[09:55] <viewer|55401> hello, I encountered odd upgrade probelem where installing the last initrd.image....48.generic failed due to out of disk space. the boot partition is 250MB and 6mb free
[09:58] <viewer|55401> so all from terminal Isudo rm about 6 initrd.image...xyz.generics dated from consecutive years past. I leave the initrd.46.generic file  and the there is 120mb free
[09:59] <viewer|55401> so I do the sudo apt-get -f upgrade  and it runs through for over half an hr or more and then fails installing initrd....48.generic due to out of disk space on partition boot.
[10:01] <viewer|55401> and all the initrd.image....30-38 range .generic files all came back dateed today instead of years ago.,
[10:02] <viewer|55401> yes I actually backed up the boot partition before doing anything ;^)
[10:10] <viewer|55401> aside from being curious why it regenerated the previous years initrd files, I am more curious if there is another option  to upgrade besides Resizing the Boot Partition?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:47] <ned300889> howdy blueskaj
[11:47] <BluesKaj> hi ned300889
[11:49] <ned300889> what brings you here this morn
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I'm here every morning :-)
[11:51] <ned300889> i suppose there's worse way's to pass time :-)
[11:52] <BluesKaj> usually up early so this ia what I do most mornings
[11:52] <BluesKaj> ia=is
[11:55] <ned300889> ahhh fair enough then.I need to get on with things anyhow so was nice having a brief chat will be back online laters.,#
[12:04] <jonah> does anyone know how I can get two monitors fired up? I'm on Intel video drivers but both screens just show the same thing... Display settings also just show one monitor. any help really appreciated
[12:04] <jonah> i'm running 17.10
[12:05] <BluesKaj> !crosspost
[12:05] <BluesKaj> jonah, ^
[12:06] <jonah> BluesKaj: Hi sorry I asked in ubuntu first as usually I get more users responding there but after no replies for a while thought I'd best ask here too as I use Kubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> jonah, muliple monitors isn't my strong suit...kde/plasma has problems with them on various gpus
[12:11] <jonah> BluesKaj: is xorg.conf no longer used in ubuntu/kubuntu these days?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ubuntu uses wayland as an option at login I believe , kde plasma does not ..and nouveau is the only driver for nvidia gpus that support wayland on kde
[12:14] <BluesKaj> so kde/plasma default is still X11/xorg
[12:17] <jonah> BluesKaj: ah ok so if I try set up an xorg.conf file it will still read it in kubuntu then?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> yes , afaik
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Syams Qomar , this Kubuntu support only, not a chit chat channel
[14:23] <xstreuner> Hi everyone. I have just resumed my computer from suspension and I have no sound (from neither headphones or pc speakers). I'm on kubuntu 17.10 (but I had this problem also with ubuntu 16.04.3)
[14:30] <casa> !list
[15:23] <floogy> Hi, what is the default kind to start pulseaudio in KDE on logon or bootup?
[15:23] <floogy> I got no sound unless I issue pulseaudio -D manually in a bash terminal.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> floogy, try /usr/bin/pulseaudio
[15:24] <floogy> What do you mean by saying try pulseaudio? which pulseaudio points to that file, so I did already, but manually.
[15:26] <floogy> Put it into a self created bash script, I guess. But I'm wondering what might be the default method in kde@ubuntu.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> or make a bash scrpt with kate in your /home/user dir and place it in system settings>startup and shutdown>autostart>scriptfile
[15:28] <BluesKaj> placing the path to pulsaudio namely /usr/bin/pulseaudio in the script should start it
[15:28] <BluesKaj> it works in the konsole
[15:32] <floogy> >Yes, I know. Still eager to know the default way to do it ;)
[15:34] <BluesKaj> floogy, you are missing a lib file somewhere
[15:37] <floogy> Blueskay, do you mean  `sudo egrep -v '^;|^#|^ *$'  /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service | grep Exec`
[15:40] <floogy> What gives ls -lhd /etc/systemd/system/{pu,pa}*
[15:40] <floogy>  on your system, BluesKaj?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> floogy, to autocomplete users nicks type the fidrst 3 letters or so then use the tab key
[15:42] <BluesKaj>  /usr/bin/pulseaudio invokes the app in the konsole ...try it
[15:43] <BluesKaj> read what i write pls
[15:45] <ZetFury> alt+shift+f12 stop/start compositor, but can this be done via terminal too?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ok ...BBL
[15:49] <floogy> BluesKaj, you're saying "<BluesKaj> floogy, you are missing a lib file somewhere", therefore I pointed to such a lib file. Then I asked what your systemd folder contains beginning with pa or pu. Maybe I'm missing a link in that systemd folder to enable the service systemwide
[15:50] <floogy> BluesKaj, have a nice evening, thank you.
[15:53] <jonah> Hi I just got this motherboard and I'm finding the integrated intel graphics in kde awful: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370M%20Pro4/
[15:53] <jonah> when I scroll in firefox it is all choppy - is that normal??
[16:30] <aiena> just migrate from suse KDE to kubuntu. I just noticed that when I am zooming in to images, zooming in in inkscape I notice a bit of lag and I dont know the term screen tearing. It is not a hardware limitation because I have a GTX 1070 and the proprietary nvidia drivers. Is there something ik KDE triggering this?
[16:31] <aiena> It never happened on suse KDE qhich was als kf5 but with an older Qt
[16:31] <aiena> this is kubuntu 17.10
[16:35] <aiena> hmm seems like an nvidia issue
[17:16] <BluesKaj> aiena, install kubuntu-restricted-extras, that might help
[17:17] <aiena> BluesKaj: it was actually "sync to vblank" being off by default in nvidia settings that was causing the tearing
[17:17] <aiena> it became buttery smooth the moment that was enabled
[17:18] <aiena> come to think of it this had been he issue before too but it was so long back I forgot about it
[17:18] <aiena> *the
[17:18] <BluesKaj> aiena, , good to hear, must be an oversight, similar to the automute in alsamixer left on by default
[17:19] <aiena> so it was a GPU setting I was looking in the wrong places example compositor it may have nothing to do with KDE too
[17:21] <BluesKaj> in nvidia X server settings
[17:25] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll make note of that, altho mine was turned on, and I don't recall doing so.
[17:27] <CoJaBo> How do I disable write-protect in an SDcard slot?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, unmount it
[17:30] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: ..?
[17:30] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: There's not even a filesystem on the card; I can't write one, because it thinks it's read-only
[17:35] <BluesKaj> does lsblk show it
[17:39] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, try this, sudo usermod -G disk --append username
[17:40] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: lsblk shows it, says it's readonly
[17:40] <CoJaBo> Not sure whayt usermod would have to do with this
[17:40] <BluesKaj> the run the command above it will your sernqame to the disk group
[17:40] <BluesKaj> then
[17:41] <BluesKaj> add
[17:41] <CoJaBo> Root doesn't have those restrictions..
[17:42] <CoJaBo> The actual device is showing up read-only; I need to override that somehow
[17:42] <BluesKaj> oops username ..I need more light
[17:43] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, ok ,look  here if you're skeptical https://askubuntu.com/questions/249376/read-only-sd-cards
[17:44] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: That answer is definitely wrong
[17:45] <CoJaBo> Someone should report that answer actually, because running that command can break the system
[17:45] <CoJaBo> 1 vote lol  "You need to be a member of group 'disk' to be able to write to the SD card." This is wrong and dangerous. – ijk Dec 11 '15 at 23:44
[17:46] <BluesKaj> oh really? well I guess youknow better than me then so you can find the correct answer on your own.
[17:47] <CoJaBo> I can't find the correct answer, but I know that wrecking user permissions is not going to fix a problem with root :P
[17:49] <BluesKaj> that's only adding your username to the disk group , not wrecking user permissions .
[17:50] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: You can't add root to groups; that doesn't make sense
[17:50] <BluesKaj> it's not root it's user
[17:50] <CoJaBo> Root is the user
[17:51] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[17:51] <BluesKaj> nevermind I'm done here
[17:52] <CoJaBo> Allowing arbitrary users full R/W access to raw partitions is just... insane
[17:52] <BluesKaj>  arbitrary users?
[17:52] <CoJaBo> Anything non-root
[17:52] <BluesKaj> good luck
[17:53] <CoJaBo> I think the cardreader is effectively dead. Another brand-new defective laptop :/
[17:53] <BluesKaj> besides you're crossposting anyway
[17:54] <CoJaBo> Because noone here can answer
 I have the latest update of Kubuntu and Plasma. Is there any way to remove the folder that represents the desktop? I mean, I do not want an active folder, only the wallpaper. I tried the desktop options but there is no option for that.  Thank you.
[18:54] <viewer|45395> geepers I got a real stuck problem here. I posted at 9am. out of space on boot partition fails to install initrd.image....48.generic.
 @IMR3D, In Desktop setting, set layout to 'Desktop' instead of folder view
[18:55] <viewer|45395> After reboot, no go, GRUB boot off initrd.image.3.13.38 recovery mode
[18:56] <BluesKaj> IMR3D right click on the desktop, choose 'configure desktop', then choose 'Desktop" in Layout instead of 'Folder View"
[18:56] <viewer|45395> used dpkg fix pacakges and it runs through and fails for out of space on /boot for initrd.image.48 ithink.
 Thanks, Rik, i can change it
[18:57] <viewer|45395> mostimportantlly fromthe recovery menu I was able to boot and now have this desktop running. thank god the browser opened automatically because the font is so tiny I can read anything except the contents of a webpage with big font increases
[18:58] <viewer|45395> how do I increase the size of desktop fonts? I cant see any of the words
[18:59] <BluesKaj> viewer|45395, system settings>fonts
[18:59] <viewer|45395> i just opened terminal but small window and impossible to read font
[19:00] <BluesKaj> viewer|45395, Kmenu> system settings>fonts
[19:01] <viewer|45395> so i loook at Kmenu and cant read the words. teh GEAR icon or the crossed tools icon?
[19:01] <viewer|45395> teh gear icononly has the submenu items
[19:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:01] <viewer|45395> the crossed tools icon has about 10 icons on it
[19:02] <BluesKaj> not sunmenu , there are actual apps
[19:02] <viewer|45395> i do have a terminal open though and if there is a command line i could type might be more srtaight forward
[19:03] <BluesKaj> the gui is much easier to use
[19:03] <BluesKaj> in this case
[19:03] <viewer|45395> if i can read it.
 @IMR3D, Great 😀
[19:03] <viewer|45395> ok so i am yours , ive done lots of tech support but there is a visual problem on the screen
[19:03] <BluesKaj> are you running as root or somethin?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> or o0n a big screen monitor /tv?
[19:05] <viewer|45395> hmmmm during boot recovery , it asked for password, after dpkg repair and going to boot normal, it brouhgt up desktop without request to login
[19:05] <viewer|45395> ya this flat tv toshiba
[19:05] <viewer|45395> it is my friends box :( i hope i dint fuck it entierly
[19:06] <viewer|45395> still I can see the icons but cant read the words.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> if you can manage to get into system settings , the icon has wrench and hammer crossed
[19:06] <viewer|45395> ok wrench hammer i seee that one
[19:07] <viewer|45395> whats the font icon?
[19:07] <viewer|45395> it has three icons
[19:07] <viewer|45395> i take the bottom one
[19:07] <BluesKaj> double T
[19:07] <viewer|45395> also a crossed tool
[19:07] <viewer|45395> aha
[19:08] <viewer|45395> now in TT
[19:08] <viewer|45395> but cant really read it arg
[19:08] <BluesKaj> all fonts button is on the right on the bottom
[19:09] <viewer|45395> under gear icon is a Binoculars and a Star
[19:09] <viewer|45395> on bottom buttons start at left corner
[19:09] <viewer|45395> no buttons on bottom right
[19:09] <viewer|45395> the life jacket must be help
[19:10] <BluesKaj> all fonts button on the far right , it's the bottom button if you chose fonts
[19:10] <BluesKaj> nope you're on the wromg page
[19:11] <viewer|45395> ok so with TT open where do I find    fonts to choose?
[19:11] <viewer|45395> ah
[19:11] <viewer|45395> so now back at system tools
[19:11] <viewer|45395> just hit the back arrow at top of TT wondow
[19:13] <viewer|45395> beside TT icon is a screen icon and then a wrnech and gear then two people heads
[19:13] <BluesKaj> its 2 Ts suoerimposed on top of esch other , one red and other black
[19:13] <viewer|45395> ok so i just clicked on that
[19:13] <viewer|45395> sothere are 3 panels
[19:14] <viewer|45395> skiny left pain has 3 icons and the middel pain is wide with a long list of fonts and the write demostrates the font
[19:15] <viewer|45395> painful pane
[19:16] <BluesKaj> click the box in each pane and choose the font name, style and size
[19:17] <BluesKaj> i'm on a panasonic tv and I use 17 size , the style and name are upt o you
[19:17] <viewer|45395> clicking on items in middle pain just shows the font in right pane but doesnt allow me to change anything
[19:19] <BluesKaj> you have to click the little box in the top left of the pane to enable it's options
[19:20] <BluesKaj> it's actually above and to the left of the pane
[19:20] <viewer|45395> another GEAR icon which has two items on drop down
[19:21] <viewer|45395> binoculars and a star
[19:23] <BluesKaj> there's no dropdown
[19:24] <viewer|45395> i do believe this is 14.04
[19:24] <BluesKaj> oh , no wonder
[19:24] <viewer|45395> dangers
[19:25] <viewer|45395> if I can repartiont boot sector for space teh apt-get -f upgrade will be able to complete
[19:25] <viewer|45395> not boot sector
[19:25] <viewer|45395> boot partition
[19:25] <BluesKaj> haven't used 14.04 fo 3 yrs, plasma5 has changed  the look of system settings
[19:26] <viewer|45395> and cmd line for increasing system font size
[19:26] <viewer|45395> and cmd line?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> why are you using a boot paritition , it's not necessary . a separate / (rro)  partition is a good idea  as is a /home partition
[19:27] <viewer|45395> damng
[19:27] <viewer|45395> ANY cmd line
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ro=root
[19:27] <viewer|45395> cuz this is how I found the box, with a dedicated boot parttion of 250mb
[19:27] <viewer|45395> 6mb free
[19:30] <BluesKaj> anyway the system settings font setup hasn't changed much iirc
[19:32] <BluesKaj> think you're choosing the wrong option  choose fonts , not font amagment
[19:32] <BluesKaj> err font management
[19:37] <viewer|45395> so after clicking on TT the window i get does not seem to have any indicator for  Fonts Management vs Fonts
[19:41] <BluesKaj> viewer|45395, theres a row of buttons on the far right the bottom one should be 'AdjustAll Fonts"
[19:42] <BluesKaj> after choosing that you should see the font panes with checkboxes above and tp the left of each pane
 Just to say that the same Plasma gadgets that I had in Linux Mint KDE (latest version and that worked without problems, just a few bugs) here in Kubuntu consume an enormity of resources (I have 7 gigas of RAM). So if you have performance problems, try turning off everything related to Plasma.
[19:46] <viewer|45395> on my window, there are 4 buttons under the left pane and 2 buttons under the middle pane which lists fonts and those two icons are a big PLUS anda BIG minus
[19:46] <viewer|45395> there are two more buttons below the four buttons of theleft pane
[19:46] <viewer|45395> and no buttons what so ever onthe right side
[19:49] <viewer|45395> above the right pane there is a T with a drop down and a field to type in beside it
[19:49] <BluesKaj> https://askubuntu.com/questions/162603/how-do-i-change-system-wide-font-settings-in-kubuntu    viewer|45395
[19:49] <viewer|45395> oh thanks
[19:49] <viewer|45395> aathis T drop down has 8 items on it
[19:50] <BluesKaj> you'll see what i mean on that page
[19:50] <BluesKaj> it's not a dropdown
[19:50] <viewer|45395> ya mine looks nothing like that
[19:51] <BluesKaj> if it's 14.04 , it should
[19:52] <viewer|45395> ok so whats that cmd line to illustrate the live running version
[19:52] <viewer|45395> i shall try hard to read it
[19:58] <BluesKaj> viewer|45395, lsb_release -a
[20:01] <viewer|45395> 14.04.05 lts
[20:01] <viewer|45395> on the plus side, ctrl shift +  increases the font size int eh terminal I can read it fully clear
[20:01] <viewer|45395> yah for temrinal
[20:01] <BluesKaj> also works in the browser
[20:02] <viewer|45395> ya it works in browser but not on browser menu items
[20:02] <viewer|45395> only in the web page portion itself
[20:02] <viewer|45395> but i can edit confi files fromthe temrinal now
[20:09] <viewer|45395> i think i found the screen shot you sent me
[20:10] <viewer|45395> via system settings, the top left icon is a person and beside that I THINK IT SAYS Application Appearance
[20:14] <viewer|45395> ya hooo I was able to increase a font in that same window and can read a little bit more
[20:15] <viewer|45395> yes I just hit apply and it worked every where
[20:16] <viewer|45395> wellit worked almost every where
[20:16] <viewer|45395> a new terminal window is still tiny font
[20:16] <viewer|45395> however I think i can proceed to resize the boot partition
[20:18] <rima> hello
[20:23] <BluesKaj> viewer|45395, yeah, must bea UEFI/GPT setup, forgot about the required /boot
[20:29] <viewer|45395> SO I am in Partition Manager and well to resize the boot partition, I presume I need to UnMount it and also unmount the other parttion which takes up the rest of the drive.
[20:29] <viewer|45395> and really, IF I DO THAT will this system just hang?
[20:29] <viewer|45395> or will i beable to proceed with resize?
[20:30] <valorie> viewer|45395: run a backup on your data first
[20:30] <valorie> it will relieve your mind
[20:33] <viewer|45395> i bacccked up boot partition yesterday onto the larger partition
[20:33] <viewer|45395> shite
[20:33] <viewer|45395> so in partition maanger there is
[20:34] <viewer|45395> right click has unmount on menu
[20:34] <viewer|45395> and /dev/sda2  extended I can select resize but change nothing. on right click menu is Mount instead of UnMount
[20:36] <viewer|45395> and as a sub entry /dev/sda5    of type unknown and rightmenu has mount instead o f unmount
[20:36] <viewer|45395> how is it that sda 2 is not mounted when I am running this desktop wiht a full boot partition mounted
[20:37] <viewer|45395> oh if imliuck this running off of RAM FS
[20:37] <viewer|45395> im gonna unmount that bgoot and try the resize
[20:37] <viewer|45395> if it hangs when I restart it will remount and hopefully with proper font
[20:40] <viewer|45395> so it unmounted and now I can ersize the /boot partition as smaller but not larger
[20:41] <viewer|45395> the /dev/sda2  extended allows me to click resize but wont allow changing the actual number sof the size
[20:59] <viewer|45395> not too happy , gonna haev to try again tomorrow
[21:14] <DaneGeld> Hi guys. I'm having trouble with my PC at home. Currently on 16.04.3 LTS, wanting to upgrade to latest release, 17.10, and I'm getting errors from python when running do-release-upgrade -d.
[21:14] <DaneGeld> They're in terminal, and I can't remember the command to get any output sent to a file, so I can show you what it's doing.
[21:38] <DaneGeld> Hello again. Sorry for the break, I got pulled to do a system restart.  Does anyone have any idea how to fix the problem I mentioned please? It's preventing me upgrading.
[21:39] <DaneGeld> Basically, I run do-release-upgrade -d and get about 7 lines of python related errors.
[21:44] <valorie> DaneGeld: have you updated and full-upgraded everything before doing that?
[21:44] <valorie> you will have to do TWO upgrades, by the way
[21:45] <DaneGeld> yep
[21:45] <valorie> turn off LTS first, then upgrade to 16.10, then 17.04, then 17.10
[21:45] <DaneGeld> apt-get update  and apt-get upgrade right after
[21:45] <valorie> it will take quite awhile
[21:45] <valorie> not upgrade -- either dist-upgrade if you use apt-get still
[21:46] <valorie> or apt full-upgrade
[21:46] <DaneGeld> how do I turn off LTS? I thought that was the -d in the do-release-upgrade command
[21:46] <valorie> easiest way is in muon, discover or synaptic, whichever you use
[21:47] <DaneGeld> none. I do all my upgrades via command line
[21:47] <valorie> !lts
[21:47] <valorie> hmmm
[21:47] <valorie> not sure how to do that in the cli
[21:48] <DaneGeld> well there must be something in the CLI or none of the apps would be able to do it.  Everything must have a command somewhere :)
[21:48] <valorie> of course
[21:49] <valorie> I simply don't know what it IS, anddon't have time to google for that right now
[21:49] <valorie> but before going further, is there something that keeps you from just doing a fresh install?
[21:49] <valorie> it will be much faster
[21:50] <DaneGeld> yes, I have a lot of stuff on here, and my machine is very old. I don't like keep wiping stuff and starting again, my poor hard drives can barely stand the pressure as it is!
[21:52] <krytarik> !upgradeofflts | DaneGeld
[21:53] <valorie> oh thanks, krytarik
[21:53] <krytarik> Sure.
[21:53] <valorie> DaneGeld: please be sure you have good backups
[21:53] <valorie> "poor old hard drives" sounds chancy
[21:54] <DaneGeld> thanks :)
[21:55] <DaneGeld> This is my third frankenstein valorie - it's built from spares and has hard drives from 4 other PCs sitting in it, plus two laptops :D
[21:55] <DaneGeld> Total cap of about 3TB
[21:57] <valorie> I reuse old hard drives too
[21:57] <valorie> and have backups!
[21:58] <DaneGeld> yeah, trouble is I have nowhere to backup to!
[21:58] <DaneGeld> All the HDDs are in use
[21:58] <DaneGeld> anyway, upgrade is now underway to zesty, then onto artful. I smell a long night ahead
[22:00] <valorie> 4T backup drives at Costco are about $75 last I checked
[22:00] <valorie> cheaper than insurance!
[22:02] <DaneGeld> I might look at getting a ready made PC at some point. I just love a challenge, is all.
[22:04] <DaneGeld> anyhow, i'm gonna quit for now - the upgrade is progressing and i need to start closing things down to get ready for them to be upgraded. See ya on the other side
[22:04] <valorie> well, I did that upgrade path to test before Artful release, so I know it works