[07:53] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:55] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:55] <SuperMatt> yo
[08:01] <SuperMatt> Bored now. I wonder if I can get put on garden leave
[08:03] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: chance would be a fine thing eh!
[08:03] <SuperMatt> I completed all of the important work on Friday. The rest is just fiddling around the edges
[08:07] <MooDoo> yeah been there done that before....i ended up not doing a lot for a month
[08:09] <SuperMatt> I've got a month and a half to kill!
[08:09] <MooDoo> ouch
[08:10] <SuperMatt> There's a few reasons why it's quite a long notice period, but suffice to say, it should have been 3 months!
[08:11] <MooDoo> you a manager?
[08:11] <SuperMatt> NO!
[08:12] <MooDoo> wow only asking :p
[08:12] <SuperMatt> It's a bit of an attempt by upper management to stop people from leaving, but my manager thinks it's too long
[08:13] <MooDoo> yeah it is, i'd end up playing doom for a month and half lol
[08:13] <SuperMatt> Already completed doom, and my work machine is a mac
[08:15] <SuperMatt> I could work on some personal projects
[08:15] <SuperMatt> But I don't have any in mind
[08:19] <MooDoo> I'm thiking of a macbook pro
[09:17] <andylockran> morning peep
[09:17] <andylockran> morning peeps
[09:21] <awilkins> Is there an official route being pursued to replace the HUD menu from Unity in GNOME 3?
[09:24] <awilkins> My workplace has obligingly said that if we want to use Linux we can, but are pushing towards a RedHat derivative (hopefully Fedora), so I've been test driving Fedora 27 on my personal gear. PixelSaver gets me over my initial aversion to the hideous waste of screen space on GNOME shell (I dunno if it's especially a HiDPI thing), Dash to Dock cures the "push the cursor against the left edge" itch that Unity has given me.
[09:26] <awilkins> And obvs I can reconfigure the button positions.. but I'll really miss the HUD menu in applications like GIMP where I only use a couple of menu commands (and thus displaying the menu is a waste of sapce) and thanks to HUD have never bothered to learn where they are in the menus.
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <diplo> Is the force to use a Redhat derivative just for support issues their side awilkins - but good progress in getting them to allow you, I've never had to ask luckily
[09:39] <awilkins> It's because RHEL is our "official" server platform
[09:39] <awilkins> So they have a bunch of scripts and things for hardening RHEL.
[09:40] <diplo> Ah right, hardening... hahah
[09:40] <awilkins> Now, I think diversity is good, what RHEL is vulnerable to Ubuntu may not be, your server is less likely to catch things from your workstation if they're not the same.
[09:41] <awilkins> Plus I hate GNOME shell :-)
[09:41] <awilkins> And I'm very used to Ubuntu
[09:41] <diplo> I use ubuntu on servers I run at work, and run centos in lxc containers and run Solus on my work machine
[09:42] <awilkins> So far I've managed to get a Fedora instance from "throw laptop out of window" to "I'll use this if I must" which is progress.
[09:42] <awilkins> PixelSaver + Dash to Dock get you most of that progress.
[09:43] <awilkins> I think that some of the suggestions for improving GNOME shell like "write your own chrome CSS to slim down the incredibly fat title bars" are redonkulous though.
[09:43] <awilkins> I have to say I don't really like the direction that the GNOME devs are taking and I think that losing Unity is a real shame.
[09:45] <diplo> Me either, which is why I'm trying Solus :)
[09:45] <diplo> Like Budgie, didn't want Gnome2 esque and had some other issues with Mate
[09:46] <awilkins> Would be very happy to stick with 16.04 until 2021 TBH
[09:50] <SuperMatt> Personally I love Gnome Shell, and think it was the right decision for Ubuntu to run with it
[09:55] <awilkins> May I ask, did you love it out of the box, or did you customize it a lot?
[09:57] <SuperMatt> I have a couple of customisations - namely changing alt+tab back to what it ought to be, but otherwise I find gnome shell - and the ubuntu version - to be very good at behaving the way I expect - which is to stay out of my way.
[09:58] <awilkins> There are still a few things I suspect will continue to irk me ; like the workspace layout being a tall stack rather than being able to use a 2d grid
[09:58] <SuperMatt> You mean it's not a tiling windo manager?
[10:00] <awilkins> No, the virtual desktops ; I've used a 2x2 desktop set for over a decade and have places I keep things ; like "comms" email, chat, etc, goes on my top-right desktop
[10:00] <diplo> Are you running 17.10 SuperMatt ?
[10:00] <SuperMatt> diplo: yup
[10:00] <diplo> So that is quite customised compared to say Fedora
[10:00] <awilkins> GNOME shell has no top-right desktop because it's multiple desktops are a tall stack
[10:00] <SuperMatt> awilkins: I see what you mean, but I wouldn't be surprised if that can be modded in
[10:00] <diplo> I've still never got into running virtual desktops, I always forget I have stuff open on them :)
[10:01] <SuperMatt> diplo: yes it is slightly, but not to the nth degree
[10:02] <awilkins> One thing I always want to do is have a wallpaper that has areas to put files for workflow... but that's just writing an SVG or whatever
[10:02] <awilkins> That was a total segue
[10:02] <awilkins> AFAICT the main customization in 17.10 is that forked version of Dash to Dock
[10:02] <SuperMatt> yup
[10:03] <awilkins> Which as I said, makes GNOME shell for a Unity user much more tolerable (I must push the cursor against the left margin about 10 times an hour)
[10:05] <awilkins> I think if GNOME shell could get a 2d workspace grid and the HUD menu I'd be entirely happy switching to it (notwithstanding some horrible crashes I've run into when doing things like fullscreening VLC while an overlay indicator is showing)
[10:05] <SuperMatt> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/
[10:05] <awilkins> (I'm presuming those things are down to the newness of the combo of Wayland + whatever compositor GNOME shell uses on Fedora)
[17:36] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i'm stuck trying to scp a backup from 2 machines that can't directly talk, some vlan issues, from a 3rd party box.
[17:36] <NET||abuse> so first problem is the source box with the backup file, is behind a jumphost, the destination box is not.
[17:37] <NET||abuse> and so i am on an intermediary host that can hit the destination box and the jumphost box, the destinatino box CANNOT hit the jump box
[17:37] <NET||abuse> so i am trying to do scp -o 'ProxyJump jump.box.addr'  sourcebox:/path/to/file.tar.gz destination.box:/path/to/newfilt.tar.gz
[17:38] <NET||abuse> but ofcourse, ProxyJump tried to proxy BOTH boxes.
[17:38] <NET||abuse> it may also be required for me to use the -3 command to get it to stream the file between hsots.
[17:38] <NET||abuse> anyone know a way around this?
[17:44] <penguin42> NET||abuse: You should be able to set things like ProxyJump on a per host basis in your ssh config
[17:45] <penguin42> NET||abuse: something like   in  .ssh/config
[17:45] <penguin42>    Host sourcebox
[17:45] <penguin42>        ProxyJump jump.box.add
[17:45] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Oh and note that while -3 is good it's error reporting stinks, if it fails it'll just shrug
[17:59] <daftykins> is storage space an issue for just doing it twice...