[07:57] Hello, email to users gathered a volunteer to help with case studies, article writing and social media YaY! [07:59] Great. I really needs to follow up on looking for Kubuntu usage on some stuff as *I* promised, but packaging keeps distracting me! :P [08:01] YouTube efforts are working 😁 subscribers and views going up good job. [08:01] 👍 [08:02] I'll onboard Stefan, and then introduce you to him, hopefully he can work with you @acheronuk [08:02] Back later got to get ready for work. [08:02] Ok. That sounds good [15:05] 475 subs on YouTube [15:05] Good [15:10] be nice to make a few short tutorials [15:20] wxl23 was removed by: wxl23 [20:29] I'm -1 on shipping Snaps by default. [20:31] valorie: That's my opinion on your email. [20:32] @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk Opinions on that email? [20:32] I knew you would be [20:32] I thought it was weird that it came to me and harald [20:32] personally [20:32] that makes me uncomfortable, actually [20:32] I'm +1 btw [20:33] Because it would require a rework of our tooling and Santa hasn't been around ever since I told him the cold hard truth that his baby KDE 4 would be gone soon. [20:33] ? [20:33] A *complete* rework at that. [20:33] Snaps could be useful [20:33] you are trying to drive santa away? [20:33] @ahoneybun, But they aren't in our case. [20:33] he drives himself sometimes tho [20:34] @valorie, No, he did it to himself. [20:34] it's not anyone's fault really [20:35] my issue is that we aren't making the snaps [20:35] In my honest opinion, shipping Snaps by default makes Kubuntu useless in a world of KDE Neon [20:35] however, neon IS [20:35] That's my point [20:35] therefore we can offer them [20:35] we should offer them but not just ship snap KDE software [20:35] i would not like to ship them by default [20:35] but to offer them -- yes [20:35] Me neither [20:36] As a matter of fact, Lubuntu doesn't even ship snapd by default any more. [20:36] otoh, we might end up alone in Ubuntu by shipping Real Software [20:36] but anyway, this disussion should be on the list, not here [20:36] That's not correct.