[07:35] <MooDoo> howdy all
[08:36] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:42] <MooDoo> morning matey :)
[08:42] <SuperMatt> After today, I will have covered most of the difficult work I have assigned to me, so I can start coasting until the new job in the new year :)
[08:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:22] <zmoylan-samj3> morning mammals
[09:22] <SuperMatt> Yes. I am a mammal
[09:22] <SuperMatt> definitely not a lizard person
[09:27]  * zmoylan-samj3 has seen v and leaves a cage of mice in the room...
[11:39] <diddledan> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Longcross+Studios/@51.3835918,-0.5819911,187m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x21d6d7c791c6a1b7!8m2!3d51.3832643!4d-0.5938267
[12:42]  * zmoylan-samj3 wanders back and surepticiously counts the mice
[13:47] <diddledan> leave those mice alone!
[13:55] <zmoylan-pixi> try the cage of lemmings instead. they've been feeling really down...
[15:03] <daftykins> diddledan: hrmm can i pick your brain about a website thingy? a client is going on about his location being wrong on a supplier's "find a stockist" feature, but the google maps result is using a lat and long which is puzzling
[15:06] <daftykins> https://www.premierbathroomcollection.co.uk/how-to-order?search=GY1
[15:06] <daftykins> that's the offending page
[15:08] <ali1234> it works for me
[15:09] <diddledan> is he using a mobile device?
[15:09] <ali1234> but i have modified firefox config to hardcode the lat/lon it sends to websites, so that it is actually correct
[15:09] <diddledan> if not then it can only use IP geolocation which in the UK is very bad
[15:10] <daftykins> it's got a pin on the map, but it's against a lat and long that's wrong
[15:10] <diddledan> the pins are for stores, not his location
[15:11] <daftykins> i know, but that isn't a store either
[15:11] <diddledan> then the website has incorrect store data
[15:11] <daftykins> he's got a business location and that's in the correct place on google maps, so what's generating this lat and long of 49.471575000000 -2.555826000000
[15:11] <daftykins> ?
[15:11] <diddledan> nothing is generating it. the data the website is using from it's own database is wrong
[15:12] <daftykins> oh ok so they are holding some info
[15:12] <daftykins> i just tried to phone but the secretary had no idea who to put me through to to ask who runs the website, then i got hung up on for a transfer :D
[15:12] <daftykins> surprise surprise
[15:12] <diddledan> yes, google store location maps embedded on a website require that website to provide the store locations
[15:12] <ali1234> have him go to https://www.infobyip.com/browsergeolocation.php
[15:13] <daftykins> it doesn't have anything to do with where it thinks he is, ali1234
[15:14] <daftykins> in the example link it's feeding the site GY1 as a postcode, then the first result is his firm which just happens to have a wrong spot
[15:14] <ali1234> oh, i see
[15:15] <daftykins> appreciate the input though, i thought this was purely maps API based results, so that's funky
[15:16] <ali1234> maps does have an API that turns an address into lat/lon
[15:17] <daftykins> if so, the postcode for his shop is wrong versus what google maps returns when you visit it manually
[15:17] <daftykins> actually no it's not, it's what GY2 4QH comes up as
[15:17] <ali1234> yeah
[15:18] <daftykins> and maps is notoriously inaccurate for postcodes over here, is it equally bad in England?
[15:18] <ali1234> its pretty good whenever i've used it
[15:18] <daftykins> GY2 4QJ on the other hand finds him pretty closely
[15:18] <ali1234> maybe he doesn't know his own postcode... wouldn't be the first time
[15:19] <daftykins> certainly possible
[15:22] <ali1234> royal mail says it is QH
[15:25] <daftykins> yeah, just phoned the local post office for fun (since technically we don't have RM) and they said it's fine
[15:25] <ali1234> so i'm gonna blame google here
[15:25] <ali1234> though it does not help that royal mail won't release the postcode database
[15:26] <ali1234> (or whoever it is that runs it)
[15:28] <daftykins> yeah, lady just then told me that they're using google maps for some software but that it's wrong - seems odd that they'd use an incorrect source
[15:29] <ali1234> you can try reporting it to google
[15:33] <daftykins> i'm of the mind to tell him to ask the above supplier to change their entry for him to the wrong postcode, so it then comes up in the right place
[15:34] <daftykins> meanwhile i could try that as well, yeah
[15:35] <ali1234> the business appears to be actually listed on the map
[15:35] <ali1234> but not claimed
[15:37] <ali1234> and it is listed as 4QJ
[15:37] <diddledan> oops :-p
[15:37] <ali1234> but there's one right next to it listed as 4QH
[15:38] <diddledan> perhaps it's a hisenstore?
[15:39] <diddledan> heisen*
[15:40] <daftykins> really? when i'm on google maps i only see the one Bathroom Emporium - sort of between the English & Guernsey Pub and "ATAN AHAN"
[15:40] <ali1234> no i mean one of the other unrelated businesses nearby is listed as QH
[15:40] <daftykins> oic
[15:41] <ali1234> so that's obviously not where google gets that data from
[15:41] <ali1234> some of the others nearby are listed as QJ as well
[15:41] <ali1234> so it is inconclusive. i can't find an independent website that lists any of them as QJ
[15:43] <daftykins> amusingly QJ is a road behind those buildings which doesn't exist on maps
[15:43] <daftykins> i should draw it in
[15:43] <ali1234> ah here we go https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/code-point-open.html
[15:43] <ali1234> that's what google is getting the data from
[15:43]  * diddledan watches daftykins try to draw on his monitor
[15:43]  * diddledan then, once the sharpie is pocketed again, scrolls the map a bit
[15:44] <ali1234> but the polygon version (ie boundries showing what is/isn't included) is not available for free
[15:44] <daftykins> diddledan: RUINED!
[15:46] <daftykins> i had an email the other day to say that 1,000 people looked at the pics i added to an ice cream kiosk on the south cliffs, pretty impressive
[15:46] <daftykins> as in, added to its' google maps entry of course
[15:47] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/SeqmdtZhY7U2
[15:47] <daftykins> mine are all the ones that aren't wonky
[15:48] <ali1234> hah... cope point open doesn't have GY at all
[15:48] <diddledan> gotta love woodgrain:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pq9KoAB3/Screenshot%20from%202017-11-10%2015-47-52.png
[15:48] <ali1234> no wonder its all messed up
[15:52] <daftykins> :D
[15:53] <m0nkey_> diddledan: if you love woodgrain, you'll love LGR
[15:53] <diddledan> :-p that's where I got the pic from
[15:53] <daftykins> lol
[15:53] <m0nkey_> Then you want these.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiQCbocAEtQ
[15:53] <diddledan> splecifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjYkPKRm-8
[15:54] <daftykins> ok i told google they have a missing road, but there was no way to include some of my amazing mspaint artwork
[16:11] <zmoylan-pixi2> i did see a wondwrful story of a place in usa that regularly gets visitors fron police and people insisting their stolen property is thete
[16:12] <zmoylan-pixi2> some gps bug has default fallback locations wheb it gets confused
[16:16] <zmoylan-pixi2> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/26/people-keep-going-to-this-home-looking-for-their-lost-phones-and-nobody-knows-why/
[16:23] <diddledan> I used to pine after a BIOS setup like this: https://youtu.be/fbjYkPKRm-8?t=2025
[16:24] <daftykins> for all those times you need to enter it ;)
[16:24] <daftykins> i think a mates Tiny brand PC had one of those, with mouse support too
[16:25] <daftykins> same machine that had its' PATA ribbons glued in, ace
[17:05] <m0nkey_> Damn it's cold here today
[17:05] <m0nkey_> It's -7C
[17:05] <m0nkey_> With the wind, it's -19C
[17:11] <daftykins> sheesh!
[17:11] <daftykins> you're welcome to that :>
[22:59] <diddledan> the intel management engine confuses me: why would you need an x86 cpu to be able to start-up your x86 cpu?! https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
[23:03] <daftykins> once Xzibit was hired, things were bound to go south... bridge
[23:03] <daftykins> (not really, PCH)
[23:05] <diddledan> I like the quote from Andrew Tanenbaum: "The only thing that would have been nice is that after the project had been finished and the chip deployed, that someone from Intel would have told me, just as a courtesy, that MINIX was now probably the most widely used operating system in the world on x86 computers. That certainly wasn't required in any way, but I think it would have been polite to give me a heads up,
[23:05] <diddledan> that's all."
[23:06] <daftykins> :>
[23:19] <zmoylan-pixi> i wonder what os the amd equivalent uses...
[23:21] <daftykins> hah, nah they work hard just to try and get their kit working
[23:23] <penguin42> diddledan: Everything is quite complex now; qualcomm ARM chips in mobiles have another ARM to get them going; Power server chips have a little PPC to get them going
[23:25] <daftykins> yep, Xzibit on the scene
[23:25] <penguin42> diddledan: In theory one advantage of using a separate processor is that you can't misuse the main processor to overwrite firmware etc because it's controlled by the other processor
[23:25] <diddledan> but if a cpu needs a cpu to get it going, then what starts that other cpu?!
[23:25] <penguin42> diddledan: It's simple enough to start itself
[23:26] <daftykins> i can only imagine the kinds of evil malware this can lead to
[23:26] <diddledan> sounds like voodoo to me
[23:27] <daftykins> ransomware threatening to zero your disks on next reboot ;D
[23:27] <penguin42> daftykins: No, to wipe your bios on the next reboot
[23:27] <daftykins> \o/
[23:27] <diddledan> at least a zeroed disk can be recovered. bricking the hardware is expensive, and spying can be even more lucrative for the crims
[23:28] <daftykins> well, re-used, not recovered :D
[23:28] <diddledan> yeah, you need a backupslowly
[23:28] <diddledan> left hand down a bit
[23:32] <penguin42> daftykins: I don't think Intel were doing anything particularly nasty; it's just innevitable that when there's code there it'll get broken - even if there aim of part of the ME stuff was to make it harder to break the code
[23:33] <daftykins> oh i'm not claiming they were