[00:00] <nacc> presumably 17.10 is calling gnome-session-quit --power-off, and can be tweaked somehow to pass --no-prompt
[00:00] <nacc> ah but --no-prompt only works with --logout
[00:00] <nacc> i'm not sure there is a real good reason to disable the prompt, tbh
[00:00] <nacc> for logout, i can see, but for shutdown, you'
[00:00] <nacc> are affecting all users
[00:17] <Anticom> Hi. Is WildGuppy still a thing? I'm looking for a tool to adjust my screen brightnes automatically. The first one I've found was WildGuppy, however looking at the ppa the last update is ages ago ( https://launchpad.net/~fantasyleague0629/+archive/ubuntu/wildguppy )
[00:19] <nacc> Anticom: https://github.com/billyboar/autobrightness last updated 2015?
[00:19] <nacc> Anticom: i'd guess it's defunct
[00:20] <nacc> Anticom: some googling (and refining the search by date) shows: http://ronmevissen.com/autobrightness
[00:21] <nacc> Anticom: but regardless, not ubuntu with the ppa or the above :)
[00:22] <nacc> Anticom: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-autobrightness.html hrm
[00:25] <Anticom> nacc: hm, don't have that option. Afaik my laptop has an ambient light sensor so it should be there.
[00:25] <Anticom> Any way to check for availability of that sensor in cli etc.?
[00:25] <nacc> Anticom: are you on 17.10?
[00:25] <Anticom> nacc: 16.04
[00:25] <nacc> Anticom: ah that link was for 17.10
[00:25] <Anticom> Waiting for the next LTS
[00:25] <Anticom> ah okay
[00:25] <Anticom> Any way to maybe backport it?
[00:27] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/display-dimscreen.html
[00:27] <nacc> would imply the setting does not exist in 16.04
[00:27] <nacc> Anticom: unlikely, it's presumably a gnome thing
[00:27] <Mehrzad> Hi
[00:27] <Mehrzad> I'm stuckbehind ubuntu 17.04 login screen
[00:28] <Mehrzad> Keyboard or mouse don't work
[00:28] <Anticom> Mehrzad: Tried changing to another tty and looking at the logs from xorg?
[00:28] <Anticom> Oh
[00:29] <Mehrzad> According to this page, the xserver files don't get updated during the update. But I connat do any updates in the recovery mode either
[00:30] <solidfox> hello
[00:30] <solidfox> yes
[00:30] <solidfox> the audio is good in ubuntu, but not suse, does anyone know the difference?
[00:31] <Mehrzad> When Itry to load the recovery mode with networking enabled i get this error: grep /etc/resolv.conf no such file or directory
[00:31] <nacc> solidfox: there are many differences between the two.
[00:32] <solidfox> nacc: interesting. would you mind talking about them a little
[00:33] <nacc> solidfox: it's not really topical for this channel. I'm sure you can google for the differences between ubuntu and suse. They are completely different operating systems.
[00:33] <Mehrzad> Anticom: I don't know what a tty is :\
[00:34] <Anticom> Mehrzad: https://askubuntu.com/a/66198/382883
[00:34] <solidfox> I guess I rused into a new os too quickly. everything else seemed so good
[00:34] <solidfox> I didn't think to play some music
[00:34] <nacc> solidfox: if you have a problem with suse, you should ask suse for support
[00:35] <solidfox> nacc: they helped me.
[00:35] <nacc> solidfox: ... so you don't have any issue?
[00:35] <solidfox> nacc: well, before they helped me I had no audio
[00:35] <Anticom> solidfox: But this still isn't #suse
[00:35] <nacc> solidfox: right, not an ubuntu issue.
[00:35] <solidfox> mhm
[00:35] <nacc> solidfox: so please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere
[00:36] <solidfox> yeah you're right. sorry
[00:36] <Anticom> solidfox: #friendly-coders also is a good one
[00:37] <Mehrzad> Anticom: So do I change the tty on the login screen?
[00:38] <Anticom> Mehrzad: you just change to a tty other than 7 (where xorg is running on)
[00:38] <Anticom> Mehrzad: But if neither keyboard nor mouse are working you can't change to another tty
[00:39] <Mehrzad> Ah okat Anticom
[00:39] <Mehrzad> *okay
[00:40] <Mehrzad> I'll give it another try and will be back
[00:41] <Bashing-om> Mehrzad: IOMMT setting in bios ? is it eneabled ?
[00:41] <Bashing-om> IOMMU*
[00:42] <CashDash123> is there a ppa for wgetpaste?
[00:47] <Mathisen> CashDash123, what do you need it for ?
[00:53] <solidfox> ubuntu question: what is the latest kernel available for ubuntu LTS
[00:54] <Mehrzad> Okay, I'm back. Still can't get the keyboard and mouse get to work
[00:55] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial | solidfox
[00:56] <nacc> there is also hwe, though
[00:57] <nacc> !hwe | solidfox
[00:57] <nacc> (currently at 4.10 for hwe and 4.13 for hwe-edge, i believe)
[00:58] <Mehrzad> This is the errors that I get during installing xserver-xorg in recovery mode https://postimg.org/image/8o07tai6j/
[01:00] <Bashing-om> neunon: Did you select " enable networking" in the recovery menu also ?
[01:00] <Anticom> Mehrzad: Just guessing but looks as if you are simply offline
[01:00] <Bashing-om> Mehrzad: ^^ sorry fat fingers neunon .
[01:01] <Mehrzad> Well
[01:02] <Mehrzad> How can I get online? When I try to get online using laptop wifi it says /et/cresolv.conf is not found, so I tried cellphone tethering
[01:03] <Anticom> Did you even read Bashing-om's suggestion?
[01:04] <nacc> Mehrzad: if i had to guess, /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink and possibly to something not mounted?
[01:06] <Mehrzad> nacc: I don't know. It must be one of ubuntu's own files
[01:08] <Mehrzad> So, even it's a symlink, how can i mount the original file?
[01:16] <nacc> Mehrzad: first, look if it is
[01:16] <nacc> Mehrzad: see where it is trying to link to
[01:16] <nacc> Mehrzad: does the file exist in the first place
[01:16] <Mehrzad> using what commands nacc ?
[01:26] <Romantic> I'm looking for the package that provides glib.h
[01:26] <kostkon> !find glib.h
[01:27] <kostkon> meh
[01:30] <nacc> Mehrzad: ls -ahl ?
[01:30] <nacc> Romantic: libglib2.0-dev or so
[01:30] <nacc> Romantic: dpkg -S or apt-file search to find such
[01:31] <Bashing-om> Romantic: libglib2.0-dev ?? : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=glib.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any .
[01:35] <Mehrzad> thanks, be right back
[01:55] <Mehrzad> Okay, I'm back
[01:56] <Mehrzad> nacc: this is the result i got from etc/resolv.conf https://postimg.org/image/59i1cteyj/
[01:59] <nacc> Mehrzad: right, so resolvconf probably doesn't run in the recovery shell
[01:59] <nacc> Mehrzad: you can temporarily edit /etc/resolv.conf and put the right values in
[01:59] <nacc> Mehrzad: just make sure to symlink it back before rebooting
[02:00] <Mehrzad> right values? would "nameserver 8.8.8.8" be enough?
[02:04] <Mehrzad> nacc: or can i simply mount the source folder?
[02:08] <Mehrzad> nacc: okay, i'm going to try some things. Will be back. thanks
[02:08] <sirru5h> Hello Everyone
[02:10] <kostkon> sirru5h, hi
[02:11] <sirru5h> Looks quite tonight.
[02:12] <kostkon> sirru5h, i guess it does
[02:14] <sirru5h> Have you tried out firefox 57.0 ?  I like it more stable than 56.0, I had a ton of issues with that one.
[02:14] <kostkon> sirru5h, most of the people here got the update i reckon. they are already using it
[02:15] <kostkon> sirru5h, it looks and behaves better
[02:16] <sirru5h> It certainly does, on 56 I had issues where it just kept crashing and crashing finally I uninstalled and re-installed then it behaved better
[02:26] <bryanfrommacau> Hi
[02:27] <bryanfrommacau> Is there software included on the ubuntu server installation which isn't included on desktop?
[02:28] <nacc> bryanfrommacau: define 'included'
[02:28] <nacc> bryanfrommacau: installed by default: yes; available: no.
[02:29] <bryanfrommacau> ok
[02:30] <bryanfrommacau> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old laptop that I have, but I only have 700mb CDs....What is the best way to install?
[02:31] <bryanfrommacau> I had trouble with the network installation
[02:33] <kostkon> bryanfrommacau, how old is it
[02:34] <bryanfrommacau> I don't know exactly - but it has windows xp
[02:34] <bryanfrommacau> The casing says windows vista, but someone installed xp on it
[02:34] <bryanfrommacau> I haven't been able to boot from usb
[02:35] <kostkon> bryanfrommacau, if it's a vista era laptop it should be able to boot from usb sticks
[02:36] <kostkon> bryanfrommacau, in some cases you need to enter the bios to select the device where you want to boot from
[02:46] <bryanfrommacau> It says that it can boot from the usb
[02:46] <bryanfrommacau> but despite troubleshooting, it doesn't work, so I've given up on that
[02:47] <bryanfrommacau> I changed all the bios settings I could find, and tried formatting the usb in different ways
[02:47] <sirru5h> What model laptop is this btw?
[02:47] <Mehrzad> Okay, I'm back
[02:47] <Mehrzad> nacc: no luck creating a resolv.conf file
[02:53] <hideme> Can anyone tell me how to down-grade Firefox (v57 auto installed) in Ubutnu 16.04 LTS?
[02:55] <kostkon> bryanfrommacau, the Lubuntu alternate iso can fit on a cd http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.3/release/
[02:57] <sirru5h> hideme, https://askubuntu.com/questions/977138/how-to-downgrade-firefox-57-to-56
[02:57] <hideme> sirru5h, Just found that one now.  :)
[02:57] <hideme> thank you.
[02:58] <kostkon> hideme, not recommended to go back to 56 but to use 52ESR instead
[02:58] <sirru5h> haha great minds think a like I guess :)
[02:58] <hideme> sirru5h, I just need to recover my Tab Groups.   :(
[02:58] <kostkon> hideme, because 56 is already full of known vulnerabilities that have been fixed in 57
[02:59] <kostkon> hideme, and 52ESR that is
[02:59] <sirru5h> hideme, I had a ton of trouble with 56 when I first upgraded from 17.04 to 17.10
[03:00] <hideme> kostkon, what...?  Are you suggesting 52ERS?
[03:01] <hideme> I just want to rollback to 56, bookmark all my tabs and then update to 57 and wait for Tab Group support.
[03:02] <kostkon> hideme, oh, i thought you wanted to downgrade to keep using that extension
[03:02] <luxio> Is there a way to configure GNOME so that when you click on the icon of a window in the toolbar that's already open, it minimizes the window? It's a habit I have from Windows.
[03:02] <luxio> s/toolbar/taskbar
[03:03] <hideme> kostkon, well...  kinda.  I need to recover the tabs to bookmark them.
[03:04] <kostkon> hideme, ok, go for it
[03:05] <sirru5h> Alright cya everyone you all have a good night
[03:10] <hideme> Fixed.  I'm back on v56 with Tab Groups and all my content.
[03:11] <hideme> Was swearing like a sailor when I got home and it updated before I could hold it back.
[03:11] <hideme> Thanks to all that took the time to answer.
[03:22] <Anticom> i don't get this. I've got docker installed and i've got a 'bin' directory in my home dir. I've prepended /home/me/bin to my PATH but if i run 'docker' the native one is picked. Why is that?
[03:22] <Anticom> Is it like some anti-virus etc. thing?
[03:23] <Anticom> oh forgot to mention that there's an executable script in bin called 'docker'
[03:37] <calamari> Is there a GUI app to configure GTK3? I'm trying to get back a normal scrollbar, right now I have a rounded sliver with no buttons.
[03:37] <Romantic> How are packages built and put out as part of main distribution? Is it done by folks at canonical?
[03:38] <andywork> calamari: throw up a terminal and type this: gsettings set com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode normal
[03:39] <Romantic> Say for this package, can I find out who's built and made avail? libjava-gnome-java
[03:40] <Anticom> Romantic: probably the guys over at #ubuntu-dev have answers for your questions
[03:41] <Anticom> Romantic: for specific packages i believe there's author information if you do 'apt show libjava-gnome-java'
[03:41] <Anticom> Romantic: "Maintainer" is what you're looking for in apt show is what you're looking for
[04:26] <bilb_ono> I can’t access the caffe-cuda package with sudo apt-get install caffe-cuda
[04:27] <bilb_ono> I did sudo apt-get update
[04:29] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: open terminal
[04:29] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: it is
[04:29] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>   sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[04:29] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: let me know when its done
[04:30] <bilb_ono> Im not on the computer that this is on btw
[04:30] <tatertotz> oh
[04:30] <bilb_ono> but I can pastebin stuff anyways I guess
[04:30] <bilb_ono> Ill just copy the url
[04:31] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: let me know when its done
[04:31] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: its done
[04:32] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>     inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[04:32] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[04:34] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978727
[04:36] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: are you typing "sudo apt-get install caffe-cuda" ?
[04:37] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: yes
[04:38] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>     sudo apt install caffe-cuda|tee ~/nip.pir
[04:38] <acos> How bad is this error? It locked up a live CD
[04:38] <acos> https://imgur.com/a/F7Udt
[04:38] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: same error
[04:39] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>     pastebinit ~/nip.pir
[04:39] <acos> I had to hard power off
[04:39] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[04:39] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978750
[04:40] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>     sudo apt install caffe-cuda &> ~/nip.pir
[04:41] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: let me know when done...you may not see anything
[04:41] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: I did it
[04:41] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: in terminal>     pastebinit ~/nip.pir
[04:42] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978763
[04:43] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: did you add this            Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cuda-8-0-local-ga2.list
[04:43] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: no where do you see that?
[04:44] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: i was just looking at the PPA's you have added and the repos you can get software from
[04:45] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: E: Unable to locate package caffe-cuda  would suggest the system cannot find a package by that name
[04:45] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: ah ok. so I should add what to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cuda-8-0-local-ga2.list ?
[04:45] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: are you %100 certain that is the name of the package?
[04:46] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: yeah I can see it on packages.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <tatertotz> bilb_ono: is that a website?
[04:46] <bilb_ono> tatertotz: http://caffe.berkeleyvision.org/install_apt.html
[04:46] <bilb_ono> ohh
[04:46] <bilb_ono> maybe its because I am on 16
[04:46] <bilb_ono> whereas this is for 17
[04:48] <tatertotz> For Ubuntu (>= 17.04)
[04:48] <tatertotz> greater than or equal to
[04:48] <tatertotz> human error
[04:48] <bilb_ono> yeah
[04:49] <bilb_ono> thanks for the help though
[04:49] <tatertotz> no prob
[04:50] <boblamont> are there any file managers that work with lubuntu that will automatically rename files with invalid names as they copy (so you don't have to do it manually)? The preference is for a gui with drag and drop...  I'm copying things from a bunch of cd-rs (ISO 9660, Joliet Extension, most likely burned on a Mac), so renaming on the source isn't possible
[04:52] <bryanfrommacau> What would be faster on an old computer, lubuntu 17.10, or ubuntu 14.04?
[04:53] <boblamont> destination drive is listed as FAT32
[04:54] <tatertotz> would heavily depend on what and how you are measuring and determining speed and or quickness.
[04:55] <tatertotz> but i digress
[04:56] <tatertotz> E=Mc2 only works like that...if it was missing data such as E=  ...there's no solvable equation
[05:01] <jkwiatko> hi all i just build my first desktop PC and i wanted to install ubuntu. Is there any such issues that i need to worry about regarding motherboard/OS compatibility?
[05:04] <tatertotz> no
[05:04] <puxavida> hi - i have a lenovo yoga 920 that i just installed 16.04 on and I can get the network to work with a usb c adapter, but the wifi doesn't work.
[05:04] <puxavida> the wifi is:
[05:05] <jkwiatko> tatertotz: thank you
[05:05] <tatertotz> puxavida: are you chatting from the computer now? yes or no
[05:05] <puxavida> qualcomm atheros qca6174 80211ac
[05:05] <puxavida> next to it
[05:05] <puxavida> desktop here laptop on the side
[05:05] <tatertotz> puxavida: is it hardwired to the network with cable?
[05:06] <puxavida> yes with usb c adapter - have googled for any way to get firmware or something - I see the adapter with lspci
[05:06] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>   sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[05:07] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when done
[05:07] <puxavida> ok done
[05:07] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[05:08] <tatertotz> puxavida:  share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:09] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978897/
[05:12] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     nmcli d s|pastebinit
[05:12] <tatertotz> puxavida:  share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:13] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978911/
[05:14] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     sudo ip link set wlp107s0 up &> ~/nip.pir
[05:14] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when done...you may or may not see anything
[05:15] <puxavida> ok done
[05:16] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     sudo iw dev wlp107s0 scan &>> ~/nip.pir
[05:16] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when done...you may or may not see anything
[05:17] <puxavida> done
[05:18] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     nmcli d s|pastebinit
[05:18] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978932/
[05:19] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     rfkill list &>> ~/nip.pir
[05:19] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when done...you may or may not see anything
[05:20] <puxavida> ok
[05:20] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     pastebinit ~/nip.pir
[05:20] <tatertotz> puxavida:  share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:21] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/2597846/
[05:21] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978946/
[05:21] <puxavida> oops
[05:21] <puxavida> last one is better missed a number
[05:22] <puxavida> I see bluezone in that list and that is one of our campus access points
[05:22] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>     cat ~/nip.pir|grep SSI|pastebinit
[05:24] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978960/
[05:24] <tatertotz> puxavida: you BEFORE http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978897/
[05:25] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>   inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[05:26] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978970/
[05:27] <tatertotz> puxavida: which network are you planning on connecting to?
[05:27] <puxavida> bluezone
[05:27] <tatertotz> do it
[05:28] <puxavida> from the menu at the top i have to turn wifi on
[05:28] <puxavida> then edit connections?
[05:29] <tatertotz> why it is on already?
[05:29] <tatertotz> if your wifi were not "on" it would not be possible to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978960/
[05:31] <tatertotz> would you agree?
[05:31] <puxavida> how do i connect?
[05:31] <puxavida> It's not show in menu - not sure how to if from command line
[05:32] <tatertotz> puxavida: have you ever successfully used wifi on this computer in the past?
[05:32] <puxavida> yes - only with windows when first got it
[05:32] <puxavida> if I boot in to windows it works there
[05:33] <tatertotz> puxavida: try disabling quickboot/fast boot or what ever its called in windows and see if your symptom(s) persist
[05:34] <puxavida> ok
[05:35] <tatertotz> puxavida: also stop using any and all hibernation and power saving techniques used in windows and see if your symptom(s) persist
[05:35] <puxavida> ok
[05:38] <puxavida> turned off fast boot, but still no wifi - i unplugged wired to make sure wifi only showed
[05:39] <tatertotz> puxavida: did wireless work when booted to livecd/liveusb ?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: wich chipset is that?
[05:41] <puxavida> no i had usb c wired connected
[05:41] <tatertotz> which by the way you would have had to do when you installed ubuntu
[05:41] <tatertotz> let me ask again in pure yes or no format
[05:41] <tatertotz> puxavida: did wireless work when booted to livecd/liveusb ?
[05:42] <tatertotz> puxavida: did wireless work when booted to livecd/liveusb ? yes or no
[05:42] <tatertotz> puxavida: if you do not know.....go find out and return to report the result of the findings
[05:43] <puxavida> i had wired connect because it wifi wasn't working
[05:43] <tatertotz> ok cool
[05:43] <puxavida> lotuspsychje, wifi chipset?
[05:43] <tatertotz> that tells me wifi was NOT working when booted to Ubuntu 16.04 livecd/liveusb
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: yeah brand name of your wifi card, you can findout with sudo lshw -C network
[05:44] <tatertotz> that rules out human error and any evil end users do unknowingly
[05:44] <tatertotz> so yeah i got a straight up legit issue
[05:45] <tatertotz> passes the smell test
[05:45] <puxavida>  qualcomm atheros qca6174 80211ac
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: are you sure what tatertotz asked, wifi icon did not showup at liveusb? did you test that?
[05:46] <tatertotz> puxavida: just show him your inxi
[05:47] <puxavida> wifi option is there in menu but it is always turned off and if you click on turn on it stays off
[05:47] <tatertotz> lotuspsychje: this is him http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978970/
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: you have a wifi switch/button on your computer?
[05:48] <tatertotz> it's not soft/hard blocked
[05:49] <puxavida> not that i can see
[05:49] <tatertotz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978960/
[05:50] <puxavida> lotuspsychje, tatertotz help me do some command line stuff that picked up our wifi access points
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> tatertotz: tnx
[05:50] <puxavida> helped me....
[05:50] <tatertotz> lotuspsychje: he's totally able to successfully pick up the SSID's around his geographical erea http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978960/
[05:50] <tatertotz> area
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: did you choose to install restricted extras at ubuntu setup/update system enabled?
[05:51] <puxavida> yes - to see if wifi would start working when it wasn't during install
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: ubuntu version 16.04.3?
[05:52] <puxavida> yes .3
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> good
[05:53] <puxavida> after installing I updated
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> puxavida: can you provide us the output of: tail -f /var/log/syslog after disable wifi and enable again?
[05:54] <puxavida> ok - will click enable in menu and get log
[05:54] <tatertotz> puxavida: OH WAIT
[05:54] <tatertotz> puxavida: you are hard/soft blocked
[05:55] <tatertotz> lotuspsychje: he's hard blocked
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> that would sound logical
[05:56] <tatertotz> lotuspsychje: i saw the ssid's and called it preemptively, look at the very bottom http://paste.ubuntu.com/25978946/ puxavida you can look too
[05:56] <tatertotz> says hardblocked=yes
[05:56] <puxavida> will paste changes from tail -f I got
[05:57] <tatertotz> why..just try the switch
[05:58] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25979089/
[05:59] <puxavida> what is hard/soft blocked?
[05:59] <puxavida> like it only works in windows?
[06:00] <tatertotz> Nov 16 22:55:30 yox NetworkManager[786]: <info>  [1510898130.8087] audit: op="radio-control" arg="wireless-enabled:1" pid=1915 uid=1000 result="success"
[06:00] <tatertotz> puxavida: what is the current local time?
[06:00] <puxavida> 11pm (2300)
[06:01] <tatertotz> so bout 5 min ago
[06:01] <puxavida> yes
[06:01] <tatertotz> puxavida: i think i've seen this before
[06:02] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    lsmod|grep wmi|pastebinit
[06:04] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25979107/
[06:04] <puxavida> wmi is ideapad_laptop
[06:06] <tatertotz> mmmhhmmm
[06:06] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    lsmod|grep deap|pastebinit
[06:07] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25979122/
[06:09] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    sudo rmmod ideapad_laptop
[06:10] <tatertotz> try now
[06:10] <puxavida> done
[06:10] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    nmcli d s|pastebinit
[06:11] <puxavida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25979133/
[06:13] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    sudo apt install sosreport
[06:13] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when its done
[06:13] <puxavida> done
[06:13] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    sudo sosreport
[06:13] <tatertotz> puxavida: skip questions you can't answer by pessing enter
[06:14] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when its done
[06:15] <puxavida> ok. it create a file in /tmp
[06:15] <puxavida> created
[06:15] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    sudo chown 1000:1000 /tmp/sos*
[06:15] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when its done
[06:16] <puxavida> done
[06:17] <tatertotz> puxavida: in terminal>    sudo mv /tmp/sos* ~/
[06:17] <tatertotz> puxavida: let me know when its done
[06:18] <puxavida> ok done
[06:18] <tatertotz> puxavida: go to https://filebin.net and upload the two report files located in your home folder. Then share the url/link here
[06:20] <puxavida> https://filebin.net/2jfezdlm9wugaks0
[06:25] <bobdobbs> I'm using 14.04. How can I upgrade to latest LTS?
[06:26] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | bobdobbs
[06:27] <nacc> bobdobbs: just use the release upgrader
[06:27] <nacc> bobdobbs: either update-manager or `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[06:28] <bobdobbs> If I start the update-manager, I get panel with the message 'failed to download repository information'. If I type 'do-release-upgrade' from terminal as root, I get the message 'no new release found'
[06:29] <nacc> bobdobbs: does `sudo apt update` work?
[06:30] <bobdobbs> Kinda. It works with some errors. I'll pastebin them...
[06:30] <nacc> bobdobbs: do-release-upgrade should definitelyw ork, and if it doesn't i'd check your repositories are correct
[06:31] <bobdobbs> https://hastebin.com/vopazomima.php
[06:31] <bobdobbs> how do check if my repositories are correct?
[06:36] <bobdobbs> One of the reasons I'm asking is because I'm stuck at step one of this documents: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[06:36] <bobdobbs> It says to open the "software and updates setting in system settings""
[06:37] <bobdobbs> but for the life of me I can't find 'System Settings'
[06:38] <bobdobbs> I can find 'All Settings'. This has a search function. The search function is unable to find anything that matches 'update'
[06:39] <[n0mad]> Software and updates isn't in settings
[06:39] <batteronizer> Hi can someone tell me (authoratatively :-D) if we can mix RAMs of different frequencies but same DDR type?
[06:39] <bobdobbs> What I want to avoid is manually updating using a usb
[06:39] <bobdobbs> (or cd or dvd or whatever)
[06:39] <batteronizer> E.g. DDR3 667 MHz with a higher frequency DDR3
[06:41] <[n0mad]> Software and updates is in your programs
[06:42] <bobdobbs> I'm not sure what that means. I usually start programs from either the 'Activities' bar or from a terminal.
[06:43] <puxavida> tatertotz, I need to leave.  If you have any more input could you post here?  I'll check tomorrow.  Thanks for help
[06:45] <bobdobbs> In the 'Activities' bar there is a cog icon. And if I hover over it the tooltip says 'settings'. But nothing happens if I click on it.
[06:46] <bobdobbs> My preference would be to use the command line.
[06:46] <[n0mad]> You were given the command line earlier
[06:46] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades for what it is set to .
[06:48] <bobdobbs> [n0mad]: yes. and using the command fails as well. 'do-release-upgrade' returns "no new releases found". I was then told to check my repositories. But I'm not sure what that means.
[06:48] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om:
[06:48] <bobdobbs> Bashing-om: https://hastebin.com/agigedoqik.sql
[06:51] <tatertotz> puxavida: I do see a few things that give me concern, next time we get to chat we'll discuss
[06:54] <bobdobbs> So I guess my system doesn't think that a new release exists. How can I convince it that it does? A strongly-worded letter? Interpretive dance?
[06:55] <hateball> bobdobbs: from what to what are you looking to upgrade?
[06:55] <bobdobbs> hateball: from 14.04 to 16.04
[06:55] <hateball> Right, hmmm
[06:55] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Well, correct setting - given that you are on 14.04 .
[06:57] <DaemonFC> It's interesting that core parts of GNOME are "unsupported" but Ubuntu did change the search referrer links to "Canonical" in Web. :/
[07:12] <campitor> hello everyone
[07:13] <campitor> Is ubuntu updated for KRACK vulnerability?
[07:13] <campitor> I mean would I be safe if I start a wifi hotspot in ubuntu?
[07:16] <hateball> campitor: Yes
[07:16] <hateball> campitor: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/
[07:17] <campitor> thank you hateball
[07:18] <gordonjcp> morning
[07:18] <gordonjcp> is there a quick and easy way to upgrade to Firefox 56?  Mine's just been swapped for 57
[07:20] <diskin> gordonjcp, you mean, downgrade?
[07:20] <gordonjcp> diskin: upgrade
[07:20] <gordonjcp> diskin: 57 is a lot worse
[07:21] <gordonjcp> my desktop machine only has 16GB of RAM, so it can't really cope with 57
[07:21] <diskin> wow, I read on HN that in 57 they improved memory consumption...
[07:22] <DaemonFC> I'm already on Firefox 58 beta 4. (Mozilla Team PPA)
[07:22] <diskin> gordonjcp, https://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[07:22] <oerheks> 16 gb and not running FF 57 properly?
[07:22] <mr_lou> Help. :-(  Wine suddenly doesn't detect my Blu-ray Disc Burner anymore, and this couldn't happen at a worse time. :-(
[07:22] <DaemonFC> It's a bad idea to stop Firefox from being upgraded.
[07:23] <gordonjcp> oerheks: all four cores at 100% CPU, most of the memory used by firefox
[07:23] <DaemonFC> There is no support for older versions, so no security issues that are found will be fixed.
[07:23] <oerheks> gordonjcp, check your plugins?
[07:23] <gordonjcp> DaemonFC: it's a bad idea to ship Firefox "updates" that don't work
[07:23] <gordonjcp> oerheks: no plugins
[07:23] <oerheks> gordonjcp, or tr FF in safe mode?
[07:23] <gordonjcp> oerheks: I even moved .mozilla out of the way and let it create a new "clean slate" one
[07:23] <diskin> gordonjcp, how many tabs? flash banners perhaps?
[07:23] <DaemonFC> Works fine for me. Must be something wrong on your end. Have you tried refreshing your profile?
[07:23] <gordonjcp> diskin: no tabs, this is just it on the "opening screen"
[07:24] <oerheks> firefox -safe-mode
[07:24] <gordonjcp> DaemonFC: like I just said, I moved .mozilla out of the way
[07:24] <DaemonFC> The only thing I noticed about 57 was that it was a _LOT_ faster.
[07:24] <gordonjcp> DaemonFC: no, it's taking about five minutes to render a page
[07:25] <gordonjcp> and the UI is pretty much unusable
[07:25] <DaemonFC> That's not the general consensus.
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[07:26] <gordonjcp> it's slower here, and I don't like the UI
[07:26] <kostkon> mr_lou, add the drive back in winecfg
[07:26] <gordonjcp> and no plugins work in it
[07:27] <ducasse> still, running a browser that doesn't get security patches is not a solution
[07:27] <gordonjcp> ducasse: I'm open to other suggestions
[07:28] <ducasse> switch to chromium if you don't like the way ff is going? or another browser, for that matter.
[07:30] <gordonjcp> ducasse: maybe someone will come up with a theme for it that fixes those unstyled tabs
[07:31] <causative> sometimes I see duplicate applications in Software, one from Ubuntu or a recognized source with reviews, another from an unknown source... is this a problem? malware?
[07:31] <oerheks> you name 2 things, high cpu use, and UI you don't like, we can only try to help with cpu issue..
[07:31] <gordonjcp> oerheks: I think the high CPU and memory use is just inherent to it
[07:31] <ducasse> gordonjcp: btw, it sounds to me like there might be something else causing your problems. i just tested ff57 on an ancient core i3 notebook with 4gb ram, works like a charm. speedier than chromium.
[07:32] <Afdla> I compiled check with these instructions: https://github.com/libcheck/check/tree/0.12.0 but still when I run "check", I get "No command check found". Why is this?
[07:32] <gordonjcp> there's literally nothing in the profile, it's a completely clean .mozilla
[07:34] <Afdla> Ok, had to run "sudo make install". This was not in the github documentation but on their website..
[07:37] <diskin> gordonjcp, perhaps you can run strace to find out what is going on. or, run as another Linux user to check that there is nothing in your account is affecting it
[07:39] <gordonjcp> diskin: I need to head out to work now, but later on I'll just spin up a clean install of Ubuntu on an identical machine and see what it does
[07:41] <mr_lou> I need help. :-(  Lost my Blu-ray burner after an update apparently. Need to burn a lot of discs right now. It's worked fine for years.
[07:43] <oerheks> eject && eject -t # does it open and close?
[07:43] <mr_lou> I can view contents of a Blu-ray disc fine - but no burner apps will detect the drive.
[07:43] <mr_lou> oerheks, Yes, that works fine.
[07:44] <oerheks> oh oke, you *can* read from it
[07:44] <mr_lou> I've been using ImgBurn with Wine (because no Linux apps will burn UDF 2.5). But neither ImgBurn or other burner apps will find the drive.
[07:47] <mr_lou> Been working fine for years. Now all of the sudden (naturally when I have a deadline) the drive just isn't detected.
[07:49] <Ben64> so the issue is wine doesn't see it
[07:50] <diskin> mr_lou, do native linux apps see it properly, as a burner?
[07:51] <mr_lou> diskin, Doesn't look like it. Trying with wodim -v my.iso just says there's not enough room. It's as if it thinks it's just a CD or DVD... or something.
[07:51] <mr_lou> diskin, What's the "best" burner app?
[07:51] <Ben64> k3b?
[07:51] <diskin> yes, also wanted to mention k3b.
[07:51] <mr_lou> Tried that. Doesn't appear to be any Blu-ray ISO burn option.
[07:51] <mr_lou> Will look again.
[07:54] <mr_lou> Says the same as wodim. Not enough space.
[07:54] <diskin> mr_lou, run sudo lshw -c disk and check what is it saying about your cdrom capabilities
[07:55] <diskin> also, did you check other disks?
[07:55] <mr_lou> Yes. Tried a few now.
[07:56] <mr_lou> lshw -c disk sees the drive as DVD-RAM writer.
[07:57] <mr_lou> Don't know what it used to see.
[07:57] <mr_lou> All I know is that I've been burning Blu-rays fine for years using ImgBurn with Wine.
[07:57] <mr_lou> Some update has screwed it up somehow.
[07:58] <gordonjcp> mr_lou: have you got some Ubuntu install media?  Have you tried booting off a live disk, and seeing what a totally unpatched fresh-out-the-box version would see?
[07:58] <mr_lou> No
[07:59] <gordonjcp> might be worth a shot
[08:00] <diskin> gordonjcp, also, do you have a DVD-R (or RW) to check? And what is in the "capabilities" line of lshw output?
[08:01] <gordonjcp> diskin: no, I haven't had any sort of optical media for about 15 years
[08:01] <mr_lou> gordonjcp, "removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram"
[08:02] <diskin> gordonjcp, oh, I sent to you instead of mr_lou, sorry!
[08:02] <gordonjcp> diskin: no worries :-)
[08:02] <gordonjcp> mr_lou: is that the same as what you get when you're booted up normally?
[08:03] <mr_lou> gordonjcp, This is normal boot. I don't have a live disc at the moment.
[08:03] <gordonjcp> ah, okay
[08:03] <mr_lou> Seems I have to put the drive in the girlfriends windoze machine, and burn from there. :-(
[08:16] <alkisg> Good morning all :)
[08:17] <ducasse> hi alkisg :)
[08:34] <stevenm> crazy question - can I use a 4.2 kernel with ubuntu 16.04 ?
[08:36] <geirha> You actually want a kernel that is *older* than the oldest version available in 16.04's repos?
[08:36] <xcom169> hello all!
[08:36] <stevenm> geirha, unfortunately yeah :S
[08:36] <ducasse> why?
[08:36] <alkisg> I've booted Ubuntu 16.04 with kernel 3.13, it worked, but I only tested for a couple of minutes...
[08:37] <stevenm> this particular ubuntu desktop I use at work... and work have decided I *must* install "Symantec Encryption Desktop" (the new name for PGP Desktop) which includes a kernel module for transparently decrypting/encrypting PGP encrypted files on the network shares.
[08:37] <stevenm> unfortunately symantec haven't bothered to update their C code since 2011 and it doesn't compile in correctly on anything that is 4.3 or newer
[08:39] <ducasse> well, you won't be getting automatic security patches or support, you will need to handle both of those yourself
[08:40] <geirha> so in order to get this Symantec Encryption Desktop installed, you have to decrease the security of the system
[08:40] <ducasse> better to pester symantec to get with the program
[08:46] <oerheks> only supported on 14.04 https://support.symantec.com/en_US/article.TECH234479.html
[08:54] <xcom169> Hello! Anyone here familiar with the badram module?
[08:56] <slabster> hello people :)
[09:00] <AlienCat> hello, I am using wayland and the graphics tablet cannot be found
[09:00] <AlienCat> however the wacom settings page find it
[09:00] <AlienCat> but not xsetwacom
[09:00] <AlienCat> or gimp
[09:04] <xcom169> Anyone here dealt with the BadRam kernel module?
[09:04] <slabster> hm ... nobody is chatty around here
[09:05] <EriC^^> slabster: it's cause its the tech support channel, try joining #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:05] <slabster> oh , thank you :)
[09:05] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[09:06] <slabster> EriC^^, since im alredy here
[09:06] <slabster> i have this update ... and not sure if i should install it
[09:06] <slabster> mintupdate 5.2.1.1
[09:06] <EriC^^> !info mintupdate
[09:07] <EriC^^> slabster: are you using linux mint?
[09:07] <slabster> yeah , the ldx version
[09:08] <stevenm> oerheks, except for 14.04.5 :) which brings in kernel 4.4 - i've seen it already
[09:08] <EriC^^> slabster: ah, try joining the linux mint server
[09:08] <EriC^^> !mint | slabster
[09:09] <xcom169> Or memmap also good for me
[09:09] <EriC^^> slabster: /server irc.spotchat.org    then /join #linuxmint-help
[09:09] <slabster> wow , thanks a lot :)
[09:09] <EriC^^> sure thing :)
[10:33] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Hi! Since a few months (Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 then, Ubuntu 17.10 now) all keyboard shortcuts with SHIFT are not recognized (it's as if I did not press SHIFT at all). So e.g. I cannot restore the last closed tab (with CTRL-SHIFT-T), but would accidentally open a new tab in browsers. Any ideas?
[10:36] <Vamp898> Where can i get an DEB Package for the current proprietary AMD driver?
[10:38] <EriC^^> Vamp898: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
[10:41] <Vamp898> EriC^^: I already looked there, but i was not able to get an DEB package there :(
[10:41] <Vamp898> EriC^^: or does it include a tool to build the DEB? ill just check it :D
[10:44] <jason85> How can I disable gnome on my ubuntu system, so that i boot directly into console with login prompt?
[10:45] <Ben64> !text | jason85
[10:47] <fenix> ubottu: text?
[10:47] <fenix> single
[10:47] <fenix> quite 3 single
[10:48] <fenix> then u have only text mode
[10:48] <fenix> ubottu: don't worry m2
[10:48] <fenix> ubottu: aha aha
[10:48] <fenix> :)
[11:10] <_pronet_> @Fuchs are you online?
[11:29] <FManTropyx> does Ubuntu come with a PDF viewer program?
[11:30] <Era_> Hello. I'm trying to install an application through a deb file, but it requires gtk-sharp2, but I cannot install it, says I 'have held broken packages'
[11:33] <Ben64> Era_: you should install things only from the ubuntu repositories or PPAs for your ubuntu version
[11:37] <hateball> FManTropyx: Yes
[11:38] <mutante> FManTropyx: several. xpdf, qpdfview, katarakt, mupdf, avlv... and more
[11:39] <hateball> FManTropyx: I think Ubuntu uses Evince by default, while Kubuntu uses Okular, and so on. Regardless of DE there should be a default PDF viewer installed
[11:39] <FManTropyx> mutante, I don't have any of those -- evince appears to eixst
[11:40] <FManTropyx> it appears to work: thank you!
[11:42] <Era_> Ben64: The deb file is for ubuntu tho
[11:43] <Ben64> Era_: deb file is not a repository
[11:43] <Era_> Ben64, even so, can I not install gtk-sharp2?
[11:44] <Era_> Ben64, gtk-sharp2 is in the official repos, and yet I cannot install it, due to the dependencies
[11:44] <Ben64> Era_: probably because you installed other stuff from weird places...
[11:45] <Ben64> Era_: pastebin 'apt-cache policy gtk-sharp2; sudo apt install gtk-sharp2'
[11:46] <fenix> Era_: Try with -f option
[11:46] <Era_> https://pastebin.com/ZcFavW6u
[11:46] <Era_> I get the same output with or without -f
[11:48] <Ben64> Era_: pastebin 'sudo apt install gtk-sharp2 libglade2.0-cil-dev libglib2.0-cil-dev libgtk2.0-cil-dev'
[11:49] <Era_> https://pastebin.com/hDC4ZXHL
[11:49] <Ben64> and there you go
[11:50] <Ben64> you have some 3rd party repo enabled that messes it up
[11:50] <fenix> Era_: first delete application what u try install
[11:50] <fenix> dpkg -r name.deb
[11:50] <fenix> apt-get install --reinstall names_libs
[11:51] <Lavinho> good morning
[11:51] <Lavinho> how to install ubuntu 17.10 on acer es1-132 ?
[11:51] <Lavinho> help me please
[11:52] <fenix> put the cd and read the instruction
[11:52] <Lavinho> install and reboot this message no bootable device
[11:52] <fenix> Era_: if not work check what version gtk u have gtk-launch --version
[11:53] <Era_> no flag --version fenix
[11:54] <Lavinho> help me please
[11:55] <Lavinho> after installing ubuntu reinico and it appears in the bootable device
[11:57] <mboard> Lavinho: you are having UEFI?  I remember I had problems before because of this but cannot remember what I make to get it working
[11:57] <Lavinho> uefi only
[11:57] <Lavinho> but disbale/enable secure boot
[11:58] <mboard> you will need to check google for your computer, they are different
[12:08] <Era_> Ben64, fenix, I fixed it I think, just had to remove libglib2.0-cil
[12:08] <Era_> then it all installed properly
[12:10] <zamba> how do i change the ip address of a ubuntu server?
[12:10] <zamba> i've edited /etc/network/interfaces
[12:10] <zamba> and i've tried issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:10] <zamba> and also ifdown ens32 ; ifup ens32
[12:10] <zamba> to no avail
[12:10] <zamba> it still uses the old address
[12:11] <zamba> god damn.. a reboot worked.. linux has become windows
[12:11] <oerheks> sudo service networking restart # would do
[12:12] <tatertotz> lol
[12:13] <ali1234> i have a 16.04 server which is configured for unattended upgrades, but no upgrades are being installed
[12:13] <ali1234> the log shows that unattended-upgrades runs twice every day, it just doesn't install anything
[12:13] <tomreyn> ali1234: run it with -sd
[12:13] <ali1234> if i run "sudo unattended-upgrades --dry-run –debug" manually then it lists hundreds of packages that it wants to install
[12:14] <oerheks> ali1234, what is the output of " sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade " ? this might install packages/kernel that has been held back
[12:14] <tomreyn> actually --dry-run –debug is whati meant
[12:15] <ali1234> oerheks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25980570/
[12:16] <oerheks> hit 'y'
[12:17] <oerheks> and then after reboot, run apt autoremove to clean unused kernels
[12:17] <oerheks> now you can recieve unattended updates
[12:17] <ali1234> how does that fix the problem that upgrades aren't being installed manually?
[12:17] <ali1234> er, automatically?
[12:17] <oerheks> because of the kernel/components dependencies
[12:18] <ali1234> so it will break again the next time there is a kernel upgrade?
[12:19] <EriC^^> ali1234: look into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*
[12:19] <EriC^^> ali1234: specifically 10periodic and 20auto-upgrades  "1" means on, "0" means off
[12:20] <ali1234> APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
[12:20] <auronandace> i would have thought on a production server you would want to manage kernel updates manually
[12:20] <ali1234> and i know it runs the script every day, the script just refuses to install anything and exits silently
[12:20] <ali1234> auronandace: on a production server you would want to manage all updates manually
[12:21] <ali1234> unattended upgrades are pointless if they silently stop working every two weeks
[12:21] <EriC^^> try #ubuntu-server ?
[12:22] <Vamp898> Xorg have xinerama disabled per default. When i start lightdm, Xorg seems to use the Xinerama feature. Is there a way to tell ilghtdm to start Xorg without xinerama?
[12:23] <EriC^^> Vamp898: look into /etc/lightdm/
[12:24] <FManTropyx> "we’ll show some of the great articles, videos, and other pages you’ve recently visited" - that'll be extremely useful!
[12:27] <Vamp898> EriC^^: Seems like there is no way set this using lightdm, at least it is not mentioned here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm.conf
[12:31] <EriC^^> Vamp898: how did you install xinerama?
[12:38] <aOssed> I have a problem with my motd - it shows itself twice and only displays the static /etc/motd (twice.).   I can fix the double motd by outcommenting  the line in /etc/pamh./sshd
[12:39] <Vamp898> EriC^^: i did not, it is pulled in as dependency when you install xorg
[12:47] <bobdobbs> lol. I finally managed to update from 14.04. I was trying to update to 16.04 but somehow ended up with 17.04
[12:48] <bobdobbs> I had to reinstall some nvidia stuff. But man... my system feels a lot faster
[12:48] <bobdobbs> could just be the new video drivers, I don't know.
[12:49] <bobdobbs> My system looks the same as it did a few hours ago. But it just seems to respond faster
[12:50] <oerheks> really, form 14.04 straight to 17.04?
[12:51] <bobdobbs> Yeah. I was following the wiki on how to update to 16.04.
[12:52] <bobdobbs> but for some reason I overshot the target
[12:52] <bobdobbs> I would have prefered 16.04. But I haven't stumbled across any horrible bugs so far
[12:53] <bobdobbs> so I might just wait for the next LTS
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:15] <TheWild> hello
[13:16] <TheWild> how to check which version of given apt package is available for Ubuntu 16.04, actually being on Windows?
[13:16] <donofrio> apt-cache search?
[13:16] <donofrio> TheWild, you mean "windows 10?" (I use WSL too fwiw daily)
[13:20] <mutante> TheWild: https://packages.ubuntu.com
[13:22] <TheWild> wow, found the package I needed and right, it's up to date. Thank you mutante
[13:33] <timbozeman> I have a nVidia GTX 1070 with 4 monitors. I bought a 5th monitor cause it has 5 holes, but turns out it only supports 5 monitors. What if I get another 1070 and connect them with SLI? Can I do 5 monitors then?
[13:35] <timbozeman> err, I mean it only supports 4 monitors *
[13:46] <BluesKaj> timbozeman, do you actually need a 5th monitor ?
[13:47] <timbozeman> Yeah, I'd do more if its possible
[13:47] <BluesKaj> more what ?
[13:47] <timbozeman> monitors
[13:47] <timbozeman> more monitors more better
[13:48] <BluesKaj> someone else must have 5 monitors ......
[13:49] <solata10> hello all
[13:49] <solata10> i read somewhere on the net, that `ping` defaults are platform specific ... is there a way to change those defaults ? (without recompiling the `ping`)
[13:52] <nick1234> BluesKaj: I ahve 2 monitor setup at workdesk. More would look fancy but I cant visualize the usefulness of 5 or 4 monitors even. What could be the different usecases for 4 or 5 monitor setups
[13:53] <Jonii> Hello. I tried to install qt5-default, but faced error "depends: qtbase5-dev but it is not going to be installed"
[13:54] <Jonii> Which seems a bit weird, since I thought apt install would just automatically fetch dependencies as well?
[13:54] <Jonii> And since it doesn't, I'm not sure how to proceed
[13:55] <BluesKaj> think 3 is the max mosty users can properly keep track , reada study of brokers and wall street usage, 3 seemed to be most users could handle with proficiency
[13:56] <BluesKaj> nick1234,^
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Jonii, try to install  qtbase5-dev
[13:58] <Jonii> It forms a chain of dependencies that are not going to be installed, should I follow that path?
[13:58] <nick1234> BluesKaj: :-)
[13:59] <Jonii> "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[13:59] <Jonii> Also this seems to go back to wayland packages. I just upgraded into ubuntu 17.10 from 17.04, and I'm not sure I have any wayland stuff installed :p
[14:00] <Jonii> Also some of these messages deeper down are like "17.4~git28372324.d8382~oibaf~z is to be installed"
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Jonii, take the last dependency and try installing thet one, sometimes the others will fall into line, otherwise run sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt -f install
[14:02] <BluesKaj> thet-that
[14:03] <timbozeman> BluesKaj, I use it for programming. It's really nice to spread out all the files your working on and database tables etc. Really a force multiplier for your brain
[14:04] <timbozeman> I do mainly use 1 screen, just nice to have all the references at hand
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ToAruShiroiNeko, users brains acan only handle so many "mulitpiers" :-)
[14:05] <ducasse> Jonii: looks like you have one or more ppas installed - purge those and it should install fine
[14:05] <BluesKaj> oops timbozeman^
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse , good call..should have asked that first
[14:14] <Spacebear> Has anyone had an issues where if you do two windows side by side, then click onto one, the other one minimizes?
[14:15] <Spacebear> this is on xorg and wayland sessions
[14:28] <Alfonso_> Hi everybody. Ever since I updated Firefox to v57 (stable) on Ubuntu 16.04, text on certain sites isn't rendered. See e.g. github.com or youtube.com. Does anyone else experience this?
[14:28] <Spacebear> was it from the ubuntu repos or the mozilla repos
[14:28] <wasutton3_work> so I've written "ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="17e9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="436e", ATTRS{iSerial}=="1703271171B", RUN+="/bin/sh /home/will/.screenlayout/Desk-Battlestation.sh"" as a udev rule. It doesn't seem to be running the script at the end. do you think its a permissions issue or is there something else going on?
[14:28] <Spacebear> Second have you tried it with a new profile or your existing ff56 one Alfonso_
[14:29] <hateball> wasutton3_work: is the script chmod +x ?
[14:29] <hateball> wasutton3_work: oh I saw now the /bin/sh
[14:29] <wasutton3_work> yea
[14:29] <Alfonso_> Spacebar: From Ubuntu's
[14:29] <hateball> wasutton3_work: any reason you're calling sh and not bash? as on ubuntu sh links to dash
[14:30] <wasutton3_work> i can execute /home/will/.screenlayout/Desk-Battlestation.sh" from the CLI
[14:30] <Spacebear> Alfonso_, try a new profile, launch firefox with -p
[14:30] <Spacebear> create a new profile and run form there
[14:30] <hateball> wasutton3_work: ah so it works manually with dash then, hmmm
[14:30] <Alfonso_> Will do
[14:30] <Spacebear> you can also try toggling hardware acceleration. I've been using it since Beta and haven't had this crop up.
[14:30] <Spacebear> you can also try an official moz version and see if its related to ubuntus mods
[14:31] <Spacebear> (also try it on wayland and xorg)
[14:32] <frankie64> good morning
[14:33] <frankie64> I am stuck with the apt-get failing due to dependency not met linux-headers-3.2.0-93-gerenric is not installed, and have tried to work arounf it but have not been successful
[14:34] <Alfonso_> Spacebar: Same problem with a new profile...
[14:34] <frankie64> looking for some help
[14:34] <Spacebear> Alfonso_, can you show me a screenshot?
[14:34] <Spacebear> also what sort of graphics driver are you uisng?
[14:35] <Spacebear> (i.e intel, amd or nvidia)
[14:35] <Alfonso_> Spacebar: I'm new to IRC, how can I upload a screenshot?
[14:35] <Spacebear> use the screenshot tool, then upload to imgur/any image host
[14:35] <Spacebear> then paste the link in here
[14:36] <Spacebear> or pm it to me
[14:40] <adrian_1908> frankie64: what Ubuntu version?
[14:41] <frankie64> 14.04
[14:42] <frankie64> i was thinking of downloading the 3.2.0-93 and manually installing it
[14:42] <adrian_1908> there is the "force" (-f) option, you may want to try.
[14:43] <Alfonso_> Spacebar: Screenshots are here: https://imgur.com/a/M0SMa
[14:43] <Spacebear> Alfonso_, hit ctrl A
[14:44] <Spacebear> does anything show up when hilighted?
[14:44] <frankie64> i have b een googling this for an hour, and have tried -f...not working
[14:44] <frankie64> it says its 'not installable'
[14:44] <frankie64> the was about 50 kernels on there, but i am down to 2
[14:45] <adrian_1908> frankie64: sorry, no idea then. I can't give advice if manual installation is a good idea, future-update wise.
[14:46] <Alfonso_> Spacebar: No, nothing! Symbolized elements are clickable, but there's simply no text at all...
[14:46] <Spacebear> Alfonso_, that is very odd! remove firefox then try re-installing
[14:46] <Spacebear> then if that doesn't work, you will have to fetch a mozilla release and compile it your self.
[14:47] <Spacebear> (the ubuntu and moz folks will ask you to do this to file a bug report)
[14:47] <Alfonso_> Thanks, will try
[14:52] <tomreyn> i dont think they would
[15:04] <vegii> well fug, seems I restarted my PC by touching it with some ESD and uh, it was under load and everything is fine until logon screen, but I get black screen afterwards
[15:08] <Jonii> ducasse:
[15:08] <Jonii> Jonii: looks like you have one or more ppas installed - purge those and it should install fine
[15:08] <Jonii> Umm, how do I purge them?
[15:08] <Jonii> Where are they? What? :O
[15:22] <frankie64> ---> <adrian_1908>, i went to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/linux-headers-3.2.0-93-generic/3.2.0-93.133, downloaded the file, did a manual dpkg --install of the file and now everything is hunky dory lol
[15:23] <adrian_1908> frankie64: Cool man, glad you found a solution! :)
[15:26] <nickoe> Hello
[15:27] <nickoe> I have an old machine with 12.04 LTS, but do-release-update  does not return any updates, nor with the -d ootion
[15:28] <nickoe> id it ok to just change the nickname in the sources.list file and then update and upgrade?
[15:29] <ioria> nickoe, you're out of support . How old is that pc ? what's its specifics ?
[15:30] <donofrio> nickoe, try changing sources.list the doing dist-upgrade (just a guess)
[15:30] <donofrio> nickoe, guessing your a ppc user?
[15:35] <nacc> !eolupgrade | nickoe
[15:36] <nacc> frankie64: 3.2.0 is not a supported ubuntu kernel on any current release
[15:38] <Azureus> help me please
[15:38] <nacc> !ask | Azureus
[15:39] <Azureus> acer es1-132 no bootable device after installation ubuntu 17.10
[15:39] <ioria> Azureus, oh, that's a terrible piece of hw
[15:40] <Azureus> no installation linux ?
[15:40] <Azureus> on device
[15:40] <ioria> Azureus, dual boot with win 10 ?
[15:44] <Azureus> no boot
[15:45] <Azureus> list linux
[15:45] <Azureus> only windows
[15:45] <Azureus> no list linux, only windows boot
[15:46] <Azureus> but boot usb normaly
[15:47] <ioria> Azureus, ok, you can try to run this command from Win (as adm) : bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi     or read this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/918083/bios-not-seeing-ubuntu-installed-on-acer-aspire-es1-132-can-boot-via-grub-cli
[15:47] <ducasse> Azureus: haven't you gotten help with this a couple of days in a row now?
[15:48] <Azureus> no
[15:53] <fbnts> Hi, I am having issue with an ubuntu 16.04.3 server which keeps randomly hanging and requiring a hard power reset.  I have managed to find the Kernel panic in the log afterwards but I am stuck.  The extract from the log is: https://pastebin.com/n2rtAx9h
[15:53] <fbnts> it seems to refer to tty_poll but I can't find where this is and what is calling it
[15:54] <nacc> fbnts: it is in the kernel
[15:55] <fbnts> nacc: ah ok, is there anyway from the log entry to work out what is causing the hanging?  I have applied all updates to no avail.
[15:56] <nacc> fbnts: it would appear you haven't. your kernel is out of date
[15:56] <nacc> fbnts: you should be -98, not -97
[15:57] <fbnts> ah sorry, that extract was from the kernel panic yesterday.  I have since applied the new kernel: uname -r gives 4.4.0-98-generic
[15:57] <nacc> fbnts: oh ok
[15:58] <nacc> fbnts: you could try the newer hwe kernel, to see if it's fixed
[15:58] <nacc> fbnts: or file a bug or debug yourself https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops
[16:00] <fbnts> nacc: I think debugging it myself may be a little too far but I'll take a look and if not, file a bug report.  I just wasn't sure if it was something stupid that I was doing/done that was causing it
[16:01] <nacc> fbnts: it might be interesting to try and reproduce it without the vbox drivers
[16:01] <nacc> fbnts: not sure if the ubuntu kernel devs will care
[16:02] <fbnts> nacc: the problem is I can't reliably predict when it will happen.  It was once a month or so for the last few months, but then becoming more frequent (its hung about 4 times in the last week)
[16:03] <elacheche> Hey! Why I can't find the alternate ISO in here → http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ ?
[16:03] <CTxCB> I have a Samsung HM250JI 260GB 2.5" HDD, which is connected to a USB port (because it's part of a Freecom ToughDrive). I can use the drive fine, but I have a problem...  The drive randomly locks up and Ubuntu is unable to read or write to it, and when doesn't spin down the drive when trying to safely remove it.
[16:04] <alkisg> elacheche: afaik only lubuntu ships the alternate iso nowadays
[16:07] <nacc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.10/release/
[16:07] <nacc> it is listed there, elacheche, alkisg
[16:09] <koichirose> Hello! On one of my server, the motd always shows that “0 packages can be updated” whereas on other servers this is autoupdated. I guess that nothing is running in the background to update that. What do I need to do to fix it?
[16:11] <nacc> koichirose: are they running the same version of ubuntu?
[16:12] <alkisg> koichirose: this updates motd: /etc/cron.weekly/update-notifier-common:/usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-motd
[16:12] <koichirose> nacc: yes, 16.04. Actually, one of them is running ubuntu desktop (it’s my home server)
[16:12] <nacc> alkisg: that's the is there a new release motd section
[16:13] <alkisg> and this: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier
[16:14] <koichirose> alkisg: do I have to put 99update-notifier in the root user’s cron?
[16:14] <alkisg> koichirose: no, just check that those files are there
[16:14] <koichirose> alkisg: they are
[16:14] <alkisg> You don't have to configure anything to make them work...
[16:15] <nacc> koichirose: that file is for configurationn. and when apt update runs, then the motd is updated
[16:15] <koichirose> nacc: do I have to run apt update manually, then?
[16:16] <nacc> koichirose: or set up unattended-upgrades (which will do the update but onnly upgrade what you say)
[16:16] <nacc> (i don't believe u-u can do selective updates)
[16:17] <Cooler> hey
[16:18] <Cooler> how do you combine multiple internet connections?
[16:18] <OpenSorce> I've got Ubuntu installed on my tablet that came with Win 10. I can boot it up and run it fine after install but when I reboot I get an efi shell. How do I boot from this?
[16:19] <ortsvorsteher> !efi
[16:19] <alkisg> koichirose: sudo cat /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available; sudo apt-get update; sudo cat /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available;
[16:20] <alkisg> koichirose: do the file contents change between apt-get update calls?
[16:20] <koichirose> alkisg: unfortunately I just ran apt update && upgrade, so I have 0 upgradable packages
[16:21] <alkisg> koichirose: so anyway, apt-daily systemd task runs apt-get update, which runs /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-updates-available, which creates var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available,
[16:22] <alkisg> koichirose: and finally,when someone logs in, the pam-motd package runs /etc/update-motd.d/* and produces /var/run/motd.dynamic,which contains the message you see when you log in
[16:22] <koichirose> so anyway, apt-daily systemd task runs apt-get update <—how do I check if this is true?
[16:22] <alkisg> koichirose: so you need to check which of those steps doesn't work for you
[16:22] <ChunkzZ> anyone have an idea why 17.10 is saying device not managed under networkmanager?
[16:22] <ChunkzZ> I change to true but still doesn't work...
[16:23] <koichirose> alkisg: to check all other steps, I simply need to run apt update, then log out and log back in to check the motd, right? If it changed, then it means that there’s no apt-daily task?
[16:23] <alkisg> koichirose:  systemctl status apt-daily-upgrade; systemctl status apt-daily
[16:23] <alkisg> koichirose: apt-daily runs as a service, i.e. on boot, not on login
[16:24] <koichirose> daily-upgrade: Active: inactive (dead) since Fri 2017-11-17 06:17:46 CET; 11h ago
[16:25] <alkisg> koichirose: that usually means "finished properly", unless you see any errors below that
[16:25] <koichirose> daily: Active: inactive (dead) since Fri 2017-11-17 06:29:36 CET; 10h ago
[16:25] <ioria> ChunkzZ, check  /etc/network/interface
[16:25] <koichirose> they should be fine: code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS
[16:26] <koichirose> alkisg: but now you’re talking about daily tasks, whereas before you were mentioning weekly tasks
[16:26] <ChunkzZ> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iQvKjEAl/
[16:26] <ChunkzZ> ioria: ^
[16:26] <alkisg> koichirose: nacc corrected me in that the weekly task is for release upgrades, not for updates
[16:27] <koichirose> oh ok, sorry
[16:27] <ioria> ChunkzZ, sudo lshw -C Network
[16:27] <koichirose> so it seems that something is not right. Before coming here I logged in, it said 0 updates in the motd. I ran apt update and I had 13 updates
[16:28] <alkisg> koichirose: right, you need to see which of those steps are failing
[16:29] <ipatrol> I managed to break my display system after doing a presentation
[16:29] <koichirose> alkisg: how should I proceed?
[16:30] <ipatrol> I had plugged in my machine via HDMI to a projector and swapped the screens, and now that I'm disconnected it doesn't recognize my current screen as primary
[16:30] <ipatrol> despite being the only one
[16:34] <ducasse> ipatrol: which release is this?
[16:34] <ipatrol> ducasse: kubuntu 16.10
[16:35] <ipatrol> I have access to Ctrl-F2, thankfully, but none of the panels
[16:35] <ducasse> !eol | ipatrol
[16:35] <ipatrol> ducasse: point taken, but I can't upgrade until I fix my displays
[16:36] <nacc> bit chicken and egg .. what you are on is unsupported
[16:36] <ducasse> ipatrol: other than that, try 'xrandr --output <whatever> --primary'
[16:36] <ipatrol> ducasse: what do I use for "whatever"?
[16:36] <Jonii> I got this advice from ducasse : "looks like you have one or more ppas installed - purge those and it should install fine"
[16:36] <Ben64> have you tried turning it off and then on again
[16:36] <Jonii> How do I purge ppas. Which ppas?
[16:37] <nacc> !ppapurge | Jonii
[16:37] <ipatrol> Ben64: literally, yes
[16:37] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu Gnome. I can zoom in the desktop with Alt+Super+8 (+/-). Is there a terminal command for doing this?
[16:37] <ducasse> ipatrol: look at the output from 'xrandr', use the output name that is listed as connected
[16:38] <ipatrol> ducasse: tried and it didn't fix it. Xrandr output for my screen is "eDP1 connected primary 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 340mm x 190mm"
[16:38] <Jonii> nacc, that doesn't answer which ppas. I don't see any way to check what ppas I even have
[16:39] <ipatrol> I wonder if that "inverted" is the problem. How would I change that?
[16:40] <elacheche> alkisg nacc : Yep, only Lubuntu ships an alternate ISO.. Afaik, to UPGRADE Ubuntu offline you need an alternate ISO.. Or the new Desktop ISOs can do that too?
[16:41] <ducasse> Jonii: look under /etc/apt/sources.list.d - there's usually one file for each
[16:42] <BluesKaj> Jonii, look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for the ppas you can delete them there with root permissions, the sudo apt update
[16:42] <BluesKaj> then
[16:42] <Jonii> ducasse, which ppas I should remove? Can I remove ones that belong to previous versions of Ubuntu? Any others?
[16:43] <Jonii> Like, currently I have almost all of those disabled, as indicated by Software & Updates thing which lets me see those
[16:44] <Ben64> Jonii: just disabling them doesn't remove the packages, which is why ppa-purge exists
[16:44] <ducasse> Jonii: 'disabled' is very different from 'purged' - the packages from them are still installed.
[16:44] <Jonii> So purging any of those risks my computer becoming bricked?
[16:45] <nicomachus> no...
[16:45] <Jonii> Which ones I can remove without risking bricking my computer?
[16:45] <nacc> Jonii: we don't know what you use or don't.
[16:46] <Romantic> anyone know what package has the gnome libnotify features? https://github.com/GNOME/libnotify?
[16:47] <ChunkzZ> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/U6CAYqQF/
[16:47] <ChunkzZ> ioria: ^
[16:47] <brym> hey all. ubuntu to ubuntu using remmina keeps failing; unable to connect to vnc server.
[16:47] <Ben64> brym: wrong ip, wrong port, firewall
[16:48] <brym> thinking firewall myself. ip/port are fine
[16:48] <brym> ssh works fine too
[16:48] <Jonii> nacc, I have no idea what I'm using really. I was told I have multiple ppas and therefore I can't install some package, and was told to purge "them"
[16:48] <Ben64> ssh isn't vnc
[16:48] <Jonii> And I don't know what "them" refers to. I don't want to just blindly go about purging stuff
[16:48] <nacc> Jonii: but you "blindly" installed stuff, it sounds like
[16:48] <nacc> as root
[16:49] <ioria> ChunkzZ, don't you have wifi ?
[16:49] <brym> no it isn't. so failing vnc, doesn't ssh let you remote desktop?
[16:49] <ChunkzZ> ioria: nah, just ethernet.
[16:49] <Ben64> brym: it lets you remote shell
[16:49] <Jonii> nacc, yeah. Installing some library seems less dangerous to me than purging every program that ever came from a particular source
[16:49] <brym> something about enabling x11 first?
[16:49] <nacc> Jonii: anything you do as root *can* be dangerous
[16:49] <nacc> Jonii: PPAs especially so!
[16:50] <ChunkzZ> anyone got an idea how to solve it?
[16:50] <ioria> ChunkzZ, nmcli d show enp1s0 | grep STATE
[16:51] <ChunkzZ> ioria: GENERAL.STATE:                          10 (unmanaged)
[16:51] <ioria> ChunkzZ, not working at all or disconnecting ?
[16:51] <ChunkzZ> it's working but it's saying device not managed.
[16:52] <ipatrol> Ok, fixed it. Wasn't a display issue directly, but for whatever reason, giving the presentation removed all my panels
[16:52] <ioria> ChunkzZ, ls /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/ ?
[16:52] <ChunkzZ> default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[16:53] <ioria> ChunkzZ, sudo touch  /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf        and sudo service network-manager restart
[16:54] <ChunkzZ> ioria: still saying the same..
[16:55] <ioria> ChunkzZ, i'd try a reboot, if you can
[16:55] <ipatrol> !upgrade
[16:56] <Jonii> But for example, I have Ubuntu 17.10, and I have ppa called "CDROM with Ubuntu 16.10 Yakkety Yak"
[16:56] <ChunkzZ> ioria: rebooted and it says the same.
[16:57] <ipatrol> That page doesn't have any information for Yakkety -> zesty
[16:57] <ioria> ChunkzZ, grep managed  /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[16:58] <ChunkzZ> ioria: managed=true
[16:58] <ioria> ChunkzZ, change it in 'false'
[16:58] <Jonii> is this the type of PPA the one that could hinder installing qt5-default ?
[16:58] <Jonii> Or what is the type of PPA that would be hindering installing qt5-default. How would I know?
[16:59] <tgm4883> Jonii: that's not a PPA
[16:59] <Jonii> Okay, what is a ppa? :O
[16:59] <tgm4883> nor would it prevent you from installing something
[16:59] <tgm4883> !ppa
[16:59] <ChunkzZ> ioria: still saying the same
[17:00] <ChunkzZ> ioria: managed=false
[17:00] <ChunkzZ> restarted the service too
[17:01] <ipatrol> Of course, my install is littered with PPAs because I have a frequent need for bleeding-edge software
[17:02] <Jonii> Okay, I think I know the suspect PPA
[17:02] <ioria> ChunkzZ, dmesg | grep -i enp1s0
[17:02] <Jonii> but ppa-purge doesn't have autocomplete
[17:02] <ipatrol> I'd probably be on Arch if I didn't have enough headaches already
[17:02] <Jonii> I don't know how to name that ppa to that command
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[17:02] <Jonii> All examples I find just have <ppa name here> as parameter to ppa-purge
[17:02] <ChunkzZ> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PMmY7e1n/
[17:03] <ChunkzZ> ioria: ^
[17:03] <nacc> Jonii: it will be ppa:... The url i the sources.list file can be opened, and will tell you the string to use.
[17:03] <ipatrol> !do-release-upgrade
[17:04] <nacc> ipatrol: your comments make little sense taken together. You are on an EOL release but need bleeding edge software?
[17:04] <nicomachus> !info do-release-upgrade > ipatrol
[17:04] <ipatrol> nacc: I wasn't aware I was on an EOL until you told me
[17:04] <nacc> ipatrol: then i don't know why you think you need bleeding edge software.
[17:04] <ChunkzZ> ugh this sucks
[17:04] <nacc> ipatrol: it feels like you are missing some rather obvious bits of information.
[17:05] <ipatrol> nacc: I was unaware because Muon has not offered me to upgrade, despite being configured to do so
[17:05] <ioria> ChunkzZ,  /etc/network/interfaces.d  is empty ?
[17:06] <ChunkzZ> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Vurn08ys/
[17:06] <ChunkzZ> ioria: ^
[17:06] <nacc> ipatrol: i mean you installed a version and didn't know how long it was supported for. Yet want bleeding edge software.
[17:06] <ipatrol> nacc: the Zesty info for Kubuntu says "If for some reason Discover does not offer you the upgrade to 17.04, but you know it is available, then you can open Krunner, or Konsole (or other terminal), and run: "
[17:06] <nacc> ipatrol: i have never used kubuntu, dunno
[17:06] <ipatrol> nacc: it's specialty software that I need bleeding-edge, not the whole environment
[17:07] <ioria> ChunkzZ,  what's that ?
[17:07] <ChunkzZ> ioria: what you asked for...
[17:08] <ChunkzZ> what's in /etc/network/interfaces.d
[17:08] <ipatrol> I have some programs that are unusable in the release version because of some critical bug that no one noticed
[17:08] <ChunkzZ> I give up lol off to re-install.
[17:08] <ioria> ChunkzZ,  ls  /etc/network/interfaces.d
[17:08] <ipatrol> I honestly think Ubuntu's repos could benefit from more runtime testing of packages, especially GUIs
[17:09] <BluesKaj> ioria,   /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty here too
[17:09] <ipatrol> So I have to install the dev versions because they're the only ones that work
[17:09] <ioria> BluesKaj, yeah
[17:10] <nacc> ipatrol: you are running an *EOL* release. It no longer gets bugfixes.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> probly because I'm using staic IP and NM is removed
[17:10] <nacc> ipatrol: so perhaps you would benefit from using a supported release.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> static
[17:11] <nicomachus> !eolupgrades | ipatrol follow this, then come back when you're on a supported release
[17:11] <ducasse> ioria: it hasn't gotten any since june, no security patches either
[17:11] <ducasse> ipatrol: ^^
[17:11] <ducasse> sorry, ioria
[17:12] <ipatrol> nacc: that's why I'm trying to sort out my upgrade situation. I really don't know why Kubuntu isn't automatically asking me to update
[17:12] <ipatrol> considering that all my packages are up-to-date within the release
[17:14] <ipatrol> nacc: I think a lot of those bugs have been like that since before the EOL date, but I digress. I'll upgrade as soon as I get home this evening. Ciao, and have a good weekend y'all
[17:15] <bokchoy> hello, what is necessary to get a 32 bit, fully statically linked binary running on a 64 bit ubuntu derivative? is it true that all that such a binary needs is the kernel? it may be a graphical application. someone asked for help over the phone, but i don't recall the specific error. "ldd" reported no dyn libs, and "file" said it was a static 32 bit intel ELF, is this possible to run on a 64 bit system?
[17:22] <StumpDumb> since upgrading from ubuntu 16.04 to 17.10, firefox has Crashed everytime I use it....can some one help me resolve this.
[17:23] <nathaneltitane> question: attempting to build a qt5 application and i keep stumbling on QTMain.cpp:3:17: fatal error: qgl.h: No such file or directory #include <qgl.h>
[17:24] <nathaneltitane> i've installed all required packages and looked into other requirements for the build but there is no directory for qgl.h for qt5
[17:24] <nathaneltitane> locate command lists gl.h under qt4 only
[17:24] <TJ-> bokchoy: a good question; in theory it should be fine.
[17:25] <nathaneltitane> does anyone know which qt5 package i need to get that build going?
[17:25] <CTxCB> I have a Samsung HM250JI 2.5" HDD (a Freecom ToughDrive USB Device) which doesn't spin down when trying to safely remove it, and sometimes Ubuntu freezes when reading / writing and I have to restart the device.
[17:25] <CTxCB> I'd like to install Ubuntu on to it, so any suggestions would be helpful.
[17:26] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: looks like libqt5opengl5-gles-dev
[17:26] <bokchoy> TJ-: thanks! :)
[17:26] <nathaneltitane> bokchoy: already installed
[17:26] <TJ-> bokchoy: I'm testing it in a container now; give me a mo (trying the 32-bit busybox-static)
[17:27] <bokchoy> thanks :)
[17:27] <nathaneltitane> bokchoy: that's gles btw, i need standard openGL
[17:28] <bokchoy> nathaneltitane: i think you mean to ping TJ-
[17:28] <nathaneltitane> oops
[17:29] <nathaneltitane> my bad
[17:29] <bokchoy> no worries :)
[17:29] <nathaneltitane> too many windows lol
[17:29] <nacc> nathaneltitane: what version of ubutu?
[17:29] <TJ-> bokchoy: busybox-static i386 works in a 64-bit 16.04 container
[17:29] <nathaneltitane> TJ: already installed, i need the standard opengl
[17:29] <ducasse> nacc: try libqt5opengl5-dev
[17:29] <nacc> nathaneltitane: --^
[17:29] <donofrio> StumpDumb, run it from "Terminal" and see what it's having an issue with
[17:29] <bokchoy> TJ-: thanks for the test :)
[17:30] <nathaneltitane> ducasse: already installed as well
[17:30] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: the other package with that file is libqt5opengl5-dev
[17:30] <nathaneltitane> locate only shows gl.h present for qt4 subdir
[17:30] <nacc> nathaneltitane: locate is the wrong command to use
[17:30] <nacc> nathaneltitane: that is saerchign your filesystem, not hte packages
[17:30] <nacc> nathaneltitane: use apt-file search
[17:30] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: if the project's ./configure isn't finding it you'll need to read the configure code, see how it is testing for it
[17:30] <nathaneltitane> tj
[17:31] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: alrigt
[17:31] <nacc> nathaneltitane: what version of ubuntu?
[17:31] <nacc> it would really help to answer that
[17:31] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: "dpkg -S qgl.h"
[17:32] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: seems like its  the gles package
[17:32] <nathaneltitane> ok gonna figure it out
[17:32] <nathaneltitane> thanks
[17:32] <nacc> my god. just answer the question.
[17:32] <nacc> it does actually matter
[17:33] <genii> nacc: Like pulling teeth, apparently
[17:33] <nacc> nathaneltitane: i'll ask one more time. What version of ubuntu?
[17:34] <nathaneltitane> 17.04
[17:34] <nathaneltitane> sorry
[17:34] <nathaneltitane> missed it
[17:34] <nacc> both libqt5opengl5-dev and libqt5opengl5-gles-dev ship that file
[17:34] <nacc>  /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtOpenGL/qgl.h for amd64
[17:34] <vaasu> hi, today I did a package upgrade, now I cannot connect to a wifi enterprise network (although it is visible). my kernel is 4.4.0-98-generic, Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. I manage to get the list of packages that were upgraded. It is available at http://paste.ubuntu.com/25982284/ . Have anyone noticed an issue with wifi today after an upgrade? Or are there known issues for the current upgrade in any of the packages mentioned?
[17:35] <nacc> nathaneltitane: and you cannot have both libqt5opengl5-gles-dev *and* libqt5opengl5-dev installed. They conflict/replace each other.
[17:36] <nacc> nathaneltitane: unless you manually did so, in which case, you are on your own.
[17:36] <nathaneltitane> i don't need gles, that'S for sure
[17:36] <TJ-> vaasu: any clues in /var/log/syslog - that's where Network Manager logs to
[17:36] <nathaneltitane> no no, all automated
[17:37] <nacc> nathaneltitane: ok. is libqt5opengl5-dev installed?
[17:37] <nathaneltitane> yes
[17:37] <nathaneltitane> let me attemt another build and see
[17:37] <nathaneltitane> brb
[17:37] <vaasu> TJ-: I am browsing through it. I wonder has anyone else reported such an issue.
[17:38] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: as I said, check the ./configure script. I've seen lots of these where they're not written with Debian/Ubuntu in mind and don't use the proper method for checking for the presence of -dev files
[17:38] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: debian/ubuntu is actually the main distro upon which it was developped
[17:38] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: what's the package ?
[17:39] <nathaneltitane> LDView, pulled from git
[17:40] <vaasu> I think I found the reason : syslog said 'state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets')'
[17:41] <vaasu> so perhaps the stored password is forgotten i guess?
[17:43] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: from https://github.com/tcobbs/ldview ?
[17:43] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: ya
[17:46] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: It's not using autoconf then. Looks like the only build instructions are for Windows in Build.txt.
[17:46] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: Peter bartfai is responsible of the linux part of it
[17:46] <nathaneltitane> the code for it is under QT
[17:47] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: you'll have to ask him then; it's not an Ubuntu issue as far as I can see
[17:47] <nathaneltitane> TJ: i'm aware, i just wanted to make sure there was nothing wrong with the requirements or packages
[17:47] <nathaneltitane> thanks
[17:48] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: the QT/debian/control only Depends on QT4; QT5 is commented out
[17:49] <sazawal> What is the command for desktop zoom-in, which has a keyboard shortcut of Alt+Super+8 (+/-) ?
[17:50] <StumpDumb> op, gotta run, try term later. thx
[17:51] <ducasse> sazawal: that's probably handled by the compositor rather than a separate program
[17:53] <ducasse> sazawal: you could try 'xzoom', though, if this is on x11 - it will probably not work on wayland
[17:54] <sazawal> ducasse, How do I find out if this is x11. Anyway, I will give xzoom a try now
[17:55] <nathaneltitane> TJ: just to make sure, how do i explicitly call the qt5 make
[17:55] <zarzar1> what's a good way to allow remote desktop connection to an ubuntu machine?
[17:56] <sazawal> ducasse, xzoom opened a new window which was zoomed in of my desktop. Can I zoom my desktop on my screen? just like Alt+Super+8 shortcut?
[17:56] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: The build system for that project is ... convoluted ... it's not clear and apparently not documented.
[17:57] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: thanks for pointing it out, i'M very much aware, i'M the main debug tester for the binaries
[17:57] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: ouch!
[17:57] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: yes
[17:57] <nathaneltitane> so, how do i explicitly call the qt% make commande if qt5-make is installed
[17:57] <nathaneltitane> qt5*
[17:57] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: "grep -rn qmake5 ." might give some clues and you can drill into it from there
[17:58] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: I saw some mention of it in if..else clauses
[17:58] <ducasse> sazawal: no, that is most likely done by the compositor itself, not an external program
[17:58] <TJ-> nathaneltitane: check the QT/debian/rules makefile for example
[17:59] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: sounds like qmake. probing my system gives me qmake and qmake-qt4
[17:59] <nathaneltitane> good
[18:00] <sazawal> ducasse, I see. I am actually looking for a button on gnome shell for zoom-in. Now I have to use the Accessibility drop down menu and then zoom in. It needs two clicks plus I dont use the other functions in Accessibility. I was thinking to develop a gnome-shell-extension for this button on the top panel.
[18:04] <ducasse> sazawal: the functionality is probably exposed somehow, but that is a gnome issue, not an ubuntu issue
[18:22] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: so it's been building on qt4 all along,, although i have all the qt5 build essentials - when i run qmake -v it returns qt4/bin/qmake as non existent
[18:22] <nathaneltitane> qt5 is detected by qtchooser but not used as default
[18:23] <catbehemoth> htop
[18:26] <nathaneltitane> TJ-: scrap that, found it under /usr/lib/x86_....
[18:28] <omgina> hello
[18:28] <omgina> how do i install gtent?
[18:28] <omgina> there is no such package?
[18:29] <ducasse> omgina: do you mean getent?
[18:29] <omgina> yes
[18:30] <ducasse> omgina: should be installed already
[19:01] <EgoAleSum> hello, what’s the equivalent of /etc/network/interfaces for 17.10?
[19:01] <EgoAleSum> (i need to set a static IP)
[19:04] <nacc> EgoAleSum: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man5/netplan.5.html
[19:04] <nacc> sorry, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/man5/netplan.5.html
[19:04] <EgoAleSum> nacc: thanks
[19:05] <BluesKaj> EgoAleSum, install ifupdown and the interfcaces file will work as pre-systemd for static Ip settings.DNS IPs must be setup in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[19:05] <EgoAleSum> BluesKaj: well, if the new way is to use netplan, i’ll use that
[19:05] <nacc> EgoAleSum: i believe you can do, `netplan configure <dev> ip <cidr>` `netplan apply`
[19:05] <EgoAleSum> nacc thallada
[19:05] <EgoAleSum> *nacc thanks!
[19:05] <nacc> EgoAleSum: (or edit the netplan files directly)
[19:06] <nacc> EgoAleSum: that's from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan/Design
[19:06] <BluesKaj> EgoAleSum, you don't need netplan
[19:06] <nacc> EgoAleSum: finally: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/05/quick-and-easy-network-configuration-with-netplan/
[19:06] <nacc> EgoAleSum: if you're on destkop, you can just use network-manager of course
[19:06] <EgoAleSum> nacc: no desktop :)
[19:10] <nacc> EgoAleSum: and as BluesKaj said, you do't need netplan necessarily
[19:10] <EgoAleSum> nacc: BluesKaj : i understand I don’t need it, but if it’s there i’ll just use it
[19:11] <nacc> EgoAleSum: yep, and you are right that, at least for server, it's the future for ubuntu
[19:11] <EgoAleSum> Interesting… after configuring the second NIC, now I can’t connect to SSH anymore
[19:14] <EgoAleSum> any idea what that could be?
[19:14] <EgoAleSum> i just get a timeout
[19:14] <EgoAleSum> SSH is active and listening on 0.0.0.0
[19:14] <EgoAleSum> iptables is off (meaning, no rules)
[19:14] <nacc> EgoAleSum: are you trying to connect on the correct IP?
[19:15] <nacc> EgoAleSum: -vvv may help you decipher what's going on (pass to ssh)
[19:15] <EgoAleSum> yes, same IP i was using before adding the 2nd NIC with static IP
[19:15] <nacc> EgoAleSum: ah your default route may have been modified
[19:15] <nacc> EgoAleSum: i wonder if that's what netplan did
[19:15] <EgoAleSum> nacc: just stuck in “connecting”
[19:15] <EgoAleSum> nacc: i see, let me check
[19:15] <nacc> EgoAleSum: as in, it may have taken down the other IP
[19:15] <EgoAleSum> nacc: yes, it added another gateway which should not have been added
[19:15] <nacc> EgoAleSum: yeah :/
[19:16] <nacc> EgoAleSum: there is probably configurability for it
[19:16] <nacc> EgoAleSum: but outside my knowledge
[19:16] <EgoAleSum> nacc: misconfiguration on my end
[19:16] <EgoAleSum> let me fix it and see if it works
[19:16] <nacc> EgoAleSum: i haven't spent much time on it -- there is supposed to be some wiki pages goign up eventually that describe this all in more detail
[19:16] <Sven_vB> my aptitude full-upgrade hangs since about 20 minutes. the current step seems to be (in pstree): aptitude(5593)─┬─dpkg(16845)───frontend(16920)───resolvconf.post(16928)───update-rc.d(16934)───insserv(16935) <-- and killall insserv seems to have no effect (its pid stays the same) even with -KILL. any idea how to make it continue?
[19:17] <EgoAleSum> nacc: i made a mistake and typed the wrong IP for gateway4
[19:17] <EgoAleSum> rebooting now
[19:17] <nacc> EgoAleSum: ah
[19:17] <nacc> EgoAleSum: yeah that'd break things :)
[19:17] <EgoAleSum> however, SSH still timing out
[19:18] <Sven_vB> (the hanging aptitude is on xenial)
[19:18] <nacc> EgoAleSum: are the routes better now?
[19:18] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[19:18] <EgoAleSum> nacc: https://imgur.com/a/sCeSb
[19:19] <EgoAleSum> they look fine to me
[19:19] <nacc> EgoAleSum: hrm, it's a bit odd to get two defaults, non?
[19:19] <nacc> *no
[19:19] <Dbugger> I am seeing the settings of "Sound" and in the "Output" tab I am seeing 2 options that I do not know very well what is the difference between them. One is "Line Out - Built-in Audio" and the other is "Digital Output (S/PDIF) - BUilt-in Audio". Does anyone know what are the differences and properties between this 2 options?
[19:19] <nacc> also, they overlap
[19:19] <EgoAleSum> nacc: that’s true, and yes they are meant to overlap
[19:19] <nacc> EgoAleSum: is your netmask wrong, possibly
[19:19] <EgoAleSum> they’re in the same network
[19:19] <nacc> EgoAleSum: ah ok
[19:20] <EgoAleSum> nacc: you’re right tho, there shouldn’t be a second gateway at all. let me see
[19:20] <nacc> EgoAleSum: yeah, that part looks off to me, even with an overlap
[19:20] <EgoAleSum> nacc: ok it works now :D
[19:21] <EgoAleSum> stupid me
[19:21] <nacc> EgoAleSum: cool!
[19:21] <EgoAleSum> failing networking 101
[19:21] <EgoAleSum> thanks!
[19:21] <nacc> EgoAleSum: yw, glad to help
[19:32] <navidr> Is there any iso for ubuntu available with X ? I am going to use just AwesomeWM and my configuration. So I don't need all those X
[19:42] <nacc> navidr: can you rephrase?
[19:42] <nacc> navidr: do you mean the X server?
[19:42] <nacc> navidr: you mean you want no desktop env by default?
[19:42] <navidr> nacc: yeap, I am not going to use it . I am just going to use Sway.
[19:42] <nacc> navidr: install server and then put stuff on top?
[19:43] <navidr> Sway window manager, which runs on top of Wayland ;) so there is no need for X11 at all.
[19:43] <navidr> nacc: I don't know anything about ubuntu community. I am migrating from Arch linux. So I just need minimum terminal
[19:43] <navidr> if Ubuntu server is that, then that is totally what I want
[19:43] <nacc> navidr: right, so istall server
[19:43] <nacc> navidr: or even the minimal iso
[19:44] <nacc> navidr: then just put whatever you want on top
[19:44] <navidr> nacc: what is the difference between minimal iso and Server?
[19:44] <nacc> navidr: one is minimal?
[19:44] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:44] <nacc> navidr: basically nothing is on the iso and all has to be downloaded
[19:45] <navidr> I didn't understand the last part, what was the difference between Ubuntu Minimal Iso and Ubuntu Server
[19:45] <nacc> navidr: given that sway and awesomewm are not in ubuntu, maybe you should be picking a different distro
[19:45] <TJ-> navidr: basically nothing == only the core parts
[19:45] <nacc> navidr: all ubuntu are the same, those are just different installation media
[19:45] <navidr> TJ-:  What about core parts?
[19:47] <navidr> nacc TJ-  thanks guys ;) that would be enough ;)
[19:47] <TJ-> navidr: kernel, init system, shell, standard library. if you want an ssh server you add it... etc. For the -server installer there's a little more pre-installed - a mailer I think for one, but ssh server is still an optional install (albeit from the ISO itself not via download)
[19:47] <navidr> TJ-: thanks so Minimal it is.
[19:48] <TJ-> navidr: minimec is great for PXE-style installs and for basic container images
[19:48] <puxavida> tatertotz, was was trying to get hibernate to work and a place mentioned turning secure boot off and I did that and rebooted and hibernate works, but so does wireless!!
[19:48] <TJ-> s/minimec/minimal/
[19:52] <TJ-> navidr: are you familiar with the apt package manager? you'll need that extensively to bring in additional packages. Also be aware that Ubuntu has repositories split based on the amount of support/maintainance the packages get: "main" == full support, "universe" (MOTU) -- best efforts mostly community, and "multiverse" less used packages with little or no support (except security patches). You'll also need to
[19:52] <TJ-> enable "universe" and "multiverse" separately I think, from the minimal install. For more info https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:53] <navidr> TJ-: awesome, thank you for wonderful information
[19:55] <nacc> navidr: really, the mini iso is just to get a 'minimal' install and to make the installer image itself (the iso) as small as possible
[19:56] <navidr> nacc: So it is just like Arch linux ;) I love Arch linux, but it is not as stable as I want !
[19:56] <nacc> navidr: never used arch, so don't know.
[19:56] <TJ-> we do stable... and stable doors... mostly after the bugs have bolted :p
[20:00] <gluon> navidr: i used arch linux for a long time and was even a package maintainer, but i simply have no time to keep a rolling release system in shape these days
[20:01] <gluon> i'm still power user, i simply appreciate a distro which picks sane defaults out of the box and doesn't upgrade in a rolling release fashion, so that i have time to do other interesting stuff
[20:01] <navidr> gluon: exactly, this is my situation today ;) starting Grad school I am not going to have time to fix when every update breaks something
[20:01] <gluon> yeah
[20:01] <gluon> it was good fun, but it took some time
[20:02] <navidr> gluon: kind of good learning experience ;)
[20:02] <gluon> indeed
[20:02] <navidr> gluon: you are using Ubuntu right now?
[20:02] <gluon> i am
[20:02] <gluon> 17.10
[20:02] <navidr> gluon: I wish there was something as minimal as Arch but with stability of ubuntu. I think ubuntu minimal is what I want ;)
[20:03] <gluon> yes, it's a good choice
[20:04] <ioria> navidr, consider mini.iso in efi mode might be tricky
[20:04] <gluon> it's the best of both worlds, navidr
[20:04] <navidr> ioria: What kind of tricky?
[20:04] <gluon> although i like what the full blown ubuntu offers anyway
[20:04] <ioria> navidr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[20:05] <konrados> Hi. In short, I right - clicked the "task bar", i.e. the "panel", and clicked panel options ->  remove  this panel. So the "panel" disappeared, so I right-clicked on the desktop and then add panel -> default panel. I hoped to get my old panel but it didn't work like that :(
 How to restore my "panel" or "task bar" however it is called?
[20:06] <ioria> navidr, and you can't use the workaround if you are 32 bit
[20:06] <konrados> I tried on #kde with no response :(
[20:06] <nacc> konrados: what happened when you added the panel?
[20:06] <nacc> konrados: it added the 'default' panel, but not the panel as you had it configured?
[20:06] <navidr> ioria: nope ;) I am on 64 bit ;)
[20:06] <konrados> nacc, yes!
[20:06] <nacc> konrados: that seems totally normal and expected. It's like you rm -rf'd your panel.
[20:06] <nacc> konrados: it's gone, you told it to go away.
[20:07] <ioria> navidr, i'd go with  csm legacy
[20:07] <konrados> nacc, ok, but... no.....  it can't be like that....
[20:07] <nacc> konrados: and addinng the default panel ... well, adds the default panel
[20:07] <gluon> i would also suggest using ubuntu server to install a minimal system
[20:07] <gluon> in a desktop
[20:07] <nacc> konrados: it doesn't restore some saved state, as there is no saved state (or i wouldn't assume there is)
[20:08] <nacc> konrados: it specifically adds the default panel back
[20:09] <konrados> nacc, it was a very shortened story. I had a button in a wrong place, it overlapped my task bar, so I wanted to remove it. Dragiiging and dropping didn't work, so I tried right-click - remove
[20:09] <konrados> ehhhh :(
[20:09] <konrados> it isn't clear for a newbie what we remove...............
[20:09] <nacc> konrados: backups are your friend
[20:09] <nacc> konrados: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=87112
[20:09] <navidr> gluon: the thing is it does install a little bit of junk which I am not going to use like mail server  and stuff .
[20:10] <ioria> navidr, server ? nope only if you select it
[20:10] <gluon> ahh, i would have thought you could fine tune what to install, i haven't installed ubuntu server in a while
[20:10] <navidr> ioria: that is good then
[20:10] <nacc> konrados: sorry i've never used kde, dunno. You can file a bug to make it harder to delete key stuff (or see if one is filed)
[20:10] <ioria> navidr, absolutely
[20:10] <gluon> yeah, then it's still like what i remember
[20:11] <nacc> konrados: but that would be up to the kubuntu devs to resolve
[20:15] <konrados> nacc, ok, thank you. I once talked to the 'kde' guys saying that it's pretty cool it's sooo customizable, but on the other hand it is sooooo unintuitive - I right click *something* and I want this *something* to be removed, I didn't plan to destroy entire world .....
[20:15] <nacc> konrados: yeah, I can imagine the frustration
[20:16] <nacc> konrados: it's possible that the state is stored somewhere inn ~/.kde# or whatever
[20:16] <nacc> konrados: but it's also very likely that by restoring the default panel, you trashed that state
[20:18] <konrados> nacc, thank you :P I feel a bit frustrated after yesterday my firefox upgraded, and removed most of my extensions, because "old". Firefox Quantum.  I'm now working on restoring my system even when I didn't actually want to do any changes
[20:19] <nacc> konrados: i believe that is one of the consequences of the new FF, yeah -- old extensions simply may not work (and are most likely going to crash FF if enabled)
[20:20] <konrados> nacc, yes... they decided to go with the "Web Extension" and totally kill the non-compatible ones, it's just that it all happened in the last 24h and I'm a bit grumpy.
[20:21] <nacc> konrados: sorry to hear that
[20:23] <konrados> nacc, thanks, I feel better now, really. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, things happen. I'm just too nervous. Thank you, and have a good weekend! :P
[20:23] <nacc> konrados: you do the same!
[20:28] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there - would anyone be able to give me some assistance making a meny entry for a live disk I have?
[20:28] <shazbotmcnasty> there's a vesamenu.c32, a vmlinux, an initrd.lz, and a casper folder
[20:29] <shazbotmcnasty> I have it currently set up booting the iso with a memdisk, but once booted i get "unable-to-find-a-medium-containing-a-live-file-system" so i'm trying it extracted
[20:33] <ioria> shazbotmcnasty, try with grub-imageboot
[20:34] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm not sure what that means
[20:34] <shazbotmcnasty> it's a menu entry on a pxe server
[20:34] <ioria> shazbotmcnasty, ah, i thought you weanted to boot a livecd from grub ... sy
[20:34] <shazbotmcnasty> thanks though :)
[20:34] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: what does the kernel try to load?
[20:34] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: what is it  you are trying to boot?
[20:34] <shazbotmcnasty> I think I might have to convert the initrd.lz to a gz
[20:35] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: this doesn't really seem like ubuntu support :)
[20:35] <shazbotmcnasty> it doesn't really - i mean the pxe server is ubuntu - but I'm not sure who to ask, i was kinda hoping someone that was good with menu entries would offer assistance and we'd bring it to a query
[20:35] <ioria> shazbotmcnasty, .gz is not on desktop ed
[20:35] <klausplusone> hey, can somebody help me with something
[20:36] <Aven> klausplusone: ask
[20:36] <klausplusone> I run live ubuntu and want to format my usb to ntfs to put a file on it and I format it with gparted but it sets it to read-only
[20:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: so the pxe booted isntaller complains about ot finding a live fs but doesn't try to load a live fs?
[20:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i call fib :)
[20:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: if you check the pxe server's logs, you'll see an RRQ for something
[20:36] <shazbotmcnasty> no u
[20:36]  * Aven throws in the towel
[20:37] <shazbotmcnasty> oh I've only tried the .iso version - it boots up fine
[20:37] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: surely you need to load/unpack a squashfs image ?
[20:37] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm, not sure where to start with this new menu entry
[20:37] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: what?
[20:37] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: i feel like you are contradicting yourself now ...
[20:37] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: are you using an .iso or not?
[20:37] <klausplusone> can somebody tell me how I'm supposed to format it?
[20:37] <shazbotmcnasty> it's an extracted iso
[20:38] <nacc> klausplusone: you can't write to the live usb fs by default
[20:38] <shazbotmcnasty> now... before I was using a not extracted iso and using a memdisk
[20:38] <klausplusone> I boot from CD
[20:38] <klausplusone> I wrote to my other usb
[20:38] <nacc> klausplusone: oh sorry, so you have two USB?
[20:38] <klausplusone> yes
[20:38] <klausplusone> two usb and cd
[20:39] <klausplusone> I managed to write the acronis iso to my other usb and it got locked again
[20:39] <nacc> klausplusone: why are you using ntfs on a usb drive?
[20:39] <klausplusone> to read-only
[20:39] <klausplusone> because I want to put my acronis image to restore my os
[20:39] <nacc> klausplusone: if you are putting an image on it, why are you puttinng a fs on it?
[20:39] <nacc> klausplusone: i thinnk you're misundresatnding something or not communicatinng something clearly
[20:39] <klausplusone> ill try again
[20:39] <klausplusone> im pissed off
[20:40] <klausplusone> I have an acronis backup image of my windows os and I managed to create a bootable usb with acronis, but I need to put the acronis image on the flash drive
[20:40] <klausplusone> the second usb is empty but even after format its always read only
[20:41] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: afaict, you're telling your victim to boot a kernel annd initrd and not telling it what filesystem to use for root. That has to be passed as well (typically this in the menuentry like root=live: ... or whatever (iirc)
[20:41] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: but taht squashfs file eeds to be present to tftp over
[20:42] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: are you just trying to backup the backup image?
[20:42] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: or are you tryign to make the second usb a copy of the backup image?
[20:42] <klausplusone> me or him
[20:42] <nacc> err, klausplusone --^
[20:42] <nacc> sorry
[20:42] <klausplusone> no
[20:42] <grantwu> Just to confirm, there's no way to file a bug against how a PPA is packaged, is there?
[20:42] <klausplusone> the acronis image is on my hard drive
[20:42] <grantwu> I should just contact the PPA maintainer?
[20:42] <klausplusone> i need to move it to my usb
[20:42] <nacc> grantwu: complain to the ppa maintainer
[20:42] <klausplusone> but it dont let me
[20:43] <grantwu> nacc: got it
[20:43] <klausplusone> its a tib file
[20:43] <nacc> klausplusone: did you try mounting the usb read-write?
[20:43] <klausplusone> how do I do that
[20:43] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: does the menu-entry's kernel command-line contain "boot=casper" ?
[20:44] <nacc> klausplusone: sudo mount -o remount,rw /path/to/usb/dev/node
[20:44] <nacc> klausplusone: that assumes it's moounted
[20:44] <nacc> klausplusone: is it mounted read-only or has the device gone read-only?
[20:44] <klausplusone> i dont know bro i hate this os
[20:44] <klausplusone> seriously
[20:44] <klausplusone> ill try that now
[20:44] <klausplusone> its mounted as read only probably as the usb is working correctly
[20:45] <TJ-> There used to be issues with some flakey USB flash mass storage 'thumb drives' where the hardware would go read-only after being formatted
[20:45] <Symmetria> mmm what was the last verison of ubuntu to support a 3.x kernel
[20:46] <nacc> Symmetria: 14.04 still supports one
[20:46] <nacc> Symmetria: why?
[20:46] <Nitrigaur> Running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, auto-update fails and quickly displays something about python-zope interface missing newline
[20:46] <Symmetria> heh just dropping back to it - I see 14.04 by default on the latest releases image is 4.x
[20:46] <nacc> klausplusone: why are you doig this from a live ubuntu cd?
[20:46] <Symmetria> nacc heh I have a need for 3.x - some pretty specific software
[20:46] <klausplusone> this doesnt work
[20:46] <klausplusone> because
[20:47] <Nitrigaur> This error does not appear in my apt log
[20:47] <nacc> Symmetria: you want 14.04.1
[20:47] <klausplusone> i didnt know it is such a big deal to format 2 usb drives
[20:47] <klausplusone> why would somebody program it that even after format it remains read-only is beyond me
[20:48] <klausplusone>  i managed to burn acronis to my other usb somehow dont know how it happened
[20:48] <klausplusone> so it has a way of working
[20:48] <ioria> Symmetria, i  don't think trusty has a 4.x kernel
[20:48] <leftyfb> klausplusone: if you ever imaged that usb drive with an iso or image file, you might have to delete the partition table and repartition it before formatting.
[20:48] <klausplusone> its a different usb
[20:48] <ioria> Symmetria, oh, sy... yes 4.4
[20:48] <leftyfb> klausplusone: either way, you do not need to format a usb drive to image it with an iso or image file. That's not necessary. The filesystem is part of the image.
[20:49] <klausplusone> am I not explaining this or something I dont know
[20:49] <Symmetria> ioria heh 14.04.5 is 4.4 - its fine - I just dropped back to 3.x
[20:49] <klausplusone> I have a TIB image that I want to put on the usb , just copy it there
[20:49] <ioria> Symmetria, ok
[20:49] <klausplusone> how do I put it on the usb if its not formatted
[20:50] <leftyfb> ah, you need the image file copied to the usb, not to boot from said usb but to be used as the source file of the image
[20:50] <klausplusone> yes
[20:50] <klausplusone> I have another usb with bootable acronis
[20:50] <leftyfb> klausplusone: still, I would try using gparted to recreate the partition table
[20:50] <klausplusone> but after I made it bootable it became readonly too
[20:50] <klausplusone> it doesnt work
[20:51] <leftyfb> klausplusone: under "Device" - > "Create partition table"
[20:51] <klausplusone> I mean I re-create it, delete the partition and create it again and it is always read only
[20:51] <TJ-> TIB == True Image Backup... apparently a disk image but probably has metadata attached
[20:51] <klausplusone> like
[20:51] <leftyfb> klausplusone: where do you see it as read-only?
[20:51] <klausplusone> it dont let me put stuff on it
[20:51] <TJ-> klausplusone: are you going to use the acronis software to extract the image from USB TIB file later? or you want to extract the TIB image to be bootable on the USB?
[20:52] <klausplusone> lol
[20:52] <leftyfb> klausplusone: can you pastebin the terminal with the commands you're using and the error?
[20:52] <klausplusone> I cant explain it any clearer than this sorry
[20:52] <leftyfb> klausplusone: can you pastebin the terminal with the commands you're using and the error?
[20:53] <klausplusone> I copy my file
[20:53] <klausplusone> click paste on the usb and it says this device is read only
[20:53] <klausplusone> I tried to copy it there with sudo -i in the terminal and it still didnt work
[20:53] <puxavida> tatertotz, actually it's hibernate that enables wifi.  I rebooted and wifi disappeared.  I then hibernated then came back out and wifi came back again.  ??
[20:53] <leftyfb> can you try it within a terminal so we can possibly get more detailed errors?
[20:54] <TJ-> puxavida: common issue; caused by the motherboard's ACPI DSDT having bugs
[20:54] <TJ-> puxavida: highly likely the fix is as I document it here https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:55] <leftyfb> klausplusone: you could try running df to get the device location of the mount and try remounting as r/w. Something like: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda /media/my_usb
[20:56] <TJ-> klausplusone: possibly silly question but: once you've partitioned and formatted with NTFS on the USB, have you tried unmount/removing it and then re-inserting it?
[20:56] <Symmetria> seems trying to drop back to 3.x from 14.04.5 was a bad idea lol - screw it - installing 14.04.1 and will then just upgrade without upgrading the kernel
[20:56] <klausplusone> i have it doesnt work
[20:56] <klausplusone> leftyfb I tried that too found it on some forum and it didnt work
[20:56] <klausplusone> commands yield no output
[20:56] <TJ-> klausplusone: OK, so that tells us the issue isn't transient
[20:57] <klausplusone> ill just
[20:57] <leftyfb> klausplusone: sounds like the usb drive might be bad then
[20:57] <klausplusone> leave it for tomorrow
[20:57] <klausplusone> its not bad
[20:57] <TJ-> klausplusone: are you currently working from a Live ISO or an installed Ubuntu?
[20:57] <klausplusone> its live
[20:57] <klausplusone> but
[20:57] <klausplusone> ill just leave it for tomorrow because my computer might suffer
[20:57] <leftyfb> klausplusone: also, if you hate this OS so much, why can't you boot to your preferred OS and format it that way?
[20:57] <klausplusone> if I hang around it a little bit longer
[20:57] <klausplusone> because this cd is the only one I have
[20:58] <klausplusone>  had a lot of rescue utilities on my flash drive but had to format it
[20:58] <klausplusone> besides everything I wanted to do was just format two usb drives
[20:58] <klausplusone> lol how hard does that sound
[20:58] <TJ-> klausplusone: it would help to show us "pasteinbinit <( sudo parted -l print; cat /proc/mounts )"
[20:58] <klausplusone> anyway thanks a lot ill figure it out tomorrow
[20:58] <TJ-> oh typos grrr @ fingers
[20:59] <TJ-> klausplusone: it would help to show us "pastebinit <( sudo parted -l print; cat /proc/mounts )"
[20:59] <klausplusone> sorry I'm getting headaches
[20:59] <klausplusone> I was installing mac on this pos earlier
[20:59] <klausplusone> been dealing with it for like 12 hours
[20:59] <klausplusone> Im calling it a day
[21:00] <klausplusone> appreciate the advices from all three of you , have a nice night
[21:02] <Symmetria> ugh lol man this is getting painful - heh the ubuntu installation for 3.x doesnt find my 10G nics by default heh and since Im installing via a drac - gonna have remote mount some stuff so get drivers onto it before I can do anything
[21:02] <Symmetria> new hardware - stupid software that doesnt use 4.x kernels - royal pain in the backside
[21:03] <TJ-> Symmetria: what prevents the later kernel with the hardware support from being used?
[21:03] <Symmetria> tj heh customized network drivers that won't compile under 4.x - and Im very hesitant to start screwing around with junipers network drivers :)
[21:03] <Symmetria> could probably hack them to a point where they do compile but heh - that will result in support issues
[21:04] <TJ-> Symmetria: out-of-tree stuff then?
[21:05] <TJ-> Symmetria: not sure what you're aiming for, but have you thought about installing a basic hypervisor 4.x kernel on bare metal and passing through the NICs to a guest VM with kernel 3.3 or whatever you need?
[21:06] <Symmetria> TJ in an ideal world - I'll end up srv-io running on the thing anyway - the problem is - junos checks the compatibility of its drivers iwth the linux drivers before it fires that up - basically what I'm doing btw is firing up virtual rotuers - high end virtual routers (40+ gigabit/second throughput stuff)
[21:07] <TJ-> Symmetria: ahhh, got you.
[21:17] <Symmetria> lol - I generated an ISO file for what I needed to get on that box and remote mounted the ISO file through the drac and am now waiting for it to untar a 5gig tar file via a remote mounted iso through a drac *snore* this could take a while
[21:18] <TJ-> disagregation is a wonderful thing :)
[21:25] <shazbotmcnasty> TJ-: yes it does - i got it to boot half way - it got just as far as it did with just booting the iso with a memdisk
[21:27] <shazbotmcnasty> Here's the menu entry i have: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a8b60e5389c92f0b8758a571a4200353
[21:27] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm still getting "(initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[21:30] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: you're live media is a physical disk?
[21:30] <nacc> *your
[21:30] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: the very first thing I'd ask is this: in the initrd, is udev configured to create the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ symbolic links? I'd boot it with the addition of "break=mountroot" so it drops you to a shell inside the initrd; from there you can check
[21:31] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: "grep maybe_break /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init" will show you all the possible "break=" values that are valid to drop to a shell inside the initrd at different stages
[21:31] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: no, i got that menu entry from the live disk itself in a txt.cfg and tested it out and it gets just as far as it did just booting the iso
[21:32] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: right, and that's wrong.
[21:32] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: the live disk is for booting *off* the disk
[21:32] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: you are not, so it makes no sense to have the live-media be the disk
[21:32] <shazbotmcnasty> it does the same thing with or without that part
[21:32] <TJ-> shazbotmcnasty: it looks like ../by-uuid/D0D7-DFF8 is a FAT32 file-system, is this a USB device?
[21:32] <shazbotmcnasty> TJ-: it's supposed to be
[21:32] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: right, because it's wrog
[21:33] <shazbotmcnasty> nacc: ok.
[21:33] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: if you are pxe booting a device, that does not have said USB key plugged in
[21:33] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: are you?
[21:33] <shazbotmcnasty> no.
[21:33] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: so the device you are pxe booting has the usb device plugged in?
[21:34] <shazbotmcnasty> i said no.
[21:34] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: ok, then your pxe menu *cannot* refer to said usb device
[21:35] <shazbotmcnasty> that part of the entry has been removed, which made no difference
[21:36] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: right, which is also wrong, now you're not tellig ti where to find the live media at all
[21:37] <shazbotmcnasty> so what should it say?
[21:38] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: that depends on the to-be-installed system and what it expects
[21:38] <nacc> shazbotmcnasty: afaict, that's not ubuntu, so i don't know
[21:48] <dedze> Hi, I ran lsof /dev/video0 and noticed that the following warning disappear, should I worry??: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tracefs file system /sys/kernel/debug/tracing
[21:49] <dedze> Also, I came back to my laptop after going outside for at least 30 minutes and ubuntu didnt suspend but it did suspend many times before after a few minutes (it didnt go dark screen and ask my password). It is a fresh install from less than two days ago.
[21:50] <dedze> Could it be that my system was already hacked and someone changed my power settings and somehow is preventing me from monitoring my camera uses?
[21:50] <moffa> Anyone have experience adding static routes in netplan?  The documentation doesn't work
[21:51] <nacc> dedze: you seem very paranoid.
[21:51] <nacc> dedze: there is no reason (afaict) to jump to a hack
[21:51] <dedze> nacc: I am extremely paranoid
[21:53] <nacc> dedze: ok, it's hard to support you -- we genuinely do not know if you have been hacked. It seems very unlikely.
[21:53] <nacc> dedze: it might be easier to not use a computer than to be worried about that all the time.
[21:53] <alexas> i have an endless 'connecting to network' status through all interfaces, wireless or not, how to debug?
[21:54] <dedze> nacc: Sorry about this
[21:54] <nacc> alexas: endless from where?
[21:55] <alexas> nacc: endless from network manager it stuck connecting for some time then show disconnect and start all over again
[21:55] <nacc> dedze: nothinng to apologize for, it's just not a support topic -- coming in here every few days like the world is ending about being hacked :)
[21:55] <nacc> alexas: i believe nm logs to syslog, you could see what it's doing
[21:55] <nacc> alexas: if it's uanble to conenct over wifi, it might keep retryig
[21:56] <alexas> nacc: even i disable the wifi and connect wireless or bluetooth it still the same
[21:57] <alexas> last time it resolve itself but then system freezed and after hard reboot it is still the same
[21:57] <alexas> nacc: i did not understand what the other logs you suggest beside syslog to look at, please
[21:57] <nacc> alexas: if you disable the wifi how are you conected to wireless?
[21:57] <nacc> alexas: syslog is the only one i know of for NM
[21:57] <alexas> i have a wireless bluetooth modem and module for example nacc
[21:58] <nacc> alexas: i don't know, sorry
[22:02] <alexas> can someone tell me how to reduce syslog to the size of less then 500 kb so i will be able to host it?
[22:04] <EriC^^> alexas: how big is it now?
[22:05] <alexas> EriC^^: 550
[22:05] <alexas> kb
[22:06] <EriC^^> alexas: just do "sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999" and you should be good
[22:08] <alexas> EriC^^: your solution seems to imply that machine the logs at have an internet connection, apparently - as i can see the url - but it is not having it so i got nc error as host not known
[22:09] <EriC^^> alexas: how were you going to host it?
[22:10] <alexas> i will put the file to another machine and then do it EriC^^
[22:12] <nacc> alexas: 'put to another machine' and then run nc termbin.com from there
[22:20] <xcyclist> I'm trying to install skype on 16.04, but I tried two sets of directions, both failing.
[22:24] <alexas> xcyclist: i have the same problem some time ago, i was trying to install the old verison of it, apparently there is a newer one, please check it carefully
[22:25] <xcyclist> Okay, so look for newer one where?
[22:26] <alexas> skype.com
[22:26] <alexas> the only way where to look for it I suppose
[22:26] <nacc> xcyclist: where did you install it from?
[22:27] <xcyclist> Only thing I could find on skype.com was an rpm.
[22:28] <akik> xcyclist: https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/
[22:28] <xcyclist> Now I cannot find it again.  I was googling ubuntu skype.
[22:28] <akik> xcyclist: it's called skypeforlinux
[22:29] <xcyclist> The only thing that comes up there for me is an rpm.
[22:29] <nacc> xcyclist: it's a dropdownn.
[22:30] <akik> i get a "get skype for linux deb" button
[22:31] <xcyclist> Ok.  Now I got it.
[22:36] <alexas> how can I screen the process/program that already is running in terminal?
[22:43] <TJ-> alexas: sounds like an ACPI issue. what make/model is the PC?
[22:44] <alexas> TJ-: laptop thinkpad l520
[22:49] <TJ-> alexas: which ubuntu version is it?
[22:50] <alexas> TJ-: Ubuntu 17.10
[22:51] <TJ-> alexas: can you do "lspci -nnk -d  ::0280" and tell us if you see anything reported. if you do, tell is the device name/model number
[22:52] <alexas> will do sec
[22:54] <alexas> TJ-: here is what is there: https://0bin.net/paste/dkNOaiwYqLLUFr27#FpLOLZupSfN9ZYs39gdiTfnAtD06FTQ79w+4LXOIz85
[22:55] <TJ-> alexas: aha! that device is known to have a lot of problems currently. Let me see if I can find indications of fixes
[22:56] <alexas> TJ-: thanks!
[22:58] <jfcaron> So a fresh 16.04 LTS install with Firefox crashes immediately if you go to maps.google.com. =\
[22:59] <jfcaron> Well, the "tab" crashes.
[22:59] <swatto> Good Evening all, I am new to linux, would you recommend I install an AV product?
[23:00] <jfcaron> AV?  Audio-visual?  I suggest VLC.
[23:00] <swatto> sorry I mean antivirus
[23:00] <jfcaron> Oh, no probably not.
[23:01] <swatto> ok cool ty
[23:01] <DaemonFC> Well, with Windows it's basically just a matter of time before you get a screen saying your files are encrypted and they want bitcoins or else. I personally know of several people this has happened to, so it's not rare on that side of the fence I take it.
[23:02] <DaemonFC> I haven't used antivirus on GNU/Linux since 1997 (when I first used it) and nothing has ever happened because I didn't have it.
[23:02] <DaemonFC> Obviously, don't go installing tons of software from random websites and keep your system up to date.
[23:02] <TJ-> alexas: 17.10 is on the 4.13 kernel which is quite recent and most bugs should be worked out. However, I read that there can still be issues with devices that use MIMO (2 or more antennas) that still exist. Right now I think seeing  /var/log/syslog (or /var/log/kern.log or output from 'dmesg') would help the most in trying to identify why the issue is happening.
[23:03] <DaemonFC> TJ-, I've been having shutdown and restart problems on 17.10.
[23:03] <swatto> I've created some aliases to update the system in one command and clean up redundant packages.
[23:03] <TJ-> DaemonFC: have you applied the common ACPI OSI fix?
[23:04] <DaemonFC> Pressing the shutdown button in GNOME Shell, it takes like 20 seconds for the shutdown box to show up and then there's a wifi issue that says "can't remove key" something something. I didn't solve that one, but I did set systemd to give up and shut down the computer anyway after 5 seconds.
[23:04] <DaemonFC> TJ-, I'd imagine it's a bug in Ubuntu somewhere since this never happens under Fedora.
[23:05] <DaemonFC> Possibly two bugs.
[23:11] <GrandPa-G> I am trying to install Java on 16.04 server. I do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java and get a lot of warnings and then need to continue and get output from gpg and then stops. What next?
[23:11] <GrandPa-G> output http://paste.ubuntu.com/25984190/
[23:14] <TJ-> DaemonFC: I read of some remaining apparmor bugs causing shutdown issues
[23:14] <GrandPa-G> I got jre so I will see if it works for me.
[23:15] <blkadder> GrandPa-G: Those aren’t errors.
[23:15] <blkadder> It’s installing the gpg key for the repo successfully
[23:16] <GrandPa-G> blkadder:ok, How stupid of me, that was just a repository add. DUH!
[23:16] <DaemonFC> TJ-, I don't think Apparmor would affect me, with it being off.
[23:17] <DaemonFC> (Mainline kernel.) Of course the shutdown problems happen with the Ubuntu kernel as well.
[23:17] <DaemonFC> If it is a kernel issue, that likely means that it's got something to do with a config option that Ubuntu has set.
[23:17] <TJ-> DaemonFC: have you tried an alternate desktop env? sounds like it could be gnome-related
[23:18] <TJ-> the apparmor in-kernel issues were the ones I was thinking of
[23:18] <DaemonFC> Could be, but Fedora 27 uses GNOME 3.26 as well.
[23:18] <DaemonFC> Could be an Ubuntu patch on GNOME.
[23:18] <TJ-> ha! not tailored like Ubuntu's though. A lot can be down to config
[23:18] <DaemonFC> Fedora doesn't like carrying a ton of patches against upstream.
[23:19] <DaemonFC> If something isn't going into upstream very soon, Fedora doesn't apply the patch.
[23:19] <TJ-> I tried to run a VM earlier with 17.10 to reproduce a bug... hit several show-stoppers and still didn't get it installed :)
[23:25] <DaemonFC> Nightmarishly long patchsets make trying to figure out what Ubuntu is doing.....difficult at best.
[23:32] <dsc_> How can I see if I'm using unity or gnome
[23:34] <dsc_> guess i'm using gnome from the amount of gnome-* files in /usr/bin :P
[23:35] <DaemonFC> dsc_, Not really. Unity is just a shell. It uses a lot of GNOME apps.
[23:36] <DaemonFC> In the top left corner, does it say "Activities"?
[23:36] <dsc_> It does
[23:36] <DaemonFC> GNOME
[23:36] <dsc_> aight
[23:36] <dsc_> where can I modify how windows look etc?
[23:37] <DaemonFC> GNOME Tweaks
[23:37] <dsc_> for example; I'm used to dragging windows by holding 'left-alt + mouse1' in LXDE
[23:37] <dsc_> doesn't seem to work here :P
[23:38] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure if there's a way to make Mutter do that or not.
[23:38] <dsc_> alright
[23:38] <dsc_> how do you organize windows?
[23:38] <dsc_> is there a grid system?
[23:38] <DaemonFC> Most of the advanced settings are hidden in either GNOME Tweaks or Dconf-Editor.
[23:38] <DaemonFC> It's to keep people from hosing their desktop and then wondering how to fix it. ;)
[23:39] <dsc_> hehe
[23:39] <dsc_> I just hosed my whole debian install, hence my switch to ubuntu :P
[23:39] <dsc_> dist-upgrade after a night out ... dont drink and linux :|
[23:41] <Bashing-om> dsc_: Off hand I do not recall how I set the work spaces .. was a setting . but then a mouse to the right edge displayes the workspaces one can select .
[23:42] <dsc_> Bashing-om: Ah, dragging windows to the edge of the screen makes them follow a grid
[23:43] <dsc_> also, <super> + left mouse = drag windows
[23:43] <dsc_> which is what I was looking for :)
[23:43] <Bashing-om> dsc_: gmome3 is differnt . a lot to re-learn .. I back and prefer xfce for my use case .
[23:43] <dsc_> Yeah I come from lxde/xfce
[23:44] <dsc_> this dconf-editor is handy.
[23:44] <dsc_> beats openbox :P
[23:45] <Bashing-om> dsc_: While I admire and appreciate gnome -- I do .. I have xubuntu on an SSD as my work horse .
[23:45] <DaemonFC`> I'd probably use something else except that HiDPI support is still iffy or not present in most desktops.
[23:45] <dsc_> Yeah I still run lxde/debian9 for work
[23:46] <dsc_> ah.
[23:46] <dsc_> but this 17.10 is quite fancy :)
[23:58] <gogeta> xfce for the win