 Hello, email to users gathered a volunteer to help with case studies, article writing and social media YaY!
 Great. I really needs to follow up on looking for Kubuntu usage on some stuff as *I* promised, but packaging keeps distracting me! :P
 YouTube efforts are working 😁 subscribers and views going up good job.
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 I'll onboard Stefan, and then introduce you to him, hopefully he can work with you @acheronuk
 Back later got to get ready for work.
 Ok. That sounds good
 475 subs on YouTube
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[15:10] <clivejo> be nice to make a few short tutorials
 I'm -1 on shipping Snaps by default.
 valorie: That's my opinion on your email.
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk Opinions on that email?
[20:32] <valorie> I knew you would be
[20:32] <valorie> I thought it was weird that it came to me and harald
[20:32] <valorie> personally
[20:32] <valorie> that makes me uncomfortable, actually
 I'm +1 btw
 Because it would require a rework of our tooling and Santa hasn't been around ever since I told him the cold hard truth that his baby KDE 4 would be gone soon.
[20:33] <valorie> ?
 A *complete* rework at that.
 Snaps could be useful
[20:33] <valorie> you are trying to drive santa away?
 @ahoneybun, But they aren't in our case.
 he drives himself sometimes tho
 @valorie, No, he did it to himself.
 it's not anyone's fault really
[20:35] <valorie> my issue is that we aren't making the snaps
 In my honest opinion, shipping Snaps by default makes Kubuntu useless in a world of KDE Neon
[20:35] <valorie> however, neon IS
 That's my point
[20:35] <valorie> therefore we can offer them
 we should offer them but not just ship snap KDE software
[20:35] <valorie> i would not like to ship them by default
[20:35] <valorie> but to offer them -- yes
 Me neither
 As a matter of fact, Lubuntu doesn't even ship snapd by default any more.
[20:36] <valorie> otoh, we might end up alone in Ubuntu by shipping Real Software
[20:36] <valorie> but anyway, this disussion should be on the list, not here
 That's not correct.