[02:31] <Pedro_> Bonjour je voudrais installer lubuntu mais j édité entre la version 16.04lts et 17.10 que me conseillez vous
[02:33] <krytarik> !fr | Pedro_
[02:34] <Pedro_> #ununtu.fr
[02:34] <Pedro_> Rejoindre#unbutu-qc
[07:52] <oldpc> hello
[07:54] <oldpc> i need a operating system for my old pc and i got told that lubuntu was a ligth operating system and i checked it but i did not like the UI with the system.
[07:54] <oldpc> is there a way to customize the system?
[13:58] <Tig3rzhark> I have an asus eee 1005 hab netbook.  I just upgraded lubuntu to 17.10.  When I started up my computer, only part of the screen showed up and the rest of the other side was garbled.  Does anyone know how to solve this problem?  Or is this a bug that we have to wait for an update for?
[14:10] <demophobia> Tig3rzhark, have you tried askubuntu.com ?
[14:10] <Tig3rzhark> I haven't tried it yet.
[14:14] <Tig3rzhark> I just tried it, and no response has been given to another person that's had a similar problem.
[14:15] <Tig3rzhark> I've had to restart my computer and hit Esc and go into advance settings to startup the operating system properly.
[14:31] <demophobia> perhaps try using 16.04 a bit longer
[16:57] <rt1> Hi everyone. I'm new to lubuntu and want to downgrade the kernel cause on my even newer old machine mint xfce worked way better with kernel 4.4 . How do I do this on lubuntu? strangely I didn't find a result on ddg...
[17:20] <rt1> so nobody?
[17:20] <LioneLL> synaptic
[17:32] <rt1> uhh thanks LioneLL.
[17:57] <HecticZA> Noob trying to install LuBuntu 17.10 alternate version on low spec and old laptop.(compaq nx7010 with 512MB ram. Error message: warning: PAE disabled. ...eventually say u
[17:58] <HecticZA> unable to boot. Please use a kernel appropiate for your cpu.
[18:00] <krytarik> !pae
[18:00] <HecticZA> Thank you.
[19:15] <rt1> hi again
[19:16] <rt1> so still trying to downgrade the kernel. on synaptic it says I'd need to force the version on the kernel package but that option isn't available. What am I doing wrong?
[19:20] <tsimonq2> rt1: Hey there
[19:21] <tsimonq2> Which Lubuntu release is this, and why do you need to downgrade the kernel?
[19:23] <mrchuckderp> Hello!
[19:23] <rt1> hey tsimonq2. It's the 17.10 release and I figure this ancient p4 pc will work better with a 4.4 kernel cause my other 2 years younger p4 also runs more smoothly on said version under mint xfce. Right now I'm installing the lowlatency packages, but still, got a hint on how to achieve my goal?
[19:23] <tsimonq2> rt1: How do you figure it's the kernel? :)
[19:24] <mrchuckderp> If I install Lubuntu 17.10 to a 32GB usb flash drive, (like I am currently doing), would it be good to use 20GB on / and the remaining 12GB on /home?
[19:24] <mrchuckderp> and if I do should I install the actual "boot loader" to the usb drive in general or to a specific partition?
[19:25] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: With a drive that small, I'd keep it all in one partition
[19:25] <mrchuckderp> Okay
[19:25] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: And the boot loader goes on the actual drive itseldf
[19:25] <tsimonq2> *itself
[19:26] <mrchuckderp> ok thanks
[19:26] <tsimonq2> Yw :)
[19:26] <mrchuckderp> I'm planning on having a second 16GB drive also for extra storage or swap
[19:26] <mrchuckderp> cuz I'm planning on using Blender quite a bit and that uses a bit of ram
[19:27] <rt1> tsimong2: As I said, it's my experience that older machines run work better with older kernels. my notebook also works better (no black screen after shutting the lid, most the time) with 4.8 instead of 4.10. I can't speak as to why, just my user experience.
[19:27] <mrchuckderp> So you're saying just put all 32 on /
[19:28] <tsimonq2> rt1: mrchuckderp yeah
[19:28] <tsimonq2> grr
[19:28] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: yeah
[19:28] <mrchuckderp> alright let's see how this goes :D
[19:29] <mrchuckderp> loving 17.10 so far btw
[19:29] <tsimonq2> rt1: Try getting the kernel sources from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel for Xenial and building them
[19:29] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Glad to hear :D
[19:29] <tsimonq2> rt1: If you need help at all along the way, let me know
[19:29] <tsimonq2> (but there's no already complied packages for you to grab)
[19:32] <rt1> tsimong2 hmm thats not gonna work for me then right now. I thought that lubuntu was aimed at low ressourced eg. old pcs? How then would one expect that no downgrades be necessary to fix regressions in newer kernels?
[19:32] <tsimonq2> rt1: We don
[19:32] <tsimonq2> grr
[19:32] <tsimonq2> We don't do kernel stuff ourself.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> And yes, it's aimed at low resource PCs, but downgrading kernels is not something we support, rt1.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> (Although you can do it, and I linked you to the instructions for it.)
[19:34] <tsimonq2> rt1: One other thing you could do is add xenial-updates to your sources.list and do Apt pinning: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning
[19:34] <tsimonq2> rt1: But this could break something due to the different toolchains used to build the package.
[19:35] <tsimonq2> (which is why I linked you to what I did earlier, so you can build the older kernel against the new toolchain, therefore reducing any problems caused by that)
[19:35] <mrchuckderp> I doubt anyone here has any idea about what to do with this, but I have an old PC from maybe 12 years ago and it recently quit working. I unplugged the hard drives and booted up from lubuntu to see what would happen, and it worked. and then a few months ago it just stopped working. it'll turn on but it seems the bios just broke or something. just throwing that there in case anyone knows what I could possibly do lol
[19:36] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: What do you mean by "the bios just broke or something"?
[19:36] <tsimonq2> Like, what does it do?
[19:37] <rt1> thank you tsmimong2 I just looked at the first link and it seems doable at first glance so I saved the link and will go back to it when I have the brainspace available ;)
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Ok cool, let me know how it goes
[19:38] <tsimonq2> rt1: p.s., you can use Tab in IRC to autocomplete highlighting of nicks ;)
[19:38] <mrchuckderp> but yeah I plan on mainly using the new lubuntu installation for 3d modeling and web browsing. maybe other things like moving music files and pictures around but that's it.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: cool cool :)
[19:39] <rt1> just hitting tab? doenst do anything visible right now
[19:39] <tsimonq2> rt1: like tsi<Tab> should autocomplete to tsimonq2
[19:40] <rt1> mrchuckderp, did the whole pc just stop working? then I'd check to see if the elkos (missing english word for it) on the mainboard may have burst
[19:42] <mrchuckderp> I push the power button and the motherboard lights up like it usually does but there are no beeps like there are usually and nothing shows up on the monitor, like a boot screen
[19:44] <mrchuckderp> elkos appears to be the capacitor
[19:46] <mrchuckderp> Darn it once again
[19:47] <mrchuckderp> I was installing again and for the 4th time (first for 17.10) it says "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into / taget/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot"
[19:47] <mrchuckderp> And when I push OK to the box the installer crashes
[19:48] <tsimonq2> O___o
[19:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^^^
[19:48] <mrchuckderp> *sigh*
[19:53] <mrchuckderp> I just wanted lubuntu xD
[19:55] <mrchuckderp> well now what? got any suggestions for getting a boot loader on the installation?
[19:55] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Grub is the last step fwiw
[19:55] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:55] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Doing that should fix it.
[19:56] <mrchuckderp> ok
[19:57] <mrchuckderp> Should I do recommended repair?
[20:02] <mrchuckderp> and now the terminal won't let me input a command
[20:03] <mrchuckderp> computers hate me lol
[20:03] <tsimonq2> Recommended repair, yeah
[20:04] <tsimonq2> O_o ... why won't it let you input text? :P
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> I have no idea
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> I did recommended repair and it started
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Ok cool
[20:04] <mrchuckderp> then it says to open a terminal and copy and paste the commands
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Maybe it's a clipboard problem
[20:05] <mrchuckderp> but I tried to open a terminal and it won't let me input text. and the previous terminal that is used for the boot repair is just frozen
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Try typing it in manually
[20:05] <mrchuckderp> no it won't even let me input a single character
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Oh :/
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Interesting...
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> sudo chroot "/target" dpkg --configure -a
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> that's the first one and it won't let me type it in
[20:06] <tsimonq2> Try restarting your computer and trying again
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> I can type stuff into the one the bootrepair is using but when I push enter it just goes down again
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> yeah I will
[20:06] <mrchuckderp> bye for now then
[20:07] <mrchuckderp> Actually
[20:08] <mrchuckderp> is there a way I can copy the bootloader from this usb drive to the new one
[20:08] <mrchuckderp> or is that for the installer specifically
[20:08] <tsimonq2> That's just for the installer.
[20:08] <mrchuckderp> ok
[20:08] <mrchuckderp> bye then
[20:18] <rt1> have you guys ever considered adding pale moon instead of firefox as default browser for lubuntu? I always get an incredible performance boost after having finally installed it :)
[20:19] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu LXDE is sort of in a maintenance mode at the moment. We won't really be swapping things out for newer things, but in Lubuntu Next, we will be.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> (KDE Falkon comes with Lubuntu Next)
[20:22] <rt1> oh alright
[20:22] <rt1> gotta reboot. bye for now
[20:22] <tsimonq2> o/
[20:23] <LargePrime> hi.  i wanna report a bug in default icons  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790062
[20:23] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Hey there
[20:23] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: So this happens in Lubuntu? Which version?
[20:24] <LargePrime> all the details are in the report, but 17.10.  didnt happen earlier
[20:24] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> Thanks for the bug report LargePrime, I'll ping the artwork guy :)
[20:25] <LargePrime> kk.  the icons worked in 17.04
[20:26] <LargePrime> not sure how this bug would happen tsimonq2
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Hm. Interesting.
[20:27] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: One thing that you could try...
[20:27] <tsimonq2> sec
[20:28] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Try downloading the lubuntu-icon-theme package from 17.04: https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/all/lubuntu-icon-theme/download
[20:29] <tsimonq2> And then you should be able to use Synaptic or similar
[20:33] <mrchuckderp> tsimonq2 it said boot repaired! :D just letting you know I'm not dead. Thanks for the help
[20:33] <LargePrime> are not the icon theme packages already in synaptic?
[20:33] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: You're welcome, let me know if you have anything else you need help with ;)
[20:34] <mrchuckderp> Sure will!
[20:34] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Sure, but installing the one from 17.04 lets us know if it's a problem with the icon theme or not
[20:34] <LargePrime> ll
[20:34] <LargePrime> kk
[20:39] <LargePrime> tsimonq2, i used the default theme in zesty and had no issue
[20:39] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Meaning you installed this package or are you just restating what you said before? :)
[20:43] <LargePrime> tsimonq2, i was restating.  the download will not install as a newer version is already installed
[20:44] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: In a terminal, cd to where you downloaded it, and then run `sudo apt install -y --allow-downgrades ./lubuntu-icon-theme_0.66_all.deb`
[20:44] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: That should do it.
[20:47] <LargePrime> then reset the icons to default?  tsimonq2
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[20:50] <mrchuckderp> ok
[20:51] <mrchuckderp> tsimonq2
[20:51] <mrchuckderp> I used the boot-repair
[20:51] <mrchuckderp> it worked and the lubuntu 17.10 now boots up on the usb drive
[20:51] <tsimonq2> \o/
[20:51] <mrchuckderp> but now the windows 7 that was installed on the actual hard drive has grub and won't boot
[20:51] <mrchuckderp> how do I fix it this is an issue
[20:52] <mrchuckderp> I wanted a lubuntu that would not do anything to the original PC and I think the boot-repair messed up the original windows 7 boot
[20:53] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Did you install GRUB on the USB drive or the hard drive?
[20:54] <mrchuckderp> usb
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Have you tried rebooting without the USB drive in?
[20:54] <mrchuckderp> yes
[20:54] <tsimonq2> What does it show?
[20:54] <mrchuckderp> it has a few lines I can't remember then it says starting grub (something)
[20:55] <mrchuckderp> then has a line where I can type
[20:55] <LargePrime> dont have to restart, right?  just apply the icons?  ya, none of the lubuntu icon set have a lock on vpn. all of the other icon themes all work.
[20:55] <LargePrime> tsimonq2,
[20:55] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Hm. Thanks.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: (next time you update your system, the 17.10 icon theme should come back)
[20:55] <tsimonq2> !grub
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Might help mrchuckderp ^^^^
[20:56] <mrchuckderp> except it's the opposite of that
[20:58] <tsimonq2> Hm. I'm a bit stuck here, but the people in #ubuntu might be able to help you better with this.
[20:58] <tsimonq2> (Because it's not a Lubuntu-specific issue.)
[20:58] <mrchuckderp> ok
[20:58] <Guest5841> Hello everyone my md5sum is different as displayed here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.10/release/MD5SUMS
[20:58] <Guest5841> What should I do please?
[20:59] <tsimonq2> Guest5841: Which OS are you on?
[20:59] <Guest5841> I'm downloading lubuntu from Linux Mint os.
[20:59] <Guest5841> md5sum  lubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso  return 48703ddd81aab8dce53264cb8a8c5202
[21:00] <Guest5841> It's same.
[21:00] <Guest5841> Sorry
[21:01] <Guest5841> Have a good day
[21:01] <tsimonq2> All good. :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Guest5841: You too.
[21:14] <mrchuckderp> Nobody in Ubuntu responded so I'm talking to someone at microsoft currently.
[21:18] <krytarik> mrchuckderp: You haven't actually asked in #ubuntu though, but in #ubuntu-unregged where nobody but ops can read you.
[21:18] <mrchuckderp> ok
[21:19] <mrchuckderp> how do I go to not unregged
[21:20] <mrchuckderp> Oh I see
[21:48] <mrchuckderp> Well after 45 minutes all they did was tell me to recheck the product key again and again but the one on my pc is apparently invalid
[21:49] <mrchuckderp> so I'm trying to figure out what I can do without a windows 7 key or installation cd
[21:49] <mrchuckderp> apparently nothing
[21:49] <tsimonq2> Wait a minute... when installing Lubuntu, you made sure to install it on the USB drive right?
[21:49] <mrchuckderp> yes
[21:50] <tsimonq2> What was your install media?
[21:50] <mrchuckderp> install media
[21:50] <tsimonq2> (what's the thing you put the ISO on?)
[21:50] <mrchuckderp> oh
[21:50] <mrchuckderp> I used unetbootin to move it to a usb drive
[21:50] <mrchuckderp> I booted from the usb drive
[21:51] <tsimonq2> You wanted to install to that same USB drive or a different one?
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> I installed to the second usb drive with only a / partition
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Oh
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> different
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Gotcha
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> then it wouldn't boot
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> I asked you and you said to use the program boot-repair
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> I ran it
[21:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: You around?
[21:51] <mrchuckderp> I set it to use on the second usb drive
[21:52] <mrchuckderp> but I guess maybe somewhere in there it installed to not only the usb drive and got it working, but it now broke the bootloader of windows
[21:52] <mrchuckderp> so both usb drives work but now the original hard drive won't boot
[21:52] <mrchuckderp> even when I unplug them
[21:52] <tsimonq2> Oh
[21:52] <tsimonq2> So you can boot into the installed Lubuntu?
[21:52] <mrchuckderp> I 'boot' from the original 500GB hard drive and it pulls up a grub2 menu
[21:52] <mrchuckderp> yes
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Ok, so boot into the installed Lubuntu
[21:53] <mrchuckderp> Oh yeah
[21:53] <mrchuckderp> the installed lubuntu
[21:53] <tsimonq2> RIght
[21:53] <mrchuckderp> it will connect to the internet but nothing will show up
[21:53] <mrchuckderp> I might have needed to just restart but I haven't tried that
[21:54] <mrchuckderp> like it would see all the wifi
[21:54] <mrchuckderp> but when I tried to load a page it would just say "no connection" on firefox
[21:54] <tsimonq2> Did you try pinging 8.8.8.8 in the terminal to see if it was a DNS problem?
[21:54] <mrchuckderp> no I didn't
[21:54] <mrchuckderp> When I boot in then what should I do
[21:55] <tsimonq2> So connect to WiFi, like you said before, run `ping 8.8.8.8` in the terminal
[21:55] <mrchuckderp> ok
[21:55] <mrchuckderp> I wish I could just go back a day to undo everything
[21:55] <mrchuckderp> lol
[21:55] <mrchuckderp> ok see ya later
[21:55] <tsimonq2> Ok
[22:15] <mrchuckderp> well just letting you know I ran around the house looking for a windows 7 cd but couldn't find one
[22:16] <mrchuckderp> now I feel bad because my sister has been waiting on me the entire time and now it won't boot.
[22:17] <tsimonq2> mrchuckderp: Did the ping work?
[22:17] <mrchuckderp> no
[22:17] <tsimonq2> :/
[22:17] <tsimonq2> I don't know what to say, sorry.
[22:19] <krytarik> Just making the Grub installed on the hard drive recognize and boot the Windows on there might be an option.
[22:23] <mrchuckderp> that's ok
[22:23] <mrchuckderp> I just need a cd so I'll wait for my parents to get back because I'm pretty sure there's one here somewhere
[22:23] <mrchuckderp> I just don't know where
[22:24] <mrchuckderp> thanks for all the help
[22:24] <mrchuckderp> bye people
[23:37] <Dirk__> Hello, I am very new to using Lubuntu and an issue I can't seem to resolve is that bluetooth is not able to find any devices, any ideas?
[23:45] <tsimonq2> Dirk__: Try #ubuntu
[23:45] <Dirk__> ty