[00:00] <tomreyn> rh10: filezilla is one. primarily meant for ftp, but i think it can be used for two local directories as well
[00:00] <rh10> tomreyn, got it.
[00:00] <tomreyn> or you could just open two directory browsers side by side and drag + drop
[00:01] <Sveta> mc
[00:01] <rh10> tomreyn, mainly i'm looking for two panel manager, where in panel i can toggle tree view structure
[00:01] <rh10> Sveta, i need GUI. in terminal im using mc
[00:01] <tomreyn> yes mc is a good option, though text based IIRC
[00:03] <tomreyn> if you use kde or have kdelibs installed you can use krusader
[00:04] <tomreyn> konqueror can also show multiple directories at the same time
[00:04] <rh10> tomreyn, probably i need to try krusader
[00:04] <tomreyn> dolphin, too
[00:04] <tomreyn> and xfe
[00:07] <tomreyn> also this unsupported (here) one: http://sourcedigit.com/19217-install-double-commander-file-manager-on-ubuntu-via-ppa/
[00:11] <rh10> tomreyn, double commander awesome
[00:11] <rh10> im using it a lot of time
[00:11] <rh10> but lack tree view as i need
[00:12] <tomreyn> well, maybe one of the others provides what you are looking for
[00:12] <rh10> tomreyn, yep. thanks a lot
[00:12] <tomreyn> in the long run you'll probably want to do this stuff ona terminal anyways, since it can be SO much faster
[00:14] <Cypher10X> oh hi
[00:15] <Sveta> Cypher10X: greetings.
[00:21] <chomwitt> in lshw xenial webpage i see reference to an 02.17-1.1ubuntu3.2 package that doesnt exist in repo's pool. so is it true that previous point release's packages arent kept in pool?
[00:26] <Volund> hey guys. so my friend has an ethernet cable heading into a side building that he wants wifi in for his family. All we have to work with is an older laptop that should have enough firepower. I want to turn it into an Ethernet->Wifi Hotspot bridge. Can this be done from an ubuntu live CD/USB or must the OS be installed?
[00:26] <Volund> I have found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[00:26] <Volund> I just wanna know if this can be done from a Live CD
[00:32] <tomreyn> i'm not certain but would assume so. alternatively ouy could install ubuntu to a usb stick and boot it from there
[00:41] <Bashing-om> !info lshw xenial
[00:42] <Bashing-om> chomwitt: ^^ the old 02.17-1.1ubuntu3.2 package will no longer be in the repo .
[00:46] <Volund> okay I -really- like 17.10's interface so far
[00:46] <Volund> looks very intuitive and organized compared to last time I saw Unity
[00:46] <Volund> what is this?
[00:46] <Volund> is this Unity or something else
[00:48] <Bashing-om> Volund: It is " something else" as unity is no longer the defaiult in 17.10 .. maybe gnome or wayland - if your hardware supports can have either ,
[00:48] <Volund> running it in Vbox right now. how can I check
[00:49] <Volund> ah
[00:49] <Volund> GNOME 3.26.1
[00:49] <Volund> okay this is NICE.
[00:50] <Volund> I might be tempted to switch back to Ubuntu from Win10 after this school term's over
[00:51] <chomwitt> Bashing-om: thanks. but then if i happen to download 16.04.1 upgrade will get me straight to 16.04.3 ?  Or if i am to 16.04.3 i cant go back to 16.04.2 (possibly, since intermediate point release packages are not in the pool)?
[00:53] <Bashing-om> chomwitt: 16.04.1 install: in the upgrade you will go to all latest . There is no go-back; no UNDO .
[00:55] <chomwitt> Bashing-om: ..hmm.. interesting.. it's like i've just had a minor epiphany regarding point releases..
[00:56] <Bashing-om> chomwitt: That said . you can boot the system with older kernels - providing they have not been removed .
[01:01] <Bashing-om> chomwitt: Kernel: " Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS >> 4.4.0-98-generic " nerrently .
[01:02] <Bashing-om> currently*
[01:06] <chomwitt> Bashing-om: that's something i guess :-)
[01:08] <Bashing-om> chomwitt: It is a fact that nothing is free .. ubuntu comes with a learning curve attached :)
[01:17] <chomwitt> Bashing-om: learning curve indeed.. lately i find out about the hwe kernels.
[01:17] <chomwitt> !info hwe
[01:20] <Bashing-om> !hwe | chomwitt
[01:23] <chomwitt> !hwe
[01:24]  * chomwitt thanks Bashing-om
[02:13] <Mr_H> Hi. I had a failure of some kind where I lost my mdadm superblocks on 2 out of 4 disks in my RAID5. I have created new ones and it seems ok, but I cannot decrypt any LUKS data. I also see that I've got a new UUID and name in mdadm -E. Anyone familiar with mdadm?=
[02:16] <oerheks> You said yesterday that you had luks, we shivered..
[02:18] <Mr_H> yeah, but the problem is not LUKS, it's mdadm/software RAID
[02:18] <Mr_H> why the hostility against luks?
[02:19] <linoge> Hi, is it possible to launch a program in a virtual window of sorts?
[02:19] <cfhowlett> more details?
[02:19] <Mr_H> oerheks: is there anything better than luks for full disk encryption that I'm not aware of?
[02:20] <linoge> Like, $ unknown-command-that-wraps-command --res 1024x768 openxenmanager # which looks awful on 4k
[02:20] <oerheks> well you lost your superblock, and recovering with luks, your outcome may vary
[02:21] <oerheks> i have no clue how to proceed after this
[02:22] <Mr_H> i have a copy of the two original superblocks, can I recreate the two damaged ones with this?
[02:23] <oerheks> ' original'  as before the disaster struck, or before you started recovering yesterday?
[02:24] <Mr_H> before I started recovery, but I am pretty confidentthat it's the same as before disaster struck also
[02:25] <Mr_H> however I only have the superblocks for sdc and sdd, sdb and sde is lost
[02:36] <mitmf> how can i extract tar.gz file?
[02:39] <Mr_H> mitmf: "tar xvzf file.tar.gz"
[02:40] <Mr_H> x=eXtract v=Verbose Z=gunZip f=File
[02:41] <mitmf> thanks Mr_H :)
[02:41] <Mr_H> np :)
[02:51] <Mr_H> is there any place in the mdadm superblock I can see the order of the devices?
[03:21] <touchui> hi.  I finally got touch working on an acer iconia tab in 16.04 and then upgraded to 17.04 and it still works.
[03:22] <touchui> how do i do up/down arrows and ctl, etc. with the on screen keyboard?  Is there another keyboard to select?
[03:23] <touchui> i.e., I want to do the a previous command in the terminal, but there is not up arrow, unless I connect a usb keyboard
[03:31] <trekkie1701c> touchui:  Android?  Hacker's keyboard.
[03:31] <trekkie1701c> Or use something like JuiceSSH that has that functionality built in.
[03:35] <vktr01330> hi. i'm trying to set up backup with deja-dup with a WDcloud connected to my router. but i keep getting error messages. also not sure what option to pick. anybody have time to get me started?
[03:35] <touchui> trekkie1701c, what do you mean android? hacker's keyboard - you mean switch to android?  I'll look at juicessh.  thanks
[03:35] <chovynz> hi
[03:35] <trekkie1701c> I thought it was an android tablet.  Or did you install Ubuntu on it?
[03:35] <chovynz> I'm looking to image my Ubuntu HD to an external, can anyone help me?
[03:35] <touchui> it has ubuntu 17.04 now
[03:38] <trekkie1701c> GOK might work, though it's been awhile.
[03:45] <touchui> trekkie1701c, looking - thanks
[03:49] <nadio> in ubuntu how can I controll if a package is build with support for a very specific external package ?
[03:51] <touchui> trekkie1701c, i found onboard in software center.  I looks like a standard keyboard :)  on the screen
[03:52] <cfhowlett> nadio, compile from source/
[03:56] <nadio> cfhowlett: preferable by the package system
[04:02] <oerheks> you can look for dependencies, apt-cache rdepends <package>
[04:03] <chovynz> Hi, I'm trying to make an image of my HD(250GB), which has Ubuntu on it, and save this to an External USB (2TB), for later recovery. Can anyone help me with this process?
[04:03] <lakitu> hey -
[04:03] <oerheks> !info clonezilla
[04:03] <oerheks> !clone
[04:04] <oerheks> oh, wrong factoid
[04:04] <chovynz> heh. I'm looking at clonezilla now
[04:04] <lakitu> i made a custom Ubuntu iso using "Cubic" - & it works in my virtual machine - but is just black after the ubuntu-&-dots loading screen, on my main machine. any reasons why? should i add nomodeset to the grub line or what . . .
[04:04] <chovynz> I was looking at dd but it's powerful and I don't want to mess up
[04:04] <vktr01330> anybody can tell me how i can backup to a WDcloud on my router?
[04:07] <lakitu> there - it finally got past the ubuntu-&-dots loading to the menu. (i'll check the disc from it.)
[04:07] <lakitu> i'll let you know if i need something
[04:10] <oerheks> vktr01330, according their community, you can browse with nautilus, or mount it with cifs https://community.wd.com/t/accessing-wd-from-linux-ubuntu-based/93087/4
[04:13] <vktr01330> oerheks: thanks for the link. i can access with nautilus easy enough through "network". but i'm trying to set up deja-dup to backup to it. that doesn't seem to work. any suggestions?
[04:30] <Cub26> Anyone experienced with HP laptop wifi issues? The hardware switch bug. The F12 key only toggles soft lock, not hard according to rfkill
[04:31] <Cub26> even usb wifi adapters fail work properly under the stock GUIs. command line or with wcid usb wifi works fine. seems to be a software issue within the *ubuntu software?
[04:34] <Cub26> system info. an old HP G6 (dont have the exact model memorized) rt5390pcie, *ubuntu 16.04 x64
[04:34] <Guest72622>                     CPU usage on anything. Any ideas of where to look?
[04:35] <Doc-Saintly> I have a remote Ubuntu machine that I can transfer files via SCP at 100-300 KBps, but when I try to use VNC or Teamviewer the screen refreshes at ~1 frame per 3 seconds, and I see the transfer speed is 15 KBps. I don't see high CPU usage on anything. Any ideas of where to look?
[04:36] <Cub26> doc, do you have your gpu accellerated? check good ol glxgears maybe?
[04:40] <oerheks> so when you start VNC or Teamviewer, speed drops to 15 kbps..?
[04:42] <lakitu> i guess my custom Ubuntu is still showing a black screen on load. should i add nomodeset? or something else
[04:42] <lakitu> custom Ubuntu iso
[04:42] <linoge> By the by guys
[04:44] <Sveta> may help to specify your hardware and check logs (dmesg?), lakitu :)
[04:44] <linoge> I was troubled yesterday setting up drbd ->lvm with pacemaker+corosync to have postgres fs replication and automatic master promotion or whatever
[04:45] <linoge> The thing is that I never got it to run because the lvm step failed
[04:45] <lakitu> well it runs ubuntu - it's a 3770k i7. the gpu had a ubuntu, deb variant working for a long time
[04:45] <lakitu> & i'm not sure how to get to dmesg from the black screen
[04:45] <linoge> I was puzzled because I had my lvm.conf filters ok but even with that a $ vgscan told me there were duplicated devices
[04:46] <lakitu> it's weird because i verified the disc & it runs fine in a virtual machine
[04:46] <lakitu> it's right after the ubuntu & dots loading screen
[04:46] <linoge> Solved it by disabling lvmetad in lvm.conf in the two nodes. Now it runs just fine.
[04:47] <linoge> Thought it would be good to share ;-)
[04:48] <d4rkt1m3s> I absolutely hate the gnome interface in 17.10. it looks like it was just thrown together with a few app updates, and basic standards. I miss unity.
[04:48] <Cub26> you can change your desktop by just installing a different one (ie: xubuntu-desktop)
[04:49] <chovynz> !info pv
[04:50] <Cub26> this HP wifi bug is what is driving me nuts. seems to be no real fix from what i can find
[04:50] <lakitu> Sveta, i managed to get to a different tty(?), i ran dmesg | tail & the last thing it was talking about was "Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck."
[04:50] <Cub26> older HP laptops with a nonexistant hardware switch
[04:51] <Sveta> lakitu, i'm not fully paying atttention, but in this particular regard, 'pastebinit' is a useful tool
[04:51] <Cub26> whats worse? you cant just change the wifi card. the BIOS screams that it isnt compatible :/
[04:52] <Cub26> some weird bios lockout for the built in wifi unless you are running windows, i guess
[04:53] <d4rkt1m3s> cub26 try something like systemctl start dhcpcd@enp6s0.service
[04:53] <d4rkt1m3s> replace enp6s0 with whatever your network card is.
[04:54] <Cub26> service not found?
[04:54] <Cub26> or rather, not found
[04:55] <d4rkt1m3s> Cub26: find out what your network interface is.
[04:55] <d4rkt1m3s> it should be under /dev/
[04:55] <Cub26> the name? ie wlo1?
[04:55] <d4rkt1m3s> possibly?
[04:56] <d4rkt1m3s> I haven't had to run anything like that since my archlinux days
[04:57] <Cub26> I have tried everything i could find online. for acers, rfkill unblock all works. not for this. the only key switch is F12. it only toggles soft on it.
[04:57] <Cub26> it seems as if the BIOS keeps it locked unless you run windows
[04:57] <d4rkt1m3s> that is super unlikely.
[04:57] <Cub26> it's a dual boot setup and it works under win 10 x64
[04:58] <Cub26> at some point during the win 10 boot proecess the LED changes color to show it's "on"
[04:58] <Cub26> under linux it doesn't and the raw output according to rfkill is that it only toggles soft
[04:58] <d4rkt1m3s> well it probably would if you are using an oem supplied copy of windows, which would have all of the proprietary drivers for your hardware pre-installed.
[04:59] <Cub26> i reinstalled the OEM Win7 and upgraded to win 10 (bought it used and put in my SSD)
[05:00] <d4rkt1m3s> Cub26: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo lshw -short'
[05:00] <Cub26> I have a similar HP but much higher end (for 2011). sadly something hardware for display went bad, it has no backlight even with a new screen. it acts the same way for windows
[05:00] <Cub26> sure. hold on
[05:02] <d4rkt1m3s> the second problem you are having is definitely a hardware issue. take apart the bezel of the monitor (if you can) and check that all the wires and ribbon cables are still securely connected
[05:02] <d4rkt1m3s> there is usually a chipboard directly beneath the screen that controls the backlight.
[05:03] <Cub26> the WLX one is the one i'm connected throught right now (USB) https://pastebin.com/W2aTXuQs
[05:04] <lakitu> ah, they added a nice F6-accessible ISOLinux way add nomodeset just via a menu. i'm trying that . . .
[05:04] <Cub26> wlo1 is the built in WIFI
[05:06] <Cub26> d4rkt1m3s yeah i just haven't gotten to it. i have changed the fan a few times on that DV6 one. basically one day it didnt have backlight anymore. i can see it showig on the screen if i have it out in bright sunlight so it has data going to the screen, just no backlight
[05:07] <Cub26> i bought a replacement screen, put it in, no change. sent the screen back (good ol amazon)
[05:07] <d4rkt1m3s> it's not a screen problem.
[05:07] <Cub26> i know that now ;)
[05:07] <d4rkt1m3s> its a problem with the chip that should be seated directly below the screen.
[05:07] <Cub26> i assumed it was at first
[05:08] <d4rkt1m3s> well, try that and you should be golden.
[05:08] <Cub26> i will one day i guess
[05:08] <d4rkt1m3s> for your networking problem, try systemctl start dhcpcd@wlx000a5224ff84.service
[05:08] <d4rkt1m3s> and pastebin the output (if any)
[05:08] <Cub26> no no, thats the one that does work lol
[05:08] <d4rkt1m3s> that's why I'm telling you to do it.
[05:08] <Cub26> thats the one im connected through right now
[05:09] <Cub26> oh ok
[05:09] <lakitu> Sveta, (others): i was able to get to the installer by enabling nomodeset via ISOLinux. very cool, thanks anyway
[05:10] <Cub26> failed to start unit blahblah not found
[05:10] <d4rkt1m3s> idk then bro
[05:11] <Cub26> i have dhclient instead i believe
[05:11] <d4rkt1m3s> it's probably a kernel issue.
[05:11] <Cub26> wicd only has that (and automatic) as options. dhcpcd is greyed out
[05:12] <Cub26> probably :/
[05:12] <Cub26> its been around for years too from what i have read
[05:13] <d4rkt1m3s> i've never encountered integrated hardware not working specifically with gnu/linux.
[05:13] <Cub26> i have to use a usb adapter and wicd. built in crap doesn't work (except comand line)
[05:13] <Cub26> the xubuntu built in wifi tray thing is saying wifi is disabled for both. yet here i am ;)
[05:15] <Cub26> wcid works with the USB one. changing the setting to wlo1 doesn't make the internal work so it's definately not being accessed somehow
[05:15] <Cub26> oh well at least it's dual boot. might just sat the heck with linux on here though. what a pain
[05:16] <Cub26> lubuntu works great on the old eeepc netbook. even the wifi. lol
[05:16] <vktr01330> anybody know how to backup to a WDcloud hdd connected on router with deja-dup?
[05:16] <Cub26> i tried putting in a different card in this G6 from another dead laptop but this one's BIOS screams at POST that you can't use it in this laptop
[05:17] <Cub26> HP makes a normally universal thing like a PCIe card not universal :/
[05:18] <Cub26> i bought this laptop used because it uses the same battery as the DV6 with no backlight. and it is easy to change the HDD on
[05:18] <Cub26> at first i bought a Dell but you have to tear it totally apart to get at the HDD :(
[05:18] <Cub26> so i exchanged it for this one
[05:19] <Cub26> i wanted my SSD in it, so yeah
[05:19] <linoge> WiFi problems?
[05:20] <d4rkt1m3s> I have no idea what to do for you Cub
[05:20] <r3kz> I miss having a netbook
[05:22] <Cub26_> oops
[05:23] <Cub26_> oh well guess i'm done anyway. yeah, its pretty sad when a widely common consumer laptop/wifi card has such major compatility problems
[05:23] <linoge> Yup, WiFi problems
[05:23] <Cub26_> everything else is fine, just that
[05:23] <linoge> PCI? USB?
[05:23] <Cub26_> well yes and no
[05:24] <Cub26_> the usb one doesn't work with the built in WIFI GUI crap in xubuntu or lubuntu
[05:24] <Cub26_> i finally found it working at command line, then saw mention of wicd and that works too for the USB one
[05:25] <linoge> So wicd makes both work?
[05:25] <Cub26_> no, only USB
[05:25] <linoge> That's Ubuntu 17.10?
[05:25] <Cub26_> in the settings for wicd, you have to have the hardware name typed in. if  change it to wlo1 it doesn't make  it work
[05:26] <Cub26_> xubuntu 16.04 x64
[05:27] <Cub26_> i tried it with lubuntu 17.10 x32 (because i already had it on disc for a netbook) at first.
[05:27] <linoge> And neither worked?
[05:27] <Cub26_> i thought it might have been an x32 issue so i totally wiped that out and put x64 of xubutu
[05:28] <Cub26_> nope
[05:28] <linoge> It's weird that network manager isn't able to handle a USB adapter while wicd does
[05:28] <Cub26_> exactly
[05:28] <Cub26_> it says disabled and never works either
[05:29] <Cub26_> wicd works for the USB one just fine
[05:29] <linoge> But both fail for the internal which means either kernel module or firmware
[05:29] <Cub26_> yep
[05:30] <Cub26_> its been a problem since 2011 it seems
[05:30] <linoge> Holy cow
[05:30] <Cub26_> acers have less of a problem
[05:30] <Cub26_> you can rfkill it away but not HPs
[05:30] <Cub26_> most of the online mentions are from 2011-2012, the age of this laptop.
[05:31] <Cub26_>  a few are newer, ie 2015
[05:31] <linoge> You've got the description of both devices? It would be helpful to open a bug report
[05:32] <Cub26_> https://pastebin.com/W2aTXuQs
[05:32] <Cub26_> the wlo1 is internal. the wlx or whatever is the USB one
[05:33] <Cub26_> both realtrek too oddly ehough
[05:33] <Cub26_> but different chipsets
[05:33] <linoge> Cool. Oh boy it'd be good to get my hands on one of those to test the whole thing ^^
[05:33] <linoge> But might be that if a bug is opened someone will pick it up.
[05:34] <linoge> After all wicd picking it up while network manager not is alarming
[05:34] <Cub26_> yep
[05:36] <Cub26_> care to see a screenshot of network manager from the tray? lol
[05:36] <GizmoRomick> my root partition says it's full, but I can't seem to figure out why.  Can anyone help me?
[05:37] <reisio> GizmoRomick: does 'df -h' say it's full?
[05:37] <Cub26_> https://pasteboard.co/GTg1jqb.png
[05:38] <GizmoRomick> reisio: yes, /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-root  212G  186G   16G  93% /
[05:38] <GizmoRomick> my home directory is on a different partition, so it shouldn't be that
[05:38] <reisio> GizmoRomick: let's see all the df output, then
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> Filesystem                         Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> udev                               7.8G     0  7.8G   0% /dev
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> tmpfs                              1.6G  9.5M  1.6G   1% /run
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--mate--vg-root  212G  186G   16G  93% /
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> tmpfs                              7.9G  228M  7.6G   3% /dev/shm
[05:39] <GizmoRomick> tmpfs                              5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
[05:40] <reisio> GizmoRomick: what says it's full?
[05:40] <xnite> teamviewer, discord screenshare, or OBS screen recording don't work as of 17.10. Also w hen I press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R my computer hardlocks
[05:40] <GizmoRomick> reisio: technically not full, but I don't understand what has used 186 gigs of space
[05:40] <reisio> GizmoRomick: what DE are you using?
[05:41] <xnite> so at this point it seems impossible to screen record anything or share screen
[05:41] <NoCode> I'm on Xenial, want to install latest Gnome3. Should I run a PPA to download it, or is getting it from the current repos the best way? I want the latest build that will work with Xenial.
[05:41] <GizmoRomick> reisio: originally Ubuntu MATE, but then I installed Plasma 5.  I am currently using Plasma 5
[05:42] <reisio> NoCode: did you ask, in that msg, whether you should or should not upgrade to the latest version of Ubuntu you can?
[05:42] <reisio> because that's a pretty silly question :)
[05:42] <NoCode> No I don't want to break my system.
[05:42] <reisio> GizmoRomick: try asking the filelight package/executable, then
[05:42] <NoCode> I just want the latest Gnome that will work in Xenial.
[05:44] <GizmoRomick> reisio: I installed it and am checking it out
[05:45] <NoCode> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/install-gnome-3-20-ubuntu-16-04-lts -- Maybe that'll work
[05:49] <t0no6a> hey guys!. Anyone knows wich port
[05:50] <GizmoRomick> reisio: when I look at Filelight's first page, it says that / has 211.6 GiB total space.  When I scan /, it then says 10.3 in the center.  I have screenshots
[05:50] <t0no6a> sorry :-) wich port I must open in order to connect a frebsd client to my nfs ubuntu server?
[05:52] <t0no6a> i do # ufw allow nfs but when I try to mount my ~/DATA directory on freebssd nothing happen
[05:54] <t0no6a> And if I disable ufw and then again try to mount ~/DATA on freebsd all goes well,so what port most be open. Sorry for my English
[05:57] <reisio> GizmoRomick: yes?
[05:58] <GizmoRomick> reisio: do you want me to send you the screenshots?  I'm not sure how to do that
[06:03] <GizmoRomick> seems awefully quiet all the sudden
[06:05] <t0no6a> 😶
[06:07] <reisio> GizmoRomick: well it's what, 1am EST?
[06:07] <reisio> can't see images you /haven't/ sent, that's for sure
[06:08] <GizmoRomick> reisio: that sounda bout right.  It's 9PM here in Alaska
[06:10] <reisio> y'know, I didn't know AK had its own time zone
[06:10] <reisio> PST+1? :p
[06:12] <GizmoRomick> reisio: I guess I never thought about it, but AK is the only land using that time zone.
[06:13] <GizmoRomick> reisio: I tried to send the file, but it timed out.  Sorry, I'm really new to using IRC
[06:13] <reisio> yeah I'm not sure I even have that setup
[06:14] <GizmoRomick> reisio: try this google photo link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/oiVLi9ApaF7fi2CC2
[06:14] <GizmoRomick> reisio: there should be two screenshots
[06:15] <reisio> GizmoRomick: ok I see them, what about'm?
[06:16] <GizmoRomick> reisio: Looking at the left screenshot, it says it is 211.6 GiB and it is full, which to me makes no sense.  The screenshot to the right is a scan of /.  It shows about 10.3 GiB used, which seems to make more sense to me.  The largest user of space being /usr, which is using about 7 GiB
[06:17] <GizmoRomick> resio: so, it looks like there is a big difference in used space between what is reported and what is actually being used.  Does that make any sense?
[06:19] <GizmoRomick> reisio: is it possible it can't scan everything because it doesn't have superuser privilages?
[06:20] <bchma> who do i send the bill to
[06:22] <bchma> for ubuntu installer fucking up a drive it wasnt being installed to.
[06:24] <reisio> GizmoRomick: yup
[06:24] <reisio> bchma: yourself
[06:28] <GizmoRomick> reisio: the du command was run with sudo, and it also doesn't see all this space being used http://paste.ubuntu.com/25944600/.  I guess I will ignore it for now and see if root does fill up, or if it is a reporting error.
[06:33] <reisio> GizmoRomick: where are you seeing the math not add up?
[06:39] <GizmoRomick> reisio: at first, Filelight shows about 186 GiB used (this is what df command shows).  When scanned to show specific folder usage, Filelight shows 10.3 total used (this matches closer to what du command shows).
[06:42] <oerheks> maybe you need to look at inodes, df -i
[06:44] <GizmoRomick> oerheks: Feeling like a newb here.  I understand what an Inode is, but not what I am looking at here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25944681/
[06:47] <Ben64> inode usage
[06:47] <oerheks> nothing @ 100% so looks fine
[06:47] <GizmoRomick> so, is looking at inodes a more accurate way of judging usage %
[06:48] <Ben64> usage of inodes
[06:48] <Ben64> you can be out of inodes but still have space
[06:48] <oerheks> df reads the superblock only and trusts it completely.  du reads each object and sums them up.
[06:49] <GizmoRomick> ok, sounds like I'm good.  Thank you.
[06:55] <GizmoRomick> now if I could only figure out how to do iOS development without actually going out to buy a Mac
[06:55] <GizmoRomick> not suprisingly, the vmware channel has been a lot less helpful
[06:56] <Ben64> you can run an osx vm
[06:56] <Ben64> not legally probably though
[06:59] <GizmoRomick> Ben64: on Virtualbox, High Sierra keeps hanging.  Using VMWare player, I can't even get the OS to boot from the High Sierra vmdk file I downloaded.  I'm probably just not smart enough on VMs to get it to work.
[07:01] <rolandnsharp> hello ubuntu, I've just installed ubuntu on a fresh thinkPad S5 and can't get it to detect the wi-fi card.
[07:01] <rolandnsharp> I've tried instaling the latest updates
[07:03] <rolandnsharp> I've got an unknown:unknown under my "additional Drivers". Says: "this device is not working", then "Using Processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode ...
[07:03] <rolandnsharp> I tried to install it but it hung and I don't really think this is a cpu problem
[07:04] <rolandnsharp> I've also tried: `service network-manager restart`
[07:16] <rolandnsharp> I've also tried `sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf`
[07:16] <rolandnsharp> not that I know what any of that does but I'd really like to be able to connect to the internet
[07:21] <Ben64> doing random things isn't going to help
[07:21] <rolandnsharp> @Ben64 that's why I'm here
[07:22] <rolandnsharp> Ben64: that's why i'm here
[07:22] <rolandnsharp> I've also turned it off and on
[07:22] <Ben64> but you keep saying random things you've tried
[07:23] <ducasse> rolandnsharp: can you put the output of 'lshw -C network' in a pastebin and post the link here?
[07:23] <rolandnsharp> I googled thinkpad wifi not working" and copy pasted some random results into the terminal
[07:23] <Ben64> yeah, don't do that
[07:23] <Ben64> thats how you'll break things more
[07:24] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/v9fr0ar8
[07:28] <ducasse> does 'rfkill list' list anything as blocked?
[07:30] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: no
[07:30] <rolandnsharp> only some non-blocked bluetooth stuff
[07:32] <ducasse> ok, then i don't know how to help, sorry. your wifi does not appear to be visible afaict.
[07:33] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: damn. thanks for trying
[07:34] <ducasse> you can try ##linux, just be aware that this is a pretty quiet time right now, especially since it's the weekend. will probably pick up in a couple of hours, though.
[07:36] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: thanks. I'll try that before I try a reinstall and pick "install proprietary software"
[07:37] <ducasse> rolandnsharp: that's only multimedia codecs etc, won't affect this.
[07:38] <ducasse> rolandnsharp: is windows also installed on this laptop? does the wifi work there?
[07:39] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: yeah, wifi is working on windows
[07:39] <ducasse> this is odd. is it listed by 'lspci' at all?
[07:40] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: not that I can see
[07:45] <ducasse> rolandnsharp: i assume 'lsusb' won't list it either?
[07:46] <rolandnsharp> ducasse: there is a: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bb4:0ffe HTC (High Tech Computer Corp.) Desire HD (modem mode)
[07:47] <rolandnsharp> and a: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:58db Realtek Semiconductor Corp
[07:47] <rolandnsharp> but nothing else could be it as far as I can see
[08:37] <chovynz> terminal : how do I find out about my hardware?
[08:45] <ducasse> chovynz: 'lshw' (you might want to run it with 'sudo', depending on what you're after), or 'inxi' are two alternatives
[08:45] <DaemonFC> Is UKUU safe to use? Does it leave the Ubuntu kernels installed?
[08:51] <brian|lfs> hello all I have 2 nvidia 1080ti video cards
[08:51] <brian|lfs> connected as SLI and all I get is ja black screen on boot
[08:51] <brian|lfs> I was able to chroot in and install the latest nvidia drivers but still all I get is a black screen at bjoot any susgestions?
[08:52] <jer> brian|lfs, in grub, you'll need to add `nomodeset` to the end of your `linux` line
[08:52] <jer> i had the same problem
[08:53] <brian|lfs> ah omg your kidding lol
[08:53] <brian|lfs> wow thanks I'll give it a shot
[08:53] <jer> nope
[08:53] <jer> i don't have 2, just 1, but that's what fixed it for me
[08:53] <jer> got me text mode, such that i could use the installer to install the drivers, and all was well after reboot
[08:53] <brian|lfs> well I thought I installed the drivers in chroot
[08:54] <jer> i'm on a ryzen 7 so no integrated gpu; if you've got an integrated gpu, use that instead will make life easier =]
[08:54] <brian|lfs> I used the 375 drivers
[08:54] <brian|lfs> I'm on a x299 jboard
[08:54] <jer> i'm using 381.22
[08:54] <jer> me too
[08:54] <brian|lfs> oh ok didn't see that when i SEARCH
[08:54] <jer> i'm running 17.04 though
[08:54] <jer> the nvidia drivers don't work with wayland on 17.10
[08:54] <jer> keep that in mind
[08:55] <brian|lfs> ok
[08:55] <RavinduL> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.3 LTS on my laptop, and my touch pad seems to be detected as if it were a mouse -- I cannot tap to click, and the setting application doesn't list touchpad settings as it did when I used standard Ubuntu.
[08:55] <RavinduL> How do I fix this? ;-;
[08:55] <jer> anyway gotta go, good luck brian|lfs
[09:00] <vktr01330> RavinduL: i think you can just change this in the sys settings somewhere
[09:01] <RavinduL> The Ask Ubuntu answer at https://askubuntu.com/a/778766 suggests that I install the `xserver-xorg-input-libinput` package, but I get this error: https://i.imgur.com/rv2yamC.png
[09:03] <RavinduL> It reads "The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-input-libinput : Depends: xorg-input-abi-22 Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.17.99.902) E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[09:10] <chovynz> thank you ducasse, perfect!
[09:11] <chovynz> https://pastebin.com/M4DtCHAU
[09:11] <chovynz> I'm looking at putting windows 7 into a VM, and my Ubuntu is the Host. Does my system have enough resources to game in the windows VM?
[09:12] <Ben64> chovynz: probably not
[09:12] <RavinduL> chovynz, https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10737/windows-7-system-requirements
[09:13] <chovynz> That says yes
[09:14] <RavinduL> Furthermore, I _think_ Windows 10 is relatively less resource intensive than Windows 7, so you're probably better off with Windows 10.
[09:15] <auronandace> chovynz: unless you have some means for your vm to access your physical graphics card you will likely find gaming in a VM impractical
[09:16] <chovynz> There is those means yes?
[09:16] <Ben64> chovynz: not on your system
[09:16] <chovynz> ok
[09:30] <mahakal> hey guys ...on my ub 16,04 i ran 'sudo apt-get upgrade'' and then i reboot .i can login  but no dash, no icon  just the wallpaper. Then i again reboot and  press ctrl-alt-f1 at login.now the terminal that has opened is welcoming me on ubuntu 17.04 .so two questions 1.how 'apt-get upgrade did what dist-upgrade is suppose to do 2.how to get my system back
[09:41] <Ben64> mahakal: well dist-upgrade doesn't do what you think it does
[10:07] <chovynz> Anyone here good with dualbooting / partitioning?
[10:08] <shystemd> chovynz: I am so good with it, I just wiped out windows and went full disk on windows the other day
[10:08] <chovynz> XD
[10:08] <shystemd> * full disk on ubuntu
[10:08] <shystemd> Encryption was more important to me..
[10:08] <chovynz> gaming is more important to me
[10:09] <shystemd> That is why I did want windows. I need to consider this sometime
[10:09] <chovynz> I'm on full Ubuntu, wanting to bring back le games
[10:10] <chovynz> I've messed around with Wine, DosinaBox, windows through VM, and a bunch of other things, but really, I would like DualBoot Ubuntu as my main business/audio/creation setup with Windows as my R&R
[10:11] <shystemd> I don't work on this laptop. It's purely for general use.
[10:11] <shystemd> But.. I prefer ubuntu to windows for general use.
[10:11] <shystemd> In all reality I doubt I'd ever game on it REALLY.
[10:12] <chovynz> I used to have a shite laptop
[10:12] <chovynz> could only play flash games on it
[10:12] <shystemd> I just invested in a thinkpad. Wow I love it
[10:12] <chovynz> Steam Linux is ok. But most of the games in my library work on windows
[10:14] <chovynz> So, can anyone help me DualBoot? I've looked at VM. That won't work for the gaming power I need. I'
[10:14] <shystemd> Sorry chovynz :x
[10:14] <tomreyn> if you want to do gaming with no restrictions on game titles with ubuntu being the only main OS then windows in a vm on an ubuntu host can work, IF you have multiple graphics chipsets, and the right ones, and graphics card passthrough works properly on your platform (and the system generally provides sufficient RAM and CPU resources).
[10:15] <chovynz> VM isn't an option for me.
[10:15] <chovynz> for those very reasons
[10:15] <tomreyn> so what are your questions regarding dual boot?
[10:15] <shystemd> tomreyn: How can I check if I have htose?
[10:16] <chovynz> I would like to first make an image of this Ubuntu drive and store it on an external hd
[10:16] <tomreyn> shystemd: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[10:16] <chovynz> people have saying I should use dd, but I need some help with it
[10:16] <tomreyn> if it returns more than one line then you have nmore than one graphics chipset
[10:18] <tomreyn> chovynz: you can image the whole drive, which can take a while, or you can backup the data stored on it. either works. lsblk should help you identify the block (storage) devices you want to backup, and where to back it up to.
[10:19] <chovynz> I will do both, the data and the drive image, so that I can restore after installing windows. (GRUB and installing windows first, then ubuntu is recommended)
[10:20] <chovynz> I've done the majority of data and am happy with it. now im up to the HD image stage
[10:20] <chovynz> 250GB image (only used 40G) onto a 2TB external HD
[10:20] <tomreyn> !dualboot | chovynz also read this if you haven't:
[10:22] <chovynz> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/rfL74VpA
[10:22] <tomreyn> chovynz: okay, what's source, what's destination?
[10:23] <chovynz> source is sda1 and 2, dest is sdb1
[10:23] <tomreyn> you probably want all of sda, otherwise imaging doe not make that much sense
[10:23] <chovynz> sda4 is data that I have already backed up. separate partition
[10:24] <chovynz> mostly empty. can modify that with gparted later
[10:25] <tomreyn> unless you want to write the image to a file, you need as many destinations as you have sources.
[10:25] <chovynz> Want me to talk about the structure of why I partitioned that way?
[10:25] <chovynz> Yes I want to write to an image file
[10:25] <tomreyn> okay, which file system is on sdb1?
[10:26] <tomreyn> can you mount it?
[10:26] <chovynz> nothing. Lots of data already. It's an external USB Western Digital HD, with no OS, but ... uhm... ntfs I think
[10:27] <chovynz> Yes I can mount
[10:27] <chovynz> I can also make a ubuntu live usb disk to control this process from
[10:27] <chovynz> *disk = usb drive
[10:27] <chovynz> old language, sorry
[10:27] <tomreyn> if you'll want to use 'dd', i'd use it on linux.
[10:28] <chovynz> As far as I know, my steps should be...
[10:30] <tomreyn> sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=where_you_mounted_sdb1/sda1.img bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress
[10:31] <tomreyn> sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=where_you_mounted_sdb1/sda2.img bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress
[10:32] <tomreyn> you could also compress those images if you wanted
[10:33] <tomreyn> you should probably also backup the partition table to make the cloning worthwhile:
[10:34] <tomreyn> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=where_you_mounted_sdb1/sda_mbronly.img bs=512 count=1
[10:34] <tomreyn> partition table and boot block to be precise.
[10:36] <tomreyn> chovynz: does sda have an msdos or gpt partition table? i blindly assumed msdos above
[10:37] <chovynz> I'm trying to find that info out tomreyn
[10:37] <chovynz> sda is ubuntu
[10:37] <chovynz> linux
[10:37] <chovynz> so it will be grub
[10:38] <tomreyn> you have a /boot/efi partition, chances are it's gpt. "sudo parted /dev/sda print" should say which partition table type it is
[10:38] <chovynz> yes
[10:38] <tomreyn> grub is the boot manager, not the partiion table type
[10:39] <chovynz> right
[10:39] <chovynz> https://pastebin.com/jH4wbUXa
[10:39] <tomreyn> "Partition Table: gpt"
[10:40] <chovynz> is it simpler to do the whole thing instead of trying to do only sda1 and 2 and 3?
[10:41] <chovynz> The reason I don't want to do 4, is because Win7 will take up some of that space, so the partition table will be wrong when I re introduce the ubuntu setup
[10:43] <ponyrider> 500mb is a very large efi partition in the future you should set 100mb
[10:45] <chovynz> noted
[10:45] <chovynz> I don't recall why I chose that size
[10:45] <tomreyn> chovynz: so if you dont intend to backup the partition table since you'll have no spare storage device to recover it to anyways, you can just store the output of 'sudo parted /dev/sda print' to a file
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:46] <tomreyn> chovynz: alternatively, to backup the gpt header, use sudo sgdisk --backup=where_you_mounted_sdb1/sda_gptheader_only.img /dev/sda
[10:47] <tomreyn> or better "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda" instead of "sudo parted /dev/sda print"
[10:47] <chovynz> Hi BluesKaj
[10:48] <BluesKaj> hi chovynz
[10:49] <tomreyn> chovynz: it is reasonable to only backup select partitions in this case.
[10:50] <chovynz> so I'm on the right track?
[10:50] <tomreyn> chovynz: doing what?
[10:51] <chovynz> ok, so, I made a folder on my ext HD. "ubuntu.restore" for easy cmd from liveusb terminal later.
[10:51] <chovynz> filename of sudo gdisk -l/dev/sda output is named ubuntu.gpt.fdisk.output
[10:52] <chovynz> Pasted the output into that as text to refer back to later
[10:52] <tomreyn> so far, so fine
[10:53] <chovynz> re this : -> sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=where_you_mounted_sdb1/sda1.img bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress
[10:53] <chovynz> If I use only sba it will do the entire partition table correct?
[10:53] <chovynz> *sda
[10:53] <tomreyn> use, how?
[10:54] <chovynz> whereas if I use sda1 it will do only that partition
[10:54] <chovynz> here
[10:54] <chovynz> if=/dev/sda1
[10:54] <chovynz> "if=/dev/sda" if I read this correctly, this will do the whole partition table
[10:54] <tomreyn> if you'll dd if=/dev/sda, the entire data stored on this disk, including all partiitons will be stored
[10:54] <chovynz> right
[10:55] <chovynz> so the one I want is the first two that you wrote using "if=/dev/sda1" to it's own file and so on for sd2 + sd3
[10:55] <tomreyn> right
[10:55] <chovynz> so I'll end up with three partition images?
[10:55] <tomreyn> that's if you want to backup select paritions
[10:55] <tomreyn> correct
[10:56] <chovynz> ok.
[11:08] <Thyriaen> I have a weired problem - for some reason my redshift is flickering ( 1 flicker in ~ a 5 min interval ) and it seems to flicker more the warmer the color is :) any ideas ? ( github of redshift it says that flickering might be due to having two applets running - however when i check i only start gtk-redshift and the redshift deamon starts too ( i got no difference in flickering if i only start the redshift deamon via command line )
[11:17] <ChadTaljaardt> Hello, My laptop running ubuntu is extremly slow, can someone help me figure out why?
[11:21] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: slow compared to what? was it ever fast,what happened in between?
[11:24] <ChadTaljaardt> tomreyn it was fast initially
[11:24] <ChadTaljaardt> now it takes several minutes to do anything at all
[11:25] <ChadTaljaardt> and just general computer use, this is my grans computer so i assume she hasnt changed much
[11:25] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: so when it was fast, was it running the same versio of ubuntu?
[11:25] <ChadTaljaardt> yes
[11:25] <ChadTaljaardt> she doesnt do updates, she doesnt even know how to i think
[11:26] <ChadTaljaardt> she just goes on the internet
[11:26] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: updates can be fully automated, security updates should be.
[11:26] <tomreyn> using the internet without security updates is a very bad idea
[11:26] <ChadTaljaardt> i generally do them for her when i go to her house, but i hadnt dont it in a while.
[11:27] <ChadTaljaardt> since getting the laptop though after it was slow, i did a full update of the system
[11:27] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: maybe the system got compromised as a result and now mines bitcoin for someone else. (a wild guess)
[11:28] <tomreyn> ChadTaljaardt: check dmesg to see whether there can be a hardware or driver iddue
[11:28] <tomreyn> *issue
[11:28] <tomreyn> if you'd like someone around here to help you interpret it: dmesg -T | pastebinint
[11:29] <ChadTaljaardt> ill give it a shot
[11:29] <ChadTaljaardt> give me a few minutes please :)
[11:38] <ChadTaljaardt> the pipe key isnt working :(
[11:38] <ChadTaljaardt> there are a lot of I/O errors
[11:38] <tomreyn> that would explain the slowness. yu probably need to replace the disk then
[11:39] <ChadTaljaardt> exception failed command read dma ext
[11:40] <ChadTaljaardt> i would say the other errors; but its frozen.. haha
[11:40] <ChadTaljaardt> but yeah, i think its a hardware issue
[11:51] <chovynz> tomreyn:  how does this look?
[11:51] <chovynz> https://pastebin.com/GwaiqQHK
[11:54] <chovynz> do symlinks work in dd?
[11:55] <tomreyn> chovynz: you probably dont want to backup swap. it only contains temporary data anyways. also, blank spaces in the volume name need to be escaped. and finally, the command to backup the gpt header differs from the dd one you'd use for an msdos partition table
[11:56] <chovynz> gdisk
[11:56] <chovynz> what you said before
[11:56] <chovynz> parted /dev/sda print > sda.gpt.partion
[11:57] <tomreyn> sudo sgdisk --backup=/media/natdawg/Seagate\ Expansion\ Drive/ubuntu.restore/sda_gptheader_only.img /dev/sda
[11:59] <tomreyn> before running these commands (dd / sgdisk) you need to ensure that the block device names match (they can differ while you're in the live environment), and you need to ensure that the target file system is properly mounted
[12:01] <chovynz> Ah! interesting. I just ran parted /dev/sda print > sda.gpt.partion, then read the file. It's exactly the same as what you got me to output with sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda -> saved to a file on the Ext HD already
[12:01] <chovynz> That's what you were talking about
[12:03] <brunch> I want to get an ubuntu vps but all I can find comes preinstalled with this plesk shenanigans :(
[12:03] <tomreyn> chovynz: yes, but sdgdisk --backup doesn't store text to a file, but binary data
[12:03] <tomreyn> chovynz: https://pastebin.com/raw/MdRAGGSj
[12:03] <tomreyn> brunch: search more, there are many offers without plesk out there.
[12:05] <tomreyn> (in fact, the very most are without plesk)
[12:13] <Thyriaen> The longer i have eclipse open and working in it ( not running any programs - just writing stuff ) the amount of memory builds up until my 16 GB RAM and 4 GB swap are filled at which point my PC will be too slow to be used anymore - what is the issue here ?
[12:13] <Thyriaen> I am using the lastest stable eclipse release ( September 2017 Oxygen.1a Release (4.7.1a) )
[12:13] <Thyriaen> simply having eclipse open has that effect
[12:17] <chovynz> tomreyn: I gotta go to bed, hows this look for the next steps?
[12:17] <chovynz> https://pastebin.com/raw/DrzgjS9f
[12:19] <ducasse> Thyriaen: as you're using an eclipse version from outside the ubuntu repos, ask them?
[12:21] <Thyriaen> ducasse, ah makes sense - the eclipse mars included in the ubuntu repos is 4 years old i believe - is there a more recent version that is idk -  ubuntu friendly ? :)
[12:24] <ducasse> Thyriaen: not really, anything you get from outside the repos is at your own risk, and you support it yourself. 18.04 development has just started, though - you could campaign to get a later version included there?
[12:25] <brainwash> Thyriaen: you think that this issue is caused by running it on ubuntu?
[12:25] <brainwash> Thyriaen: I would test the previous stable release, and see if that has the same memory leak(s)
[12:25] <Thyriaen> brainwash, i do - got the same version running on arch just fine
[12:26] <Thyriaen> brainwash, will do
[12:26] <brainwash> maybe related to the java version then?
[12:26] <Thyriaen> i will switch to the eclipse included in the ubuntu repos
[12:26] <Thyriaen> brainwash, i use the same java version ( openjdk-1.8
[12:26] <brainwash> ok
[12:27] <brainwash> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=511732
[12:28] <tomreyn> chovynz: looks good to me.
[12:29] <tomreyn> you don't have a MBR (you have a GPT), so "win first MBR" is incorrect there.
[12:48] <chovynz> It'll be installed once I wipe the HD, then windows will install it's own MBR
[12:48] <chovynz> from then I need to restore this ubuntu build into the spare space on the HD
[12:48] <chovynz> which is where the GRUB restore comes in
[12:49] <chovynz> Or rather, the MBR/GRUB dualboot that I need to setup
[12:52] <chovynz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[12:52] <BluesKaj> chovynz, UEFI or BIOS ?
[12:52] <chovynz> not sure. Need to find that out. UEFI possibly
[12:53] <BluesKaj> how old is the computer ? If it's after 2010 it's most likely UEFI
[12:53] <chovynz> likely to be uefi
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:54] <BluesKaj> then you need to read this below
[12:54] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[12:56] <chovynz> oh my lord. thank you
[12:57] <chovynz> sigh
[12:57] <chovynz> Alright! Thanks all! Made progress today
[12:57] <chovynz> Gnight :)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> night chrisml
[12:57] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:44] <tsukiyomi> hi, I'm trying to access chatango.com but it won't let me use the chat, it's flash based I think. My flashplayer works fine everywhere. On windows I'm able to access it. What can I do?
[13:45] <brainwash> try it with google chrome
[13:45] <gde33> I havent tried anything but is it possible to have say a 2 monitor settup and swith the second on and off without weird issues?
[13:46] <gde33> will ubnutu pretend the switched off screen is still there? does it remedy hidden windows when switching it off?
[13:47] <gde33> I'm pondering using/sharing 4 screens between 2 computers
[13:47] <zteam> Hi! I just installed the snap version of vlc from the ubuntu app store, launching the application from the gnome menu all I get is a system tray icon, attempting to play a video from this icon gives me no life at all. But launching vlc from terminal works just fine, anyu ideas?
[13:48] <zteam> I could try to install the regular version instead, but it would be nice to get the snap version to work correctly
[13:48] <tsukiyomi> brainwash: I'm using chromium
[13:50] <TJ-> gde33: if you mean by 'switching off' turning off the monitor front-panel  power switch, that doesn't generally tell the PC the monitor has gone. there are tools (e.g. xrandr) to manually control how many and which GPU outputs are active
[13:51] <gde33> TJ-: I'm pondering 4 screens that are normally used by 1 computer. Then I want to be able to switch 1 or 2 of the displays to computer 2.
[13:52] <gde33> on second  thought, I suppose the ideal response would depend on the applications
[13:53] <Discordian93> Hello! So I was here two days ago looking for help to install Ubuntu on my acer laptop in UEFI mode and it seems it just isn't possible. I disabled fast boot and secure boot
[13:53] <Discordian93> But the computer just woin't recognize the usb stick
[13:54] <gde33> Discordian93: boot order is in order?
[13:54] <Discordian93> yep
[13:54] <Discordian93> in fact if I sawp the ubuntu usb stick for a windows 10 installation stick it boots from it
[13:55] <TJ-> gde33: I think if you're switching the input's on the monitor, or via a video switch box, that'd be enough for the PC to see the output has gone away and reconfigure the desktop
[13:55] <TJ-> gde33: I use 6 monitors but I don't switch the outputs to other PCs
[13:55] <Discordian93> it just doesn't show up on the BIOS if it has ubuntu on it
[13:56] <gde33> TJ-: k, will just try it. How large are your monitors?
[13:56] <gde33> synergy is good fun, try it some time if you havent :)
[13:56] <TJ-> gde33: resolution or physical?
[13:56] <gde33> physical
[13:56] <TJ-> gde33: 24"
[13:56] <gde33> ah, good size
[13:57] <Discordian93> weird thing is I seem to recall having succesfully booted a ubuntu 17.10 stick on uefi mode
[13:57] <gde33> my 21's feel slightly to small and my 27 feels like it is taking up to much room
[13:57] <Discordian93> but I don't remember the exact setup I used
[13:57] <gde33> Discordian93: maybe different formating?
[13:57] <TJ-> gde33: I don't need synergy; my headless systems are connected a networked KVM so I can access them over the network from anywhere
[13:57] <gde33> Discordian93: is it the same usb stick you use for windows?
[13:58] <Discordian93> well I used th windows 10 usb creation tool for the windows 10 stick, maybe it wouldn't work if I used rufus for it like I did for the ubuntu one
[13:58] <Discordian93> maybe try with a different tool?
[13:58] <Discordian93> no, different stick
[13:58] <gde33> TJ-: the fun is in being able to use windos and ubuntu and mac's even kolibri at the same time :P
[13:58] <Discordian93> but I've tried with two different sticks
[13:58] <TJ-> gde33: I don't use Windows or Mac :)
[13:58] <Discordian93> always works with windows
[13:58] <Discordian93> never with ubuntu
[13:59] <gde33> is it 32 bits?
[13:59] <Discordian93> no
[13:59] <TJ-> Discordian93: when you attempt to boot with the Ubuntu USB LiveISO, do you start from the PC's manual boot menu? if so, does the USB device get listed there?
[13:59] <Discordian93> 64 bits
[14:00] <Discordian93> I don't think this computer has a manual boot menu, but it doesn't get recognized in the boot order list in UEFI settings so I don't think it'd show up there
[14:00] <TJ-> Discordian93: also, as a test, use a virtual machine on Windows (hyperv, virtualbox, etc.) and attach the USB to it and see if it'll boot in the VM. If it will you know the problem is with the Acer firmware
[14:01] <Discordian93> I know it is since it'll boot on legacy bios mode
[14:01] <TJ-> Discordian93: it has to have a manual boot menu! The UEFI boot menu is programmed in the PC's flash memory
[14:01] <gde33> a firmware upgrade might be available (not saying you should do it just look if it even exists)
[14:01] <TJ-> Discordian93: what model is the Acer?
[14:02] <Discordian93> one sec let me look up the receipt
[14:02] <Discordian93> Acer Aspire VX5-591G-73FR
[14:04] <akik> Discordian93: the grubx64.efi file didn't appear in my boot list either, until i added it through the uefi menus. but i think you didn't have that menu
[14:04] <Discordian93> Not sure if I have it
[14:05] <akik> Discordian93: this: https://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/No_Bootable_Device_Found_2.jpg
[14:05] <Discordian93> ah
[14:05] <Discordian93> i think I
[14:05] <Discordian93> d
[14:05] <Discordian93> do
[14:05] <Discordian93> have it
[14:06] <Discordian93> so I can add a file there that will make the usb bootable?
[14:06] <akik> Discordian93: it'll access the efi system partition and you can select the file from there, then save and exit, go back into the uefi menus and edit the boot order
[14:06] <akik> Discordian93: no, this was for ssd boot when the system only booted to windows
[14:07] <Discordian93> so you already had ubuntu in a partition installed but it wouldn't boot?
[14:07] <TJ-> It shouldn't be needed. UEFI uses the Simple Boot Path for removable devices: /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[14:07] <ub_ubuntu> Hi. My keyboard is pressing * key on its own even during boot. Is there any fix for this...?
[14:07] <akik> Discordian93: i had win10 on this acer laptop originally, then installed ubuntu as the second os
[14:08] <TJ-> Discordian93: in the BIOS setup, in the boot-order, have you placed 'USB' before the internal SDD/HDD ?
[14:08] <Discordian93> yes
[14:08] <Discordian93> first thing I did
[14:08] <TJ-> Discordian93:and is legacy USB support enabled?
[14:08] <Discordian93> nope
[14:08] <Discordian93> how do I enable that?
[14:09] <TJ-> Discordian93: it's an option in the firmware which can sometimes help; probably unnecessary in this case but it's worth checking
[14:10] <ub_ubuntu> Anyone ??
[14:10] <TJ-> Discordian93: So, with the USB plugged in, you power on the PC, press F2 at the firmware splash screen, and you get into the firmware setup, is that correct? On some Aspires when the USB is already inserted F2 should take you to the "temporary boot menu" (i.e: manual boot menu)
[14:11] <TJ-> ub_ubuntu: fix the keyboard? maybe some crums or something have jammed the key's silicon bubble
[14:11] <Discordian93> f2 takes me to the UEFI settings
[14:12] <TJ-> Discordian93: on the Boot menu options what do you see? does it lost all the boot devices it can detect?
[14:12] <ub_ubuntu> Happening with on board and usb keyboard as well
[14:12] <Discordian93> it only detects the hard drives
[14:12] <Discordian93> it only detects the usb stick when it's a windows 10 one
[14:12] <Discordian93> ubuntu ones don't even show up on the boot oder menu
[14:12] <TJ-> Discordian93: then I suspect whatever you wrote the ISO image to the USb with has corrupted the image
[14:13] <TJ-> Discordian93: are you on Ubuntu now?
[14:13] <Discordian93> possibly
[14:13] <Discordian93> no I'm on windows 10
[14:13] <TJ-> Discordian93: drat! we could have examined the image to find out :)
[14:14] <akik> rufus has a dd write mode which you can enable with alt-i
[14:14] <Discordian93> I mean if all else fails I guess I'll delete all my partitions and ue legacy BIOS mode
[14:14] <Discordian93> then install windows 10, then Ubuntu
[14:14] <TJ-> Discordian93: these ISO images are 'hybrid' - we make them so they'll boot with 'legacy' BIOS->sector0-bootstrap, UEFI->EFI-SP->/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI, and BIOS/UEFI ISO-9960 El Torito (CD-ROM boot standard).
[14:15] <Discordian93> but apparebtly widnows 10 can cause problems in legacy mode
[14:15] <TJ-> Discordian93: oooo! could the UEFI be 32-bit!?!
[14:15] <Discordian93> I dunno all I know is windows 10 isntaller gave me a big fat warning when I tried to install it in legacy bios mode
[14:16] <Discordian93> maybe its just microsoft propganda so that I'll use UEFI and won't be able to install ubuntu haha
[14:16] <zteam> Discordian93, why just not disable secure boot?
[14:16] <Discordian93> I disabled secure boot
[14:16] <Discordian93> that's not the issue
[14:17] <TJ-> Discordian93: a 32-bit firmware would cause this kind of issue; since the hybrid ISOs (last time I checked) only had BOOTX64.EFI not also BOOTX86.EFI
[14:17] <Discordian93> well the processor is definitely a 64-bit one
[14:17] <Discordian93> dunno about the frmware being 32-bit
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Discordian93, I went with dos table after wiping the uefi boot etc partitons and used legacy mode for W10 and kubuntu , but I had a lot of problems with disk errors on reboots afterwards, I don't recommend goibg that route
[14:18] <BluesKaj> going even
[14:18] <Discordian93> I see
[14:18] <TJ-> Discordian93: OH! you have to TRUST the USB!
[14:19] <Discordian93> how?
[14:20] <akik> that acer aspire vx5 seems to be brand new laptop
[14:20] <TJ-> Discordian93: boot, press F2, go to SECURITY, choose "select an UEFI file as trusted for executing", in "Available File system" choose the USB device, navigate to EFI/BOOT/ and select BOOTx64.EFI, give it a name, then select YES, then got to the BOOT menu choose the name you have it as first in boot priority
[14:21] <Discordian93> allright
[14:21] <Discordian93> will try that
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Discordian93, I've since restored my laptop to UEFI/GPT and all is well, altho I haven't reinstalled W10
[14:21] <zteam> Discordian93, why do you need to install it in uefi mode? (I guess if Windows is installed in ueifi mode you have to install ubuntu that way too right?)
[14:21] <Discordian93> yep
[14:21] <BluesKaj> zteam,yes
[14:22] <Discordian93> and apparently windows 10 can cause issues installed in legacy mode
[14:22] <_28kb> Is there some good step by step walk trough for configuring X on Ubuntu 16.04 ? I have problem with my graphic card and i would like to introduce myself to how display functions on newest releases while fixing issue itself.
[14:22] <Discordian93> at my home computer I have dual boot on legacy mode with windows 7 and it works fine
[14:22] <Discordian93> but with windows 10 it doesn't seem to be an option
[14:23] <akik> win10 works fine in mbr/bios mode
[14:23] <Discordian93> dunno some
[14:23] <Discordian93> people have issues with it
[14:24] <Discordian93> BluesKaj said that he had disk errors
[14:24] <akik> so many different systems
[14:24] <Discordian93> windows 10 installer gave me warnings when I tried to do that
[14:24] <Discordian93> it's why I installe dit on UEFI mode
[14:24] <BluesKaj> akik, well, i had all kinds of disk errors on reboots with bios/mbr on W10 and kubuntu
[14:24] <Discordian93> didn't expect Ubuntu to be so hard to install in UEFI mode
[14:25] <TJ-> UEFI/Secure Boot is better in terms of preventing malicious code from executing with kernel privileges
[14:25] <Discordian93> okay gonna try to trust the usb like TJ- said
[14:25] <Erealz> hello
[14:25] <TJ-> Discordian93: it's not Ubuntu; it's the way the Acer firmware is written, via the SECURITY options. And Acer should provide a manual that details that
[14:26] <TJ-> Discordian93: i had to deal with one about 18 months ago but it had slipped my mind until just now :)
[14:31] <Discordian93> okay
[14:31] <Discordian93> so I tried to trust the usb
[14:32] <Discordian93> had to re-enable secure boot for that
[14:32] <Discordian93> the went to that menu
[14:32] <TJ-> that's correct.
[14:32] <Discordian93> found the BOOT_X64.uefi file or something like that
[14:32] <Discordian93> named it UBUNTU
[14:32] <Discordian93> and UBUNTU showed up in the boot order list
[14:33] <Discordian93> put it in the first place
[14:33] <Discordian93> then rebooted
[14:33] <Discordian93> ..and it booted into windows 10
[14:33] <TJ-> Discordian93: did you save the firmware settings before rebooting?
[14:33] <Discordian93> yep
[14:34] <TJ-> Discordian93: if you return into the setup does UBUNTU still show up in the boot menu, and as the 1st entry?
[14:34] <Discordian93> gonna check
[14:37] <Discordian93_> good news
[14:37] <Discordian93_> rebooted to see if UBUNTU was still the first on the boot order list
[14:37] <Discordian93_> booted into the live usb instead
[14:38] <TJ-> Yay!
[14:38] <TJ-> Discordian93_: before you start installing verify it booted in UEFI mode. From a terminal do "ls /sys/firmware/efi/" and you should see a lot of entries
[14:38] <Discordian93_> man this UEFI stuff is dark wizardry
[14:39] <Discordian93_> secure boot is what suppsoedly controls what is trusted or not to boot but disabling it is not enough you have to enable it to specifically tell it which files it has to trust
[14:40] <TJ-> Discordian93_: that Security option is an Acer extension, and they don't document it in the manuals which is gross negligence in my mind.
[14:40] <TJ-> Discordian93_: exactly!
[14:40] <TJ-> Discordian93_: and the firmware doesn't even clue you in
[14:40] <TJ-> Discordian93_: it wouldn't hurt to display "There's a UEFI removable device connected but you need to TRUST it to enable booting"
[14:41] <Discordian93_> okay I used that command
[14:41] <Discordian93_> there are a few entries yeah
[14:41] <akik> TJ-: i needed to do the same procedure for a ssd install too
[14:41] <TJ-> Discordian93_: things like "config_table" and the "efivars" directory
[14:41] <TJ-> akik: it's a pain isn't it!?
[14:42] <Discordian93_> yeah those are there
[14:42] <TJ-> Discordian93_: OK, well, you're good to go and do the install. After you've completed it remember to remove this temporary "UBUNTU" entry for the USB, but *not* the new installed "Ubuntu" entry!
[14:43] <Discordian93_> okay
[14:43] <Discordian93_> thanks a lot
[14:43] <Discordian93_> couldn-t have done it without your help
[14:43] <TJ-> you're welcome; took us a while to figure it out :)
[14:43] <Discordian93_> okay
[14:44] <Discordian93_> okay
[14:44] <Discordian93_> so now to install drivers and mp3 and stuff it says it has to disable secure boot]
[14:44] <Discordian93_> maybe safer to not install that stuff now_
[14:44] <Discordian93_> do it after install
[14:44] <Discordian93_> when i-m sure secure boot can be disabled safely]
[14:45] <TJ-> Yes, That's for out-of-kernel modules that can't be signed
[14:45] <Discordian93_> yeah so I should not do that during the install right
[14:46] <TJ-> Discordian93_: the obvious driver that might require that is nvidia, but if the acer supports it, you can enroll your own key via the MOK tools so you can sign modules you trust, thus preserving SecureBoot
[14:46] <Discordian93_> I dont care about secureboot
[14:46] <Discordian93_> just the fact that it says it needs to assign a password
[14:46] <TJ-> Discordian93_: correct, stick with Secure Boot mode during install and first reboot. Once it's stable then you can tinker :)
[14:46] <Discordian93_> but the firmware already asked me to assign a password to do all the setup weve been doing
[14:47] <Discordian93_> so I dunno if two different sets of passwordw on-t cause the computer to explode lol
[14:47] <Discordian93_> ok gonna do the install see wht happens after
[14:48] <TJ-> Discordian93_: passwords are different. UEFI Secure Boot uses public key infrastructure to verify all the way from power-on through UEFI modules, boot-loader (GRUB) and OS (Linux)
[14:48] <Discordian93_> this acer firmware seems to be different that the standard uefi setup, it needs you to choose a password to do anything
[14:48] <Discordian93_> disable secure boiot, TRUST the stuck, I needed to use a password for all that
[14:49] <TJ-> Discordian93_: to control trust options that makes sense
[14:49] <TJ-> Discordian93_: else with physical access someone could compromise the PC
[14:50] <Discordian93_> kay so I want to isbtall ubutu on a different hard drie
[14:50] <Discordian93_> this computer came with two a 1TB hard drive and a 100gb SSD
[14:50] <Discordian93_> wanna install ubuntu in the SSD, which is curretly an empty NTFS partition
[14:50] <Discordian93_> not sure how to do that
[14:51] <TJ-> Discordian93_: you may need to ensure the boot-loader is also installed on the same drive. At the end of the installation dialogs there's one for bootloader location (a sub-option of another dialog if I recall correctly)
[14:51] <Discordian93_> yes
[14:52] <TJ-> Discordian93_: it'll need to parition that other drive with GPT, or if already partitioned, ensure there is an EFI-System Partition (size ~ 256MB), where it can install GRUB
[14:52] <Discordian93_> so the boot loader has to be on the same partition as ubuntu or as windows
[14:53] <TJ-> Discordian93_: no it doesn't, but if you want it bootable if that drive ever moves, the boot-loader needs to be on the same drive. Else, you may end up with GRUB on /dev/sda and Ubuntu on /dev/sdb for example
[14:53] <TJ-> Discordian93_: that'll work... until sda dies, or sdb gets moved to another PC, or made first in the boot order
[14:54] <Discordian93_> sorry, not sure how to use question mark right now, keyboard layout on live usb is digfferent
[14:54] <Discordian93_> I was asking
[14:54] <Discordian93_> where do I have to put the boot loader?
[14:54] <Discordian93_> where I install ubuntu or where windows is?
[14:54] <TJ-> Discordian93_: on the same drive as Ubuntu
[14:54] <Discordian93_> ok
[14:55] <TJ-> Discordian93_: as I said you'll need to ensure there's an EFI system partition on there *before* starting the install, and possibly shuffle things around to create one
[14:55] <TJ-> Discordian93_: if the drive is virgin then you can let the installer do it all automatically
[14:56] <Discordian93_> ummm
[14:56] <Discordian93_> delete the entire partition_
[14:56] <Discordian93_> ?
[14:56] <Discordian93_> from windows
[14:56] <Discordian93_> maybe easier
[14:57] <Discordian93_> I don-t understand all the partitioning options
[14:57] <Discordian93_> but windows device manager displays which drive is which quite clearly
[14:57] <Discordian93_> so if I delete the partition in the SSD the ubuntu installer can do it all on its own_
[14:58] <Discordian93_> gonna try that
[15:19] <Gegsite> hy
[15:20] <Discordian93> seems like it's worked
[15:21] <Gegsite> q: My 17.04 ubuntu now do not suspend properly, and restarts the PC.... how can I debug it ?
[15:21] <Discordian93> It's installed in the SSD
[15:21] <Discordian93> windows in the 1TB drive
[15:21] <Gegsite> yep ubuntu is on SSD
[15:21] <Gegsite> :P sorry :)
[15:22] <Discordian93> webcam works, sound works, nice. Thanks a bunch to everyone who helped
[15:22] <Discordian93> now I have to disable secure boot if I want to install nvidia drivers?
[15:27] <Nokaji> never a quitter be
[15:32] <Gegsite> btw. suspend did worked okay about 2 weeks ago....
[15:32] <Hanumaan> I have following configuration or settings in ubuntu where already Windows is there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25946132/
[15:32] <Hanumaan> tried to boot repair but did not worked
[15:35] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: which pc make and model?
[15:36] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: I'm not sure if this information you are looking for: http://download.gigabyte.cn/FileList/manual/mb_manual_ga-h81m-s_e.pdf
[15:36] <Discordian93_> so now thatI've disabled secure boot, how do I install the stuff I had to skip during the installation of the OS because of it?
[15:38] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: windows is installed in legacy mode, ubuntu has to be installed in legacy mode too to work
[15:38] <EriC^^> Discordian93_: try sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[15:39] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: you mean I have reinstall ubuntu again?
[15:39] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: yeah, but when you boot the usb choose USB and not USB UEFI
[15:40] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: and then if I reinstall will it take windows?
[15:40] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: yes
[15:40] <Hanumaan> ok
[15:41] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: is the paritioning is right? I mean having /boot and EFI parition?
[15:42] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: /boot is ok but not needed, the efi partition in legacy mode won't be there anymore
[15:43] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: so EFI has to be allocated or ubuntu will itself allocate itself?
[15:43] <EriC^^> Hanumaan: ubuntu will take care of everything
[15:44] <Hanumaan> EriC^^: ok I will not extra EFI parition then
[16:10] <Asad2005> What is the shortcut to access tty2-6 in ubuntu 17.10 ? crtl+alt+F2-6 not working
[16:11] <guntbert> Asad2005: not very helpful but "it works here" :-)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Asad2005, make sure you caps lock is disabled
[16:12] <BluesKaj> your
[16:12] <L00P3X> Hello. i never had a printer at home and there is one for a good price to purcise. it is an HP wirless one. havn't could find any advice to linux on internet or at the manual to( http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04725236 ). so had someone experiens on ubuntu whit this hp wirless printers? thank you
[16:13] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, i have a HP ernvy 4500 printer and the wifi works well with Kubuntu
[16:14] <Nokaji> printers are a huge problem area in that the build quality is often poor, it pays to do research on whatever make and model you get to save endless heartache after, als check running costs, particularly printer ink
[16:15] <Nokaji> my hp was a nightmare, wouldn't pick up paper and ink always failed - but that was just my luck of the drawer
[16:15] <Nokaji> draw*
[16:15] <Nokaji> had to be shipped back twice
[16:15] <guntbert> !printer >  L00P3X
[16:16] <L00P3X> BluesKaj, thank you. i will check out there manual and seek for similaritys. Nokaji, this is what i got over the internet. no support for hp printer over linux.. i have no certain this will work for me
[16:17] <Nokaji> L00P3X: I'm currently running a canon MP925 and it is the best I've had in over a decade of printers
[16:18] <Nokaji> dirt cheap in compatible ink, too - the hp cost me £25 a throw and they lasted no time
[16:19] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, HP printers tend to be Linux friendly, despite some users problems I've always had good luck with them
[16:20] <L00P3X> Nokaji, over ubuntu ? i maybe should buy one whit some good experience rather then guess about it..
[16:21] <Nokaji> I use ubuntu, ypu but not configured the wireless bit or at least not used it ... maybe I can do a test print if I can figure out how ...
[16:22] <Nokaji> yup*
[16:22] <L00P3X> BluesKaj, what i guess is that wirless printer should work over ubuntu like they even do whit a smartphone.. only ther's nothing about linux over there manual ( http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04725236 )
[16:25] <Nokaji> ... and it's fired up the printer ... wirelessly ...
[16:27] <xnite> teamviewer, discord screenshare, or OBS screen recording don't work as of 17.10. Also when I press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R my computer hardlocks, so at this point it seems impossible to screen record anything or share screen
[16:27] <Nokaji> L00P3X: the first 4 pages of a random pdf looks just fine, includes a colour picture of my smartphone and  two dozen colour icons - I'd call that a success
[16:27] <Nokaji> ... and text, ofc
[16:29] <Nokaji> it gives me a ton of printing options
[16:33] <L00P3X> i reeded about printerupgrades in ubuntu 17.04.. the did a huge job about that.. thank you guntbert. on the sites i got this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersHp all office series seems to work pretty good.. only this model is not in there
[16:34] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01174360
[16:35] <Nokaji> L00P3X: I vaguely recall there was a specific driver available/ recomended for canon - so far it sees to offer more features than my desktop ubuntu :)
[16:35] <Nokaji> prettier too
[16:35] <L00P3X> Nokaji, this is cool! would be bether to buy one like your i guess..
[16:35] <skinux> ANyone know of a channel to discuss XSP programming, or ASP.NET on Linux?
[16:36] <Nokaji> you do also get a lot of control form the canon machine itsef - it's a neat machine
[16:42] <L00P3X> BluesKaj, Thank you! over here you can find all hp printers working on ubuntu whit HPLIP. https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/release_notes   last question dears. found the officeJet 3830 model in there.. mine is the 3833 one.. :\
[16:45] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, i haven't used any officejets, but i assume they're more rugged versions of home printers
[16:45] <Nokaji> L00P3X: My pleasure, I learned something too - by the way it is configured via CUPS & hplip &  ... gutenprint
[16:48] <L00P3X> Nkoaji, had you to configure something or just turned on the wifi on the printer and selected it from printing screen?
[16:49] <Gegsite> so ... do you even see my writing ? Suspend problem?
[16:50] <Nokaji> L00P3X: can't really recall, I had 14.04 installed, that failed miserably so I upgraded to 16.04, I also swopped printers mid-stream and then bought my smartphone - hard to track down what happened when anymore
[16:51] <L00P3X> For shure i will let you know if i buyed them. thank you all.
[17:09] <purplefeetguy_> join #ansible
[17:09] <purplefeetguy_> motd #ansible
[17:10] <jeremy31> you need /join then the room name
[17:35] <klemax> hello. I need to install v4.13.10 or newer kernel to fix a issue.
[17:36] <klemax> Actually i wanna know how to install -proposed kernels.
[17:36] <Mikelevel> klemax~ http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:38] <jeremy31> klemax have Ubuntu 17.10 has a 4.13 kernel
[17:38] <EriC^^> !mainline | klemax
[17:38] <klemax> jeremy31: I have ubuntu 17.10 yeah.
[17:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hello, so I want to forward port 80 to 8080 and retain this even after reboot
[17:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what would be a good way to do this?
[17:40] <klemax> EriC^^: thanks seems thats what i need
[17:40] <EriC^^> klemax: no problem
[17:42] <klemax> jeremy31: I need it for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724317
[17:43] <klemax> I hope it will fix my issue.
[17:44] <klemax> And also I'm gonna wait for the next kernel release to see if this solves.
[17:45] <jeremy31> klemax what issue?
[17:46] <klemax> jeremy31: I have a problem with suspend closing the lid.
[17:50] <klemax> brb, reboot time to test new kernel.
[18:19] <mimamau> Which is the right driver for Radeon HD7870 and Ubuntu 17.10?
[18:25] <haolez> i can't see my fw rules that I create with iptables in the CLI (via iptables -L) - what could be wrong? Ubuntu 16.04
[18:26] <Disaster_Area> hey, fsr when i type w/ certain characters
[18:26] <Disaster_Area> on my keyboard
[18:27] <Disaster_Area> it adds extra characters
[18:27] <Disaster_Area> help?
[18:27] <Disaster_Area> ;w;
[18:32] <vimart> Hi
[18:39] <brainwash> haolez: after a reboot?
[18:42] <haolez> brainwash: no - it gets ignored right away
[18:43] <skinux> How do I get a2dismod and a2enmod ?
[18:46] <brainwash> haolez: you probably have to specify the table with -t filter/nat/...
[18:46] <noah1> Ok guys, I have a problem. I burned an Ubuntu 17.10 image onto a PNY USB Drive 32 GB and the BIOS wont recognize it.
[18:47] <brainwash> "burned"?
[18:47] <brainwash> which tool did you use?
[18:47] <noah1> brainwash: LM
[18:47] <noah1> LM's USB Writer
[18:48] <brainwash> LM as in linux mint?
[18:48] <noah1> brainwash: Yup
[18:49] <noah1> And, after writing the ISO onto the USB, the BIOS wont recognize it.
[18:50] <brainwash> I would try with a different program then, ideally with dd from the command line
[18:50] <noah1> brainwash: Done that. Didn't work
[18:51] <brainwash> what did you try exactly?
[18:52] <noah1> brainwash: I've used dd, some other method in the terminal involving 7z and using LM's USB Image Writer.
[18:52] <brainwash> ok. did you try with another ISO file?
[18:52] <brainwash> different distro, or different ubuntu release
[18:53] <brainwash> to determine if this is an issue with the ubuntu iso file
[18:53] <noah1> brainwash: Yes. I've burned Linux Mint 18.1 and 18.2 ISOs on it and it worked. I've tried 16.04 and 17.10. I think there might something wrong with the Ubuntu ISO files.
[18:53] <brainwash> that's pretty odd then
[18:54] <noah1> Yup
[18:54] <brainwash> not sure what to suggest
[18:55] <brainwash> I assume that you've tested it with a different computer already
[18:55] <brainwash> to boot from the usb device
[18:55] <noah1> brainwash: I don't have another computer I can test with it.
[18:55] <akik> noah1: you need to umount all the usb stick partitions before using dd, then "sudo dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1024k; sync"
[18:55] <brainwash> :/
[18:55] <noah1> akik: Yup already know that
[18:55] <akik> noah1: all ubuntu isos i've written on an usb stick have worked
[18:56] <noah1> akik: Then what do you think might be the problem?
[18:57] <akik> noah1: do you have another usb stick to test with?
[18:58] <noah1> akik: Just to make sure, I did what you recommended.
[18:58] <noah1> akik: No
[18:59] <noah1> akik: Will dd automatically unmount the usb device?
[18:59] <akik> noah1: no because it doesn't even mount it
[18:59] <akik> noah1: but sync must be run after dd
[19:00] <noah1> akik: Ok.
[19:00] <noah1> Ok, I'm going to try it out again in a bit.
[19:03] <t0no6a> :-) Hey!
[19:04] <Sveta> greetings
[19:13] <p1l0t> So I installed some bad drivers for graphics card and it crashed my ubuntu
[19:13] <p1l0t> It freezes on the login screen and I can't even enter my password
[19:22] <ikonia> p1l0t: how did you install "bad drivers"
[19:24] <Teremy> hi, how can I update from Ubuntu 15.10 to the current ( 17.10 ) version? i tried apt-get dist-upgrade but it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed...
[19:25] <Bashing-om> !eol | Teremy
[19:25] <p1l0t> ikonia: I downloaded them, compiled, and now it crashes. I was able to boot an older kernel like 4.8 or something and get to a command line.
[19:31] <Teremy> Bashing-om: thanks, I'll have a look
[19:33] <ikonia> you downloaded and compiled them....what are they
[19:33] <nbusrone> I have a problem , my 2nd internal hard disk sometimes auto unmount after a period of time and it's random .How do I check the log knowing the reason for it ?
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Teremy: Long hard road : 15.10 - 16.04 - 16.10 - 17.04 - 17.10 to get to current . ( 16.04 is upported 'til 2019) .
[19:34] <Teremy> im doing it for learning purpose ;) i know I could just install a fresh ubuntu
[19:35] <Bashing-om> Teremy: :) .. I did the same from 12.04 to current . It can be done .
[19:35] <Teremy> good to hear :)
[19:37] <p1l0t> ikonia: from nvidia for GTX1060
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Teremy: Pay attention to the instructions. You want the system as close to defaults as you can get it . screen saver turned off !
[19:45] <nbusrone> I have a problem , my 2nd internal hard disk sometimes auto unmount after a period of time and it's random .How do I check the log knowing the reason for it ?
[19:49] <Bashing-om> nbusrone: If there is a problem, I would expect it to be reported in /var/log/syslog .
[19:49] <de-facto_> dont forget to check smart attributes on it too (e.g. in disks)
[19:50] <de-facto_> maybe even run the self test
[19:51] <Bashing-om> nbusrone: Once can watch real time . open another terminal and run ' journalctl -f ' .
[19:55] <ikonia> p1l0t: just remove it then and use the packaged one from ubuntu
[20:01] <p1l0t> ikonia: working on it
[20:01] <Bashing-om> p1l0t: Might be of use : ./Nvidiawhatever.run --uninstall (must be cd'd to the directory/location) . depending on how you installed the OEM driver .
[20:03] <dedze> Hi, I opened my terminal and this happened : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25949288/
[20:04] <dedze> Do anyone have any idea what happened? My computer was freezing a bit because of steam and I wanted to forceclose it with xkill
[20:09] <p1l0t> Bashing-om: Yes big help
[20:16] <egrain> can i upgrade to 16.04 via command line? i have a 15.10 here, but when i do apt-get update it gives me a lot of couldn't not reach. so is there a command to upgrade to 16.04?
[20:21] <Ben64> egrain: what is the error
[20:21] <Ben64> oh wait, i know what it is
[20:21] <Ben64> !eolupgrade | egrain
[20:24] <egrain> when i do "do-release-upgrade -d" it tells me no share found? share? it's german. it says freigabe. no idea what the exact term is.
[20:27] <ioria> egrain, did you read  the link  Ben64  posted for you ?
[20:27] <nbusrone> Bashing-om : i got the log but not sure which line was it .will post next time
[20:28] <nbusrone> Bashing-om : thanks :)
[20:28] <ioria> nbusrone, dmesg | grep -i ata
[20:29] <neredsenvy> How do I unset variables set by command ". .env"
[20:30] <bcowan> env -i
[20:30] <egrain> ioria, i looked at it. i expect this to be easier. i did the gui version then. i just didn't want to get up.
[20:30] <egrain> thanks though.
[20:30] <neredsenvy> bcowan: does not work
[20:30] <neredsenvy> variables still there
[20:31] <ikonia> unset
[20:31] <Bashing-om> egrain: the -d is development release . There is none at this present time ( pending is 18.04 ) .
[20:31] <Ben64> egrain: well it's easier if you do it before your version becomes unsupported
[20:31] <egrain> Bashing-om, so if i had done just do-the-mario without d it would have updated to 16.04?
[20:32] <egrain> Ben64, mom laptop. only uses it when she goes on holiday. i'm sure you know how it is.
[20:32] <Ben64> i put LTS versions on my laptops, so I'm good for 5 years instead of 9 months
[20:33] <ioria> egrain, nope, you are unsupported by now
[20:34] <egrain> ioria, what?
[20:34] <nbusrone> ioria  : thank  i think i wil post againt tomorrow , happen not knowing the reason. just now was running VM and get unmout and vm stopped.
[20:34] <egrain> ioria, oh, you mean the do-themario -d thing. got it.
[20:35] <egrain> well it works just fine in the gui it seems.
[20:35] <ioria> egrain, you can't use do-release-upgrade with your current sources.list
[20:35] <egrain> updating to 16.04.
[20:35] <egrain> is that the newest?
[20:35] <egrain> i read something 17.10...
[20:35] <ikonia> do-themario ?
[20:35] <ikonia> what
[20:35] <trekkie1701c> Here's a question.  Anyone have a relatively decent x86-64 tablet (not ARM) that they've successfully put Ubuntu on?  My Google-Fu is only bringing up old devices.
[20:36] <egrain> ikonia, that one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:36] <egrain> oh, wait.
[20:36] <egrain> ikonia, that one: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:36] <egrain> sorry, wrong paste.
[20:36] <ikonia> what are you talking about "do-themario"
[20:37] <trekkie1701c> You install a NES emulator, apparently
[20:37] <bcowan> watch out fot the goombas
[20:37] <bcowan> for
[20:39] <ioria> neredsenvy, https://www.computerhope.com/unix/uenv.htm
[20:42] <noah1> I'm trying a CD now
[20:42] <noah1> Burning right now
[20:43] <egrain> so, can i update from 16.04 to 17.10 via console? CODENAME? can't i just say: i'll take the newest one, thanks?
[20:44] <egrain> i'm not amused.
[20:44] <noah1> egrain: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/upgrade-to-ubuntu-17-10
[20:44] <ikonia> egrain: why do you want to upgrade from 16.04 ?
[20:44] <jeremy31> noah1 do you mean DVD
[20:44] <egrain> ioria, shouldn't i? i've been taught to use the newest stable.
[20:44] <ikonia> egrain: you've been naught wrong
[20:44] <rmj1002> if you upgrade from 16.04, you will lose the 4 year support
[20:44] <egrain> ikonia, but if you say i don't have to, i won't.
[20:45] <ikonia> egrain: 17.10 will be dead in 9 months, do you want to do that ?
[20:45] <egrain> oh.
[20:45] <egrain> how am i supposed to know that?
[20:45] <rmj1002> wait until 18.04 LTS
[20:45] <trekkie1701c> Ubuntu has two versions.  One is labeled LTS
[20:45] <ioria> egrain, not necessarily
[20:45] <ikonia> read the ubuntu.com web page
[20:45] <trekkie1701c> For Long Term Support
[20:45] <noah1> jeremy31: Yup
[20:45] <noah1> jeremy31: Didn't know you were here. I thought you were in LM
[20:45] <ikonia> the versions and support lifecycle are detailed quite clearly
[20:45] <rmj1002> LTS versions are supported for 4 years
[20:45] <ioria> egrain, only if you have hw issues , or you need newer sw
[20:45] <ikonia> 5 years
[20:46] <noah1> ikonia: I'm going to 17.10
[20:46] <ikonia> noah1: and ?
[20:46] <jeremy31> noah1, I am on both, and moderate on both forums
[20:46] <noah1> jeremy31: Nice.
[20:46] <rmj1002> sorry. nvmd. point is, they are supported for a long time egrain\
[20:46] <noah1> ikonia: And why do they have a version of Ubuntu that is only supported for 9 months?
[20:46] <noah1> What's the point of that?
[20:46] <rmj1002> idk
[20:46] <ikonia> noah1: so they have a development platform to build towards the next stable release
[20:46] <noah1> ikonia: Ah, ok.
[20:46] <jeremy31> noah1 Linux Mint did the same until LM 17 was released
[20:47] <noah1> jeremy31: Oh, did not know that.
[20:47] <noah1> From that point on, all LM releases are LTS?
[20:48] <ikonia> no
[20:48] <ikonia> mint is also not the dicussion for this channel
[20:48] <noah1> Yeah, I know. Just wanted to ask a simply question.
[20:48] <noah1> I'm going to see if my DVD is bootable. Brb
[20:56] <xpkill23> Cannot join #ubuntu.de (Channel is invite only)
[20:57] <ikonia> !de
[20:59] <xpkill23>  Kann nicht betreten: #ubuntu-de (Du wurdest gebannt)
[21:00] <ikonia> xpkill23: in english please ?
[21:01] <xpkill23> Can not enter: # ubuntu-de (You were banned)
[21:01] <Sven_vB> I tried to convert a PDF to greyscale using my battle-tested script for it, but today, suddenly, my ghostscript doesn't know the device "psgray" any longer. any ideas? GPL Ghostscript 9.10 (2013-08-30), Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS trusty
[21:01] <ikonia> xpkill23: I can see you are named in the ban list
[21:01] <ikonia> xpkill23: talk to one of the ubuntu-de operators to work it out
[21:05] <xpkill23> I do not know who is operater I know only one can not help but disgusting out of the way that works.
[21:05] <ikonia> xpkill23: the user is k1l - try #ubuntu-de-ops too
[21:06] <ikonia> xpkill23: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LocoTeam/IRC/#Verhalten-bei-Problemen
[21:06] <ikonia> xpkill23: try #ubuntu-de-ops you seem to know what the issue is
[21:14] <xpkill23> how should explain exactly so because banned take out
[21:14] <ikonia> xpkill23: talk to #ubuntu-de-ops please, not here
[21:15] <Hathadar> Where do I set the terminal font size in unity?
[21:15] <ikonia> xpkill23: /join #ubuntu-de-ops
[21:18] <xpkill23> Please do not idlen here (we reserve the idler "let go") - Next meeting: to be determined what is this
[21:19] <ikonia> xpkill23: talk in the channel, no here
[21:19] <xpkill23> okay
[21:19] <ikonia> xpkill23: you've joined and not even ssaid hello, you know what you have to do, no more discussion on in this channel about it please
[21:23] <eks> what is te channel related to ubuntu phone?
[21:23] <ikonia> eks: I think thats dead now as a channel
[21:23] <eks> I am the onlyon using ubuntu phone?
[21:23] <ikonia> eks: it's #ubuntu-phone
[21:24] <ikonia> sorry, I thought it was dead
[21:24] <eks> thank you
[21:40] <newdimension> When I'm trying different projects from github I usually have to install dependencies system-wdie e.g. sudo apt-get install -y libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev libzmq3-dev libgdbm-dev libncurses5-dev. What's the proper way to track user installed packages and routinely get rid of unused packages?
[21:42] <arunpyasi> ello everyone, where do I limit the number of mysql threads/instances ? I see a lots of memory is consumed by each thread/process when I see from htop
[21:47] <linoge> newdimension: lately I've been fond of using docker for such things
[21:48] <linoge> ymmv but after testing I just remove the container and move on
[21:50] <newdimension> linoge: That's one way to go about it. I was hoping to not have to introduce docker to my workflow at the moment though. But from my research I don't think there is a linux native to do what I want
[21:53] <linoge> newdimension: well you could always try and do lxc or chroot jails
[21:54] <newdimension> linoge: I'll have a look, thanks
[21:54] <linoge> There's also nix
[22:00] <JFox762> I have a question
[22:00] <JFox762> Lets just say, I want to see how a system will react after typing a certain.... deadly command
[22:01] <JFox762> would it be safe to simply run it inside a VM?
[22:01] <JFox762> Like the rm - r f /
[22:01] <JFox762> (No spaces in order to prevent someone copying it)
[22:01] <JFox762> err spaces added in order to prevent copying it by accident
[22:02] <akik> JFox762: yes it's safe in a vm. i don't know why you'd want to do it as it's been fixed
[22:02] <JFox762> I'm just curious what a Linux system would... look like after typing in tht command... without destroying a linux system i care about
[22:02] <JFox762> it's been fixed?
[22:02] <JFox762> what do you mean?
[22:03] <akik> JFox762: you need an additional option to remove the contents of the root fs
[22:03] <akik> JFox762: man rm
[22:06] <JFox762> is there a way to read a man page in an external text editor?
[22:07] <ocelotsloth> http://man.he.net/ works if you just want the text
[22:09] <pigeontxt> JFox762, man cmd | cat > test
[22:11] <JFox762> what is the name of the default, gui, text editor in ubuntu?
[22:11] <pigeontxt> gedit
[22:11] <JFox762> thanks
[22:13] <ocelotsloth> I'm having trouble with a fresh install of 17.10. It worked for about 10 minutes or so and now I get segfaults from Firefox and from apt. Any ideas to try and find the root cause? Here are the errors I'm getting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25950109/
[22:14] <JFox762> I tried installing cool-retro-term and it didn't seem to work... apparently it can't instlal some of the Dependencies
[22:15] <ocelotsloth> It's presenting the same as https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=773787 only the fix on that thread doesn't do anything for me
[22:16] <ocelotsloth> And firefox is crashing every about every 5 or 10 seconds
[22:19] <ocelotsloth> The two might not be related, but they both show as segfaults in dmesg paste.ubuntu.com/25950167
[22:21] <newdimension> I can't figure out what this does: echo 'local all taiga peer' | sudo -u postgres tee -a /etc/postgresql/9.5/main/pg_hba.conf > /dev/null. It seems to append 'local all taiga peer" to pg_hba but what's happening with /dev/null
[22:25] <akik> newdimension: i'm guessing it'll put any output that tee creates into /dev/null put not sure
[22:26] <newdimension> That makes sense
[22:32] <JFox762> _systemd_is_evil: What is SystemD? And why is it Evil?
[22:34] <Sveta> JFox762: it's an init system with a novel approach in contrast to what people used before; sysadmins hate change, and some hate systemd (or the way it was pushed to users who didn't seem to need it)
[22:35] <Sveta> JFox762: you can read about various init systems on the web and find which one seems kind enough to you
[22:37] <ocelotsloth> JFox762: If you've got the time, this is written by its original creator and goes into great detail http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
[22:37] <noah1> I'm going crazy. Turns out, it wasn't my USB's fault or the ISO's fault. It's just that Ubuntu needed to boot a different way. In the BIOS boot options, there is an option to boot from an EFI file. I booted from the EFI file and it went to the GRUB bootloader and I installed Ubuntu.
[22:38] <noah1> I'm on Ubuntu 17.10 right now. It's reallly comfy actually.
[22:38] <noah1> *really
[23:00] <JFox762> anyone ever used mapscii?
[23:02] <oerheks> nathan haines project,  https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/mapscii
[23:27] <semitones> Yo, how many peeps would recommend installing Ubuntu on a surface pro 3?
[23:33] <kk4ewt> semitones,  to be truthful i can recommend the surface pro
[23:33] <kk4ewt> can not
[23:34] <semitones> Is that bc of hardware support?
[23:38] <oerheks> not sure what te current status is with kernel 4.13
[23:38] <oerheks> or 4.14
[23:42] <kk4ewt> semitones,  yes because of the hardware
[23:43] <semitones> I've heard you need a USB hub to install it but I can't tell why
[23:45] <oerheks> we cannot comment on rumours :-D
[23:46] <arooni> hey team;  my headphone port output is gone in sound settings / pauvcontrol on ubuntu 16.04;  ideas?
[23:47] <Aech> Hi everyone. Is there a way to disable grouping of icons on the Gnome launcher? So that Windows titles appear instead of icons
[23:48] <Aech> Similar to how they appear in Gnome classic
[23:49] <oerheks> JFox762 telnet mapscii.me