[01:51] <nbros652> I am running ubuntu-mate on a raspberry pi. Upon installation, I created a second user. For whatever reason, the screensaver does not work in the second user account. It works just fine in the account that was set up during installation. The second user is set up as an administrator. Any thoughts?
[01:57] <patrick__> help
[02:00] <patrick__> i installed this s on my pi because screen would not rotate, screen still breaking my neck sideways, is there any os i can run
[02:30] <patrick__> Found My answer , Thanks :-)
[02:31] <nbros652> @patrick did you manage using the config.txt file?
[02:31] <patrick__> yes
[02:31] <nbros652> I think that's pretty much where you would want to go using any OS on the RPi
[02:32] <patrick__> gui for too many years has spoiled me, shut my brain right off eh.
[06:41] <aniruddh> buntu mate?
[06:42] <aniruddh> Is there a docker image available for ubuntu mate?
[06:42] <aniruddh> I mean Docker package
[06:42] <aniruddh> I want to install docker on mate
[06:43] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/docker
[06:43] <alkisg> All ubuntu flavors share the same repositories
[06:43] <alkisg> So all programs are common
[06:53] <aniruddh> I am on mate 1.12.1
[06:54] <aniruddh> which package to choose?
[06:56] <alkisg> sudo apt install docker
[06:57] <alkisg> It's chosen automatically
[06:57] <alkisg> Or install it from synaptic
[06:57] <alkisg> !synaptic
[07:13] <CrazyTux> hello, can ubuntu mate 16.04 be upgraded to 17.10?
[07:13] <alkisg> CrazyTux: 16.04 goes to 16.10, then 17.04, then 17.10
[07:14] <alkisg> Or, 16.04 can go directly to 18.04 when it's released
[07:14] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:14] <santo> ciao
[07:14] <CrazyTux> btw, the update/upgrade policy of ubuntu mate lts is similar to the one followed by mint?
[07:15] <alkisg> CrazyTux: I haven't used mint, but I think it's using the same update/upgrade as all of debian distros
[07:31] <jrj_> alkisg: do you have a link to official docs about thise upgrade paths - and how they work
[07:34] <alkisg> jrj: non lts can upgrade only to its next version. LTS can upgrade to either next version or next LTS.
[07:34] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:35] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[07:35] <CrazyTux> https://www.howtogeek.com/176495/ubuntu-developers-say-linux-mint-is-insecure-are-they-right/
[07:35] <CrazyTux> guys, what
[07:35] <jrj> alkisg: Thanks
[07:35] <CrazyTux> what's your opinion on that?
[07:36] <alkisg> np
[07:36] <alkisg> CrazyTux: it's a known issue that linuxmint has insecure policies, yes
[07:36] <alkisg> It even doesn't respect the debian policy in packaging, modifying /etc...
[07:36] <alkisg> No ubuntu developer likes its methods
[07:36] <CrazyTux> so, linux mint is not advisable?
[07:36] <alkisg> Indeed
[07:36] <CrazyTux> from security perspective?
[07:36] <alkisg> Security and packaging and maintenance
[07:37] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:37] <alkisg> And cooperation... lots of reasons
[07:37] <jrj> CrazyTux: i have been where you are
[07:37] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:37] <CrazyTux> jrj, which other distros are you using now?
[07:37] <jrj> Question is - Why would you ever choose Mint over Vanilla Ubuntu ?
[07:37] <alkisg> If implemented properly, it would be an ubuntu "flavor" instead of trying to be a "distro", which it isn't, because it doesn't have its own repositories for everything
[07:38] <jrj> CrazyTux: at home im a Ubuntu Mate user. At work we use RHEL, but thats on servers
[07:38] <jrj> alkisg: but what is their "offer" for users
[07:38] <CrazyTux> jrj, don't know. I have used Mint before. Then I studied its update policy. Now I am using Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3.
[07:38] <alkisg> jrj: I'm not sure what you mean
[07:38] <jrj> Since the last couple of years Ubuntu native have been VERY new user friendly
[07:39] <jrj> You can install Cinnamon on Native Ubuntu
[07:39] <jrj> Then why use Mint ?
[07:39] <CrazyTux> I am just a non technical end user. I don't know the implications of Mint's update policy.
[07:39] <jrj> Not trying to start any flamewar  - i just dont understand their value proporsition
[07:39] <alkisg> jrj: you're asking me what mint offers? I don't know as I don't use it for all the aformentioned reasons :)
[07:40] <alkisg> Initially they offered mate and cinnamon
[07:40] <CrazyTux> I too am not using Mint.
[07:40] <alkisg> Now they're proper debian packages
[07:40] <alkisg> So I'm not sure what they're offering now...
[07:40] <CrazyTux> what is Ubuntu native?
[07:40] <jrj> CrazyTux: Ubuntu - any flavour
[07:40] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:41] <CrazyTux> how many DEs can one install over Ubuntu, without affecting its performance, stability and without creating any inconsistencies.
[07:41] <CrazyTux> ?
[07:41] <jrj> I was on Mint - but changed to Ubuntu when mate came round
[07:41] <jrj> CrazyTux: technically you can install all of them
[07:41] <CrazyTux> I have Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3 and have installed lubuntu DE on it.
[07:42] <CrazyTux> can I install Xubuntu Desktop also?
[07:42] <jrj> however - i would recommend doing some VM's to test them out - then choose the one you like and go with that
[07:43] <CrazyTux> btw, how is Opensuse Leap as compared to Ubuntu?
[07:44] <jrj> Suse - uses RPM as packaging
[07:45] <CrazyTux> yes. Is it stable and suitable for newbies?
[07:50] <jrj> CrazyTux: its stable enough for home users - but any distribution choice is a matter of personal taste
[07:51] <jrj> I recommend choose a few distros - test them out
[07:51] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:51] <jrj> You basically have 2 things to choose
[07:52] <CrazyTux> yes.
[07:52] <jrj> The distribution you like - based on security_profile, packaging tools, community ect.
[07:52] <jrj> And then the DE
[07:52] <CrazyTux> which is the most secure distro?
[07:52] <jrj> Most of the popular DE's are available on most of the Distroes
[07:53] <CrazyTux> and which packaging tools are better than others?
[07:53] <jrj> Also a matter of taste
[07:53] <jrj> There will be no 'one' correct answer
[07:54] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:54] <jrj> Every person you will ask have their own opinion
[07:54] <jrj> Just remember that most distros have most of the DE's as options, and most distroes let you use the same applications
[07:55] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:55] <CrazyTux> if I install Xubuntu DE or Lubuntu DE on Ubuntu Mate, would it be the same as installing Xubuntu/Lubuntu?
[07:56] <jrj> Yes
[07:56] <jrj> basically
[07:56] <CrazyTux> great.
[07:58] <CrazyTux> please tell me whether I can install SAP ERP on Ubuntu Mate. I know that it's not supported by SAP. Only RHEL, Oracle Linux and Suse linux are supported.
[07:58] <CrazyTux> I just want it to work for educational purposes. For a few months.
[07:59] <jrj> CrazyTux: its not supported, you CAN get it to work, but its just too much work
[07:59] <CrazyTux> ok
[07:59] <CrazyTux> can I somehow install Tally ERP 9 on Ubuntu?
[08:00] <jrj> CrazyTux: i would recommend setting up VirtualBox, install one of the supported Linux's in them and install SAP on top of that
[08:01] <CrazyTux> all of the supported distros are rpm based. Will Opensuse, Mageia or CentOS work?
[08:01] <jrj> Centos will work - as its is just a recompile of RHEL
[08:01] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:01] <jrj> Unless the installer specifically ask the OS if its RHEL
[08:02] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:02] <jrj> But this is what I do for all stuff i HomeLab
[08:02] <jrj> I have MQ, WebSphere Application Server, Oracle DB ect ect ect running on Centos
[08:03] <jrj> All officially supported on RHEL - and i have had no problems
[08:03] <CrazyTux> wow. great.
[08:03] <CrazyTux> CentOS is free, I suppose.
[08:03] <jrj> it ts
[08:03] <jrj> it is
[08:04] <CrazyTux> what is the cost of buying and maintaining RHEL?
[08:04] <CrazyTux> for desktops?
[08:05] <jrj> Prices are on their site - but you REALLY dont need it for a lab
[08:05] <jrj> And you really do not want to use RHEL as a desktop
[08:05] <CrazyTux> ok. I will try CentOS then.
[08:06] <jrj> Use Centos as a Server OS
[08:06] <CrazyTux> yes. I have Ubuntu Mate for my laptop.
[08:06] <jrj> ...not a desktop
[08:06] <CrazyTux> I use a laptop.
[08:07] <CrazyTux> I needed to install SAP ERP only for educational purposes?
[08:07] <CrazyTux> .
[08:07] <jrj> I recommend - stay with Ubuntu Mate as the main desktop OS. Install VirtualBox with Centos as guest OS for you homelab
[08:07] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:07] <CrazyTux> that's a good suggestion.
[08:08] <jrj> It works for me
[08:08] <CrazyTux> I hope I can get SAP ERP working on CentOS.
[08:08] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
[08:09] <jrj> If its supported on RHEL6 og RHEL7 - just get CENTOS6 or CENTOS7 - and it'll work
[08:09] <CrazyTux> ok
[08:10] <jrj> CENTOS6==RHEL6, CENTOS7==RHEL7
[08:10] <CrazyTux> great.
[08:13] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
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[13:12] <TaZeR> hey whats the name of the dock that comes bundled with ubuntu-mate?
[13:13] <TaZeR> plank?
[13:25] <ricotz> yes
[16:37] <schl> thanks
[21:24] <mate|daniel> Hello, anyone there?
[22:19] <gogabouga> hello guys, i have a problem and i cannot find any solution on google
[22:20] <gogabouga> i have 2 screens
[22:20] <gogabouga> and when i create a folder, the folder appears on secondary screen
[22:20] <gogabouga> i have to drag an drop it to primary
[22:20] <gogabouga> also when i save some stuff on desktop, it saves on secondary screen also
[22:21] <gogabouga> is there any sol about that?
[22:25] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: You have screens mirrored or extended setting?
[22:27] <gogabouga> extended ofc
[22:28] <gogabouga> the secondary is hdmi and primary is vga
[22:28] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: right click desktop and select 'Arrange desktop icons'
[22:28] <gogabouga> w8 to try this
[22:29] <gogabouga> i dont have that option
[22:30] <Sum1lson18> Do you have the 'keep aligned' checked?
[22:31] <gogabouga> yes
[22:34] <Sum1lson18> Do you have 'organize desktop by name'?
[22:34] <gogabouga> if i check this all my stuff moved on secondary screen
[22:36] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: Can you swap primary/secondary options or swap cables?
[22:39] <gogabouga> i cannot swap cables cause they are different, one hdmi and one vga, if i swap options i dont have primary the vga (bigger screen)
[22:39] <gogabouga> i will not have*
[22:40] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: Can you physically move the monitors?
[22:41] <gogabouga> i need as primary the vga screen cause its bigger, ofc i could do this but there is no space right on the desk ;p
[22:42] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: Primary is your left screen I guess?
[22:42] <gogabouga> no right screen
[22:43] <Sum1lson18> gogabouga: Left screen is secondary and is where the icons sit?
[22:44] <gogabouga> yeah if i drag an drop them
[22:44] <gogabouga> no no
[22:44] <gogabouga> w8
[22:44] <gogabouga> wait
[22:44] <gogabouga> left screen is primary , where th icons sit
[22:44] <gogabouga> but if i create new folder appeas on right(secondary screen)
[22:45] <Sum1lson18> In Screen Display setting drag the screen images to the same as the physical locations?
[22:45] <gogabouga> they appears exactly as physical location
[22:46] <gogabouga> can you please tell me a good search keywords?
[22:46] <gogabouga> because i have bad english
[22:47] <Sum1lson18> With 'kkep aligned' checked it should keep all the icons aligned, even with new ones added?
[22:47] <Sum1lson18> keep*
[22:48] <gogabouga> yes but the new icons on seconday screen
[22:48] <gogabouga> if i dont drag n drop them to primary
[22:50] <gogabouga> this is weird isn't it?
[22:51] <Sum1lson18> Just having a search for similar issues
[23:16] <y0sh> Sum1lson18: i also have this issue with pri being on HDMI and sec DVI