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[09:55] <mate|34130> Yo
[11:02] <ReedK2> hello?
[11:03] <ReedK2> Has anyone here on MATE successfully made a new theme?
[12:56] <bunker> hey guys, I got a problem after upgrading the system of my gf from 17.04 to 17.10. lightdm crashes all the time can't even switch to tty1 (maybe unrelated), but I have access through ssh
[12:59] <diogenes_> bunker, is your gf a developer? tester? hacker? :)
[13:00] <bunker> nope, but we like to use linux. ;-)
[13:00] <bunker> btw if she was, I wasn't solving her problem. ;D btw
[13:00] <diogenes_> bunker, I assume she likes to use her pc as a user not a power user or a developer right?
[13:01] <bunker> yes.
[13:01] <bunker> she is already 18 months on ubuntu mate, but now the upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10 got stuck
[13:01] <diogenes_> so, that's why there are so many brunches like stable, unstable, testing, lts, bla bla bla
[13:02] <diogenes_> if you intedn to use your pc like a normal user, then you should not upgrade to the unstable
[13:02] <bunker> thx for the lesson, but sadly enough that doesn't solve my problem
[13:02] <diogenes_> you should use LTS only, if you wanna test new stuff with the unstable, then be prapared to meet a whole bunch of new bugs which require a lot of time to get fixed
[13:03] <bunker> I know and then I try to figure out how to solve the problem which is what i'm doing now
[13:04] <diogenes_> if you haven't found any bug report on your problem, then most probably it's quite a new one and you should be the first person who should make a bug report
[13:04] <bunker> That I do also know, but what I
[13:04] <bunker> am trying to figure out is what could have caused the problem
[13:05] <diogenes_> and meanwhile, watching the sad face of your gf because she can't watch kittens on youtube :)
[13:05] <bunker> so that I can provide usefull info in the bug report and not just post a bug report saying it doens't work
[13:05] <sixwheeledbeast> unstable?
[13:05] <diogenes_> sixwheeledbeast, I mean regular, not lts
[13:05] <sixwheeledbeast> that's what alphas and betas are for. 17.10 should be fine
[13:06] <diogenes_> bunker, maybe try to make a new user?
[13:07] <bunker> diogenes_: lightdm crashes before I can even select a user.
[13:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I can understand if you have a heavily modified system or you run a server I would say sticking to LTS is sensible.
[13:08] <sixwheeledbeast> can you pull up syslog from your ssh
[13:08] <bunker> I get the splash screen and then everything stops.
[13:08] <bunker> when I check journalctl I see that lightdm has stopped
[13:08] <diogenes_> bunker, then try to boot with a live session (usb or dvd) and backup your .config folder, rename it, and then try to boot again
[13:09] <bunker> also i can login with ssh, so it is a graphical thing, going to backup and rename .config now. sec
[13:10] <diogenes_> bunker, also remove the file .Xauthority
[13:12] <bunker> sadly enough no dice, still the same problem.
[13:12] <diogenes_> did you reboot?
[13:12] <bunker> I guess it is gpu related, there is amd radeon rx560 installed
[13:12] <bunker> yes I rebooted.
[13:12] <bunker> and before upgrade I had amdgpu-pro installed
[13:12] <diogenes_> ok then give the the output of ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:13] <bunker> sec.
[13:13] <diogenes_> sorry not that one
[13:13] <diogenes_> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[13:13] <diogenes_> this one
[13:13] <diogenes_> and also the the output of cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if there is such a file)
[13:14] <bunker> it doens't exist
[13:14] <bunker> neither of them
[13:14] <diogenes_> ok then the output of ls /etc/X11
[13:15] <bunker> app-defaults  cursors  default-display-manager  fonts  rgb.txt  xinit  xkb  Xreset  Xreset.d  Xresources  Xsession  Xsession.d  Xsession.options  xsm  XvMCConfig  Xwrapper.config
[13:17] <diogenes_> cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[13:18] <bunker> /usr/sbin/lightdm
[13:19] <diogenes_> ok what's the error of: systemctl restart lightdm
[13:21] <bunker> it doesn't spit an error, checking journalctl now
[13:22] <bunker> annick org.a11y.atspi.Registry[2504]: XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
[13:22] <bunker> that's the first error I get
[13:22] <bunker> oeps copied a bit too much annick is her username
[13:24] <diogenes_> the output of this: dmesg | grep microcode
[13:25] <bunker> [    0.901875] microcode: sig=0x506e3, pf=0x2, revision=0xba
[13:25] <bunker> [    0.901952] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.
[13:27] <diogenes_> and: cat /etc/default/grub
[13:27] <diogenes_> only the kernel parameters line
[13:27] <diogenes_> npt the entire file
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[13:28] <bunker> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[13:28] <diogenes_> ok
[13:29] <bunker> all the rest is commented out.
[13:29] <diogenes_> you got an intel cpu?
[13:30] <sixwheeledbeast> Do you still have amdgpu-pro installed? Or did it get removed on upgrade?
[13:31] <bunker> yep intel cpu i3-6300 with a radeon rx560
[13:31] <bunker> sixwheeledbeast: I did remove, reboot still the same problem, did a reinstall with updated drivers had 17.35 now on 17.40
[13:31] <bunker> kernel uses amdgpu module
[13:32] <diogenes_> bunker, the output of: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
[13:32] <bunker> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Baffin [Polaris11] [1002:67ff] (rev cf)
[13:32] <bunker>         Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] Baffin [Radeon RX 560] [1462:8a91]
[13:32] <bunker>         Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
[13:32] <bunker>         Kernel modules: amdgpu
[13:33] <sixwheeledbeast> amdgpu is only officially compatible with 16.04, so I am wondering if you have tried an alternative to get the system to boot.
[13:35] <bunker> sixwheeledbeast: I haven't yet tried to use the SOC intel gpu
[13:35] <bunker> but I think I saw something in journalctl that could narrow down the prob.
[13:35] <bunker> gpu-manager[2577]: Error: can't open /lib/modules/4.13.0-16-generic/updates/dkms
[13:36] <bunker> gpu-manager does spit out some problems when I try to restart lightdm.
[13:37] <diogenes_> try this: find / -type f 2>/dev/null | grep "amdgpu-pro"
[13:37] <diogenes_> pay attention if you get something with uninstall in the title
[13:46] <bunker> yes and I did run this, but doing it again
[13:46] <bunker> ok, now I have a login screen that's already good.
[13:55] <bunker> now going to try to install amdgpu-pro again
[13:57] <bunker> rebooting and same problem, so apparently the amdgpu-pro is not yet compatible with 17.10
[13:57] <bunker> Ok, now I can make a bug report. ;-)
[13:58] <diogenes_> most likely
[13:59]  * diogenes_ feel great that he doesn't use amd gpus
[13:59] <bunker> nvidia isn't any better.
[13:59] <bunker> I got both of them in different systems, discrete graphics are just a problem with linux
[14:00] <diogenes_> it depends what model number
[14:00] <bunker> and if it wasn't for the opencl support for the amdgpu it wouldn't be using the amdgpu-pro drivers anyway
[14:01] <diogenes_> in my case, nvidia optimus works a lot much better on linux than on windows with the original driver
[14:01] <bunker> but darktable, gimp and inkscape make use of the opencl and that is only supported by amdgpu-pro
[14:02] <bunker> btw my gf is a pro designer and drawing artist, so she needs those programs. ;-) not to watch kittens on youtube. ;-)
[14:02] <diogenes_> lol, ok
[14:02] <bunker> thx for the help. Going to keep an eye on the amdgpu drivers and going to post the bug report.
[14:03] <diogenes_> no problem man, take care
[14:06] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't think it's a bug. it's just not compatible with them
[14:07] <bunker> sixwheeledbeast: that's for me a definition of a bug. ;-)
[14:08] <sixwheeledbeast> maybe manual rollback of kernel and x.org versions to the same as 16.04 would work?
[14:08] <bunker> going to submit it to amd also if I can find their bugtracker
[14:12] <sixwheeledbeast> if there is a reason they conflict or are not ABI compatible or whatever, then it isn't a bug IMO. Can you recover your personal files and go back to LTS?
[14:27] <denafig> hello
[14:28] <alkisg> Hello
[14:28] <denafig> what ppl doing here? =D
[14:28] <alkisg> Supporting people asking ubuntu questions
[14:29] <denafig> that is I came for
[14:29] <alkisg> Go ahead and ask then :)
[14:31] <denafig> I lost pannel of Alt+tab programms, did't understand how. It was a mssge about: go restart PC and it will be okay. But it is the same situation. Panel with run programms+desktop choosing. Have only trash basket on that panel at the momernt.
[14:34] <alkisg> Press Alt+Ctrl+T to get a terminal
[14:35] <denafig> yep
[14:35] <alkisg> then type this: setsid mate-panel --reset; sleep 1; setsid mate-panel --replace
[14:37] <denafig> it is magic
[14:37] <denafig> how did you do it =D thx alot
[14:37] <alkisg> eh, when you have thousands of students messing up the panels, you have to learn magic :D
[14:38] <denafig> need to record that for future
[15:42] <bunker> sixwheeledbeast: personal files are on a seperate software raid which is mounted as home, so no worries about that, but I don't want to go back to lts, I want to stay on current if possible
[16:00] <mater> hi
[16:00] <mater> =)
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <mater> hi mates
[16:16] <diogenes_> hi hi hi hi hi mater
[16:17] <mater> how to delete ubuntu mate without delete windows loader?
[16:17] <mater> sorry, my english is bad
[16:18] <diogenes_> well there is a workaround which is a very complicated one but, instead I'd recommend to go to windows and use easyBCD
[16:31] <hp-pavilion> my come and delet this uber crap
[16:31] <hp-pavilion> i hate fire fox its pecie or caca
[16:31] <diogenes_> hp-pavilion, nobody forces you to use firefox
[16:32] <hp-pavilion> it wont let change or go to factory defult
[16:32] <hp-pavilion> i was given the computer this way i did not buy it with this program
[16:32] <hp-pavilion> so yes i am forced
[16:33] <hp-pavilion> please help
[16:33] <diogenes_> hp-pavilion, first, eine momente, what do you want to achieve?
[16:34] <hp-pavilion> to put com to factory and load a difrent program with crome in it
[16:34] <diogenes_> so you want google chrome?
[16:34] <hp-pavilion> yes with windows
[16:35] <diogenes_> lol they both come separate
[16:35] <hp-pavilion> i know
[16:35] <diogenes_> do you ahve a windows dvd? (a licensed one)
[16:35] <hp-pavilion> yes
[16:36] <diogenes_> so just fire it up and install it, remove evey partition, create new ones, install windows, and enjoy the crapware
[16:36] <hp-pavilion> its better than this it ither dosent load programs i want to use i had to open up full firewall just to go on fb
[16:37] <hp-pavilion> so at least on the other lets me with security so which is crapy
[16:37] <hp-pavilion> at least crom works
[16:38] <hp-pavilion> if this worked id use it but it does not take 2 hrs to lad a website
[16:38] <hp-pavilion> load
[16:39] <diogenes_> hp-pavilion, before blaming the software think about if you have the needed skills for it, for instance, if you can't drive an aircraft, would you say that the aircraft is bad? or the problem lies in your skills to operate it
[16:41] <hp-pavilion> i have com skills i took in collage not the best but enough ive used vista lenex windows fedrial systems. but i would take a corurse if i wanted to fly a plane i tryed to look up how to use this the progrome wont even show
[16:42] <hp-pavilion> ither becuse its missing stuff to look i cant even get into setting on here
[16:43] <diogenes_> where did you take this pc from?
[16:43] <hp-pavilion> and even in school and in halfway house we dont use firefox it has way more isues of being hacked
[16:44] <diogenes_> again, firefox is not the issue, skills is the issue, I already told you what to do
[16:44] <hp-pavilion> it was gioven to me by a cusin
[16:44] <hp-pavilion> i tryed to load the window it wont
[16:45] <diogenes_> ok I'm not gonna help you with windows on here, if you want you can pm
[16:45] <hp-pavilion> thats fine i cant pm but have a good day
[16:46] <diogenes_> ok the same to you
[19:09] <jcfb> hello
[19:13] <xptriado> hi all! anyone here who still builds panel applets on gnome using  libpanel-applet library?
[19:44] <jcfb> anyone here?
[19:44] <diogenes_> yes
[20:57] <biggie> boon
[21:21] <biggie> hello
[21:25] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[22:30] <biggie> what do want talk about
[23:28] <mate|70904> STO INSTALLANDO LA NUOVA VERSIONE DI UBUNTU MATE MA ... MI TROVO IN UNA SITUAZIONE CHE NON RIESCO HA RISOLVERE ... potete dirmi come inviarmi una immagine.
[23:29] <mate|70904> come inviarvi una immagine
[23:31] <mate|70904> per favore non voglio stare qui tutta la notte!
[23:34] <mate|70904> è il canale giusto , per domande tecniche?
[23:36] <mate|70904> vorrei finire l'installazione, mi aiutate!  si è aperto il terminale ma non so cosa devo scrivere per farlo proseguire
[23:39] <mate|70904> file:///home/fabio/Immagini/Schermata%20a%202017-11-11%2000-29-38.png
[23:39] <mate|70904> qualcuno può rispondermi