[15:57] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 RedWolf[m] wxl et al. https://kubuntu.org/event/collaboration-initiatives/?instance_id=3
[15:57] <wxl> aw you like us! you really really like us!
 do you want to colaborate with us?! 😍
 HE LOVES US!
 <·
 <3
 ._____.
[15:58] <acheronuk> we have common ground on several things now (or will)
[15:58] <wxl> no THEY love us!!!
 well, I colaborated with Kylin and MATE before, and it was amazing. I love to share things with our flavour bros
[15:59]  * genii somehow wandered into a KDE wuvfest
[15:59] <wxl> s/bros/pals/
[15:59] <acheronuk> please come along to that if you want :)
[15:59] <wxl> genii: actually it's a Qt love fest :)
 FEST!!! YESSSS!   *brings the beer*
[15:59] <genii> Hehe
[16:00] <wxl> why doesn't Qt have an anthromorphic animal mascot yet?
[16:00]  * acheronuk wonders what can of worms he just opened
 :)
[16:00] <genii> wxl: I forgot I was in #lubuntu-devel, thought for a second I was posting in #kubuntu-devel :D
[16:01] <wxl> hahahahah
[16:01] <wxl> yeah even crazier :)
[16:01] <genii> ..also acheronuk is in both too
[16:02] <acheronuk> there a chance I won't be able to make all of that meeting....
[16:03] <acheronuk> but little point if we (Kubuntu) just chat amongst ourselves
 I think I'll go
[17:05] <wxl> here's a good suggestion for what to do with scrot: have the PrintScreen key dump it into ~/Pictures. also, scrot apparently has no upstream website. or maybe it does. and it looks like the hot key is broken (i'm not running openbox, so someone please confirm) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-tweaks/+bug/1732871
 That app is more than experimental
 So it's apparently OK for us to try out Calamares 😁
 State your objections to doing this in Lubuntu Next or I'll go through with it in ~ 4 hours
 (it's always reversible)
 @tsimonq2, Aye
 @tsimonq2, Meaning, using it by default instead of Ubiquity
 Damn. I'll need to do new slideshows.
 I hate you.
 🙃
 We're in the prealpha stages so it wouldn't hurt to give it a try
 @VikingRedwolf, I'll PayPal you lunch costs if you want :P
 I want beer!
 Guinness!
 .__.
 A LOT
 @tsimonq2, KDE Neon uses it by default and it would be much easier than messing with the Ubiquity frontend
 I'll get the templates and study it.
 OK.
 I request a Lubuntu council meeting. WE NEED TO TALK 😐
 @VikingRedwolf, About? :)
 Things
 JulienLavergnegi: Around at all? :)
 I know wxl is around kinda
[17:46] <wxl[m]> I'm here what's up?
 @VikingRedwolf needs to talk apparently
 @VikingRedwolf Related to Calamares?
 Yes. And browsers. And some default apps. I need Julien to attend to also.
 And remember I'm preparing a HUGE artwork modification.
 Well we're overdue for a meeting anyways
 I can send a Doodle when I get home unless you feel inclined
 What's a doodle?
[17:50] <wxl[m]> Yeah Doodle it
 @VikingRedwolf, Doodle Poll, for times
 I'll try to be dressed for that meeting.
 .___.
[18:56] <RedWolf[m]> O.o
[20:30] <tsimonq2> So I'm home now... trying out Calamares in a VM with a Lubuntu Next ISO
[20:31] <tsimonq2> If everything works as intended, I'll need a new package in the archive, but otherwise we should be good.
[20:32] <wxl> nice
[20:32] <wxl> wait
[20:32] <wxl> we'd need a settings package you mean?
[20:32] <wxl> not calamares
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> calamares is already in there.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Neon has one.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> I'm a MOTU so that should be no problem given that packages like this already exist.
[20:36] <agaida> you could use every calamares within the last few month - but one have to create the needed glue and branding package
[20:37] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Neon has one that I can use as a template
[20:39]  * agaida has written his glue and branding from the scratch - esp the glue
[20:39] <tsimonq2> agaida: Could you throw me the link to your packaging real quick?
[20:40] <agaida> https://git.siduction.org/explore/repos?q=calamares&tab=
[20:40] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[20:43] <agaida> in the settings thing you will see what i meant - it is highly specific to ffl-based distributions, so it might work partly with aptosid and fully with siduction
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[20:44] <agaida> mostly a translation of rules from our old ffl-based installer
[20:44] <tsimonq2> agaida: Hm, so what settings do I have to tweak to make the installer see that I *do* have enough space to install? :P
[20:45] <agaida> good question - that should be done in the plain calamares modules
[20:47] <agaida> https://git.siduction.org/extra/calamares-settings-siduction/src/master/calamares/settings.conf
[20:48] <agaida> it's the partition thing in section exec
[20:48] <agaida> :) - done
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Oh, thanks.
[20:49] <agaida> -partition is the call of pm-core
[20:49] <agaida> mount will do the needed mounts
[20:50] <agaida> in our case fllmount will mount the live system to /tmp/$foo
[20:50] <tsimonq2> RIght
[20:50] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[20:50]  * tsimonq2 has to learn sometime :)
[20:50] <agaida> unpackfs is a misnomer - unpackfs does the whole installation (rsync) thing
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Ah right
[20:52] <agaida> all the magic after is to make a live system a fully workling intallation, rewrite some pathes, configurations and so on - and thats the time consuming part, one should know his system, that would help
[20:53] <agaida> anyways - after configuring calamares one knows his system and the internals very well
[20:53] <agaida> even places one didn't know that they exist
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Cool
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Once I can confirm this is working, I'll start work on a calamares-settings-ubuntu package
[20:54] <agaida> and the best ist - one can hack the glue directly in the live system
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Right
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I think this is a really cool thing :)
[20:54] <agaida> timeconsuming but funny
[20:55] <agaida> it is really cool
[20:55] <agaida> ok, with my findings i'm on pos 9 of contributors i think :P - but mostly pep8 crap
[20:57] <agaida> the only thing i would suggest if you use the debian package - patch it and make the libs private
[20:57] <agaida> less annoying warnings, no symbols and such things
[20:58] <tsimonq2> Why would I need symbols? :P
[20:58] <agaida> you will - calamares provides three libs
[20:58] <agaida> and someone could notice that :P
[20:59] <agaida> thats why i placed them outside of the common path as private libs
[20:59] <agaida> no lintian whining, no need to split them out for no reason etc
[20:59] <tsimonq2> That's also what Neon did.
[20:59] <agaida> :)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:01] <agaida> i asked politely to upstream this - but i thing the very most guys and the girl really don't understand the reasons :P
[21:01] <agaida> think even
[21:02] <tsimonq2> agaida: Upstream what? It's just installing some files :P
[21:02] <agaida> erm - ...
[21:03] <tsimonq2> That's how it's intended, no/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Maybe I'm misunderstanding this.
[21:03] <agaida> there is a lot of magic
[21:03] <agaida> one could do the main part with few simple mounts and rsync
[21:04] <agaida> the magic is the interface, the partition handling - the visual part at all
[21:05] <agaida> second part is the magic one can do in the just copied/"installed" system
[21:06] <agaida> and it is worth to think a few hours about and tinker a little bit - in my case i recognise the full potential after i implemented 3/4 of the needed things
[21:09] <agaida> just a hint: do as much as you can with shell scripts in the target system - just call these scripts via the python interface - it is reliable and will speed up the development
[21:10] <agaida> could cut down the dev time to 3-4 days for the scripts with testing
[21:13] <tsimonq2> Right
 @VikingRedwolf So all I'd need from you irt slideshows for Calamares is just some PMGs
 *PNGs
 only?
 Hrm, let me check, but that's how Neon does it
 (Photo, 1366x768) https://i.imgur.com/QfFbXHM.jpg
 Oh, no, QML or PNGs