=== hggdh is now known as WieWoWasWozu [03:38] morning guys [03:38] heya lotus [03:42] hey oerheks [03:42] oerheks: early or late? [03:43] cannot sleep, again.. [03:44] reading the news, if no-one filed a sexual complaint, you mean nothing in Hollywood [03:46] easzero: welcome [03:58] !info jupyter [03:58] Package jupyter does not exist in artful [06:04] morning all [06:04] heya eric [06:05] hey oerheks [06:06] new Star Wars-trilogy comming, without those silly Skywalkers \0/ [06:07] hey EriC^^ [06:07] hey lotuspsychje [06:10] i never liked starwars [06:10] did you check jungle 2017 EriC^^ [06:10] nope saw the trailer [06:10] scary shit [06:10] based on real story lol [06:11] gonna watch it also [06:11] cool [06:11] google banned like 4 accounts for me [06:12] i even made the robot take 4mins between each move he does, woke up to a banned account [06:12] yeah you said that [06:12] :-( [06:12] their pretty smart [06:12] the problem is that they want a phone number for new accounts [06:12] they got much time at google, after a swim in their pool [06:13] yeah, how'd they figure out the last one though, it literally is making a comment every 30mins or more [06:13] lol [06:14] when i spammed the fuck out of them, i got 400 pages retrieved in like 6hours [06:14] i have to spam them [06:14] xD [06:15] lol [06:47] good morning all [06:49] ducasse, good morning [06:49] hey anyone running untiy7 on 17.10? [06:49] unity7 [07:02] hey ducasse & immu [07:03] lotuspsychje, hey all [07:04] brrr, so cold :( [07:05] how many as asked before are thinking or at least trying to set Unity7 on ubuntu1.10 :) [07:06] *17.10 [07:06] hey eric [07:08] Silly GUI morons. :P [07:09] jink meaning [07:09] i don't think you have any idea of how good Unity7 is [07:11] i am going to run unity7 on17.10 and report bugs for eventual support in 18.04 [07:12] Good morning [07:13] hey immu [07:13] hey how do u doing [07:13] u prayed your friday prayers [07:13] i'm christian (technically) and agnostic in reality [07:15] not unity on artful here [07:15] i recently learned how to make tortillas [07:15] it's so easy [07:15] how are you lordievader [07:15] i think i dreamt at night about making some [07:15] lol [07:16] lotuspsychje (IRC): Doing good here, how are you? [07:16] mycroft make tortilla [07:16] haha [07:16] great here [07:16] when will it happen! [07:16] soon :p [07:16] lol [07:16] IOT is comming to us [07:16] EriC^^: oh - can you give me the link to that pizza video you were talking about? i've been having homemade pizza urges lately :) [07:17] ducasse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCAPjIVOdJw [07:17] about the tortilla's i found 2 insanely easily and quick to make recipes [07:17] EriC^^: brilliant, thank you kind sir! [07:18] get tortilla bread, put hot dog in it, wrap it, put a tooth pick, fry it in oil on both sides, put some ketchup and mustard in a bowl and dip in it and eat [07:18] immu: I just don't care for GUIs. I don't usually run Ubuntu Desktop (Server only). And it's easy flamebait. :> [07:19] it's delicious, then for desert, get a tortilla bread, put nutella on it, put a banana in it and wrap it and eat [07:19] takes like 5mins to make them both, and it's very good [07:19] ducasse: no problem! [07:19] your choice jink as you like it [07:19] jink: no x server at all, just tty? [07:20] ducasse: I run Windows, mostly. Company policy. And on a VPS, it makes no sense to run X. [07:21] even at home you're not allowed to run linux? [07:21] Auch, Windows. [07:21] (that might sound stupider than i think it sounded) [07:21] lordievader: Ssssst. [07:21] EriC^^: I don't own a computer. Just my work laptop. [07:21] https://community.ubuntu.com/t/unity-7-continuation-call-for-developers-and-supporters/736/5 [07:21] jink: oh [07:22] EriC^^: No offence taken, btw. :) [07:22] jink: oh, no - that's pretty obvious, i'd say. so you _do_ use a gooey - windows. [07:22] ducasse: :P [07:22] we need windows for certain things [07:22] jink: all you need is a tty and tmux :-P [07:22] and its better to have a backup [07:22] brb [07:22] after an hour mate [07:22] Last time I used X was some 15-20 years ago, fvwm 1 on FreeBSD. :P [07:23] immu: Take your time. I'll be here for at least another 8 hours. [07:23] ducasse (IRC): You mean ssh and tmux ;) [07:23] sure all [07:23] lordievader: not necessarily, no :) [07:23] ducasse: It's screen, since I haven't made the move to tmux, yet, but sure. That'll work. [07:24] jink: i loved fvwm, kept using 1.24r for years and years [07:24] :D [07:24] Light, fast, awesome. [07:25] On Windows I use Cygwin, and I bound a terminal to a hotkey. Then ssh from there to wherever, and command-line perl awk shell, the works. [07:28] No Bash on Windows (or however it is called). [07:28] ? [07:38] is that wsl (windows subsystem for linux), or is that a different beast? [07:42] Oh, yeah. That's the one. [08:14] lordievader: Windows 7, so, not yet. Well, Cygwin bash, but not "native". [08:16] Ah, I see. [08:32] https://i.imgur.com/iAuvvCY.jpg [10:52] https://askubuntu.com/questions/559060/fast-pdf-reader-that-remembers-the-last-viewed-page [10:52] someone nom it for a bounty or something? [10:53] i'm personally looking for a pdf viewer with continuous scrolling that remembers the last page that i opened, and is not okular or evince. mupdf does not have continuous scrolling. [10:53] so it's similar to that question, but i also need continuous scrolling.. [11:15] yo amigos [11:28] 'sup immu? :) [11:48] back [11:53] jink, how u doing [11:53] hi ducasse EriC^^ have your seen bluecasse [11:56] Fine, at work. :) [11:58] Hey folks [12:00] Hey BluesKaj [12:00] Hi BluesKaj. [12:00] Hey lordievader, jink [12:00] How are you doing? [12:00] . · o ( is het al weekend? ) [12:01] g'morning BluesKaj \o [12:01] fine here, some snow and cold , wintery , how about you, lordievader [12:01] Hey ducasse [12:01] Rain.... further more, doing good. [12:10] hi immu [13:07] Hi everyone [13:08] 'Morning pauljw [13:09] hey BluesKaj :) [13:10] got an arctic blast here last night [13:10] :) same here, was 53F last evening and woke up to 27F this morning... brrr... [13:20] bright sunshine and clear cold air [13:22] the cold to a certain point doen't bother me much === pauljw_AOD257 is now known as pauljw === JanC is now known as Guest54856 === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon === nacc_ is now known as nacc [17:28] !ping [17:28] pong! [17:45] Hi EriC^^ [17:45] please be save, S.A. is crazy [17:49] hi oerheks [17:51] i am looking at a special bike, silly pricing, bicycle for a wheelchair .. https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/fietsen-en-brommers/fietsen-bakfietsen/m1223114177-bakfiets-rolstoelfiets-van-raam.html [17:57] where are the bike's control/handlebars to steer it [17:58] BluesKaj: first pciture is disassembled, it seems [17:58] BluesKaj: it's a nnormal fiet [17:58] BluesKaj: so directly abovd behind the platform/ramp [17:58] *above and behind [17:59] relative to the front of the bike [17:59] 3/9 is a better view [17:59] yeah, but that's out of kilter to my eye [17:59] only in the first photo [17:59] (at least, to me) [18:00] oerheks: pretty impressive :) [18:09] Yes, the steering bar needs some work [18:09] but the rest is sound, he says [18:09] i don' t need it, but i think i can make someone happy, else i buy it myself. [18:13] this one is 6 years old or so, new ones look like this.. https://www.vanraam.com/nl-nl/onze-fietsen/rolstoelfietsen [18:14] yeah, that's more practical for the driver [19:03] Recall I reported at the beginning of the Linux v4.14 development cycle that AMD adding sme_me_mask (for Secure Encrypted Memory) into the memory-manager sub-system brokke many modules because it caused any module using PAGE_TABLE to pull in the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL symbol - this broke nvidia and many other out-of-tree non-GPL drivers. I reported this upstream but Thomas Gleixner, the sub-system [19:03] maintiainer, refused to change it. Well, at the last minute (after v4.14rc8 and before final, it's been fixed in commit 87df26175e67c26ccdd3a002fbbb8cde78e28a19 ... but I noticed in the commit sign-offs: "Despised-by: Thomas Gleixner " :D [19:03] So disaster averted at the 11th hour [19:03] heh that sounds like tglx to me [19:04] why'd that fool want to intentionally maintain something causing so much breakage? [19:06] It was the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL being pulled in via (a very common) use of PAGE_TABLE macros. Inadvertently, but painfully. Linus comments in the commit message that the symbol ought to be in lower layers to prevent it propogating into drivers from the memory-manager, but for now the symbol has been made EXPORT_SYMBOL. [19:06] daftykins: tglx, ime, does not care about out of tree stuff [19:07] most kernel devs don't [19:07] (speaking as a former kernel dev) [19:07] indeed, and to a great extent I agree with him. What I don't agree on is creating a new GPL symbol that is relied on by lots of existing core code, causing regressions. [19:07] yeah [19:08] also that may or may not be entirely legit [19:08] depends on your interp. of the GPL and whether you get some entanglement there [19:08] while not changing the exposed licensure of an existing symbol, it in effect does :) [19:08] As far as nvidia goes the legal analysis is identical to the ZFS issue [19:08] yeah [19:09] you've got a body of existing code with it's own existing stable API. Then you create a shim that translates that API to the kernel's API, and the shim is GPL licensed [19:11] The argument that the existing stable (non Linux, non GPL) code behind the external API is a derivative of Linux is obviously not true. Where the arguments arise is that the shim is a derivative (and correctly licensed as GPL) but is called from non GPL code which, the argument goes, is also a derivative. [19:11] yeah its' about the limits of the virality [19:13] I don't agree with Canonical very often (or they don't agree with me!) but from a long time back my legal advice, and my own analysis, says the derivation does not carry into pre-existing separate body of code - -especially in cases like Nvidia and ZFS where that code is cross-platform and not derived from Linux. [19:13] yeah [19:13] that's my understanding as well [19:41] on another topic, some fab hackers have got full JTAG debuf access to the Intel CSME at last. So visibility into the southbridge MINIX OS and I wouldn't be surprised if it leads to a way to completely replace the OS on the southbridge at some point [19:41] :) [19:45] Hopefully that plus a reduced EFI (like Google's NERF) will finally allow users/owners to control Rings -2 and -3 [19:46] technically PCHs not southbridges anymore ;D [19:46] It's quite scary realising there's a full network and device stack running and it ain't running on the CPU the user knows about, but on the CPU in the southbridge on the motherboard [19:46] true, but the distinction is more helpful :) [19:47] :> [19:47] north vs south, I think, makes it easier to visualise the separation of concerns [19:48] why is there ever a web-server in the MCE anyhow? [19:48] bit cringe for the remote control features mmm [19:52] For anyone interested (it's an easy read): https://schd.ws/hosted_files/osseu17/84/Replace%20UEFI%20with%20Linux.pdf [21:28] * Bashing-om ready to have fun now :) [21:37] hey Bashing-om :) [21:40] pauljw: \o . Good day ? [21:42] mostly Bashing-om, my primary system had a keyboard failure today, using my standby now... [21:43] pauljw: Backups are good :) [21:43] :D [21:45] yep [21:47] waiting on a quote from sys76 for a replacement... already have a used one coming from ebay, but it may or may not be in good shape. [21:49] I use an Old Old commadore mechanical keyboard. would really be a pain to adapt to another . [21:51] seems since i switched to laptops only they're all different. really don't like the sys76 one, chic-let style. [21:56] pauljw: Being on different keyboards has ruined my typing skills :( getting back out of the habit of watching my fingers - yuk ! [21:56] still itching to get my hands on that clients kids Lenovo to have a go at repairing [21:59] sadly, daftykins - I am all caught up .. not even an old box to linux-install and pass along . [22:00] d'aww [22:02] The bright side is that I have the time to devote to the fall chores in readiness for Winter . [22:02] that's a bright side!? [22:02] :D [22:04] daftykins: When it comes to repairing a roof, or repairing a computer - the computer time wins every time :) [22:05] :D [22:05] oooh yes [22:06] hopefully the case part turns up from aliexpress soon [22:08] daftykins: Living on an island, at the mercy of the "shipping" . [22:08] even worse from ali, that's China via the slow boat :D [22:08] the option read "15 to 60 days" [22:11] daftykins: How long does it take you to get to the London aorport ? [22:11] ah it's a 45 minute flight typically [22:11] depends if you get the jet (fast) or the twin prop [22:12] daftykins: Oh you have air servicve on the island ! Wonderful :) [22:12] yep, costs a good £120 both ways usually though [22:13] er as in £60 each direction minimum [22:14] daftykins: Well, even so - sure beats walking :P [22:14] :D [22:14] tad soggy and cold this time of year yep :> [22:16] LOL [22:16] the ferry goes to the south coast too, usually £40 each way as a passenger only [22:26] daftykins: Ouch ! They got you by the short hairs :) [22:27] XD [22:27] i like to think it's a way of keeping the locals at bay