[00:03] <noah1> I have Ubuntu 17.10 installed now. What themes do you guys recommend?
[00:03] <Sveta> it depends on your environment and preferences
[00:04] <noah1> Sveta: I like themes that are flat. I already found an icon theme that I like. I just need a desktop theme.
[00:04] <noah1> Papirus is my Icon theme
[00:04] <Sveta> what environment are you using? is it gnome?
[00:05] <noah1> Sveta: That is default on Ubuntu 17.10.
[00:05] <noah1> SO, yes.
[00:07] <zqvt8> hi, is there any way to get amd hdmi audio output working on 17.10?
[00:08] <gogeta> zqvt8, try turning it on with the pulse controle panel
[00:11] <zqvt8> gogeta, hdmi shows up as unplugged in the settings. Might this be a driver issue? I think they worked with amd gpu pro on 16.04
[00:11] <gogeta> zqvt8, in pulse volume controle go to the output tab and hdmi
[00:11] <gogeta> zqvt8, oh diffrent issue then
[00:12] <gogeta> zqvt8, you said audio not no video
[00:12] <zqvt8> yes, hdmi audio output, video is working fine
[00:13] <gogeta> zqvt8, then check the pulse settings
[00:13] <gogeta> zqvt8, you normal have to slect that output
[00:13] <gogeta> normaly
[00:13] <akik> zqvt8: install pavucontrol
[00:14] <gogeta> zqvt8, yea if not installed install it but it should be
[00:15] <akik> zqvt8: then you can change between hdmi audio and laptop speakers in the configuration tab
[00:16] <gogeta> akik, same for the outtab depending on that you set to defult
[00:16] <gogeta> output
[00:16] <zqvt8> akik, I did that already. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-AMDGPU-DC-Kernel this post seems to suggest that the support is gone since some newer kernel version
[00:17] <gogeta> zqvt8, i dought that
[00:17] <akik> zqvt8: i used it today :)
[00:17] <akik> oh amd gpu. not sure about that
[00:18] <gogeta> zqvt8, hdmi audi is off by defult you just have to turn it on threw pulse
[00:19] <gogeta> zqvt8, oh i see
[00:19] <gogeta> zqvt8, you can try his kernel then
[00:19] <zqvt8> that won't fix it, I'll have to go down with the kernel version so that I can use the proprietary driver.
[00:20] <gogeta> zqvt8, you can more then 1 insalled
[00:20] <gogeta> zqvt8, keep the custom one for when you need hdmi etc
[00:21] <gogeta> zqvt8, it should have no negtive effects
[00:21] <zqvt8> yep, seems like it. If anybody here knows when support arrives in the open source driver would be thankful to know.
[00:21] <gogeta> zqvt8, i think it is but ubuntu does not run the latest stuff
[00:21] <gogeta> zqvt8, i run arch and i think its in
[00:22] <zqvt8> oh okay
[00:22] <gogeta> zqvt8, i think 4.14 added it
[00:26] <gogeta> zqvt8, the issue is amd is very sloppy with there code and it gets removed
[00:26] <gogeta> zqvt8, then they clean it up and it gets put back so its always hit and miss
[00:27] <zqvt8> gogeta, if it's in 4.14 I might just upgrade right?
[00:27] <gogeta> zqvt8, you can try that yes
[01:47] <coolchris> hello i heard real men intall their os by reading the book at linuxfromscratch.org
[01:48] <oerheks> we cannot comment on rumours
[02:03] <Pyro_Killer> Hello fellow ubuntuers, I am trying to get a postfix server up and running with s-nail, and I'm running in to a problem
[02:03] <Pyro_Killer> I'm following this guide, there are many variants, but the same:
[02:04] <Pyro_Killer> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-on-ubuntu-16-04
[02:05] <Pyro_Killer> on the 7th step the command: "echo 'init' | mail -s 'init' -Snorecord pyro" is supposed to initialize a mail directory structure, it does however not
[02:05] <Pyro_Killer> It used to be a problem because of some library, but it's supposed to already be patched, but I can not get it to work
[02:14] <Pyro_Killer> on 2 instances of Ubuntu at this stage
[03:03] <Chilestuff> Greetings denizens
[03:03] <Chilestuff> Anyone alive for help?
[03:03] <ponyrider> half alive, half dead
[03:03] <Chilestuff> Close enough  :)
[03:04] <Chilestuff> I am new to all things Linux, just installed Ubuntu, but can't find any way of getting system info, as in video and audio hardware info
[03:05] <lordcirth> Chilestuff, short info, or all of the info?
[03:06] <lordcirth> 'lspci' will list all devices connected via PCI
[03:06] <Spec> lspci -v, lsusb -v, dmesg
[03:06] <Chilestuff> I have installed it next to XP Pro, but apparently my hardware is too new for XP to see, and I need to know what it is so I can find drivers
[03:06] <lordcirth> 'sudo lshw' will show everything
[03:06] <gogeta> Chilestuff, drivers are included in linux
[03:06] <Chilestuff> Is that thru terminal?
[03:06] <oerheks> LoLz, xp pro drivers
[03:06]  * Chilestuff has little experience with command line
[03:07] <lordcirth> Chilestuff, yes, through the terminal.  Why do you have XP Pro?
[03:07] <gogeta> Chilestuff, if your hardware is hat old any drivers linux has out of the box
[03:07] <oerheks> on an i7/nvme/amd 1060 ?
[03:07] <Chilestuff> Because none of my o;d games will run in winblows 7
[03:08] <gogeta> Chilestuff, they should if you install dx9
[03:08] <Chilestuff> Processor is an AMD 64 dual core something
[03:08] <lordcirth> Chilestuff, games that are old enough to run only on XP might be better run in an XP virtual machine or in Wine
[03:09] <gogeta> there is wined3d
[03:09] <Chilestuff> hmm
[03:09] <lordcirth> Cossacks: Back to War, for example, I've run in an XP VM
[03:09] <gogeta> thats for windows to run old games
[03:09] <gogeta> its new thow
[03:09] <Chilestuff> Actually, I'm specifically wanting all the old Baldurs Gate series, IWD< NWN, etc
[03:11] <Chilestuff> I was told there are linux versions, but I already paid for the windows disks
[03:11] <gogeta> Chilestuff, dosbox could handel that
[03:11] <lordcirth> Chilestuff, winehq's page on running it: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=157
[03:11] <lordcirth> Yeah, there's also dosbox
[03:11] <Chilestuff> How do I find dosbox, and set it up?
[03:12] <Chilestuff> I would love to run my games inside Ubuntu
[03:12] <lordcirth> http://www.dosbox.com/ ?
[03:12] <gogeta> Chilestuff, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DOSBox
[03:13] <oerheks> playonlinux, a bunch of scripts for wine
[03:13] <lordcirth> oh right, I forgot there's a pkg
[03:13] <gogeta> Chilestuff, dosbox can handel most dos games
[03:13] <lordcirth> playonlinux is nice, yeah
[03:13] <Chilestuff> XP can't see my sound or video card, or 2 of 3 usb ports
[03:13] <gogeta> oerheks, playon kinda sucks
[03:13] <gogeta> opal, lutis ownes it
[03:13] <gogeta> lutris
[03:14] <gogeta> Chilestuff, run xp in a vm
[03:14] <gogeta> Chilestuff, vm can emulate dx9
[03:15] <gogeta> Chilestuff, virtual box can emulate a 3d card hence many games work inside it your i7 should have no issue with that
[03:16] <Chilestuff> Seems dosbox don't run BG
[03:16] <gogeta> Chilestuff, if its a windows exe wine will if its dos dosbox will
[03:16] <Chilestuff> Pwine?
[03:17] <Chilestuff> er, wine
[03:17] <gogeta> !wine'
[03:17] <gogeta> pfft
[03:17] <Chilestuff> !wine
[03:17] <Chilestuff> Sweet
[03:17] <gogeta> Chilestuff, wine is relly good with old stuff
[03:18] <gogeta> Chilestuff, apps like lutris and play on linux have scripts to help make it easy
[03:18] <Chilestuff> Please speak to me as you would an idiot child .. essentially true as I have no knowledge of anything linux
[03:18] <oerheks> windows 7 does have such options too, to run as xp
[03:18] <Chilestuff> I just installed Ubuntu today
[03:18] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you chould use a vm on windows 7 as well and dosbox
[03:19] <Chilestuff> So wine is a vm I can play my old xp games on
[03:19] <gogeta> Chilestuff, no wine does not emulate windows a vm does
[03:19] <gogeta> Chilestuff, something like vurtalbox
[03:19] <adv_> installed mono-complete and wine-stable, but cannot run my vb.net application
[03:19] <gogeta> Chilestuff, wine is just a compatble layer
[03:20] <adv_> do i need wine-mono?
[03:20] <Chilestuff> Ok, you've switched to greek on me  :)
[03:21] <gogeta> Chilestuff, wine does not emulate windows it only runs the programs a vm emulates the entire os
[03:21] <Chilestuff> What should I do to make my xp games run in linux?
[03:21] <Chilestuff> Ahh
[03:21] <Chilestuff> So I used the wrong syntax
[03:21] <Chilestuff> But wine will let me play
[03:21] <gogeta> Chilestuff, a vm is like having a second pc
[03:22] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yes it will indeed
[03:22] <Chilestuff> Kewl
[03:23] <GhostwalkGames> Yeh wine is a less "drastic" step than a VM
[03:23] <Chilestuff> I like less drastic
[03:24] <gogeta> GhostwalkGames, will wine can be a real bear sometimes
[03:24] <Chilestuff> Techno;ogy hates me ... the simpler the better
[03:24] <GhostwalkGames> I actually run Ubuntu itself in a VM at the moment, I use XFCE to keep ram free
[03:25] <gogeta> Chilestuff, but running stuff as old as your talking should be pretty out of the box
[03:25] <GhostwalkGames> Might try Ubuntu Mate tomorrow its meant to be pretty lightweight too
[03:26] <Chilestuff> Well I actually has IWD running in windows 7, but something updated and hosed it
[03:26] <gogeta> Chilestuff, just install wine and click on the .exe
[03:26] <Chilestuff> Looking for the installer now
[03:26] <gogeta> Chilestuff, sudo apt-get install wine
[03:27] <Chilestuff> You may need to be more specific, ?sudo apt?
[03:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, sudo apt-get install wine wine-gecko wine-mono
[03:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, thats to install wine
[03:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, from the termnal
[03:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its just easer then hunting down the packages from the app store
[03:30] <Chilestuff> Oh, so I type all that into terminal
[03:31] <Chilestuff> Doh!
[03:31] <Chilestuff> Package 'wine' has no installation candidate
[03:31] <donofrio_> GhostwalkGames, I use w10 corp 1703 with wsl and ubuntu 17.04 my "daily driver"
[03:31] <donofrio_> GhostwalkGames, with xcfe4 (windows 10 the 15 gbbbbbbb bootloader - lol)
[03:31] <gogeta> Chilestuff, go figure
[03:31] <Chilestuff> Familiar with Murphy's Law?
[03:32] <gogeta> Chilestuff, ubuntu probly changed the command
[03:32] <Chilestuff> Got nothin on Chile's Law
[03:32] <Chilestuff> "Even if it defies the laws of physics, where I'm involved it's gonna find a way to go wrong"
[03:32] <Chilestuff> :P
[03:33] <gogeta> Chilestuff, seems ubuntu no longer host it
[03:33] <GhostwalkGames> Yeah Ubuntu 17.10 is a nice daily driver my other main is Fedora 26
[03:33] <Chilestuff> figures
[03:34] <Chilestuff> So does it still run in Ubuntu, or am I hosed
[03:34] <gogeta> Chilestuff, https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[03:34] <GhostwalkGames> Ubuntu removed Wine from apt ?
[03:34] <Chilestuff> W00t!
[03:34] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you need to add it
[03:34] <gogeta> GhostwalkGames, seems so
[03:35] <GhostwalkGames> Not sure why they'd do that
[03:35] <Chilestuff> hmm
[03:36] <Chilestuff> Ok, I'm used to clicking a link and getting a file
[03:36] <Chilestuff> What do I do with this?
[03:36] <gogeta> Chilestuff, hua
[03:36] <gogeta> Chilestuff, those are termnal commands
[03:36] <Chilestuff> Sorry, winblows orphan here ..
[03:37] <donofrio_> GhostwalkGames, mine is installing right now, ubuntu 17.04
[03:37] <GhostwalkGames> Right click on desktop- "Create terminal here"
[03:37] <donofrio_> (at least I think its native ubuntu on this imac)
[03:38] <GhostwalkGames> My most-used VM is currently on 16.04
[03:38] <Chilestuff> nothing happened
[03:38] <gogeta> Chilestuff, did you add it key and repo
[03:39] <GhostwalkGames> Did you manage to open terminal?
[03:39] <Chilestuff> Oh I got terminal, but I obviously added the wrong thing
[03:39] <gogeta> Chilestuff, no
[03:40] <gogeta> Chilestuff, did t ask you to add the repo and key with those 3 comands
[03:40] <gogeta> wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/Release.key
[03:40] <gogeta> sudo apt-key add Release.key
[03:40] <gogeta> sudo apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
[03:40] <donofrio_> oh turns out I'm 16.04 myslef on this imac
[03:40] <Chilestuff> I started with "on linux mint" etc
[03:41] <donofrio_> and it just installed wine just fine
[03:41] <GhostwalkGames> Yeh most Buntu users are 16.04 probably
[03:41] <Chilestuff> I see
[03:41] <Chilestuff> One sec
[03:42] <gogeta> GhostwalkGames, yea i think 16.04 still had it seems newer took it out
[03:42] <gogeta> GhostwalkGames, probly keeping dated versions on wine was stupid anyways
[03:43] <GhostwalkGames> Yeh I guess so
[03:43] <Chilestuff> Ok I got nuthin
[03:43] <gogeta> Chilestuff, now sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <gogeta> Chilestuff, then after that done sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
[03:44] <Ben64> wine is still in ubuntu
[03:44] <Chilestuff> Is anything supposed to happen?
[03:44] <Ben64> it is an older version though, so i'd use the winehq repo anyway
[03:44] <Chilestuff> All that an nothing happened
[03:44] <gogeta> Chilestuff, umm what
[03:45] <donofrio_> I'll check on my macbookpro in a moment and see what ubuntu its at
[03:45] <Chilestuff> I mean I pasted all those commands into terminal and got squat
[03:45] <gogeta> ot possableChilestuff, thats np
[03:45] <Chilestuff> No response, nothing
[03:45] <gogeta> Chilestuff, thats not possable
[03:45] <Ben64> did you do sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
[03:46]  * Chilestuff refers you to Chile's Law
[03:46] <Ben64> because that's the one that does stuff
[03:46] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/wine-stable
[03:46] <Chilestuff> Do I need the sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 ?
[03:47] <gogeta> Chilestuff, those are all sepret commands
[03:47] <Chilestuff> Yes
[03:47] <gogeta> Chilestuff, but it seems its there
[03:47] <Chilestuff> All 3
[03:47] <gogeta> sudo apt-get install wine-stable
[03:48] <donofrio_> I installed wine now checking to see if battlefield 1942 works with it on my imac
[03:49] <Chilestuff> hmm
[03:49] <gogeta> Chilestuff, did wine stable install
[03:50] <Chilestuff> I've done it a couple times, but I may have screwed up
[03:50] <Chilestuff> Nothing installed
[03:50] <gogeta> Chilestuff, thats not not possable
[03:50] <Ben64> Chilestuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:50] <Chilestuff> I paste the commands in treminal and get no response
[03:51] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you pressing enter
[03:51] <Chilestuff> pastebin? clever
[03:51] <Chilestuff> Yes I hit enter
[03:51] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you should have got a respons of stuff downloading and installing
[03:51] <Chilestuff> And it drops to a > and nothing else
[03:51] <gogeta> Chilestuff, are you in termnal
[03:51] <Chilestuff> yes
[03:52] <Ben64> > means you typed it wrong
[03:52] <gogeta> Chilestuff, ok lets make this easy open your softwhere store and search for wine
[03:52] <Ben64> which is why you should pastebin what you're doing
[03:52] <Chilestuff> Sorry, I told you I was an idiot  :/
[03:53] <gogeta> for most copy and past is easy but ok
[03:54] <Chilestuff> No wine in store
[03:54] <donofrio_> I just did apt-get install wine -y and its here
[03:54] <Chilestuff> Please start over
[03:54] <gogeta> Chilestuff, sudo apt-get install wine-stable
[03:54] <Chilestuff> What is the first command I enter into terminal?
[03:54] <gogeta> copy and paste that
[03:55] <gogeta> without your nane
[03:55] <gogeta> name
[03:55] <Chilestuff> Ok that worked
[03:55] <gogeta> :)
[03:55] <Chilestuff> No i didn't use my nick the first try
[03:56] <gogeta> after thats done you should be able to install your game and play it
[03:56] <Chilestuff> But I probably started with the wrong command
[03:56] <Chilestuff> I hope so ... it's running a LOT of stuff
[03:57] <Chilestuff> You mean that one command will DL and install wine?
[03:57] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yes
[03:57] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its doing rite now isnt it
[03:58] <Chilestuff> Ya know, once I get used to this, I think I'm gonna love it  :)
[03:58] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yea once you know cli its so easy
[03:58] <Chilestuff> I dunno WHAT it's doing, but it's doing it a lot
[03:58] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its installing wine and eveything it needs
[03:58] <gogeta> Chilestuff, normaly your ui whont show that
[03:59] <oerheks> tip: instal synaptic, a detailed softwarecenter
[03:59] <gogeta> yea synaptic is very handy
[03:59] <Chilestuff> I appreciate all the help. Usually a newb gets ragged hard for stupidity
[03:59] <gogeta> Chilestuff, naa ubuntu is built for news
[03:59] <Chilestuff> That's what I heard, why I chose it
[04:00] <Chilestuff> Ok, next question .. since I don't need XP, how can I delete it's partition and merge it with the linux partition?
[04:01] <gogeta> Chilestuff, from what i see your game is rated platnum on wine
[04:01] <Chilestuff> BTW, UI is showing nothing, but terminal is still open and it;s very active
[04:01] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you would neeed to do that from your live cd using gparted
[04:02] <Chilestuff> Kewl
[04:02] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you cant do it on a active system
[04:02] <Chilestuff> Understandable
[04:02] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you would remove xp then expand your linux one
[04:03] <Chilestuff> Easy enough
[04:03] <gogeta> Chilestuff, make shure you update grub as well or it will freak out
[04:03] <Chilestuff> grub?
[04:03] <gogeta> Chilestuff, the boot loader
[04:04] <Chilestuff> How do I update it?
[04:04] <Neo1> Hi how turn on this module on appach? mod_expires.c
[04:04] <Neo1> and check all available modules
[04:04] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its a ternaml command update-grub
[04:05] <gogeta> Chilestuff, anyways your games rated to have no issue on wine
[04:05] <Chilestuff> After partition merge, update-grub
[04:05] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yea
[04:06] <oerheks> Neo1, a2enmod expires http://linuxpitstop.com/configure-apache-mod_expires-on-file-extensions/
[04:06] <gogeta> Chilestuff, sudo update-grub
[04:06] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it simply will remove the windows entry
[04:06] <Chilestuff> sudo seems to be important
[04:07] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yes its escalated prevliges for mmodfying system settings
[04:07] <Chilestuff> Ahh
[04:07] <Chilestuff> hmm
[04:07] <gogeta> Chilestuff, standers for super user do
[04:08] <gogeta> stands
[04:08] <Chilestuff> where in the store should I find wine? There's a LOT of new stuff
[04:08] <gogeta> Chilestuff, wine should be installed your done
[04:08] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you should have a menu entry now called wine
[04:09] <gogeta> Chilestuff, now you just run a exe like you would in windows
[04:09] <Chilestuff> hmm, menu entry? "Show applications"?
[04:09] <gogeta> Chilestuff, yea i forget unity ui
[04:10] <gogeta> Chilestuff, if your termnel is done just click a windows exe
[04:10] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it should open
[04:10] <gogeta> Chilestuff, if not right click open with wine launcher
[04:11] <gogeta> Chilestuff, so your installer setup.exe
[04:12] <Neo1> where in ubuntu httpd.config? I can't find where is list of LoadModules
[04:13] <Neo1> there /etc/apache2
[04:13] <Neo1> doesn't exists that file, many small files instead
[04:14] <Chilestuff> hmm
[04:14] <Chilestuff> found wine with "open with", but it won't load
[04:14] <Chilestuff> err, launch
[04:15] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it should boldergate isnt listed as nedding anything
[04:15] <Chilestuff> Oh I'm trying Neverwinter Nights
[04:15] <gogeta> Chilestuff, is it the gog version?
[04:15] <gogeta> Chilestuff, oh
[04:15] <Chilestuff> No, old windows disk
[04:16] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its also lsted as not nedding anything
[04:16] <Chilestuff> I'm sure it is  :P
[04:16] <gogeta> Chilestuff, oh it needs 32bit and dx9 for neverwinter
[04:17] <Chilestuff> did that come in wine?
[04:17] <gogeta> Chilestuff, a good app to use to help you is llutris
[04:17] <gogeta> lutris
[04:17] <gogeta> or play on linux
[04:17] <gogeta> Chilestuff, they have pre settings for games
[04:18] <Chilestuff> How do I get it?
[04:19] <gogeta> https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
[04:19] <gogeta> thers instructions
[04:21] <gogeta> Chilestuff, also neverwinter has a native linux version
[04:21] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you dont need wine
[04:21] <Chilestuff> How much and where?
[04:22] <Chilestuff> Seems a shame to buy it twice, but at this point, worth it
[04:22] <gogeta> no
[04:22] <gogeta> it uses your cd
[04:23] <Chilestuff> ok playonlinux done
[04:23] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it will have scripts to install game
[04:24] <Chilestuff> Hidden folder?
[04:24] <gogeta> Chilestuff, pol works on mostly cd style
[04:24] <gogeta> Chilestuff, if you installed it it will show up as play on linux
[04:24] <gogeta> under games
[04:24] <gogeta> Chilestuff, or on your show apps
[04:24] <Chilestuff> I didn't install it on linux
[04:25] <gogeta> ?
[04:25] <Chilestuff> Only in xp of another partition
[04:25] <gogeta> install what
[04:25] <Chilestuff> NWN
[04:25] <gogeta> oh
[04:25] <Chilestuff> That's the whole reason I installed XP ... so I could play
[04:26] <gogeta> Chilestuff, then you would need to take more setups to setup wine as 32bit and dc9
[04:26] <gogeta> dx9
[04:26] <Chilestuff> Ahh
[04:26] <Chilestuff> Man I owe you huge for your help
[04:26] <Chilestuff> Do you like spicy foods
[04:26] <Chilestuff> ?
[04:26] <gogeta> Chilestuff, lol
[04:27] <Chilestuff> check out chilestuff.com
[04:27] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it may be a bit diffcult to teach you prefixes lol
[04:27] <Chilestuff> I'll learn
[04:27] <gogeta> Chilestuff, a good ui is q4wine
[04:27] <Chilestuff> Already learning a lot, and just installed Ubuntu
[04:27] <Neo1> is desktop version better for learning ubuntu server?
[04:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it helps with manage prefixes with a ui
[04:28] <Neo1> I've installed server version and can't learn folder structure. Dark screen annoying.
[04:28] <gogeta> Chilestuff, bascily you make a 32bit prefix and add dx9 to it
[04:28] <gogeta> with winetricks
[04:29] <gogeta> Chilestuff, then neverwinter will run a good area for help with wine is #wine on irc
[04:29] <Chilestuff> So how do I find winetricks?
[04:29] <gogeta> Neo1, server only has a few more app and no ui
[04:30] <gogeta> Chilestuff, sudo apt-get install winetricks
[04:30] <gogeta> Neo1, using desktop is fine
[04:31] <Neo1> it's equal, anyway we learn only terminal and it is in both versions. On desktop open terminal and learn it. If you need look on files you easy use filemanager. Or something modify with file
[04:31] <donofrio_> yep wine working great - just got done playing battlefield1942 for 10 min
[04:31] <gogeta> donofrio_, he got wine installed
[04:31] <gogeta> donofrio_, he just now needs to deal with its querks
[04:32] <gogeta> donofrio_, for a wookie with everything its gona be a task
[04:33] <gogeta> Neo1, even on server we using something like midnight commander not just bash
[04:33] <gogeta> Neo1, mc is a ncurses ui
[04:34] <Neo1> what is midnight commander, it is also terminal
[04:34] <gogeta> Neo1, yes
[04:34] <alcane> is there a way to watch as to why a wifi ping would suddently go into the thousands?
[04:35] <gogeta> Neo1, https://www.gnu.org/software/mc/images/mc-panels.png
[04:35] <Chilestuff> Well winetrix says dx9 is "overkill", but it's installing
[04:35] <gogeta> Chilestuff, its all the dlls
[04:36] <Chilestuff> Yeah, I saw the list and almost had an anurism  :)
[04:36] <Neo1> gogeta, hey how remember all command? I should write all of them to file?
[04:37] <gogeta> Neo1, even i dont know every command
[04:37] <Chilestuff> Coulda fooled me  :P
[04:37] <Neo1> gogeta: and you use file for remember?
[04:37] <Neo1> I use google document type for save some data
[04:37] <gogeta> Neo1, no just what i know
[04:37] <Neo1> useful tool
[04:38] <gogeta> Chilestuff, i been using linux sense 96 so i know most major apps
[04:38]  * Chilestuff would probably forget his own name if he didn't have someone yell at him once in a while
[04:38] <Neo1> I 5 minutes ago turned on appach and already forget that two commands
[04:39] <Neo1> gogeta: if don't save commands, next time you'll be again seeking and asking
[04:39]  * alcane needs a way to watch wifi traffic to understand why it goes into the thousands minutes after connecting to any wifi network
[04:40] <gogeta> alcane, wireshark
[04:40]  * Chilestuff remembers fondly working on the old ST-225s ... 40 Meg, and , "My GAWD! Who's ever gonna need THAT much storage?"
[04:41] <gogeta> Chilestuff, i still have my c64 :)
[04:41] <Chilestuff> I make clocks out of the HDDs now  :)
[04:42] <Chilestuff> Of course, when the tech changed faster than my shorts, I decided makin hot sauce was the carreer for me
[04:42] <gogeta> Chilestuff, it still active to of course using some modern mods like a sd card and eathernet
[04:42] <Chilestuff> Really?! I'm impressed!
[04:44] <gogeta> Chilestuff, and some guy built me a new power supply as the old ones cant be serviced and tend to go roge and blow them up these days.
[04:44] <happyfr0gg> I'm trying to use bleachbit to delete a .txt file but it states an error: no such file or directory.
[04:45] <Chilestuff> Had a buddy once teach a non tech supervisor a lesson with a capacitor from a telex machine ... the size of a couple paint cans stacked
[04:45] <gogeta> lol
[04:46] <Chilestuff> Removed it without discharging, and the super comes in trying to tell techs how to do their job ... "Hold this for a sec..."
[04:46] <gogeta> lol
[04:46] <Chilestuff> BAM!
[04:47] <Chilestuff> Never came back in the shop  :)\
[04:49] <happyfr0gg> I'm trying to use bleachbit to delete a .txt file but it states an error: no such file or directory.
[04:49] <gogeta> happyfr0gg, is it there
[04:49] <happyfr0gg> Yes.
[04:49] <Ben64> happyfr0gg: so rm it
[04:49] <happyfr0gg> rm ??
[04:50] <gogeta> rm remove file
[04:50] <Ben64> rm = remove
[04:50] <gogeta> or shred it
[04:50] <t0no6a> use bleachbit to delete a file??? Dude...I think you are wrong or very very bored
[04:50] <gogeta> shred is like bleach
[04:50] <gogeta> secure delete
[04:51] <t0no6a> just sayiong
[04:52] <Chilestuff> Well at least setup.exe isn't choking, but I'm not sure what to do now
[04:52] <happyfr0gg> rm: cannot remove ‘crackstation.txt’: No such file or directory
[04:52] <gogeta> Chilestuff, did it open ?
[04:52] <gogeta> happyfr0gg, ls
[04:52] <gogeta> happyfr0gg, soo if there there
[04:52] <gogeta> see
[04:52] <Chilestuff> Yes, but it's not running
[04:52] <gogeta> Chilestuff, ?
[04:53] <Chilestuff> Or maybe it is, I hear the drive makin noise
[04:53] <gogeta> Chilestuff, being the game is installed start with the game exe
[04:53] <Chilestuff> Only have setup.exe
[04:54] <Chilestuff> And not sure about where it goes
[04:54] <happyfr0gg> gogeta - please continue.
[04:54] <gogeta> Chilestuff, go to whatever spot the game is inslled
[04:54] <gogeta> happyfr0gg, did it show up with ls
[04:55] <happyfr0gg> gogeta - yes.
[04:55] <gogeta> gogeta, then rm crackstation.txt
[04:55] <gogeta> sudo rm
[04:57] <happyfr0gg> gogeta - rm: cannot remove ‘crackstation.txt’: No such file or directory
[04:57] <Chilestuff> How do I create/find new folders?
[04:57] <gogeta> Chilestuff, with your file manger
[04:58] <gogeta> Chilestuff, you know where you installed the game correct
[04:58] <oerheks> remove your whole wine folder, i think that is where that crack stuff hides
[04:58] <Chilestuff> It hasn't installed yet
[04:59] <gogeta> Chilestuff, oh then run the setup file
[04:59] <Chilestuff> specified location is not mounted
[04:59] <gogeta> Chilestuff, dont c: is your fake c drive in wine dont worry abought that
[04:59] <gogeta> ?
[05:00] <gogeta> Chilestuff, should be from your cd correct
[05:00] <Chilestuff> yes
[05:00] <Chilestuff> wait
[05:01] <Chilestuff> dblclick setup, I get window says "extract"
[05:01] <gogeta> Chilestuff, right click open with wine
[05:02] <Chilestuff> It don't show
[05:02] <gogeta> Chilestuff, check your pms
[05:02] <Chilestuff> I got it earlier by "find other apps" but no more, after dx9 install
[05:02] <Chilestuff> pms?
[05:02] <Chilestuff> permissions?
[05:02] <gogeta> Chilestuff, dm on  irc
[05:06] <happyfr0gg> How do I get rid of this .txt file? Seems like it is stuck in the directory.
[05:06] <happyfr0gg> rm: cannot remove ‘crackstation.txt’: No such file or directory
[05:06] <Ben64> happyfr0gg: it isn't if you're getting that error
[05:07] <happyfr0gg> then why do I see it? Both in terminal and file manager?
[05:07] <Ben64> http://paste.ubuntu.com show it
[05:08] <oerheks> haha wait, crackstation.txt is a kali file?
[05:08] <happyfr0gg> There is nothing in the file.
[05:09] <happyfr0gg> I enter random stuff in the file and try to save it, it displays an error.
[05:10] <Ben64> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <happyfr0gg> Says the same thing: no such file or directory.
[05:10] <Ben64> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <happyfr0gg> There is nothing for me to paste into pastebin.
[05:12] <Neo1> how to install mod_gzip.c ?
[05:13] <Neo1> on ubuntu 16.04
[05:13] <Neo1> it's appach module
[05:14] <Neo1> mod_deflate
[05:20] <t0no6a> Anyone here hates the idea that Ubuntu drops the only real chance in the gnu/inux distros world to have an OS for cell phones?
[05:20] <adv_> installed mono-complete and wine-stable, but cannot run my vb.net application
[05:20] <adv_> do i need wine-mono?
[05:21] <t0no6a> I use lineageos but is not the same, I want a real linux distro in my phone
[05:22] <drmessano> t0no6a: few people put their money where their mouth is, so it failed
[05:23] <oerheks> !info mono-complete
[05:24] <t0no6a> drmessano: yes,agree. ...however I still want a distro in my phone and drop of android
[05:24] <drmessano> t0no6a: I went to Cons where the Ubuntu guys were begging people to develop shit
[05:25] <drmessano> and to support the effort.. buy a device.. create a market for the OEMs
[05:25] <drmessano> But alas, fucking crickets
[05:25] <Ben64> watch the language here please
[05:25] <drmessano> Sorry
[05:29] <t0no6a> I only hope that the kde guys made it whit plasma mobile
[05:30] <drmessano> Not if they have the same terrible apathy from the community
[05:33] <t0no6a> I think this time the story was different,different projects,different community Or at least I hopes o
[05:42] <lucas-arg> need help, cant connect my ethernet
[05:43] <lucas-arg> this is the card Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> !details | lucas-arg
[05:43] <lucas-arg> ubutu sees the card but networkmanager wont connect it
[05:48] <lucas-arg> the module seems to be e10001
[05:48] <lucas-arg> e1000e
[05:48] <lucas-arg> dont know whats wrong
[05:48] <lucas-arg> it was working ok in fedora
[05:54] <Neo1> what I should do if my server response time 3.3 seconds?
[05:55] <ishigoya> why is it 3.3 seconds?
[05:57] <Neo1> don't know I test it on gogole page tester
[05:58] <Neo1> ishigoya: wait I retest and show you result, Seems ubuntu doesn't work fast
[05:59] <Neo1> ishigoya: see this http://prntscr.com/h9q5xz
[05:59] <Neo1> ishigoya: is it normally?
[06:02] <ishigoya> neo1: are the recommendations helpful? You could try a different site that gives better information
[06:02] <Neo1> How to reduce server response time, I've read it should be 200 ms
[06:02] <ishigoya> neo1: you need to identify the specific problem first
[06:02] <Neo1> ishigoya: It's recommendations https://developers.google.com/speed/docs/insights/Server
[06:03] <Neo1> my server above 200ms
[06:04] <ishigoya> try https://gtmetrix.com instead, that will give more specific information
[06:04] <ishigoya> then you can try googling the issues it raises
[06:06] <Neo1> ishigoya: see https://gtmetrix.com/reports/csgo.kselax.ru/WVL6uqLs
[06:07] <Neo1> ishigoya: is it wrong?
[06:10] <Neo1> ishigoya: do you know how to make this site work fast? 20 seconds it's long time
[06:11] <Neo1> ishigoya: it's site roulette for steam games, there users put items and play
[07:05] <cool_dude> hello
[07:10] <AquaPixie> I need help preferrably right now. My Ubuntu 17.10 still hangs on boot.
[07:14] <hateball> AquaPixie: hangs how? do you just get a black screen? or any error message?
[07:15] <AquaPixie> It goes to the startup, auburn screen with logo and dots, and does not progress any further.
[07:16] <hateball> AquaPixie: if you press ESC at that point it should show more detailed information
[07:17] <AquaPixie> I did that.
[07:17] <hateball> AquaPixie: otherwise what you can try is hold/hammer left shift at boot, to get into GRUB menu and edit your bootline
[07:17] <hateball> AquaPixie: and remove "quiet splash" from it
[07:17] <hateball> that should give you more detailed output from the boot process
[07:17] <AquaPixie> It stops variably between trying to start/having just started resolvconf, and some other services.
[07:18] <AquaPixie> It invariably hangs, no matter what I disable or enable.
[07:21] <krashekspress> 4.14 kernel is out, does anyone know if we get it on 17.10 and if yes, what is usual timeframe? Asking cause of drivers :)
[07:21] <ducasse> krashekspress: it won't be coming to 17.10, no
[07:22] <ducasse> a release does not (normally) receive new packages
[07:22] <krashekspress> ducasse:  so I can try manually when time permits :)
[07:22] <ducasse> you can try the mainline kernel, though
[07:22] <ducasse> !mainline
[07:23] <krashekspress> ducasse: u the man, thanks a bunch
[07:23] <ducasse> np
[07:27] <AquaPixie> hateball If it helps, then upgrading packages from recovery once delivered an apport update, the moment it started it the system hung.
[07:27] <AquaPixie> But it is not unresponsive; it does reply to ctrl alt hel.
[07:27] <AquaPixie> del
[07:29] <AquaPixie> Also, right now, it hangs on invoke-rc.d
[07:29] <AquaPixie> I can not ctrl c past it.
[07:31] <hateball> AquaPixie: sounds quite broken... any chance you can liveboot the system and run an fsck ?
[07:31] <alkisg> AquaPixie: if you go to recovery mode, does it work?
[07:32] <AquaPixie> It works in recovery, yes.
[07:32] <AquaPixie> Which is how I am doing it.
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> krashekspress: i think 4.14 is planned for ubuntu 18.04
[07:32] <AquaPixie> It is not a disk error; this happened after an upgrade to 17.10.
[07:33] <CoJaBo> I never did figure out how to fix my SDcard slot :/
[07:33] <alkisg> AquaPixie: go to recovery, select networking, then select root prompt, then type apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:34] <AquaPixie> I'll try that again.
[07:35] <AquaPixie> Except my /etc/resolv.conf fails to update then complains about no file, but I can temporarily fix that.
[07:35] <alkisg> OK; just to verify that your system is in a consistent state, wrt updates, apt  etc
[07:36] <AquaPixie> See, I can't use dpkg. I updated before.
[07:36] <AquaPixie> Now it hangs, as I said, on invoke-rc.d
[07:37] <AquaPixie> complains about being unable to determine runlevel.
[07:37] <alkisg> AquaPixie: it hangs on recovery?
[07:37] <alkisg> You said it doesn't hang on recovery
[07:38] <AquaPixie> It doesn't. Using dpkg --configure -a leads to the invoke-rc.d hang.
[07:39] <AquaPixie> Also a pair of insserv errors for the apport script.
[07:39] <alkisg> What is the exact message there? Can you get a screenshot from e.g. a mobile phone?
[07:39] <AquaPixie> Stop/start runlevels appear inverted.
[07:39] <AquaPixie> Sure. Hang on.
[07:39] <alkisg> If you can't copy/paste, use a live cd, so that you run dpkg from there and copy/paste
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: your slot, or sd card?
[07:42] <CoJaBo> lotuspsychje: The slot/reader. It thinks it's read-only; is there really no way to possibly override that?
[07:43] <Duckle> Hey, I'm having some issues getting a USB 3.0 gigabit ethernet dongle working.
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: a slot readonly doesnt make really sense, would rather believe the card pesmissions?
[07:43] <Duckle> when I plug it in, and watch dmesg, I get spammed with messages like "20 callbacks supressed" and Tx status  -71
[07:44] <CoJaBo> lotuspsychje: It's not reading the switch position would be my guess
[07:44] <AquaPixie> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/379536677758304256/379536912496459777/JPEG_20171113_074348.jpg
[07:44] <AquaPixie> alkisg
[07:46] <alkisg> AquaPixie: and it hangs there?
[07:47] <AquaPixie> Yes.
[07:47] <AquaPixie> Does nothing else.
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: have you tried to format sdcard with gparted yet?
[07:48] <alkisg> AquaPixie: boot with a live cd, so that you run dpkg from there
[07:48] <CoJaBo> lotuspsychje: It's readonly, so I can't. That's the problem.
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: how about bios settings got sd slot settings or so?
[07:49] <AquaPixie> Or try fixing this by hand. I could just toss out Apport for now.
[07:49] <CoJaBo> nothing at all in bios settings
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: what kind of computer is this?
[07:50] <alkisg> AquaPixie: i'm not sure if it hangs on apport or on virtualbox
[07:50] <CoJaBo> laptop
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: what brand
[07:51] <AquaPixie> What about the apport script error?
[07:51] <alkisg> That might be a warning
[07:52] <CoJaBo> lotuspsychje: Acer Predator; also has no working sound
[07:52] <hateball> CoJaBo: "lspci -nn" should list the pciid for the SD controller, might be helpful for troubleshooting
[07:52] <CoJaBo> The sound is a driver issue; I think the SD reader is just broken. It reads fine, but is perpetually stuck in read-only
[07:53] <CoJaBo> I have no idea which device is the SD :/
[07:54] <ducasse> CoJaBo: can you paste the dmesg output from when you plug in an sd card?
[07:55] <CoJaBo> All pretty normal except for this [309455.392936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on
[07:57] <hateball> CoJaBo: it should say "SD Host controller" tho
[07:59] <CoJaBo> [309455.392647] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 15523840 512-byte logical blocks: (7.95 GB/7.40 GiB)[309455.392936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on[309455.392940] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 2f 00 80 00
[08:00] <AquaPixie> Tried tossing out virtualbox.
[08:00] <AquaPixie> Let's see.
[08:00] <AquaPixie> Was not on a compatible repo there anyway.
[08:03] <Cosmosnaut> is it worth updating to 17? or just wait for gnome 3.0? xD
[08:04] <AquaPixie> hm
[08:04] <AquaPixie> vbox is still present for some reason
[08:05] <Cosmosnaut> *notaserver*
[08:10] <ducasse> Cosmosnaut: if you need to ask, probably best to stay on an lts release (as you seem to have no specific reason to upgrade).
[08:13] <AquaPixie> I have now purged Virtualbox and Apt has finished.
[08:14] <AquaPixie> Still hangs. Let's see.
[08:20] <Sbur3> My Brother MFC6490CW prints, but no longer scans.  Anyone wanna help me?
[08:35] <AquaPixie> alkisg Still hanging. Seems to be stuck trying to start systemd-resolved-update-resolvconf.service.
[08:37] <alkisg> AquaPixie: did you try loading the live cd? :)
[08:37] <AquaPixie> And why can I simply not fix it from recovery?
[08:38] <alkisg> Dunno, if you can, go for it
[08:39] <AquaPixie> That should void the need for a live CD, which I still do not see the purpose of.
[08:41] <AquaPixie> And if I needed an external system, then I have a boatload of those.
[08:41] <AquaPixie> What would you make me do with this livecd?
[08:42] <alkisg> First I would see if the system works. Lots of time hardware fails, and we don't want to realize it
[08:42] <alkisg> Then I would go and finish with apt, then try debsums to verify integrity,
[08:42] <alkisg> then use kvm to load the main OS in a VM... stuff like that
[08:42] <alkisg> Each step on its time
[08:45] <AquaPixie> ...Why?
[08:45] <AquaPixie> I told you, Apt already finished.
[08:46] <alkisg> Lots of times people say things, and then it turns out they missed a few important lines. A live cd would allow you to use pastebin more easily.
[08:47] <alkisg> Anyways, it's obvious our troubleshooting methods are incompatible; just wait for someone else
[08:50] <AquaPixie> Again. I do not need a live CD. I already have a horde of USB installs on hand.
[08:50] <alkisg> Live CD, live usb, another installation, same concept
[08:50] <AquaPixie> Those are more than enough.
[08:51] <alkisg> Of course, as long as you use them
[08:51] <AquaPixie> And as long as this MSI BIOS does not give me crap, yeah.
[08:52] <AquaPixie> Did I mention I hate MSI BIOSes?
[08:52] <AquaPixie> Ah, there, USB found.
[09:02] <AquaPixie> Welp, USB works. As expected.
[09:02] <AquaPixie> Now what am I looking to put on pastebin?
[09:03] <alkisg> sudo -i; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; for d in proc sys dev dev/pts; do mount --bind /$d /mnt/$d; done; chroot /mnt
[09:03] <alkisg> This gets you into the real system, replace sda1 with your root
[09:03] <AquaPixie> Why not just udisksctl?
[09:03] <alkisg> Inside it, start with apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade => and put all the result to pastebin
[09:04] <alkisg> Because it uses nosuid
[09:04] <geirha> the sudo -i must be on a line by itself, you can't copy paste the entire line as one line
[09:05] <AquaPixie> I could tell you the results. All packages up to date, no errors whatsoever on aptwsince Virtualbox was purged.
[09:05] <alkisg> Indeed, but he's knowledgable enough to know that :)
[09:05] <Hanumaan> my android(oneplus) is not getting recognized in 16.04 what should be done? want to copy with usb cable
[09:05] <alkisg> AquaPixie: you wouldn't verify that your hardware doesn't have issues though. Now, booting via usb, you did.
[09:05] <AquaPixie> geirha mind the ;
[09:06] <Ben64> doesn't work like that
[09:06] <AquaPixie> Hardware I knew was working.
[09:06] <Ben64> sudo -i will bring you to a root shell, then none of the commands will run until you exit that shell
[09:06] <alkisg> You did, but we don't know how consise you are
[09:08] <AquaPixie> I can say a lot of things about the conciseness of this BIOS. But that's for a different time.
[09:10] <MacroMan> Does anyone know what the 'quick launch' style bar is called in the bottom left of Gnome desktop? The one you can hide.
[09:10] <MacroMan> That's Gnome 3 running on 16.04 if it matters.
[09:15] <AquaPixie> So.
[09:15] <AquaPixie> What is the for for?
[09:15] <AquaPixie> Because I am not blindly executing this.
[09:18] <AquaPixie> alkisg
[09:21] <alkisg> AquaPixie: it's for mounting the necessary /proc, sys etc virtual file systems from your live system into your real system, in order for apt to be able to find them when needed
[09:22] <oerheks> AquaPixie, those are normal commands, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[09:22] <oerheks> called chroot
[09:22] <AquaPixie> I know what chroot is.
[09:22] <AquaPixie> I was curious about the use of for for this.
[09:25] <alkisg> Meh. Booting a pc with ubuntu 12.04, kernel 3.2 => works fine. Booting with 12.04, kernel 3.13 => crashes in various places with various messages. Booting with 16.04 => crashes even more often. It will take hours and hours to pinpoint this... :/
[09:25] <AquaPixie> ah, excellent, exec format error
[09:25] <alkisg> You can't chroot to 64bit from 32bit installations
[09:26] <AquaPixie> Both are 64 bit.
[09:26] <alkisg> `dpkg --print-architecture` on your live usb, says amd64?
[09:26] <AquaPixie> Somehow, it doesn't despite 64 bit instass media.
[09:27] <AquaPixie> install
[09:27] <AquaPixie> Alright, next stick.
[09:27] <AquaPixie> uname -a would be simpler.
[09:28] <alkisg> It's possible to install 64bit kernels in 32bit installations
[09:29] <AquaPixie> That has a chance of getting nasty on old hardware.
[09:31] <cdancette> Hi, I'm using ubuntu 17.10 (was using ubuntu gnome before that), and I'm often having freezes of the entire interface when my laptop is waking up, and I can't do anything but reboot. I'm using a zenbook UX360. Any idea where I could look to solve this ? I tried many things, but nothing worked yet
[09:33] <cdancette> and I've been having these problems for a long time (I had them before 17.10)
[09:34] <Ben64> don't make the laptop go to sleep?
[09:35] <alkisg> There are some troubleshooting steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[09:36] <hoxolotl> good morning
[09:38] <hoxolotl> I have a small issue, somehow keyboards on my laptop aren't recognised after booting ubuntu normally and getting to the decrypt drive screen. Booting in recovery mode work fine thaugh.
[09:39] <hoxolotl> an elitebook 8570w, with a quadro 2000.
[09:39] <alkisg> So if you use an external usb keyboard at that point, it works?
[09:40] <hoxolotl> keybord_S_ are only recognised when booting in recovery mode.
[09:42] <hoxolotl> when booting the machine normally you get the "decrypt drive" screen, at which point no keyboard_s_ work, ctrl+del, recovery mode, and go into recovery mode and suddenly the keyboards work in the terminal/prompt.
[09:42] <hoxolotl> and afterwards everything works fine too, otherwise I wouldn't be typing here ;)
[09:43] <alkisg> Did you say that ctrl+alt+del works there and gets you to the recovery mode?
[09:43] <hoxolotl> I tried different keyboards, usb, laptop and so on. although I still have to try a bluetooth one, but so far none worked.
[09:44] <hoxolotl> alkisg, weirdly enough yes, but nothing shows up on the line or when typing in the password blindly.
[09:45] <alkisg> OK, that would hint in that the keyboard is working, and something else is broken
[09:46] <alkisg> So, when you select the recovery mode, then you get the decryption screen later on, and then you can type?
[09:48] <hoxolotl> you first get the prompt "boot normally, safe mode, recovery" for every kernel, at which point I use arrows to select recovery, press enter, see some prompts and end with the "drive decryption password here please:" at which point it goes in the first menu, I select the top most option, it does some more prompts, a second menu takes over, top most option again, and tadaa, login screen for ubuntu.
[09:49] <hoxolotl> ... it goes into the first menu after I fill in the password, uv course.
[09:50] <alkisg> Hmm, so, the recovery menu has these differences from the main menu: "quiet splash" are removed, and "nomodeset" are added
[09:50] <alkisg> Can you try those in the main menu?
[09:50] <alkisg> I.e., when grub boots, select the normal menu, but press "e" to edit it
[09:50] <alkisg> Scroll down where linux xxx quiet splash vt.handoff=... are,
[09:50] <alkisg> then remove quiet splash, and add nomodeset there, and press f10 to boot with those edited options
[09:51] <alkisg> See if that way you can type
[09:52] <hoxolotl> will do, thanks
[09:53]  * hoxolotl took a screenshow with his mobile of this conversation, and will try so later, as soon as he's done with his current browsing ;)
[09:55] <hoxolotl> and a possible separate issue, but probably due to the other software and not ubuntu: repetier ( 3D printing software) only starts when I have a monitor attached to the laptop. When I try to start the program without a monitor attached it crashes.
[09:55] <hoxolotl> it looks to me like it tries to start on the second monitor, and not finding one, just stops starting.
[09:56] <hoxolotl> then again, I found a work around: just attach a second monitor to work with it.
[10:04] <AquaPixie> This is seriously not worth pastebinning.
[10:06] <AquaPixie> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/379536677758304256/379572717508100096/JPEG_20171113_100555.jpg
[10:07] <AquaPixie> Exact same output as last time.
[10:07] <AquaPixie> alksig
[10:07] <AquaPixie> alkisg oops
[10:08] <alkisg> AquaPixie: nice, so now we know you have a lot of custom applications not in the repos, that could possibly interfere with the boot process
[10:08] <alkisg> So you said that it hangs at random times with random messages at boot?
[10:09] <AquaPixie> It hangs during boot always, but it never gives many exact clues as to what it hangs on.
[10:09] <AquaPixie> The most consistent error is that the service I mentioned before seems to be the last to appear.
[10:09] <AquaPixie> I also know that none of these interfere with the boot process.
[10:10] <AquaPixie> The install made it to desktop on 17.10 a grand total of once.
[10:10] <AquaPixie> After a dist-upgrade, it started hanging.
[10:11] <AquaPixie> I can also explain each. Some are unused.
[10:11] <silver_hook> Hi. I’m having trouble with network-manager (specifically with vpnc). How can I force 17.10 to install and use network-manager 1.6.2, where my issue was not introduced yet?
[10:12] <AquaPixie> The proprietary ones are obvious. (Skype, Dropbox, Chrome, Steam).
[10:12] <AquaPixie> The local files at the top are an amdgpu-pro driver I have removed.
[10:12] <AquaPixie> Kaitai is a reverse engineering tool that creates file format parsers.
[10:13] <AquaPixie> Radeon Profile is fan control for the GPU.
[10:13] <AquaPixie> Rhythmbox stuff is for my media players; two iPods.
[10:13] <ducasse> and proposed is not intended for regular users.
[10:14] <AquaPixie> And I am no regular user.
[10:14] <ducasse> no, this is messier than most.
[10:16] <Thyriaen> Is there a reason why 3.8 is the latest supported eclipse version in Ubuntu / Debian ? What happend in the change from 3.x to 4.z ?
[10:16] <AquaPixie> And? ducasse
[10:18] <AquaPixie> Any ideas? alkisg
[10:18] <throstur> Hi, I have a/close
[10:19] <throstur> rofrl
[10:29] <alkisg> AquaPixie: you have "proposed" enabled; this can cause a lot of issues. Start by removing everything that comes from that
[10:30] <AquaPixie> I have installed nothing from it.
[10:30] <alkisg> You don't need to "install" something; apt dist-upgrade pulls from that repository
[10:30] <AquaPixie> And have never had issues with it.
[10:30] <AquaPixie> I know.
[10:30] <alkisg> So now you have proposed xorg, kernel, systemd or whatever comes from it
[10:31] <alkisg> If 5% of the packages in proposed cause issues, it's possible that you may have not seen them in the past
[10:31] <alkisg> This doesn't ensure that it's not your current issue
[10:31] <AquaPixie> I'd rather be looking at logs right now.
[10:31] <alkisg> OK, you can freely do so
[10:31] <AquaPixie> By the way, cut proposed, no change.
[10:32] <alkisg> You need to manually downgrade packages that were upgraded from proposed
[10:32] <alkisg> Just removing it doesn't fix anything
[10:32] <AquaPixie> No automatic way?
[10:32] <alkisg> No. I don't know if ppa-purge helps, I don't think so.
[10:33] <AquaPixie> I still don't see how this could cause issues, but okay.
[10:33] <alkisg> You don't realize that packages in proposed have known issues that can prevent booting?
[10:34] <AquaPixie> Never ran into that kind of thing before.
[10:35] <ducasse> you can use ppa-purge afaik, just look at the man page first
[10:35] <AquaPixie> ...Perhaps I should go back to 17.04.
[10:37] <auronandace> AquaPixie: if you mean downgrade then no you can't, if you mean reinstall then yes but it would be better to fresh install 17.10
[10:38] <alkisg> If it worked until you enabled proposed and did apt dist-upgrade, that's a good hint to not enable proposed, in any version, 17.10 or 17.04 or whatever
[10:38] <AquaPixie> I'd rather not with all the shit I have on this drive, reversing and otherwise.
[10:38] <AquaPixie> ...I have had proposed enabled since 2011 without a single issue.
[10:39] <AquaPixie> I booted into 17.10 after upgrade, did dist-upgrade, rebooted, hang.
[10:39] <alkisg> OK, so now you know not to enable it :)
[10:40] <alkisg> It's only used for selective testing of new packages
[10:40] <alkisg> Reporting to specific bug reports to do the verification-done step
[10:40] <AquaPixie> Know not to enable a repo I've never had a problem with before, yeah.
[10:40] <alkisg> !proposed
[10:41] <alkisg> Eh, I'm sure what I'm talking about is documented somewhere :)
[10:41] <AquaPixie> It is.
[10:41] <AquaPixie> I want these newer packages.
[10:41] <ducasse> why?
[10:41] <auronandace> AquaPixie: so because you've never had a problem before that means you'll never ever have a problem in the future? not a great bit of logic there
[10:42] <AquaPixie> Testing.
[10:42] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed => " It is recommended to enable selective upgrading from -proposed as described in the next section!  "
[10:42] <AquaPixie> This is a fixable problem I am sure.
[10:42] <brainwash> AquaPixie: link to the bug report?
[10:42] <alkisg> Of course, and the fix would be to revert some package that breaks your system, and go to the existing bug report of that proposed update, and mention it there. But other will do it as well, as it's their bug report. :)
[10:44] <AquaPixie> And I am fairly certain I would have to find a log to submit a report.
[10:44] <AquaPixie> But where is this logv
[10:44] <AquaPixie> ?
[10:44] <AquaPixie> And would it not tell me exactly what went wrongv
[10:44] <AquaPixie> ?*
[10:44] <alkisg> Not all bugs are logged
[10:45] <alkisg> And sometimes it's easier to pinpoint the package (when you e.g. know it's a proposed one), than to pinpoint the bug/log/crash. Then `apt changelog package` will tell you about the recent change that broke it.
[10:45] <AquaPixie> Still, resolvconf appears to hang the system. Again, appears.
[10:46] <AquaPixie> I am not sure if it is to blame, though.
[10:46] <AquaPixie> I have no certain idea what is.
[10:47] <AquaPixie> And I would rather find that info and continue from there.
[10:47] <AquaPixie> Now, see.
[10:47] <AquaPixie> Trying to run apt changelog doesn't do a thing.
[10:47] <alkisg> You need the package name
[10:48] <alkisg> The best troubleshooting info I can give you is, "(1) revert everything from proposed, see if it works, (2) selectively install things from proposed until it breaks again, (3) now you know the package name and you can type apt changelog"
[10:48] <AquaPixie> It doesn't connect to the changelog server. Stopped doing that a long time back and I didn't care enough to fix it.
[10:48] <alkisg> Or, just (1) :)
[10:48] <alkisg> And that's about all I can tell you at this point :)
[10:48] <AquaPixie> Which means I need to dump this 200gb drive and install. Cool.
[10:48] <alkisg> (or, reinstall 17.10 or whatever else you like, without installing everything from proposed)
[10:49] <alkisg> You can reinstall without formatting
[10:49] <alkisg> Keeping all of /home etc
[10:49] <AquaPixie> Certainly. But I might or might not be short on disk space.
[10:49] <AquaPixie> 160 gigs is not a lot of leg room these days.
[10:49] <AquaPixie> 32 is basically a coffin.
[10:50] <alkisg> A newer /usr takes less space than deleting the old /usr
[10:50] <alkisg> Anyways, that's all from me :)
[10:50] <AquaPixie> I could also just wait it out.
[10:51] <AquaPixie> But I got a feeling that proposed is not to blame.
[10:51] <AquaPixie> Will VM a 17.10 tomorrow.
[10:51] <AquaPixie> We'll see.
[10:52] <AquaPixie> (Semi related: I got proposed enabled on a laptop with 17.10, and it has no issues.)
[10:52] <AquaPixie> That one was upgraded from 17.04 also.
[10:53] <AquaPixie> Speaking of upgrades, I went at it by changing codenames in the sources list. Why? Because the update manager refused to find the new version.
[10:53] <AquaPixie> Same procedure worked without flaw from Xenial to Yakkety and then to Zesty.
[10:54] <AquaPixie> And I am certain others before it.
[10:54] <AquaPixie> Wonder if Bionic repos exist?
[10:55] <AquaPixie> Yup.
[10:55] <Gaming4LifeDE> hello. I installed onlyoffice-documentserver. that installed but it failed setting up nginx. now i want to remove everything again and i can't remove onlyoffice-documentserver because the postinstall script fails. can anyone help?
[10:59] <sulaiman> Hello, i've installed extensions for php using apt, but it updated the PHP CLI php.ini file, and is not found for scripts i'm running on apache2
[10:59] <sulaiman> how do I make it install the libraries for apache
[11:01] <ducasse> AquaPixie: it probably failed to find artful because it was set to only look for lts releases
[11:02] <AquaPixie> What?
[11:02] <AquaPixie> Oh.
[11:03] <AquaPixie> I tried -d and config file modification and everything.
[11:03] <AquaPixie> Did not want to find it.
[11:04] <ducasse> no, that won't help. you can set it in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades or just use the gooey.
[11:04] <AquaPixie> ...I tried both of those.
[11:04] <AquaPixie> Again.
[11:04] <AquaPixie> Did not work.
[11:06] <AquaPixie> Got a hunch that one is related to the broken changelog link.
[11:06] <Duckle> Hey there, I'm trying to get a USB 3.0 to gigabit ethernet dongle working on my ubuntu 17.04 laptop
[11:06] <Duckle> the dongle uses the RTL8153 realtek chip
[11:06] <Duckle> it also serves as a USB hub, with 3 ports on it, I'm assuming the 4th port is what's used for the ethernet dongle
[11:07] <Duckle> From all the googling I've done, I've found some things that might suggest it's an autosuspend issue, but I've failed to confirm that, as I haven't been able to get the dongle to work at all
[11:07] <Duckle> If I hook up the dongle to my laptop, all is fine, but if I plug in an ethernet cable, the laptop tries to use the wired connection, but it doesn't work. I can't even ping my router on the LAN
[11:07] <Duckle> That said, something has to be working, because it's being assigned an IP and DNS via DHCP
[11:07] <AquaPixie> duckle: Tried on other machines, if you have any?
[11:08] <Duckle> The dongle was used at a LAN for a friends laptop, which runs windows, and it worked :/
[11:08] <AquaPixie> Other Linux, I mean.
[11:08] <Duckle> hmm, don't have any, other than raspberry pies I suppose
[11:08] <AquaPixie> How up to date?
[11:09] <Duckle> on the pi or this laptop?
[11:09] <AquaPixie> Pi.
[11:09] <Duckle> entirely up to date, flashed it, and updated it yesterday
[11:09] <Duckle> pi3
[11:09] <AquaPixie> And the system?
[11:10] <AquaPixie> If it is new (Debian Stretch) and it works on it, then it might be some quirk in the network manager on your Ubuntu install.
[11:11] <AquaPixie> I have more than once had to deal with a wifi adapter that tells the computer it is ethernet.
[11:11] <AquaPixie> ...Looking at you, Intel.
[11:12] <AquaPixie> If it doesn't work there, then it might be a driver issue.
[11:12] <AquaPixie> How new is this dongle?
[11:12] <Duckle> bought it friday
[11:13] <Duckle> also, aparrently I've manged to loose my rpi3 somehow. I'll have to check my jackets.
[11:14] <AquaPixie> Damn.
[11:14] <AquaPixie> The chip is from 2013 at least.
[11:18] <Duckle> now it's not even showing up as anything but a hub -_-
[11:19] <Duckle> I might just have to be a jackass and return this
[11:19] <AquaPixie> On your PC?
[11:19] <AquaPixie> Seems like a definite driver issue of some sort.
[11:19] <AquaPixie> Is there nonfree firmware available?
[11:20] <AquaPixie> If so, that might help
[11:31] <Duckle> AquaPixie: I found this
[11:31] <Duckle> http://www.realtek.com.tw/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=56&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[11:33] <Duckle> AquaPixie: Aparrently I'm running 4.10
[11:33] <Duckle> so I can't use that driver, right?
[11:33] <andi> Hi, I'm searching for tomcat6 in 16.04. https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/tomcat6 Doesn't this page say this package is in universe? I was not able to find it in the digitalocean mirror.
[11:33] <Ben64> Duckle: does it show up in lsusb
[11:33] <andi> Or do I get that page wrong?
[11:34] <Duckle> Ben64: Bus 001 Device 053: ID 0bda:5401 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL 8153 USB 3.0 hub with gigabit ethernet
[11:34] <Ben64> andi: no tomcat6 in xenial
[11:34] <Duckle> Ben64: A different one used to show up too, the actual NIC has a different PID
[11:34] <andi> It's there: http://mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/tomcat6/
[11:34] <ducasse> !info tomcat6 xenial
[11:35] <andi> That's bad.
[11:35] <Ben64> that's for 14.04
[11:37] <Ben64> Duckle: well if the actual network card doesn't show up, then no driver you get will fix that
[11:37] <andi> There is no ppa for poor admins that need to setup brand new servers with very old software?
[11:38] <Ben64> andi: that doesn't make sense
[11:39] <Duckle> Ben64: yea, I'm aware of that. It not showing up is new
[11:40] <Duckle> Seems to be consistent though, Not showing up after a reboot either
[11:40] <Duckle> brb booting into windows to confirm
[11:48] <GhostwalkGames> Might try an Ubuntu 18.04 daily
[11:49] <ducasse> !bionic
[11:49] <GhostwalkGames> Ok thanks
[11:49] <kostkon> GhostwalkGames, brace yourself for a lot of breakage, it's early in the game
[11:50] <GhostwalkGames> Hehe yeh I'll stay in VM
[11:51] <kostkon> GhostwalkGames, it's preferable to test it on bare metal but that will do
[11:57] <GhostwalkGames> Yeah bare metal is a more accurate test
[12:02] <Duckle> Ben64: Okay, so this is what comes up in lsusb -v https://pastebin.com/raw/23BChKZY
[12:03] <Duckle> it also looks like it has a shoddy USB connection
[12:30] <lorddoskias> i'm trying to recompile my wifi driver
[12:30] <lorddoskias> and i di dmanage to compile it but it has a different vermagic than the running kernel hence can't load
[12:30] <lorddoskias> and i haven't been able to find correct guide how to recompile a single module that is compatible with the currently installed ubuntu kernel. I'm suing the sources for my kernel
[12:32] <Duckle> Well I returned the dongle and got my money back. It didn't work in windows either
[12:32] <Duckle> odd that it worked on my friends laptop though
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:35] <kostkon> Duckle, it could be anything, software or hardware related, for example maybe it needed that extra bit of current that your system's usb ports wouldn't put out for some reason and your friends' did?
[12:36] <Duckle> kostkon: According to lsusb -v it only requested 40 mA :/
[12:36] <Duckle> that said, my laptop easily provides 1A, it has a port touted as a phone charger port.
[12:37] <Duckle> always on, high current, etc
[12:41] <kostkon> Duckle, ok. oh, by the way, did you enable (or disable) usb legacy when testing it?
[12:42] <Duckle> No :/
[12:42] <kostkon> Duckle, :(
[12:42] <Duckle> I'm considering just getting that "pluggable" one
[12:42] <Duckle> uses a different chipset too
[12:42] <Duckle> some ASIX chip rather than this Realtek RTL8153
[12:42] <kostkon> Duckle, make sure it's supported in Linux
[12:42] <kostkon> realtek hmm
[12:43] <Duckle> http://plugable.com/products/usb3-e1000/
[12:43] <Duckle> They mention linux specifically
[12:43] <Duckle> and I'm on kernel 4.10 so I should be fine
[12:46] <kostkon> Duckle, yeah based on what it says it should work out of the box
[13:01] <TaZeR> dammit i have to install windows in order to run a patch by hp to fix the intel amt security vulnerbility
[13:04] <TaZeR> hmm i think i have a windows xp bootable cd somewhere, that might work
[13:06] <klemax> The wiki says that fglrx wast supported anymore on 16 and above. I have a laptop which has ati radeon hd 3xxx serius gpu. The laptop overheats and shutdown itself. I need fglrx driver i think.
[13:06] <klemax> Can i use fglrx-legacy package on 17.10?
[13:07] <brainwash> klemax: nope
[13:07] <klemax> brainwash: so what do u suggest me?
[13:08] <brainwash> do you have actual temperature values?
[13:08] <Ben64> the open source radeon driver should support it
[13:08] <klemax> Yes i do they are too high.
[13:08] <TaZeR> you may have to reapply the thermal compound to your cpu/gpu in order to fix that, it happens on older laptops all the time where the compound dries up and stops working well
[13:08] <klemax> Ben64: yes it supports but overheats.
[13:09] <brainwash> klemax: it could be that the radeon drives is not loaded, and therefore the gpu runs with max clocks
[13:09] <brainwash> driver
[13:09] <klemax> TaZeR: There is no problem on windows things
[13:09] <klemax> brainwash: ah i did not think that
[13:09] <klemax> Let me check it
[13:09] <TaZeR> oh in that case its not that then
[13:10] <klemax> Radeon driver is not loaded default?
[13:10] <brainwash> it is
[13:10] <brainwash> but kernel boot parameters like "nomodeset" may disable it
[13:10] <brainwash> in case you've set any
[13:11] <klemax> Thats correct, thanks for ur nice pointer.
[13:11] <ioria> klemax,    try radeon.dpm=1  in /etc/default/grub   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#Power_Management
[13:11] <brainwash> dpm is enabled by default
[13:11] <brainwash> but specifying it in grub enables more debug output
[13:11] <brainwash> which may be helpful
[13:13] <brainwash> I would check journalctl for radeon related messages
[13:13] <brainwash> there are some rare cases though. like, power management not working properly after returning from suspend
[13:14] <klemax> Do i need to configure x.org?
[13:14] <brainwash> no
[13:15] <ioria> klemax, not all the card enable by default pm
[13:15] <brainwash> with my mobile hd4xxx everything works out of the box
[13:15] <klemax> brainwash: thats my problem exactly! PM is not working properly after suspend.
[13:16] <klemax> So dpm must be enabled firstly.
[13:17] <Daneel> hi
[13:17] <brainwash> klemax: I would suggest asking in #radeon
[13:17] <Daneel> how is it possible a add a printer under 16.04 in a programmatic way
[13:17] <Daneel> ?
[13:17] <Daneel> a network printer
[13:17] <Daneel> with my own ppd file
[13:18] <noah1> I'm noticing some jerky movementes with my mouses and GNOME 3 is a bit slow. I've disabled the animations in Gnome Tweak Tool but the problem still persists. Any ideas on how to fix?
[13:18] <brainwash> noah1: ubuntu 17.10?
[13:19] <noah1> brainwash: Yup
[13:19] <klemax> brainwash: the link that iora gave, was saying that " if you notice overheating problems and/or you have an old Radeon HD graphic card, you can enable DPM by adding a boot parameter. This should greatly help power consumption, especially when idle."
[13:19] <brainwash> did you test with both session types? wayland vs xorg
[13:20] <brainwash> klemax: worth a try
[13:20] <noah1> brainwash: No
[13:20] <brainwash> on the login screen you can change the session type
[13:21] <brainwash> odd input behavior is usually blamed on wayland
[13:21] <klemax> brainwash ioria: thanks for ur help. Appreciated.
[13:21] <noah1> brainwash: Ah, ok. Thanks
[13:27] <noah1> brainwash: It's working better now. No more mouse jitters and jerks.
[13:27] <noah1> Thanks for the help
[13:27] <brainwash> you're welcome
[13:27] <klemax> Do amdgpu-pro drivers work just fine on APUs?
[13:28] <brainwash> I haven't tested it yet
[13:29] <brainwash> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[13:30] <Ntemis> my terminal is flickering like mad how i fix this?
[13:31] <brainwash> which terminal is that? when does it flicker exactly?
[13:34] <Ntemis> brainwash: mate terminal, all the time
[13:35] <klemax> Oh lm-sensors showing only cpu temperature.
[13:36] <klemax> I guess sensors-detect must be reconfigured.
[13:37] <GhostwalkGames> Switching from Wayland to Xorg fixes flickering in a lot of cases yeh. I'm a big Wayland fan but smooth behaviour from Wayland can't always be expected yet, hardware depending.
[13:38] <brainwash> Ntemis: there doesn't seem to exist any bug report for such an issue
[13:38] <noah1> GhostwalkGames: Yeah, I was experiencing mouse jerks and jitters. GNOME 3 was being a bit slow. By switching to Xorg, all of that disappeared or mostly.
[13:38] <Ntemis> brainwash: ok
[13:39] <brainwash> Ntemis: did you ask in #mate yet?
[13:39] <Ntemis> no but i will do asap
[13:39] <brainwash> and/or #ubuntu-mate
[13:39] <Ntemis> even though i use the 18.1 release
[13:39] <noah1> Ntemis: 18.1? LM?
[13:40] <Ntemis> mate desktop with gtk3.xx
[13:40] <noah1> LM with Mate?
[13:40] <Ntemis> linux mint you mean?
[13:40] <noah1> LM = Linux Mint
[13:40] <noah1> Yes
[13:41] <Ntemis> no mate 16.04/xenial
[13:41] <noah1> Oh. Then what did you mean by "18.1"?
[13:41] <brainwash> you mean MATE 1.18?
[13:41] <noah1> That might be it
[13:41] <brainwash> the latest stable release
[13:41] <Ntemis> because on official release mate desktop is older yes
[13:42] <brainwash> aha
[13:42] <brainwash> your flickering issue was not present before upgrading to 1.18, right?
[13:42] <Ntemis> i cant be sure but you must be right
[13:43] <brainwash> well, you gotta ask in #mate / #ubuntu-mate
[13:43] <Ntemis> ok ty guys
[13:43] <brainwash> good luck
[13:43] <GhostwalkGames> They're quite inactive channels but yeh they are specialist to mate
[13:43] <Ntemis> :)
[13:44] <Ntemis> i"ll live with it i guess
[13:44] <Ntemis> but compiling giving me a headache
[13:48] <noah1> Is there a show desktop icon/option to turn on? I had it on LM and I don't see it anywhere in Ubuntu.
[13:50] <brainwash> you can assign a keyboard shortcut https://itsfoss.com/show-desktop-gnome-3/
[13:50] <noah1> Better than nothing.
[13:51] <brainwash> maybe it's already present by default
[13:51] <brainwash> Ctrl+Super+D
[13:51] <noah1> After all, GNOME 3 is a keyboard oriented DE
[13:58] <Daneel> answer to my question : http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2015/01/lpadmin-examples/
[14:05] <GhostwalkGames> I prefer KDE to Gnome 3 cos I prefer mouse use really
[14:06] <GhostwalkGames> Customising KDE is nice cos I already like QT
[14:08] <snoo> If I use the Startup Disk Creator tool, I get a flash drive which mounts as a read-only filesystem. Is there some way I can mount this to add additional files? I have plenty of space left and want to continue using it as a flash drive
[14:08] <oerheks> !persistence
[14:09] <brainwash> snoo: maybe you can resize it with gparted, and add a new partition
[14:09] <oerheks> the persitence option is removed from usb-creator, AFAIK, you need to do this manually
[14:09] <snoo> no not persistance
[14:10] <GhostwalkGames> Probably by partitioning the USB stick?
[14:10] <snoo> I dont need the files to be available on the booted environment
[14:10] <oerheks> no, the live iso cannot be increased like that
[14:10] <snoo> I just need them to be available on PCs I plug the flash drive into
[14:10] <oerheks> persistence will be a caspar-rw partition, there is no other solution
[14:12] <konrados> Hi. My 'printscreen' button is broken :P How is the app named, so I can start it with start menu/terminal?
[14:12] <konrados> I type in 'screen', and 'shot' and 'print' and get nothing o_O
[14:13] <snoo> No I know it's possible in principle. If I use unetbootin I can add additional files to the flash drive
[14:13] <snoo> e.g. these are the files on my flash drive right now: boot  casper  dists  EFI  install  isolinux  md5sum.txt  pics  pool  preseed  README.diskdefines  ubuntu
[14:13] <compdoc> I use mate, which comes with mate-screenshot
[14:13] <brainwash> konrados: which ubuntu release is that? which desktop environment?
[14:13] <konrados> brainwash, kde
[14:13] <snoo> If I wanted to add hello_world.txt I know it wouldn't be magically available on the live environment
[14:14] <konrados> compdoc, thanks but the kde app is pretty ok, I just can't find it :P
[14:14] <oerheks> snoo,  yes, that is the persitence method.
[14:14] <compdoc> konrados, of course, but might be named simular
[14:14] <snoo> But I know it's possible in theory to have it available just as the files mentioned above are available, on my real PC
[14:14] <brainwash> konrados: tried ksnapshot?
[14:15] <oerheks> snoo, already answered with the only solution, have fun!
[14:15] <brainwash> konrados: or spectacle
[14:15] <oerheks> unetbootin is depreciated for some time now
[14:15] <konrados>  brainwash yes! It's spectacle, thank you!
[14:15] <snoo> Well the overall solution for me is: re-create the flash drive using unetbootin on Windows, persistance or not, I can continue to use the flash drive as a flash drive then
[14:15] <brainwash> konrados: :)
[14:16] <compdoc> unetbootin is horrible
[14:17] <TaZeR> horribily convinient =)
[14:17] <snoo> OK new question: Let's say I wanted to deliberately break my bootable USB medium by renaming that "pool" directory to "I_break_things"
[14:17] <snoo> Or in general: What is it which tells Ubuntu that this flash drive should be mounted as read-only?
[14:20] <oerheks> some bits in the partition table say RO, don't mess with that
[14:21] <oerheks> the only other way to write files, is to install the iso to a 2nd usb, a real install
[14:26] <snoo> OK so I have found that the live USB creator tool creates the FS in format iso9660, which physically cannot be mounted as anything other than read only. But unetbootin and other tools on Windows maintain the FAT32 filesystem, which can be written to. So my question is, what is a way to create a bootavble USB from Ubuntu that uses a fs like FAT32 that I can write to?
[14:27] <oerheks> "  But unetbootin and other tools on Windows maintain the FAT32 filesystem, which can be written to."  = not true, the iso is RO
[14:27] <oerheks> use the url from ubottu, or do a real install
[14:29] <snoo> well however they do it
[14:37] <Shibe> guys i need an updated snapd is there any ppa for 17.10?
[14:38] <oerheks> why do you need that?
[14:38] <noah1> I'm trying to edit a video in Kdenlive. The problem has been persisting from the moment I started using Kdenlive in Ubuntu. There is a screen shot that will show the problem: https://ibb.co/f1XVqw
[14:38] <Shibe> oerheks: the snap im trying to install requires it
[14:39] <oerheks> can you paste the output that says so to paste,ubuntu.com please?
[14:40] <Shibe> oerheks:  Mount snap "solus-runtime-gaming" (unset) (snap "solus-runtime-gaming" assumes unsupported features: snapd2.29.2 (try to update snapd and refresh the core snap))
[14:42] <noah1> I'm trying to edit a video in Kdenlive. The problem has been persisting from the moment I started using Kdenlive in Ubuntu. There is a screen shot that will show the problem: https://ibb.co/f1XVqw
[14:44] <oerheks> all versions are on the same, latest 2.28.5 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd , you will need to build from source, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd but 2.29 is in rc2, so that error is funny
[14:46] <oerheks> or contact them, it is not an official published snap build https://solus-project.com/2017/11/12/this-week-in-solus-install-48/
[14:51] <Mr_Cyclops> !info snap
[14:51] <oerheks> .. snapd
[14:51] <oerheks> !info snapd
[14:51] <Mr_Cyclops> Hi, what is snap? The snap help didnt explain much to me :(
[14:52] <oerheks> new package managment, snap and flatpack. ubuntu supports snap natively
[14:52] <Mr_Cyclops> Is that going to replace apt?
[14:53] <oerheks> That will be the future, yes.
[14:54] <nbusrone> I save a web page on chrome but when I launch the .html it cannot load any images.Tried all different browser opera,chrome,firefox. I check the image is on webp format.I can't view it on default ubuntu image but works on gThumb image application.
[14:54] <nbusrone> Is it true ubuntu cannot support iamge with webp format images compression ?
[14:56] <longsleep> Hey all, someone already found a way how to run Kernel 4.14 from the unstable ppa on 16.04 without running into apparmor compat issues?
[14:56] <oerheks> if that wouldbe true, you would not see the images in the 1st place, isn' t there a plugin that saves all items?
[15:05] <brainwash> longsleep: someone in #ubuntu-kernel may know what to do
[15:10] <nbusrone> oerheks : sorry I mean default ubuntu image.What is the default image application ubuntu use ?
[15:12] <longsleep> brainwash: thanks - will ask there
[15:14] <might_get_loud> Hi guys, can someone help me with systemd --user session not being started per user at boot. Thou, it starts when i login via shell as that user. I also set 'loginctl enable-linger ${USER}' but this does not fix it.
[15:19] <aadi_> hello @all
[15:21] <aadi_> I am not able to use my nvidia gpu in ubuntu, whenever i am trying to change the display drivers to nvidia-384, all works good, until my machine does not goes to sleep. Now the problem is after waking up from sleep, I am greeted with a black screen
[15:22] <aadi_> I have googled this too but couldn't solved the issue, is there a solution for this, I am on ubuntu 17.10, with nvidia 930mx, Asus R558UR-DM069D
[15:23] <aadi_> Any kind of help is appreciated, thanks :)
[15:24] <hateball> aadi_: suppose you could try (or read release notes) for 387 driver, if it has any fixes for that issue
[15:26] <strive> might_get_loud: What steps have you taken?
[15:26] <brainwash> might_get_loud: could it be related to an encrypted home partition?
[15:26] <aadi_> hateball, yes, that's the last option, I want to use android studio, and virtual box on gpu, is this possible?
[15:27] <hateball> aadi_: do you mean you want to do GPU passthrough to a virtual machine? I doubt your laptop hardware supports that
[15:30] <might_get_loud> @strive, @brainwash Home partition is not encrypted. I have created ubuntu user which has sudo, and created another user `eguser` but services for `eguser` are not started at boot. I add `sudo loginctl enable-linger eguser` so it should start on boot
[15:30] <brainwash> any hints in the journal?
[15:31] <brainwash> on why it fails
[15:31] <strive> might_get_loud: Did you create a file in /usr/lib/systemd/system/
[15:31] <might_get_loud> I set up simple service which runs some node server, just for testing. Also, when i login as ubuntu and i switch to eguser it wont spawn systemd user session, so i need to login as user 'eguser'
[15:33] <strive> might_get_loud: Woops, /usr/lib/systemd/user
[15:34] <might_get_loud> @strive, i dont have /usr/lib/systemd/system folder, i have `boot  catalog  network  user  user-generators`
[15:34] <aadi_> I want to run unity, but for that, I have installed windows in virtual box(bc, unity is not available for ubuntu right?), but since I am unable to use GPU, is it possible that I can run virtual box on GPU, so that, I can have a smooth work experience?
[15:34] <might_get_loud> @stri
[15:35] <nbusrone> Does save webpage.html images offline are using gnome image viewer ?
[15:35] <might_get_loud> @strive, ok, what should i need to have exactly in /usr/bin/systemd/user? my web.service?
[15:36] <might_get_loud> i created my config systemd service file in /home/eguser/.config/systemd/user/web.service
[15:37] <brainwash> check the logs
[15:37] <brainwash> system and user journal
[15:37] <strive> might_get_loud: That's fine too. Also, systemctl --user enable service
[15:38] <might_get_loud> @strive, did that. when i login as that user it starts the service as it should.
[15:38] <might_get_loud> @brainwash, looking into that
[15:38] <strive> might_get_loud: Be aware that the systemd --user instance is a per-user process, and not per-session.
[15:39] <might_get_loud> What that actually means? I want to persist, so it should be, per user, right? Not only while user is logged in.
[15:40] <brainwash> strive seems to miss some details, or isn't paying attention
[15:40] <strive> Ah. Yes. Sidetracked, haha.
[15:43] <nbusrone> Does anyone know how to make ubuntu gnome image viewer support webp ?
[15:46] <brainwash> nbusrone: looks like you have to use another image viewer, or you have convert the webp images to another format
[15:47] <strive> might_get_loud: loginctl user-status eguser
[15:48] <might_get_loud> @brainwash, so i found this in /var/log/syslog https://pastebin.com/6m7vVbTU and user 1001 is `eguser`
[15:49] <brainwash> you didn't check with "journalctl" and "journalctl --user"?
[15:49] <might_get_loud> @strive, status is lingering reach target are paths, socket, timers, basic system and default
[15:49] <nbusrone> brainwash : save a webpage.html ,for offline backup view , when I open the .html saved , all image cannot be view.I would like to know does the save webpage open using a browser using default gnome image viewer ?
[15:50] <might_get_loud> no journalctl entries for some reason. and eguser is not privileged so it wont run
[15:51] <nbusrone> brainwash : Should I tried making it ? https://github.com/aruiz/webp-pixbuf-loader ? Even gimp doesn't support webp
[15:51] <strive> might_get_loud: What does your /home/eguser/.config/systemd/user/web.service look like?
[15:52] <brainwash> nbusrone: first I would test with gthumb or another (more advanced) image viewer
[15:52] <might_get_loud> @strive, https://pastebin.com/pHGKB1s8
[15:56] <strive> might_get_loud: Try changing to default.target
[15:57] <strive> might_get_loud: Disable and re-enable the service.
[15:57] <strive> might_get_loud: Test to see if it boots.
[15:57] <might_get_loud> @strive, sure. brb.
[15:58] <Sbur3> brscan-skey problem.  Anyone wanna offer support?
[15:59] <Sbur3> Brother Printer and Scanner.  Worked before.  For some reason, refuses to scan
[16:00] <Sbur3> Could it be that the driver and the skey are not the same version? Both are i386, but the version number isn't the same
[16:03] <might_get_loud> @strive, it runs but i cant control it with systemctl --user status service_name it said `systemctl --user status w $$$$$ Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory` i pressed tab where $$$$ is
[16:04] <might_get_loud> @strive, also `systemctl --user list-jobs
[16:04] <might_get_loud> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
[16:04] <might_get_loud> ` but `ps -ax | grep node` is showing process as active and running
[16:07] <strive> Hm
[16:11] <LaurenceLumi> if I use backportpackage to build a package, is there a simple way to get alerted(email) if the package that I backported get updated?
[16:11] <might_get_loud> @strive, also this happens. i login as eguser i can control service with systemctl (status, start, stop, restart etc) then i logout, i login as ubuntu user, switch to eguser dbus session is down but process is still running.
[16:11] <strive> might_get_loud: Add dbus-update-activation-environment --systemd --all to the end of your shell init file.
[16:12] <might_get_loud> @strive, when i add it to .bashrc and source it i get dbus-update-activation-environment: error: unable to connect to D-Bus: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
[16:17] <nbusrone> brainwash : ok will test them but I wanted to know more whether save html picture and viewing them offline using a browser.Why does jpeg with webp compression doesn't show up ?
[16:20] <strive> might_get_loud: What's systemctl --user status dbus.socket
[16:22] <might_get_loud> on eguser? I cant run any command with systemctl --user when loged in as ubuntu then switch to eguser, it said the error above i mentioned `failed to connect to bus....`
[16:23] <strive> Does default.target contain Wants=dbus.socket
[16:24] <strive> might_get_loud: systemctl --user list-dependencies default.target
[16:29] <Skreen> Hi
[16:34] <EvilRoey> Hi all.  Can anyone help me with this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1034909  <-- I'm stuck at the part the original poster is, not knowing how to obtain the WEBDAV server's .pem
[16:36] <might_get_loud> @strive, it has under basic.target (paths,sockets,timers). But now when i logout it breaks the stuff i was talking about when you first login and session persist so you can switch users with no problems
[16:52] <hsiktas> is it ok to change the login shell for root to zsh?
[16:52] <hsiktas> or could this have some strange side effects?
[16:52] <leftyfb> hsiktas: why are you logged in as root to begin with?
[16:54] <hsiktas> new VPS with no users yet
[16:54] <leftyfb> hsiktas: the default installation of Ubuntu sets up a user
[16:54] <hsiktas> yeah, the VPS provider is using a custom installation script which sets up a password for root
[16:55] <leftyfb> hsiktas: I would recommend adding a user and using that user to login and set whatever shell you want for that user
[16:55] <hsiktas> thx, will do that
[17:01] <zarzar> what's a good git gui for ubuntu 16LTS?
[17:03] <tharkun> Good $DAY how can I install an iso image into a usb pen drive?
[17:03] <Mathisen> zarzar, GitKraken
[17:04] <zarzar> ok i'll check it out
[17:07] <might_get_loud> @tharkun, check etcher its very simple, you cant mess up a thing (bootable iso i assume)
[17:10] <wodencafe> Hey guys, ever since I upgraded to 17.10, I've been getting weird seg faults with random applications.
[17:17] <zarzar> Mathisen: why does gitkraken require a login
[17:19] <Mathisen> zarzar, ask the devs
[17:19] <zarzar> Mathisen ok its not a bitbucket type system right?
[17:20] <wodencafe> My sound stopped working after upgrading to 17.10 too
[17:22] <Mathisen> zarzar, just try it see for yourself, you asked for a gui and that one is good one the best out there
[17:22] <Mathisen> personaly i just use terminal
[17:48] <noah1> I'm willing to tryout updates that are proposed. Where can I get these updates and report on any bugs I find?
[17:48] <brainwash> !proposed
[17:49] <noah1> brainwash: Thanks
[18:17] <jonfatino> anyone know how I can get only a list of volumes inside a certain volume group
[18:17] <jonfatino> for scripting (for each)
[18:17] <jonfatino> lvs --noheadings -o lv_name | tr -d '  '
[18:17] <jonfatino> Prints them all
[18:18] <jonfatino> got it :-)  lvs --noheadings guest_images_lvm -o lv_name
[18:33] <devxxx> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/13/munich_committee_says_all_windows_2020/ <- Munich Council: To Hell With Linux, We're Going Full Windows in 2020
[18:33] <devxxx> ^ Smart.
[18:33] <devxxx> for probably the same problems that i got banned for in ##linux
[18:33] <devxxx> that i complained about
[18:34] <devxxx> linux costs *more* than windows
[18:36] <devxxx> free as in freedom of speech? sure. free as in free pop? not so much.
[18:36] <devxxx> not even beer is free :)
[18:36] <nicomachus> !ot > devxxx
[18:37] <nicomachus> !coc > devxxx
[18:38] <devxxx> nicomachus: you had a bot message me crap. i disregarded as spam, because that's what it looked like.
[18:38] <devxxx> please don't spam me anymore
[18:39] <brainwash> do you need help with ubuntu?
[18:39] <devxxx> no, i'm not braindead
[18:42] <devxxx> I just don't want to see Linux, and all its colourful flavours to diminish into nothingness due to a lack of support from the non-technical community
[18:42] <devxxx> The problem is that linux users are making linux suitable for them, and are ignoring those who have little to no knowledge of Linux
[18:42] <devxxx> this is why it's going to fail
[18:42] <devxxx> this is why Windows became what it is today.
[18:42] <devxxx> don't make that mistake
[18:43] <devxxx> but alas all i will get is a ban from one of those determined, narcissistic linux UI developers who have no intention to make a usable OS for everyone except Linux users.
[18:43] <fooperman> So don't use it.  This is also a support channel, not a social channel so unless you do actually have an Ubuntu technical problem, this isn't the right channel.
[18:43] <nicomachus> !ops | devxxx spam/failure to abide by CoC and stay OT
[18:44] <nicomachus> devxxx: should have read the bot messages I sent you...
[18:44] <devxxx> fair enough fooperman
[18:44] <devxxx> i won't treat it as a social channel anymore then
[18:44] <fooperman> Thanks!
[18:46] <genii> devxxx: Please stay on the topic of support for Ubuntu in this channel, and refrain from being abusive to others, or take your chances with being banned.
[18:48] <devxxx> You don't have to reiterate what someone else said, genii.
[18:48] <tgm4883> devxxx: in case nobody mentioned it, there is a #ubuntu-discuss channel
[18:49] <devxxx> will i be banned there for formulating an opinion?
[18:50] <tgm4883> no
[18:50] <genii> devxxx: Only if your opinion turns into spamming
[18:50] <devxxx> is there such a channel for linux in general?
[18:50] <nicomachus> devxxx: I sent you the code of conduct. You called it spam. Read it, follow it, and you won't be banned.
[18:50] <xerox123> hello, using the raspberry pi2 16.04 image on my Pi3 and upgrading the kernel returns this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25955799/
[18:50] <devxxx> no, you using bots to spam me is spamming.
[18:50] <devxxx> is there a linux chat channel?
[18:50] <nicomachus> k bye, I'm done with you devxxx
[18:50] <genii> ##linux
[18:50] <devxxx> not directly related to tech
[18:51] <devxxx> okay thanks
[18:51] <xerox123> can someone help me now? :3
[18:51] <nicomachus> xerox123: couple things to try. first, `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[18:51] <xerox123> ok
[18:52] <nicomachus> xerox123: then `sudo apt install -f`
[18:52] <xerox123> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25955809/
[18:53] <xerox123> doing the second command...
[18:54] <nicomachus> xerox123: looking a little closer, this seems odd. `run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//flash-kernel`. why is there a double //?
[18:54] <xerox123> I don't know
[18:55] <xerox123> second command output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25955816/
[18:55] <nicomachus> xerox123: can you paste the output of `cat /etc/apt/sources.list`?
[18:55] <devxxx> wait so what's the difference between ##ubuntu and #ubuntu?
[18:56] <xerox123> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25955829/
[18:58] <xerox123> should I maybe add ppa:ubuntu-raspi2/ppa-rpi3?
[18:58] <nicomachus> xerox123: no
[18:58] <nicomachus> xerox123: try running `sudo rpi-update`
[18:58] <xerox123> no such command
[18:59] <nicomachus> xerox123: and this is a rpi2?
[18:59] <xerox123> rpi3
[18:59] <nicomachus> running the MATE rpi image?
[18:59] <xerox123> no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[19:00] <xerox123> followed the steps from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi#Booting_the_official_Pi_2_image_on_the_Pi_3 because of the annoying update bug on the rpi3 image
[19:01] <nicomachus> should still let you use rpi-update....
[19:04] <xerox123> :/
[19:04] <nicomachus> unless that's just a script for the MATE image but it shouldn't be.
[19:05] <xerox123> do you think it's safe to reboot right now?
[19:06] <nicomachus> sure.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> the rpi3 has a nice os called raspbian with the pixel DE based on debian, dunno if that also applies to the rpi2
[19:07] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: raspbian is nice but the Ubuntu arm images are nicer. :D
[19:07] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, well that's a matter of taste, Iubuntu mate didn't do much for me
[19:07] <BluesKaj> ubuntu-mate that is
[19:08] <xerox123> debian feels a little dated to me
[19:08] <xerox123> surprisingly it actually rebooted
[19:08] <xerox123> the software package maintenance puts me off it :/
[19:11] <nicomachus> speaking of, I need to reboot since I tested that rpi-update command on mine first before asking you to run it... biab
[19:18] <hsiktas> I want use apticron to notify me via email about new updates. which MTA should I choose?
[19:18] <hsiktas> exim4 or postfix?
[19:18] <hsiktas> I know postfix and am aware that its config is not trivial
[19:18] <hsiktas> but I never have touched exim4
[19:23] <noah1> Hello all
[19:29] <XenophonF> hsiktas: postfix isn't too hard to configure
[19:31] <Absolute0> What is the app in ubuntu that shows notifications?
[19:31] <Absolute0> It looks weird after some updates - like a terminal window.
[19:33] <noah1> Absolute0: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/lucid/notification-daemon/ This?
[19:33] <nicomachus> Absolute0: what kind of notifications?
[19:34] <noah1> Absolute0: Wait, nevermind. There is no version for 16.04+
[19:34] <Absolute0> nicomachus: nm-applet says you are now connected to network
[19:34] <Absolute0> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[19:34] <nicomachus> Absolute0: Unity, gnome, mate, kde?
[19:34] <Absolute0> nicomachus: gnome
[19:35] <nicomachus> they're just notification banners.
[19:35] <Absolute0> notify-send "hi"
[19:35] <noah1> Cool. I learned a new command
[19:35] <noah1> Thanks
[19:35] <nicomachus> Absolute0: looks like you found it.
[19:36] <Absolute0> askubuntu.com/questions/128474/how-to-customize-on-screen-notifications
[19:36] <hsiktas> I have an external mail provider for my domain (mx records are already set). how can I tell postfix to send root@localhost or root@mydomain mails to my mail provider?
[19:36] <hsiktas> I think "Internet Site" is the wrong profile here
[19:37] <nicomachus> Absolute0: ok... what are you asking?
[19:41] <hetii> Hi
[19:41] <hetii> :)
[19:41] <noah1> Hello
[19:41] <mboard> hi, is there a way I can make dpkg -i software.deb and it is making install of all dependencies as well?
[19:42] <hetii> I try to mount some linux-raid fs dumped from SD-CARD any clue how to move forward ? https://pastebin.com/ez1rvpT7
[19:42] <EriC^^> mboard: after running dpkg -i and it complains, run sudo apt-get -f install
[19:42] <mboard> EriC^^ ok thank you
[19:47] <fluvvell> I have two screens and nvidia graphics, sometime in the last week after unplugging the 4k monitor and re-plugging it back in, my screen layout changed and I can't seem to get stasis (doesn't survive logout) 1st question, what gconf or other setting helps me reset the top menu bar- I've tried about 4 that don't work.
[19:48] <fluvvell> As the left monitor bar extends most of the way to the rignt and the right monitor one is tiny
[19:50] <fluvvell> xrandr in preferences does not show the screen modes I use, and nvidia settings doesn't save. Anyone with a dual screen setup they solved this with?
[19:51] <fluvvell> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> hsiktas: Stock "Internet Site" config could still work if you have SPF and such set up to allow your server to send from your domain, but if you actually want to relay it, take a look at https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/postfix-smtp-debian7 and https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-postfix-to-send-mail-using-gmail-and-google-apps-on-debian-or-ubuntu
[19:53] <hsiktas> tonyyarusso: thx
[20:23] <Manning> how do I install chromium on ubuntu? I tried sudo apt-get install chromium-browser but I get "Package chromium-browser is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[20:24] <leftyfb> Manning: what version of ubuntu?
[20:24] <Manning> leftyfb I believe the latest, but how do I check?
[20:24] <leftyfb> Manning: cat /etc/issue
[20:25] <Manning> 16.04.3 LTS
[20:25] <leftyfb> Manning: apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[20:26] <Manning> leftyfb installer (none) candidate (none) version table <empty>
[20:27] <leftyfb> Manning: that doesn't sound right
[20:27] <leftyfb> Manning: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
[20:27] <Manning> sure, but this is live session from USB should be all vanilla
[20:28] <brainwash> !info chromium-browser xenial
[20:28] <leftyfb> Manning: you never said it was a live session
[20:28] <brainwash> then it should be there
[20:29] <leftyfb> that makes a big difference
[20:29]  * nacc can't recall if universe is on by default in the live session
[20:29] <Manning> leftyfb didn't think it made a different
[20:29] <leftyfb> Manning: chromium is in the universe repo which isn't enabled by default
[20:29] <ShinyCyril> what's the easiest way to create a PPA of an existing package with slightly different compile options?
[20:29] <Manning> ahh... how do I enable it universe repo?
[20:29] <nacc> ShinyCyril: create the ppa, edit the source package, upload to the ppa.
[20:30] <ioria> Manning, have you run  sudo apt update   ?
[20:30] <Manning> ioria I have now
[20:30] <ioria> Manning,  try again
[20:31] <ioria> Manning,  if fails, please paste the complete error
[20:31] <ShinyCyril> nacc: Thank you – presumably I would acquire the source via apt-get source?
[20:31] <Manning> ioria I literally just did it after you asked me ;)
[20:32] <Manning> ioria it doesn't fail, 273 packages can be upgraded. But still no chromium. How would and apt update add universe repo to the list though?
[20:32] <nacc> ShinyCyril: or pull-lp-source or pull-debian-source, it depends onn what you need/want. What are you compiling and why are you changinng the optiosn?
[20:32] <nacc> !componentns | Manning
[20:32] <nacc> !components | Manning
[20:32] <ioria> Manning,  sudo add-apt-repository universe
[20:33] <ShinyCyril> nacc: ngspice (engineering tool) with an option to build a shared lib (not enabled by default)
[20:33] <nacc> ShinyCyril: ok
[20:34] <Manning> ok, installing now, thx
[20:34] <ShinyCyril> nacc: any recommended reading for deciding which I should opt for?
[20:34] <Manning> even though I got an error with apt update. "Critical **: error moving old database out of the way"
[20:36] <ioria> Manning,  persistent usb ?
[20:36] <Manning> ahh, yeah.
[20:36] <nacc> ShinyCyril: are you buildig for your current release?
[20:36] <ioria> Manning,  not live then ... please provice correct infos
[20:36] <ShinyCyril> nacc: Yes
[20:37] <ioria> *provice
[20:38] <Manning> ioria I meant ahh yeah that could be it. There's no persistent file.
[20:38] <nacc> ShinyCyril: the apt-get source is fie
[20:38] <Manning> sorry, my ahh yeah could have been clearer :P
[20:38] <ioria> Manning,  ok
[20:38] <ShinyCyril> nacc: Perfect - thank you for your help :)
[20:38] <Manning> either way, it worked
[20:38] <Manning> got chromium installed and running
[20:39] <Manning> thx for th ehelp
[20:40] <hshskaofkd> Hello, can someone help with the following problem:  when i start my computer it goes in 'emergency mode' and before that it briefly flashes rhe message: 'could not configure common clock'
[20:40] <leftyfb> woah
[20:40] <ioria> Manning, might be a bug or permission erros
[20:40] <leftyfb> "add-apt-repository universe" ... I didn't know that was a thing
[20:40] <leftyfb> I love learning something new every day :)
[20:40] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: when did that start to happen?
[20:40] <nacc> leftyfb: yeah, a-a-r is way easier
[20:40] <leftyfb> much
[20:41] <nacc> leftyfb: it doesn't work for propsoed, though, iirc
[20:41] <leftyfb> booo
[20:41] <nacc> leftyfb: even though i thik it's supposed to ... it's on my todo to try annd figure out
[20:41] <hshskaofkd> Alkisg: just now. I sudo upgraded my computer and then it suddenly turend of
[20:42] <hshskaofkd> I think because the power ran out
[20:42] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: if apt upgrade got interrupted, go to the grub recovery mode, and run apt-get dist-upgrade from there
[20:42] <hshskaofkd> But i think the upgrade did finish, but dont know this for sure
[20:43] <alkisg> In the grub menu, select recovery mode
[20:43] <alkisg> Then select "enable networking" and "root shell", and run apt from there
[20:46] <hshskaofkd> I selected enable networking, but it looks like its doing nothing and there is a red [failed]: failed to start Load Kernel Modules
[20:48] <ioria> hshskaofkd, for now try, from the recovery menu,  fsck
[20:49] <hshskaofkd> Which option is that?
[20:49] <ioria> hshskaofkd,  fsck  (if still there)
[20:50] <hshskaofkd> Sorry i read over it
[20:52] <hshskaofkd> It does the same as the enable networking option
[20:53] <ioria> hshskaofkd, maybe you need a livecd ...
[20:54] <ioria> hshskaofkd, and if you can, reset the bios to default
[20:54] <hshskaofkd> Error message https://imgur.com/gallery/WwQII
[20:56] <ioria> hshskaofkd, using encryption ?
[20:56] <hshskaofkd> Also after doing ehat you said and them pressing ctrl d the recovery thing says im in read/write
[20:57] <ioria> hshskaofkd, no idea, exit and resume
[20:57] <hshskaofkd> And executing apt get dist upgrade  ot says i should do dpkg --configure -a?
[20:57] <ioria> hshskaofkd, let's do it
[20:57] <hshskaofkd> Should i do that
[20:58] <ioria> yep
[20:58] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: when that's done, don't reboot, it's possible that your /boot/efi partition is still corrupted
[20:58] <hshskaofkd> Ok
[20:58] <hshskaofkd> Its done
[20:59] <hshskaofkd> Should i do apt-get dist-upgrade again?
[20:59] <alkisg> Sure, do it
[20:59] <ioria> hshskaofkd, try
[21:01] <hshskaofkd> Dist upgrade works and says 0 upgraded 0 installed 0 to remoce and 0 not  upgraded
[21:01] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: ( cat /etc/fstab; lsblk --fs; ) | termbin.com 9999 ==> will tell us about your partitions
[21:01] <alkisg> ( cat /etc/fstab; lsblk --fs; ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:02] <ioria> hshskaofkd, weird you have esp on /dev/sdb2
[21:02] <alkisg> sda2 is fat too, and failed/not corrected...
[21:04] <hshskaofkd> Do i need to be connected to wifi for this?
[21:06] <alkisg> Ah, you ran dist-upgrade without a network connection?
[21:06] <alkisg> Yeah, termbin etc need networking
[21:08] <hshskaofkd> Im not sure the wifi is a little spotty, but it should be better here.
[21:10] <hshskaofkd> Is there a way i can join a network?
[21:11] <hroi> hi,
[21:11] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: at that point you could probably type "exit" and select "continue boot" from the menu...
[21:11] <hroi> Im running on a very light weight laptop, Im wondering which lightweight desktop might be best supported in the canonical?
[21:12] <hshskaofkd> It worked
[21:12] <hroi> any suggestions?  I see quite a lot of options :)
[21:12] <hshskaofkd> Thank you both so much
[21:12] <alkisg> np
[21:12] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: although, that termbin could still be useful
[21:12] <hshskaofkd> Never run apt upgrade when not connected to power i guess
[21:13] <alkisg> hroi: most lightweight flavors are community supported, not by canonical
[21:13] <alkisg> Also, define light weight; which cpu exactly and how much ram?
[21:13] <hroi> alkisg, ah sorry, well, I mean the offical repo has some falvour
[21:13] <hroi> cpu is not problem but ram is, only 2GB right now
[21:14] <hroi> this is a so called cloud laptop - ohh boy
[21:14] <alkisg> 2gb is fine for most flavors
[21:15] <hroi> alkisg, right, however as soon as I open up a webbrowser with gmail, and google docs, it seems to hurt the memory a lot.
[21:15] <alkisg> hroi: indeed, and no distro will help you there
[21:15] <hroi> without webbrowser running, linux plus unity take up 500MB
[21:15] <hroi> I might rave on a couple of 100MB.
[21:15] <hroi> "save"
[21:15] <alkisg> Exactly, and e.g. lubuntu or mate might take up 300 MB
[21:15] <hroi> yeah
[21:16] <alkisg> So, having 1500 or 1700 free isn't a lot of difference
[21:16] <hroi> Im poor, so any little helps
[21:16] <alkisg> Anyways, in term of ram, I think it's like this: kde > gnome > unity > xfce > mate > lxde
[21:17] <alkisg> I'm using mate personally as I think lxde is too poor in its interface
[21:17] <hshskaofkd> Alkisg: termbin
[21:17] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: the whole url is needed, e.g. termbin.com/qwer
[21:17] <hshskaofkd> Termbin.com/g3on
[21:17] <hshskaofkd> Yeah, im on my phone, sorry
[21:18]  * SimonNL_Afk hallo allemaal hoe gaat het er mee
[21:18] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: sudo umount /dev/sdb2; sudo fsck /dev/sdb2 ==> does this show errors about mismatched file allocation tables etc?
[21:19] <zertyu> hi there
[21:19] <zertyu> in ubuntu Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[21:19] <zertyu> lxd not affecting ip automatically to his containers normal ?
[21:20] <nacc> zertyu: you may want #lxcontainers, but I do't fully understand your question
[21:20] <zertyu> thanks
[21:20] <zertyu> but come there
[21:21] <zertyu> if you feel competent
[21:21] <hshskaofkd> Alkisg: i get the message: there are differenxes between boot sector and its backup
[21:22] <alkisg> hshskaofkd: yeah that's not good, try this : sudo dd if=dev/sdb2 of=/root/sdb2.boot-sector bs=512 count=1; sudo fsck -r /dev/sdb2
[21:22] <hshskaofkd> 'This is mostly harmless. Differences: (offset:original/backup)'
[21:22] <alkisg> The first keeps a backup, the second tells it to fix the problem
[21:22] <hshskaofkd> And then three options
[21:23] <alkisg> Ah, you have an option to fix it? OK go ahead and select the option to fix it...
[21:23] <hshskaofkd> Copy original to backup
[21:23] <hshskaofkd> Copy backup to original
[21:23] <hshskaofkd> No action
[21:24] <hshskaofkd> Should i do option 2?
[21:24] <alkisg> Select no action, then do the "dd" command that I said, and finally run fsck again, and copy original to backup
[21:25] <hshskaofkd> Is it if=.. and the of=..?
[21:25] <hshskaofkd> *And then
[21:26] <alkisg> Yes
[21:26] <alkisg> sudo dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/root/sdb2.boot-sector bs=512 count=1
[21:26] <alkisg> I forgot a / before dev/sdb2
[21:28] <hshskaofkd> Ok
[21:28] <hshskaofkd> Should i reboot again?
[21:32] <hshskaofkd> Ok, alkisg, thank you again for your help
[21:33] <hshskaofkd> I have to leave, but i really appreciate it
[21:40] <mirak> hello, I can't run X application as root with sudo, like kvpm
[21:40] <mirak> or even xeyes
[21:41] <nicomachus> !gksudo | mirak
[21:43] <akik> mirak: in 17.10 wayland?
[21:44] <mirak> akik, i think so
[21:44] <mirak>  1809 tty1     00:03:06 Xwayland
[21:44] <akik> mirak: run this before: xhost +si:localuser:root
[21:46] <mirak> nicomachus, gksudo doesn't work, it show the popup but it can't get keyboard focus
[21:46] <mirak> and when I type it appears in the terminal
[21:47] <nicomachus> mirak: I think akik has the solution you need. I'm still getting used to Wayland v. Xorg
[21:47] <mirak> nicomachus, this worked
[21:48] <mirak> but shouldn't it work out of the box ?
[21:48] <mirak> and not break after an update ?
[21:48] <mirak> to 17.10
[21:48] <akik> mirak: the xorg session works as before
[21:48] <nicomachus> mirak: 17.10 was a big change. They switched from X as a display to Wayland. Huge deal. You can still launch and Xorg session from the greeter if needed.
[21:51] <mirak> akik, so it's by design then
[21:51] <mirak> ?
[21:53] <transhuman> hi! I want to use IPv4 and IPv6 with DMZ host with afraid.org (dyndns), server is ubuntu 16.04 anyone have any currently working directions, I read the threads and it seems like everything I have found is currently broken. (NOTE: Can use any recommended Ubuntu 16.04 dynamic DNS client, but not a windows client since I am constrained only to my DMZ host no other clients can connect due to gnat at provider)
[21:57] <alkisg> mirak: yes, it's by design: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Running_graphical_applications_as_root
[21:58] <_dimvar_> Hello guys, I'm new to Ubuntu. I installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop "Acer E5-575-32" and my wlan doesn't work, any idea?
[21:59] <alkisg> _dimvar_: any reason to install 14.04 instead of 16.04?
[22:02] <_dimvar_> @alkisg super boot manager I guess :p
[22:03] <alkisg> _dimvar_: 16.04 has a newer kernel which may support your wlan out of the box
[22:10] <pavlos> _dimvar_: you could "try ubuntu" w/ a live usb for 16.04 and see if wifi works, then better install 16.04
[22:13] <adrian_1908> Since wifi has always been an area of problems, you should definitely try a newer kernel. I do not understand the attraction some people feel toward older OS releases, except in the case of servers.
[22:14] <pavlos> transhuman: is the server getting static ip? if so, add "iface eth0 inet6 static" and relevant info (addr, mask, gw) in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:14] <transhuman> no I am using dynamic DNS
[22:14] <transhuman> or to be more specific pavlos trying to use dynamic dns
[22:14] <transhuman> clients all seem broken with afraid.org
[22:15] <transhuman> or at least pavlos cant seem to find currently working directions
[22:15] <transhuman> wishing I had static IP for sure
[22:16] <pavlos> transhuman: see #4 if that helps ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2174246
[22:17] <transhuman> ok I will try that pavlos, don't hold much hope though, think i have tried it on a different VM instance but here goes...
[22:17] <transhuman> thanks
[22:31] <alive876> hi, i have ubuntu 16 running on a vps and ubuntu 16 on my desktop running in virtualbox. is the a way to display the remote machine in my local gui and move files between them, etc?
[22:33] <adrian_1908> alive876: You could look into whether the filemanager supports SFTP, I wouldn't be surprised if it did!
[22:33] <allizom> alive876: ssh, sftp
[22:35] <alive876> i meant something more along the lines of gui interface ,  those are command line, where the file systems might be networked
[22:36] <allizom> the sftp server can be accessed with nautilus
[22:36] <adrian_1908> alive876: GUI for what? You'd open your remote location in your filemanager as suggested.
[22:37] <CashDash123> who thought it was a good idea to not have gcc,gawk,and make installede by default in Lubuntu?
[22:38] <nacc> CashDash123: do you have an actual support question?
[22:38] <adrian_1908> CashDash123: Does Lubuntu allow one to empty the trash bin with a right-click these days?
[22:38] <hroi> hi
[22:38] <nacc> CashDash123: most users do not need any of those tools.
[22:38] <hroi> can anyone check for me if their default ubuntu 16.04 can or cannot play this icelandic government new site?
[22:39] <hroi> http://ruv.is/sarpurinn/ruv/frettir/20171113
[22:39] <hroi> ruv  is Rikisutvarpid,  you could google wiki it first
[22:39] <CashDash123> nacc, Define most
[22:40] <adrian_1908> hroi: 17.10 works really well here (smooth HQ playback), can't help with 16.04 though.
[22:40] <hroi> my firefox on ubuntu 16.04.3 says,  "this webbrowser does not allow you to play this video"
[22:40] <hroi> adrian_1908, oh,
[22:40] <nacc> CashDash123: the default packages on Ubuntu insntallatios do not require those packages.
[22:40] <nacc> CashDash123: if you need them, install them, or instlal build-essential.
[22:40] <hroi> hmmm... wonder if its just a firefox upgrade needed
[22:41] <CashDash123> nacc, Thanks just venting as I'm setting up lfs
[22:41] <adrian_1908> hroi: Or maybe you have an addon that interferes, like something that disables features for security reasons?
[22:41] <hroi> but seems unlikely somehow, how anal can the Icelandic Government TV station be
[22:41]  * hroi know Icelandic government.
[22:42] <shazbotmcnasty> \
[22:42] <shazbotmcnasty> oops
[22:42] <hroi> ok maybe there is pps for latest firefox will try that
[22:42] <hroi> thanks adrian_1908 !
[22:43] <adrian_1908> hroi: Yes, try the PPA i'm using it right now and no issues!
[22:43] <hroi> maybe there is some idiot at RUV.is that thinks UDP streaming data is a huge security risk
[22:43] <adrian_1908> :D
[22:44] <hroi> *ppa right
[22:44] <hroi> pps
[22:44] <hroi> lol
[22:44] <hroi> pbs is best though!
[22:50] <hroi> adrian_1908, I see there are "firefox-beat" ppa and also firefox security team ppa,
[22:50] <hroi> which one do you use?
[22:50] <adrian_1908> one sec, let me check
[22:52] <adrian_1908> hroi: I'm using the Beta, because the Ubuntu 17.10 Beta used a really outdated firefox (50.0) until it got released. https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[22:53] <adrian_1908> You way want to pick the stable one instead, not sure which PPA is the best choice.
[22:53] <hroi> ok, will see if there is a stable
[22:54] <hroi> perhaps this is a reputable source, https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/mozilla_team_firefox_next
[22:54] <adrian_1908> hroi: the security team one you mentioned seems fine to me actually: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:54] <hroi> ah, nah thats aplpha beta rc
[22:54] <hroi> right security one might have a stable
[22:55] <hroi> or should have a stalbe :)
[22:55] <nacc> adrian_1908: ... no it didn't
[22:55] <adrian_1908> yup, theirs is 57 stable form the looks of it.
[22:55] <nacc> adrian_1908: or i'm ot sure what you mean "using the beta"
[22:56] <nacc> hroi: this website claims to need a version more recent than 56.0?
[22:56] <nacc> hroi: 56.0 is in xenial-updates and xenial-security already
[22:56] <adrian_1908> nacc: Ubuntu 17.10, prior to its release, used an outdated version of Firefox. I think it was 50.0, but might have been later, but either way old enough to be annoying.
[22:57] <hroi> perhaps getting firefox from the horses mouth as a binary tar ball and extracting under /opt is a good idea
[22:57] <hroi> some packages on ubuntu are not exactly as the maker intended
[22:57] <hroi> "blender"
[22:57] <nacc> adrian_1908: right, but when it released, it was fine (at 56.0)
[22:57] <adrian_1908> right.
[22:58] <nacc> hroi: what are you trying to do?
[22:58] <hroi> use an up to date firefox stable
[22:58] <hroi> my mission is a noble one
[22:58] <nacc> hroi: 56.0 is the stable
[22:59] <nacc> hroi: nad is available from ubuntu.
[22:59] <nacc> that website loads fine in 17.10 which is the same version of firefox as in xenial updates/security
[23:00] <hroi> nacc, great
[23:00] <hroi> ok so I added the security ppa
[23:00] <nacc> hroi: don't use a PPA unless you need to
[23:00] <nacc> why?
[23:00] <hroi> and apt-get update,
[23:00] <hroi> im on 16.04.3
[23:00] <nacc> hroi: so?
[23:00] <nacc> !info firefox xenial | hroi
[23:01] <nacc> hroi: you don't need a PPA to get 56.0.
[23:01] <hroi> hm,
[23:02] <adrian_1908> yes, nacc's suggestion is probably the best.
[23:02] <nacc> hroi: adrian_1908: "Unless you are testing updates, you should not install packages from this PPA"
[23:02] <StumpDumb> since upgrading to 17.10 my Firefox crashes Everytime, before with 16.04 crashed Never!
[23:02] <nacc> i feel like some basic reading would have answered this
[23:03] <hroi> yeah, like help version dropdown
[23:03] <hroi> sorry
[23:03] <nacc> adrian_1908: hroi: that PPA is basically for testinng of updates before release and for buildig the security updates before they get released
[23:03] <ph88> is there a default directory in home where i can put programs which get installed with make install ? i don't want to polute my system directories
[23:03] <nacc> no one should be *recommending* they use it.
[23:03] <nacc> ph88: ~/bin ?
[23:03] <nacc> ph88: not sure what exactly you mean, though
[23:04] <nacc> `make isntall` doesn't generally just install a single binary
[23:04] <adrian_1908> Personally I got tangled up in package "pinning" chaos when trying to get FF from a different release, so the Firefox Beta PPA was a "just works" alternative during 17.10 beta.
[23:04] <ph88> nacc, maybe some ~/.  directory
[23:04] <hroi> im running firefox 54.0
[23:04] <nacc> adrian_1908: you should ont ever get FF from a different release, that's not sensible.
[23:05] <hroi> whaaaaat is going on
[23:05] <nacc> adrian_1908: if you didn't want to deal with the artful firefox being old, then do't run artful before it releases
[23:05] <nacc> hroi: apt policy firefox in a pastebin, please
[23:05] <StumpDumb> Soooo.....I should uninstall FF and reinstall Firefox?
[23:06] <nacc> StumpDumb: you went through the normal upgrades? 16.04 -> 17.04 -> 17.10?
[23:06] <StumpDumb> Yes
[23:07] <nacc> StumpDumb: you can alwasy try a close firefox, `mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak`, start firefox and see if it works
[23:07] <nacc> StumpDumb: in case it's, say, a third-party extension
[23:08] <StumpDumb> let me take a peek and see whats all loaded w FF
[23:09] <hroi> nacc, https://pastebin.com/tCmnDh0s
[23:10] <nacc> hroi: you insntalled a version at some prior poinnt in the xenial-security/updates process and posisbly pinned it, try upgrading firefox
[23:10] <nacc> hroi: `sudo apt upgrade firefox`
[23:10] <nacc> hroi: (or you installed it manually from a .deb)
[23:10] <hroi> nacc, right, I only added the ppa, the updated the apt
[23:10] <nacc> hroi: alternatively; sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade
[23:10] <hroi> I never asked for upgrade,
[23:10] <nacc> hroi: what ppa?
[23:11] <nacc> hroi: there is no ppa listed there.
[23:11] <nacc> !ppa-purge | hroi: and i would remove it asap
[23:11] <hroi> i added the security one, I then immediately removed it when you raised the point
[23:11] <hroi> so yeah you see it no more
[23:11] <nacc> hroi: ok, then do the update and full-upgrade and firefox should upgrade
[23:11] <hroi> but I never did an upgrade, just update, then removed ppa again updage
[23:11] <hroi> nacc, ah.
[23:11] <hroi> ok thanks
[23:11] <nacc> hroi: presumably you could have been updatign firefox for some time
[23:12] <hroi> indeed, your precausion was apt
[23:12] <nacc> hroi: is apt offering to upgrade your firefox?
[23:14] <hroi> nacc, yeah... upgrade offered to upgrade firefox amongs 100 other things
[23:14] <hroi> I accepted
[23:14] <adrian_1908> about time then, don't wait too long between updates :D
[23:15] <StumpDumb> okay, updated the couple of plugins and ran upgrade (already running newest ver)
[23:15] <nacc> hroi: yeah, i'm guessing you waited  quite a whilte
[23:15] <StumpDumb> I'll wait to see if it crashes any more.
[23:15] <nacc> hroi: which is also bad for security issues :)
[23:15] <nacc> StumpDumb: ok
[23:16] <adrian_1908> hroi: also run `sudo apt -y autoremove` afterwards to remove some cruft that might have accumulated.
[23:16] <nacc> adrian_1908: good idea
[23:17] <StumpDumb> while I have u here....it always takes two tries to start pidgin, even in previous ver 16.04, I red once it could be a (dare I say) virus?
[23:18] <hroi> nacc, linux firmware updating loads of stuff
[23:18] <nacc> StumpDumb: no idea, i'd try it from the command line and see if it's crashing
[23:19] <hroi> hope that video streming issue was just a firefox version issue, but I somehow trust firefox more than Icelandic government television IT team
[23:19] <StumpDumb> the pidgin item I can def live with....
[23:20] <StumpDumb> I have been having problems burning a cd, was told to upgrade to 17.10 but the issue is still present.
[23:21] <hroi> when Richard Stallman went to an interview 8 years back, at icelandic public tv, he insisted they only stream him in webm, and no proprietary video formatj
[23:21] <nacc> StumpDumb: sorry, ca't help with that one... haven't burned a cd in many years
[23:21] <nacc> hroi: please try to stay ontopic (chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic)
[23:22] <hroi> nacc, sorry, my autonomous chitchatter went off suddenly
[23:23] <adrian_1908> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[23:23] <adrian_1908> whoops
[23:23] <adrian_1908> ignore :)
[23:24] <hroi> StumpDumb, I suspect upgrading to a newer ubuntu is not going to help with legacy cdrom support
[23:24] <hroi> should be some other problem
[23:25] <hroi> StumpDumb, I used to burn a lot in my day
[23:25] <marcisb> What command apt-get update does?
[23:25] <hroi> which application are u using?
[23:25] <adrian_1908> StumpDumb: Also, which burning program are you using? I've never had any issues with mine, on multiple different machines.
[23:26] <StumpDumb> ok...here we go....its a brand new external light scribe drive
[23:26] <hroi> StumpDumb, model number?
[23:26] <adrian_1908> marcisb: It basically fetches a list of currently available software packages.
[23:26] <marcisb> Thanks
[23:27] <StumpDumb> it seems the error that I get from K3B is "wodim: OPC failed." Or "/usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits."
[23:27] <adrian_1908> marcisb: just the list (information). You can then decide whether you e.g. want to update your software to newer versions, if any are available.
[23:28] <StumpDumb> Model No.: 'CDDVDW TS-L632N '
[23:29] <adrian_1908> StumpDumb: no idea, but that does look like "trouble" to fix. You shouldn't need superuser permissions to burn.
[23:29] <StumpDumb> I've tried to update wodim but it says it is current.....Wodim version: 1.1.11
[23:30] <hroi> StumpDumb, install sdrkit package
[23:30] <hroi> apt-get install cdrkit
[23:30] <hroi> sorry
[23:30] <hroi> brasero-cdrkit
[23:30] <StumpDumb> okay....one moment plz.....
[23:33] <hroi> StumpDumb, ok well sorry , perhaps not it
[23:33] <hroi> try also post "$ groups"
[23:33] <hroi> you should be part of cdrom group
[23:34] <adrian_1908> And that the appopriate group is set in the application: https://i.stack.imgur.com/YMkbZ.png
[23:36] <hroi> https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1291337.html
[23:36] <hroi> this is an old issue it seems, with a long list of blogging and perplexion
[23:36] <hroi> have to read all the way to the end of that monster
[23:37] <hroi> StumpDumb, I think running,  $ sudo k3b ,   is worth a try
[23:37] <hroi> I recall having to burn as superuser in the old days
[23:38] <hroi> have no idea why that was necessary
[23:38] <hroi> but it used to work
[23:38] <StumpDumb> I have tried K3B, locks up when it comes to the burn
[23:40] <hroi> StumpDumb, it may well be later kernel feature the requires this to be super user
[23:40] <hroi> not sure if k3b is maintained even
[23:41] <adrian_1908> Doesn't Ubuntu come with a default burning application? Brasero maybe? I use Xubuntu which comes with Xfburn and that program has never given me any issues over the years. I had more issues back in the day on Windows with Nero.
[23:45] <StumpDumb> brasero and xburn do Not work either.
[23:45] <lakitu> hey - i'm stuck in Emergency Mode
[23:45] <lakitu> (on boot)
[23:45] <lakitu> - any clues on this?
[23:45] <lakitu> Ubuntu 17.10
[23:45] <lakitu> new install, no old kernels to use . . .
[23:45] <hroi> aw :(
[23:45] <ph88> nacc, i found ~/.local which works for me
[23:45] <hroi> http://ruv.is/sarpurinn/ruv/frettir/20171113   is still saying "this webbrowser does not allow you to play this video"
[23:46] <hroi> must be hardware
[23:46] <hroi> yet I have a brand new celeron n3050 something
[23:46] <StumpDumb> tried to install cdrkit and cdrtools....error "E: Unable to locate package
[23:46] <hroi> StumpDumb, sorry
[23:46] <hroi> StumpDumb, just run $ sudo k3b
[23:46] <hroi> and try writing
[23:47] <lakitu> StumpDumb, try tab-completion as you type "apt(-get) install cdr"
[23:48] <qfour20> Hello, all.  Not sure about etiquette for asking a question here, so please let me know if this is out of line.  I am having a heck of a time getting my echo audio layla24 card to be recognized by my ubuntu 17.10 installation.  I can't seem to figure out how to get modules compiled for it.
[23:48] <lakitu> if you still get nothing, maybe you will have to fix your software sources & update
[23:48] <StumpDumb> after typing sudo k3b: QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
[23:48] <StumpDumb> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyQXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :0
[23:48] <StumpDumb> Aborted
[23:49] <adrian_1908> StumpDumb: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[23:49] <StumpDumb> ubuntu 17.10
[23:49] <adrian_1908> Assuming that K3B is not the default burning application, I would suggest you try whatever is recommended as the default, and completely remove (purge) K3B.
[23:50] <adrian_1908> The software center will probably return the #1 choice if you search for "burning" or so.
[23:50] <adrian_1908> brb, cooking at the same time (bad idea).
[23:50] <lakitu> anyone know what to do for emergency mode? in Ubuntu's start-up?
[23:50] <StumpDumb> Oh I Like that tab complete, very neat tool
[23:50] <lakitu> right after grub
[23:51] <lakitu> StumpDumb usually i use synaptic instead because you can search & read pretty easily
[23:51] <StumpDumb> Brasero is the default, I will remove K3B
[23:52] <kostkon> hroi, make sure you have enabled widevine in firefox addons. Also, it could be a flash based video player trying to play DRM content
[23:52] <hroi> right
[23:52] <hroi> chrome does it
[23:52] <hroi> so glad its not hardware related -- must be FOSS related
[23:53] <hroi> still firefox my favorite browser :)
[23:53] <hroi> stupid clowns at icelandic gov tv not to try their streams with firefox, commooooon!
[23:53] <kostkon> hroi, it works in chrome?
[23:53] <allizom> hroi: are you just trying to see that stream?
[23:54] <hroi> yeah
[23:54] <adrian_1908> hroi: did you get anyone else to test it? would have been useful to hear from another FF user with your version.
[23:54] <allizom> 'cause you had your answer in #firefox an hour ago
[23:54] <hroi> and stream plugin from that gov tv is a liar too!  says its the webbrowsers fault
[23:54] <kostkon> hroi, what options do you get when you right click on the player
[23:54] <hroi> allizom, yeah someone tested before but did not have same ff version as me
[23:54] <hroi> I upgraded ff and still had problem
[23:55] <hroi> bummer, but not ff fault
[23:55] <kostkon> hroi, does it mention flash
[23:55] <hroi> no,
[23:55] <hroi> but I need to check out network dev monitor to see perhaps
[23:56] <hroi> kostkon, if they have flash, omg, Im going public with that -- they would have the added benefit of not working out of the box on all i-thing devices
[23:56] <hroi> that would be extra Iceland gov.
[23:56] <allizom> hroi: that website uses apple hls afaict, that's not supported by firefox
[23:57] <hroi> allizom, ahh the hls internet standard, ISO number?
[23:57] <hroi> ehm,
[23:57] <allizom> extract the m3u8 url and use with a media player
[23:57] <hroi> 1234bull.
[23:57] <allizom> not a standard, just a draft
[23:57] <adrian_1908> hroi: so maybe it's a version issue then, i.e. fixed in the next FF release after yours.
[23:57] <hroi> Im so embarrassed to be an icelander
[23:58] <hroi> good noboday abroad visits this site
[23:58] <compdoc> its nice they have interent in  iceland
[23:58] <Osmodivs> everybody talks about dual-boot in the same HDD what about dual boot in separate HDD?
[23:58] <Osmodivs>  I cant find any info on that
[23:58] <hroi> compdoc, yeah thats an upside
[23:59] <adrian_1908> Osmodivs: You can just install to the other HDD, but you need to make sure during setup not to override the EFI partition of the first disk.