[15:57] tsimonq2 RedWolf[m] wxl et al. https://kubuntu.org/event/collaboration-initiatives/?instance_id=3 [15:57] aw you like us! you really really like us! [15:57] do you want to colaborate with us?! 😍 [15:58] HE LOVES US! [15:58] <· [15:58] <3 [15:58] ._____. [15:58] we have common ground on several things now (or will) [15:58] no THEY love us!!! [15:59] well, I colaborated with Kylin and MATE before, and it was amazing. I love to share things with our flavour bros [15:59] * genii somehow wandered into a KDE wuvfest [15:59] s/bros/pals/ [15:59] please come along to that if you want :) [15:59] genii: actually it's a Qt love fest :) [15:59] FEST!!! YESSSS! *brings the beer* [15:59] Hehe [16:00] why doesn't Qt have an anthromorphic animal mascot yet? [16:00] * acheronuk wonders what can of worms he just opened [16:00] :) [16:00] wxl: I forgot I was in #lubuntu-devel, thought for a second I was posting in #kubuntu-devel :D [16:01] hahahahah [16:01] yeah even crazier :) [16:01] ..also acheronuk is in both too [16:02] there a chance I won't be able to make all of that meeting.... [16:03] but little point if we (Kubuntu) just chat amongst ourselves [16:22] I think I'll go [17:05] here's a good suggestion for what to do with scrot: have the PrintScreen key dump it into ~/Pictures. also, scrot apparently has no upstream website. or maybe it does. and it looks like the hot key is broken (i'm not running openbox, so someone please confirm) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-tweaks/+bug/1732871 [17:05] Launchpad bug 1732871 in Lubuntu-Tweaks "Ship with screen shot application" [Undecided, New] [17:06] That app is more than experimental [17:33] So it's apparently OK for us to try out Calamares 😁 [17:33] State your objections to doing this in Lubuntu Next or I'll go through with it in ~ 4 hours [17:33] (it's always reversible) [17:34] @tsimonq2, Aye [17:34] @tsimonq2, Meaning, using it by default instead of Ubiquity [17:34] Damn. I'll need to do new slideshows. [17:34] I hate you. [17:34] 🙃 [17:35] We're in the prealpha stages so it wouldn't hurt to give it a try [17:35] @VikingRedwolf, I'll PayPal you lunch costs if you want :P [17:36] I want beer! [17:36] Guinness! [17:36] .__. [17:36] A LOT [17:37] @tsimonq2, KDE Neon uses it by default and it would be much easier than messing with the Ubiquity frontend [17:38] I'll get the templates and study it. [17:39] OK. [17:43] I request a Lubuntu council meeting. WE NEED TO TALK 😐 [17:44] @VikingRedwolf, About? :) [17:44] Things [17:44] JulienLavergnegi: Around at all? :) [17:45] I know wxl is around kinda [17:46] I'm here what's up? [17:47] @VikingRedwolf needs to talk apparently [17:47] @VikingRedwolf Related to Calamares? [17:48] Yes. And browsers. And some default apps. I need Julien to attend to also. [17:49] And remember I'm preparing a HUGE artwork modification. [17:49] Well we're overdue for a meeting anyways [17:49] I can send a Doodle when I get home unless you feel inclined [17:49] What's a doodle? [17:50] Yeah Doodle it [17:50] @VikingRedwolf, Doodle Poll, for times [17:50] I'll try to be dressed for that meeting. [17:51] .___. [18:56] O.o [20:30] So I'm home now... trying out Calamares in a VM with a Lubuntu Next ISO [20:31] If everything works as intended, I'll need a new package in the archive, but otherwise we should be good. [20:32] nice [20:32] wait [20:32] we'd need a settings package you mean? [20:32] not calamares [20:32] Yeah. [20:32] calamares is already in there. [20:32] Neon has one. [20:33] I'm a MOTU so that should be no problem given that packages like this already exist. [20:36] you could use every calamares within the last few month - but one have to create the needed glue and branding package [20:37] Right [20:38] Neon has one that I can use as a template [20:39] * agaida has written his glue and branding from the scratch - esp the glue [20:39] agaida: Could you throw me the link to your packaging real quick? [20:40] https://git.siduction.org/explore/repos?q=calamares&tab= [20:40] Thanks. [20:43] in the settings thing you will see what i meant - it is highly specific to ffl-based distributions, so it might work partly with aptosid and fully with siduction [20:44] Yeah [20:44] mostly a translation of rules from our old ffl-based installer [20:44] agaida: Hm, so what settings do I have to tweak to make the installer see that I *do* have enough space to install? :P [20:45] good question - that should be done in the plain calamares modules [20:47] https://git.siduction.org/extra/calamares-settings-siduction/src/master/calamares/settings.conf [20:48] it's the partition thing in section exec [20:48] :) - done [20:48] Oh, thanks. [20:49] -partition is the call of pm-core [20:49] mount will do the needed mounts [20:50] in our case fllmount will mount the live system to /tmp/$foo [20:50] RIght [20:50] Thanks [20:50] * tsimonq2 has to learn sometime :) [20:50] unpackfs is a misnomer - unpackfs does the whole installation (rsync) thing [20:52] Ah right [20:52] all the magic after is to make a live system a fully workling intallation, rewrite some pathes, configurations and so on - and thats the time consuming part, one should know his system, that would help [20:53] anyways - after configuring calamares one knows his system and the internals very well [20:53] even places one didn't know that they exist [20:53] Cool [20:54] Once I can confirm this is working, I'll start work on a calamares-settings-ubuntu package [20:54] and the best ist - one can hack the glue directly in the live system [20:54] Right [20:54] I think this is a really cool thing :) [20:54] timeconsuming but funny [20:55] it is really cool [20:55] ok, with my findings i'm on pos 9 of contributors i think :P - but mostly pep8 crap [20:57] the only thing i would suggest if you use the debian package - patch it and make the libs private [20:57] less annoying warnings, no symbols and such things [20:58] Why would I need symbols? :P [20:58] you will - calamares provides three libs [20:58] and someone could notice that :P [20:59] thats why i placed them outside of the common path as private libs [20:59] no lintian whining, no need to split them out for no reason etc [20:59] That's also what Neon did. [20:59] :) [20:59] :) [21:01] i asked politely to upstream this - but i thing the very most guys and the girl really don't understand the reasons :P [21:01] think even [21:02] agaida: Upstream what? It's just installing some files :P [21:02] erm - ... [21:03] That's how it's intended, no/ [21:03] Maybe I'm misunderstanding this. [21:03] there is a lot of magic [21:03] one could do the main part with few simple mounts and rsync [21:04] the magic is the interface, the partition handling - the visual part at all [21:05] second part is the magic one can do in the just copied/"installed" system [21:06] and it is worth to think a few hours about and tinker a little bit - in my case i recognise the full potential after i implemented 3/4 of the needed things [21:09] just a hint: do as much as you can with shell scripts in the target system - just call these scripts via the python interface - it is reliable and will speed up the development [21:10] could cut down the dev time to 3-4 days for the scripts with testing [21:13] Right [23:08] @VikingRedwolf So all I'd need from you irt slideshows for Calamares is just some PMGs [23:08] *PNGs [23:08] only? [23:08] Hrm, let me check, but that's how Neon does it [23:09] (Photo, 1366x768) https://i.imgur.com/QfFbXHM.jpg [23:09] Oh, no, QML or PNGs