bash, but not "native". | 08:14 |
| lordievader | Ah, I see. | 08:16 |
| jink | https://i.imgur.com/iAuvvCY.jpg | 08:32 |
| Sveta | https://askubuntu.com/questions/559060/fast-pdf-reader-that-remembers-the-last-viewed-page | 10:52 |
| Sveta | someone nom it for a bounty or something? | 10:52 |
| Sveta | i'm personally looking for a pdf viewer with continuous scrolling that remembers the last page that i opened, and is not okular or evince. mupdf does not have continuous scrolling. | 10:53 |
| Sveta | so it's similar to that question, but i also need continuous scrolling.. | 10:53 |
| immu | yo amigos | 11:15 |
| jink | 'sup immu? :) | 11:28 |
| immu | back | 11:48 |
| immu | jink, how u doing | 11:53 |
| immu | hi ducasse EriC^^ have your seen bluecasse | 11:53 |
| jink | Fine, at work. :) | 11:56 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 11:58 |
| lordievader | Hey BluesKaj | 12:00 |
| jink | Hi BluesKaj. | 12:00 |
| BluesKaj | Hey lordievader, jink | 12:00 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 12:00 |
| jink | . · o ( is het al weekend? ) | 12:00 |
| ducasse | g'morning BluesKaj \o | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | fine here, some snow and cold , wintery , how about you, lordievader | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | Hey ducasse | 12:01 |
| lordievader | Rain.... further more, doing good. | 12:01 |
| EriC^^ | hi immu | 12:10 |
| pauljw | Hi everyone | 13:07 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning pauljw | 13:08 |
| pauljw | hey BluesKaj :) | 13:09 |
| BluesKaj | got an arctic blast here last night | 13:10 |
| pauljw | :) same here, was 53F last evening and woke up to 27F this morning... brrr... | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | bright sunshine and clear cold air | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | the cold to a certain point doen't bother me much | 13:22 |
| === pauljw_AOD257 is now known as pauljw | ||
| === JanC is now known as Guest54856 | ||
| === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon | ||
| === nacc_ is now known as nacc | ||
| EriC^^ | !ping | 17:28 |
| ubot5 | pong! | 17:28 |
| oerheks | Hi EriC^^ | 17:45 |
| oerheks | please be save, S.A. is crazy | 17:45 |
| EriC^^ | hi oerheks | 17:49 |
| oerheks | i am looking at a special bike, silly pricing, bicycle for a wheelchair .. https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/fietsen-en-brommers/fietsen-bakfietsen/m1223114177-bakfiets-rolstoelfiets-van-raam.html | 17:51 |
| BluesKaj | where are the bike's control/handlebars to steer it | 17:57 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: first pciture is disassembled, it seems | 17:58 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: it's a nnormal fiet | 17:58 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: so directly abovd behind the platform/ramp | 17:58 |
| nacc | *above and behind | 17:58 |
| nacc | relative to the front of the bike | 17:59 |
| nacc | 3/9 is a better view | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, but that's out of kilter to my eye | 17:59 |
| nacc | only in the first photo | 17:59 |
| nacc | (at least, to me) | 17:59 |
| nacc | oerheks: pretty impressive :) | 18:00 |
| oerheks | Yes, the steering bar needs some work | 18:09 |
| oerheks | but the rest is sound, he says | 18:09 |
| oerheks | i don' t need it, but i think i can make someone happy, else i buy it myself. | 18:09 |
| oerheks | this one is 6 years old or so, new ones look like this.. https://www.vanraam.com/nl-nl/onze-fietsen/rolstoelfietsen | 18:13 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, that's more practical for the driver | 18:14 |
| TJ- | Recall I reported at the beginning of the Linux v4.14 development cycle that AMD adding sme_me_mask (for Secure Encrypted Memory) into the memory-manager sub-system brokke many modules because it caused any module using PAGE_TABLE to pull in the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL symbol - this broke nvidia and many other out-of-tree non-GPL drivers. I reported this upstream but Thomas Gleixner, the sub-system | 19:03 |
| TJ- | maintiainer, refused to change it. Well, at the last minute (after v4.14rc8 and before final, it's been fixed in commit 87df26175e67c26ccdd3a002fbbb8cde78e28a19 ... but I noticed in the commit sign-offs: "Despised-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>" :D | 19:03 |
| TJ- | So disaster averted at the 11th hour | 19:03 |
| nacc | heh that sounds like tglx to me | 19:03 |
| daftykins | why'd that fool want to intentionally maintain something causing so much breakage? | 19:04 |
| TJ- | It was the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL being pulled in via (a very common) use of PAGE_TABLE macros. Inadvertently, but painfully. Linus comments in the commit message that the symbol ought to be in lower layers to prevent it propogating into drivers from the memory-manager, but for now the symbol has been made EXPORT_SYMBOL. | 19:06 |
| nacc | daftykins: tglx, ime, does not care about out of tree stuff | 19:06 |
| nacc | most kernel devs don't | 19:07 |
| nacc | (speaking as a former kernel dev) | 19:07 |
| TJ- | indeed, and to a great extent I agree with him. What I don't agree on is creating a new GPL symbol that is relied on by lots of existing core code, causing regressions. | 19:07 |
| nacc | yeah | 19:07 |
| nacc | also that may or may not be entirely legit | 19:08 |
| nacc | depends on your interp. of the GPL and whether you get some entanglement there | 19:08 |
| nacc | while not changing the exposed licensure of an existing symbol, it in effect does :) | 19:08 |
| TJ- | As far as nvidia goes the legal analysis is identical to the ZFS issue | 19:08 |
| nacc | yeah | 19:08 |
| TJ- | you've got a body of existing code with it's own existing stable API. Then you create a shim that translates that API to the kernel's API, and the shim is GPL licensed | 19:09 |
| TJ- | The argument that the existing stable (non Linux, non GPL) code behind the external API is a derivative of Linux is obviously not true. Where the arguments arise is that the shim is a derivative (and correctly licensed as GPL) but is called from non GPL code which, the argument goes, is also a derivative. | 19:11 |
| nacc | yeah its' about the limits of the virality | 19:11 |
| TJ- | I don't agree with Canonical very often (or they don't agree with me!) but from a long time back my legal advice, and my own analysis, says the derivation does not carry into pre-existing separate body of code - -especially in cases like Nvidia and ZFS where that code is cross-platform and not derived from Linux. | 19:13 |
| nacc | yeah | 19:13 |
| nacc | that's my understanding as well | 19:13 |
| TJ- | on another topic, some fab hackers have got full JTAG debuf access to the Intel CSME at last. So visibility into the southbridge MINIX OS and I wouldn't be surprised if it leads to a way to completely replace the OS on the southbridge at some point | 19:41 |
| daftykins | :) | 19:41 |
| TJ- | Hopefully that plus a reduced EFI (like Google's NERF) will finally allow users/owners to control Rings -2 and -3 | 19:45 |
| daftykins | technically PCHs not southbridges anymore ;D | 19:46 |
| TJ- | It's quite scary realising there's a full network and device stack running and it ain't running on the CPU the user knows about, but on the CPU in the southbridge on the motherboard | 19:46 |
| TJ- | true, but the distinction is more helpful :) | 19:46 |
| daftykins | :> | 19:47 |
| TJ- | north vs south, I think, makes it easier to visualise the separation of concerns | 19:47 |
| TJ- | why is there ever a web-server in the MCE anyhow? | 19:48 |
| daftykins | bit cringe for the remote control features mmm | 19:48 |
| TJ- | For anyone interested (it's an easy read): https://schd.ws/hosted_files/osseu17/84/Replace%20UEFI%20with%20Linux.pdf | 19:52 |
| * Bashing-om ready to have fun now :) | 21:28 | |
| pauljw | hey Bashing-om :) | 21:37 |
| Bashing-om | pauljw: \o . Good day ? | 21:40 |
| pauljw | mostly Bashing-om, my primary system had a keyboard failure today, using my standby now... | 21:42 |
| Bashing-om | pauljw: Backups are good :) | 21:43 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:43 |
| pauljw | yep | 21:45 |
| pauljw | waiting on a quote from sys76 for a replacement... already have a used one coming from ebay, but it may or may not be in good shape. | 21:47 |
| Bashing-om | I use an Old Old commadore mechanical keyboard. would really be a pain to adapt to another . | 21:49 |
| pauljw | seems since i switched to laptops only they're all different. really don't like the sys76 one, chic-let style. | 21:51 |
| Bashing-om | pauljw: Being on different keyboards has ruined my typing skills :( getting back out of the habit of watching my fingers - yuk ! | 21:56 |
| daftykins | still itching to get my hands on that clients kids Lenovo to have a go at repairing | 21:56 |
| Bashing-om | sadly, daftykins - I am all caught up .. not even an old box to linux-install and pass along . | 21:59 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 22:00 |
| Bashing-om | The bright side is that I have the time to devote to the fall chores in readiness for Winter . | 22:02 |
| daftykins | that's a bright side!? | 22:02 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:02 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: When it comes to repairing a roof, or repairing a computer - the computer time wins every time :) | 22:04 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:05 |
| daftykins | oooh yes | 22:05 |
| daftykins | hopefully the case part turns up from aliexpress soon | 22:06 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Living on an island, at the mercy of the "shipping" . | 22:08 |
| daftykins | even worse from ali, that's China via the slow boat :D | 22:08 |
| daftykins | the option read "15 to 60 days" | 22:08 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: How long does it take you to get to the London aorport ? | 22:11 |
| daftykins | ah it's a 45 minute flight typically | 22:11 |
| daftykins | depends if you get the jet (fast) or the twin prop | 22:11 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Oh you have air servicve on the island ! Wonderful :) | 22:12 |
| daftykins | yep, costs a good £120 both ways usually though | 22:12 |
| daftykins | er as in £60 each direction minimum | 22:13 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Well, even so - sure beats walking :P | 22:14 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:14 |
| daftykins | tad soggy and cold this time of year yep :> | 22:14 |
| Bashing-om | LOL | 22:16 |
| daftykins | the ferry goes to the south coast too, usually £40 each way as a passenger only | 22:16 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Ouch ! They got you by the short hairs :) | 22:26 |
| daftykins | XD | 22:27 |
| daftykins | i like to think it's a way of keeping the locals at bay | 22:27 |
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