| MooDoo | howdy all | 07:35 |
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| SuperMatt | morning | 08:36 |
| MooDoo | morning matey :) | 08:42 |
| SuperMatt | After today, I will have covered most of the difficult work I have assigned to me, so I can start coasting until the new job in the new year :) | 08:42 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:47 |
| zmoylan-samj3 | morning mammals | 09:22 |
| SuperMatt | Yes. I am a mammal | 09:22 |
| SuperMatt | definitely not a lizard person | 09:22 |
| * zmoylan-samj3 has seen v and leaves a cage of mice in the room... | 09:27 | |
| diddledan | https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Longcross+Studios/@51.3835918,-0.5819911,187m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x21d6d7c791c6a1b7!8m2!3d51.3832643!4d-0.5938267 | 11:39 |
| * zmoylan-samj3 wanders back and surepticiously counts the mice | 12:42 | |
| diddledan | leave those mice alone! | 13:47 |
| zmoylan-pixi | try the cage of lemmings instead. they've been feeling really down... | 13:55 |
| daftykins | diddledan: hrmm can i pick your brain about a website thingy? a client is going on about his location being wrong on a supplier's "find a stockist" feature, but the google maps result is using a lat and long which is puzzling | 15:03 |
| daftykins | https://www.premierbathroomcollection.co.uk/how-to-order?search=GY1 | 15:06 |
| daftykins | that's the offending page | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | it works for me | 15:08 |
| diddledan | is he using a mobile device? | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | but i have modified firefox config to hardcode the lat/lon it sends to websites, so that it is actually correct | 15:09 |
| diddledan | if not then it can only use IP geolocation which in the UK is very bad | 15:09 |
| daftykins | it's got a pin on the map, but it's against a lat and long that's wrong | 15:10 |
| diddledan | the pins are for stores, not his location | 15:10 |
| daftykins | i know, but that isn't a store either | 15:11 |
| diddledan | then the website has incorrect store data | 15:11 |
| daftykins | he's got a business location and that's in the correct place on google maps, so what's generating this lat and long of 49.471575000000 -2.555826000000 | 15:11 |
| daftykins | ? | 15:11 |
| diddledan | nothing is generating it. the data the website is using from it's own database is wrong | 15:11 |
| daftykins | oh ok so they are holding some info | 15:12 |
| daftykins | i just tried to phone but the secretary had no idea who to put me through to to ask who runs the website, then i got hung up on for a transfer :D | 15:12 |
| daftykins | surprise surprise | 15:12 |
| diddledan | yes, google store location maps embedded on a website require that website to provide the store locations | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | have him go to https://www.infobyip.com/browsergeolocation.php | 15:12 |
| daftykins | it doesn't have anything to do with where it thinks he is, ali1234 | 15:13 |
| daftykins | in the example link it's feeding the site GY1 as a postcode, then the first result is his firm which just happens to have a wrong spot | 15:14 |
| ali1234 | oh, i see | 15:14 |
| daftykins | appreciate the input though, i thought this was purely maps API based results, so that's funky | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | maps does have an API that turns an address into lat/lon | 15:16 |
| daftykins | if so, the postcode for his shop is wrong versus what google maps returns when you visit it manually | 15:17 |
| daftykins | actually no it's not, it's what GY2 4QH comes up as | 15:17 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 15:17 |
| daftykins | and maps is notoriously inaccurate for postcodes over here, is it equally bad in England? | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | its pretty good whenever i've used it | 15:18 |
| daftykins | GY2 4QJ on the other hand finds him pretty closely | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | maybe he doesn't know his own postcode... wouldn't be the first time | 15:18 |
| daftykins | certainly possible | 15:19 |
| ali1234 | royal mail says it is QH | 15:22 |
| daftykins | yeah, just phoned the local post office for fun (since technically we don't have RM) and they said it's fine | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | so i'm gonna blame google here | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | though it does not help that royal mail won't release the postcode database | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | (or whoever it is that runs it) | 15:26 |
| daftykins | yeah, lady just then told me that they're using google maps for some software but that it's wrong - seems odd that they'd use an incorrect source | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | you can try reporting it to google | 15:29 |
| daftykins | i'm of the mind to tell him to ask the above supplier to change their entry for him to the wrong postcode, so it then comes up in the right place | 15:33 |
| daftykins | meanwhile i could try that as well, yeah | 15:34 |
| ali1234 | the business appears to be actually listed on the map | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | but not claimed | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | and it is listed as 4QJ | 15:37 |
| diddledan | oops :-p | 15:37 |
| ali1234 | but there's one right next to it listed as 4QH | 15:37 |
| diddledan | perhaps it's a hisenstore? | 15:38 |
| diddledan | heisen* | 15:39 |
| daftykins | really? when i'm on google maps i only see the one Bathroom Emporium - sort of between the English & Guernsey Pub and "ATAN AHAN" | 15:40 |
| ali1234 | no i mean one of the other unrelated businesses nearby is listed as QH | 15:40 |
| daftykins | oic | 15:40 |
| ali1234 | so that's obviously not where google gets that data from | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | some of the others nearby are listed as QJ as well | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | so it is inconclusive. i can't find an independent website that lists any of them as QJ | 15:41 |
| daftykins | amusingly QJ is a road behind those buildings which doesn't exist on maps | 15:43 |
| daftykins | i should draw it in | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | ah here we go https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/code-point-open.html | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | that's what google is getting the data from | 15:43 |
| * diddledan watches daftykins try to draw on his monitor | 15:43 | |
| * diddledan then, once the sharpie is pocketed again, scrolls the map a bit | 15:43 | |
| ali1234 | but the polygon version (ie boundries showing what is/isn't included) is not available for free | 15:44 |
| daftykins | diddledan: RUINED! | 15:44 |
| daftykins | i had an email the other day to say that 1,000 people looked at the pics i added to an ice cream kiosk on the south cliffs, pretty impressive | 15:46 |
| daftykins | as in, added to its' google maps entry of course | 15:46 |
| daftykins | https://goo.gl/maps/SeqmdtZhY7U2 | 15:47 |
| daftykins | mine are all the ones that aren't wonky | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | hah... cope point open doesn't have GY at all | 15:48 |
| diddledan | gotta love woodgrain: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pq9KoAB3/Screenshot%20from%202017-11-10%2015-47-52.png | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | no wonder its all messed up | 15:48 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:52 |
| m0nkey_ | diddledan: if you love woodgrain, you'll love LGR | 15:53 |
| diddledan | :-p that's where I got the pic from | 15:53 |
| daftykins | lol | 15:53 |
| m0nkey_ | Then you want these.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiQCbocAEtQ | 15:53 |
| diddledan | splecifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjYkPKRm-8 | 15:53 |
| daftykins | ok i told google they have a missing road, but there was no way to include some of my amazing mspaint artwork | 15:54 |
| zmoylan-pixi2 | i did see a wondwrful story of a place in usa that regularly gets visitors fron police and people insisting their stolen property is thete | 16:11 |
| zmoylan-pixi2 | some gps bug has default fallback locations wheb it gets confused | 16:12 |
| zmoylan-pixi2 | https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/26/people-keep-going-to-this-home-looking-for-their-lost-phones-and-nobody-knows-why/ | 16:16 |
| diddledan | I used to pine after a BIOS setup like this: https://youtu.be/fbjYkPKRm-8?t=2025 | 16:23 |
| daftykins | for all those times you need to enter it ;) | 16:24 |
| daftykins | i think a mates Tiny brand PC had one of those, with mouse support too | 16:24 |
| daftykins | same machine that had its' PATA ribbons glued in, ace | 16:25 |
| m0nkey_ | Damn it's cold here today | 17:05 |
| m0nkey_ | It's -7C | 17:05 |
| m0nkey_ | With the wind, it's -19C | 17:05 |
| daftykins | sheesh! | 17:11 |
| daftykins | you're welcome to that :> | 17:11 |
| diddledan | the intel management engine confuses me: why would you need an x86 cpu to be able to start-up your x86 cpu?! https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/ | 22:59 |
| daftykins | once Xzibit was hired, things were bound to go south... bridge | 23:03 |
| daftykins | (not really, PCH) | 23:03 |
| diddledan | I like the quote from Andrew Tanenbaum: "The only thing that would have been nice is that after the project had been finished and the chip deployed, that someone from Intel would have told me, just as a courtesy, that MINIX was now probably the most widely used operating system in the world on x86 computers. That certainly wasn't required in any way, but I think it would have been polite to give me a heads up, | 23:05 |
| diddledan | that's all." | 23:05 |
| daftykins | :> | 23:06 |
| zmoylan-pixi | i wonder what os the amd equivalent uses... | 23:19 |
| daftykins | hah, nah they work hard just to try and get their kit working | 23:21 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: Everything is quite complex now; qualcomm ARM chips in mobiles have another ARM to get them going; Power server chips have a little PPC to get them going | 23:23 |
| daftykins | yep, Xzibit on the scene | 23:25 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: In theory one advantage of using a separate processor is that you can't misuse the main processor to overwrite firmware etc because it's controlled by the other processor | 23:25 |
| diddledan | but if a cpu needs a cpu to get it going, then what starts that other cpu?! | 23:25 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: It's simple enough to start itself | 23:25 |
| daftykins | i can only imagine the kinds of evil malware this can lead to | 23:26 |
| diddledan | sounds like voodoo to me | 23:26 |
| daftykins | ransomware threatening to zero your disks on next reboot ;D | 23:27 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: No, to wipe your bios on the next reboot | 23:27 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 23:27 |
| diddledan | at least a zeroed disk can be recovered. bricking the hardware is expensive, and spying can be even more lucrative for the crims | 23:27 |
| daftykins | well, re-used, not recovered :D | 23:28 |
| diddledan | yeah, you need a backupslowly | 23:28 |
| diddledan | left hand down a bit | 23:28 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I don't think Intel were doing anything particularly nasty; it's just innevitable that when there's code there it'll get broken - even if there aim of part of the ME stuff was to make it harder to break the code | 23:32 |
| daftykins | oh i'm not claiming they were | 23:33 |
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