[06:05] <theblazehen> Hi superfly 
[06:06] <superfly> how's it going?
[07:02] <inetpro> goeiedag mense
[07:47] <chesedo> hi superfly theblazehen inetpro and others
[07:47] <theblazehen> Good and you superfly ? Hi chesedo 
[08:43] <Kilos> ai! another unhappy internet day
[08:43] <Kilos> morning everyone
[08:43] <Kilos> oh and inetpro 
[08:43] <Kilos> hehe
[09:04] <inetpro> uh... goeimore oom Kilos... al weer laat geslaap vandag?
[09:05] <Kilos> jy het?
[09:05] <Kilos> ek was al 5 uur op seun maar internet baie sleg
[09:05] <inetpro> haha, ek was lank reeds hier
[09:05] <Kilos> en ek was besig om n groot swapfile te maak
[09:06] <Kilos> my ram is te min en hulle se ssd moenine swap partition he nie
[09:07] <Kilos> nou het ek n 8g swapfile en moet nog my swap partisie delete
[09:07] <Kilos> en my thunderbird vat forever om oop te maak
[09:08] <inetpro> sorg dat jy jou ram effektief gebruik en nie swap gebruik nie
[09:08] <Kilos> baie stadig geword, al maak ek al die deleted skoon
[09:08] <Kilos> 4g ram te min
[09:08] <inetpro> yep, 4GB is ongelukkig te min deesdae, veral as jy Opera gebruik
[09:08] <Kilos> ek was op 3.66 busy nou die dag en lappie het baie stadig begin loop hehe
[09:09] <Kilos> lol ek sal begin saar vir n 8g ram card
[09:09] <Kilos> spaar
[09:09] <inetpro> Opera en Chromium gebruik baie RAM
[09:10] <inetpro> Opera is gebou op Chromium
[09:10] <Kilos> ja ek sien dit met opera, 
[09:10] <Kilos> aha
[09:10] <inetpro> ek wag vir die nuwe Firefox, hulle sê hy gaan weer blitsig wees
[09:11] <Kilos> en my internet kry piengs tot by 8000 p/s
[09:11] <Kilos> so dis weer baklei met telkom
[09:12] <Kilos> hulle het nou 3 keer n tech uit gestuur maar as hy hier kom dan speedtest als by 7g/s
[09:12] <Kilos> volgende dag weer onder 500k/s
[09:13] <Kilos> nuwe za standaarde
[11:02] <chesedo> Kilos-: what is "p/s"?
[11:02] <Kilos-> per second
[11:02] <Kilos-> sorry forgot how to show that
[11:02] <Kilos-> hi chesedo 
[11:03] <Kilos-> mb/s
[11:03] <Kilos-> and kb/s i think
[11:04] <Kilos-> head goes stupid if i dont do things all the time
[11:43] <inetpro> Kilos-: mbps, mBps, kbps of kBps
[11:44] <Kilos-> danke mein herr
[11:46] <inetpro> oja en gbps of gBps deesdae ook
[11:47] <inetpro> maar daai is waarvan ek steeds net kan droom
[11:48] <Kilos-> lol
[12:30]  * chesedo almost though it was pings / second
[12:30] <chesedo> s/though/thought/
[13:52] <inetpro> Firefox Quantum - New. Fast. Fierce. 
[13:52] <inetpro> Apparently launching today https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/quantum/
[13:52] <inetpro> 2x faster and uses 30% less memory than Chrome
[13:52] <inetpro> let's hope that will be true
[13:53] <inetpro> wb cocooncrash
[14:03] <inetpro> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox-quantum
[14:10] <bushtech> has anybody here tried it?
[15:07] <superfly> hi
[15:09] <superfly> bushtech: not yet, I'm expecting it to land in Debian unstable in the next few days
[15:10] <bushtech> just installed it on my W10 lappy
[15:11] <bushtech> does seem faster
[15:13] <superfly> I've always used Firefox, always preferred it over Chrome, and in my experience it was always less of a memory hog than Chrome
[15:25] <superfly> I just downloaded FF 57, and it DOES seem zippier
[15:25] <superfly> although I'm not a fan of the dark theme as much as I'd hoped
[15:34] <bushtech> Yeah, ditto
[15:34] <bushtech> although I see theres a gazillion ways to customise it so sure can change
[16:15] <MaNI> faster (at which specific benchmark) and slight memory reductions are no longer compelling enough reasons IMO
[16:15] <MaNI> nobody who has switched to chrome is going to switch back just because firefox is temporarily slightly faster
[16:16] <MaNI> they need to go back to doing their own thing UI wise and otherwise innovating in usability, I stopped specifically -liking- firefox (though I still use both it and chrome) when they became obsessed with trying to make themselves identical to chrome
[16:31] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[16:32] <Kilos> oh inetprswapfile has helped for the min ramo making an 8g 
[16:32] <Kilos> eish
[16:32] <Kilos> inetpro sort that
[16:32] <Kilos> stupid touchpad
[16:35] <superfly> MaNI: I've used both extensively, and I still prefer Firefox. But I agree with you about people not using it just because it's faster.
[17:20] <pavlushka> o/
[18:10] <MaNI> I use both, different set of tabs in each :)
[18:11] <MaNI> honestly I don't really like either at this point, I want really hard to like firefox, but they IMO really lost the plot quite a while back and haven't really got it back. I hope that changes soon
[18:28] <inetpro> MaNI: they lost the plot in what way?
[18:30] <inetpro> browsers have certainly become way too bulky these days 
[18:32] <MaNI> I think they got too much money to be honest, and then the managers and "UX designers" and "marketers" took over from the programmers. They started putting out releases too frequently often ones that broke things, they switched to some insane version scheme (firefox 56?) simply because "marketing" and so forth.
[18:33] <MaNI> Then they became obsessed that chrome was growing and going to take all their market share, so they started copying chrome obsessively, which ironically just meant they were a second rate chrome, which just chased even more people too chrome
[18:34] <inetpro> interesting take, and sounds about right
[18:34] <MaNI> they've forgotten their roots IMO
[18:35] <MaNI> anyway I still don't particularly like chrome, so I still use both, but yeah it's been a long time since I can claim I actually 'like' firefox specifically
[18:36] <inetpro> I still prefer Firefox but also use Chrome as well
[18:38] <MaNI> Hopefully the new plugin API that breaks compatibility, will prove worthwhile by being stable for a long time and some of the plugin developers that have left will return, I've seen a lot of whining about broken plugins lately
[18:39] <inetpro> one thing that has improved a huge lot for both browsers is the debugging side of things
[18:40] <MaNI> Was reading the other day that firebug was on the way out, I remember when firebug was one of the main reasons to use firefox because nothing else came close
[18:40] <MaNI> now they all have an okay "developer tools"
[18:41] <inetpro> but so many options it actually becomes confusing if you don't work with it every day
[18:41] <MaNI> Though apparently firefox developer tools still lacks some aspects of firebug - I've not personally done any web dev in quite a while so not paying overly close attention to that.
[18:43] <inetpro> beginners would do well if they started by learning to use the developer tools
[18:48] <MaNI> still waiting to see whether either firefox or chrome will copy the "free VPN" for incognito mode thing from opera, surprised none of them have yet, I find it quite handy
[18:49] <MaNI> I mean obviously it's no good for real sensitive stuff, but it's great for bypassing simple geo-blocks and whatnot
[18:58] <inetpro> are there no addons for that?
[19:02] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[19:13] <jan_> Good evening, how are all the guys? Looks like I have an imposter - a new Langjan? 
[19:23] <jan_> Or I have joined twice...lol!
[19:24] <Langjan> Hi all, keeping well? 
[19:49] <bushtech> ja boet