[00:06] <TJ-> Oh I need to swear!! with the overlay on /usr "sudo vi /path/to/file" gives "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?"
[00:06] <TJ-> Why always me!?!?
[00:07] <TJ-> and of course now I cannot remount or unmount it!
[00:15] <TJ-> better! "You need at least 8.3GB disk space..." "This computer has only 3.2GB" ... "Continue" button :)
[00:15] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ^^ Because you go where no other has gone before ??
[00:16] <TJ-> Well, if you include the Gnome Shell issue where the taskbar sound icon brings up a dialog with a volume slier and a pause button at the bottom, which when pressed, shuts the PC down without warning!!
[00:16] <Ben64> ok so i made a key, gave it to ubuntu, they emailed me a message encrypted, but now i can't decrypt because gpg can't find the secret key??
[00:17] <TJ-> Ben64: you need to tell gpg2 where the private key is
[00:17] <Ben64> oh, gpg2
[00:17] <Ben64> the instructions say gpg
[00:20] <TJ-> gpg is the older version; they're mostly the same but gpg2 puts secret keys in a different sub-dir under ~/.gnupg/ I think
[00:20] <Ben64> heh, now backportpackage gives me the same error, it's using gpg instead of gpg2
[00:21] <TJ-> should be fine. how did you create the key originally?
[00:21] <TJ-> with gpg, or gpg2 ?
[00:21] <Ben64> with the "passwords and encryption" application that launchpad told me to
[00:22] <TJ-> which is SeaHorse I think; and should be using gpg2 I'd have thought. Check it's config options it might indicate which secret keyring it's using
[00:23] <Ben64> not a whole lot of option here
[00:24] <TJ-> darn! stuck on this 17.10 liveISO desktop digital clock again! anyone know which key press(es) are supposed to send it away!?
[00:24] <Ben64> TJ-: haven't seen that on my 17.10 vm
[00:24] <TJ-> it keeps coming up in the 'Try Ubuntu' session if I leave it about 5 minutes or os
[00:25] <TJ-> earlier I hit keys at random and it went away but I've no idea which key did it :D
[00:25] <TJ-> mouse doesn't help, but the taskbar is still interactive at top of screen
[00:25] <TJ-> aha, 3 hits in Esc did it this time
[00:25] <TJ-> so intuitive - not!
[00:28] <TJ-> I do not believe it - 10 years on - and still the installer does not support creating LVM when doing manual partitioning!!
[00:29] <daftykins> :S
[00:29] <TJ-> Oh and now it tells me it's Debian, not Ubuntu :D
[00:30] <TJ-> I let it do an automatic LVM install, and it came up with a "Force UEFI installation" dialog question - not sure why, it booted in UEFI mode! Part of the long message says "... If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode, it might be difficutl to reboot the machine into any BIOS-mode ..."
[00:32] <TJ-> hmm, and it's used 512MB for the EFI SP!! it needs no more than 64MB and that's pushing it
[00:33] <Ben64> https://gist.github.com/Ben64/4e0b1ee50df41393f40a810f16d8a96b
[00:33] <Ben64> why.
[00:33] <Ben64> TJ-: oh i had that problem
[00:34] <Ben64> it wouldn't let me press anything
[00:34] <Ben64> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:34] <Ben64> /dev/nvme0n1p1  240M   512  240M   1% /boot/efi
[00:34] <Ben64> dunno why mine did 240
[00:36] <TJ-> that's more like it! I've just checked and the automatic partitioner hasn't created an EFI SP at all, well not by GUID anyhow, it's a regular Windows '0700'
[00:39] <TJ-> Ben64: "gpg --import a" -- the option you use is 'unused' according to the man-page
[00:41] <Ben64> ooh
[00:41] <Ben64> outdated guides
[00:42] <Ben64> gpg: skipped "ben64 <ben64@ben64>": secret key not available
[00:42] <Ben64> well, what the hell
[00:43] <Ben64> gpg can use the key now, but still fails when doing backportpackage
[00:44] <TJ-> typical, I think you've caught my bug :D everything-goes-wrong-itus
[00:51] <TJ-> OK, so got past that, got the country map prompt, move on, and get a dialog error "ERROR!!" "Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-home"
[00:52] <Ben64> have to put DEBSIGN_KEYID=<id> into ~/.devscripts
[00:52] <TJ-> oh, yes! Mine's been there so long I forgot!
[00:52] <Ben64> one of these days i'll start updating old docs on ubuntu wiki
[00:53] <daftykins> might as well make it a new year's resolution ;D
[00:54] <Ben64> heh maybe
[00:54] <Ben64> might be flying to china january, airports seem like a good place to do that stuff
[00:58] <daftykins> ooh, holiday?
[00:59] <nacc> Ben64: yeah devscript is a set-it-and-forget-it for most :/
[01:05] <TJ-> I've never hit so many errors in my life! well, maybe! This is why I always install new releases using deboostrap... takes 10 minutes!
[01:09] <daftykins> D:
[01:15] <Ben64> thats why i hate upgrading
[01:15] <Ben64> there's always something
[01:15] <TJ-> I've never had problems with upgrades; I almost always get issues with installers though
[01:15] <Ben64> still have some tweaks to the theme to do
[01:16] <Ben64> right now there's only 1px on the border to resize windows
[01:16] <TJ-> I've given up on it, wasted a day just trying to get a VM installed from the ISO to work on the nsswitch/mdns offline name resolving bug
[01:16] <Ben64> what that bug?
[01:17] <TJ-> that I really hated when they introduced it - I had an argument with the designer responsible originally over it
[01:17] <TJ-> On hidpi screens even with a hi-res mouse it's hard to grab the edge; with a laptop touchpad it's impossible
[01:18] <TJ-> bug #1295229   still affects 17.10; we had a user in yesterday with it
[01:18] <TJ-> causing "sudo xxxx" commands to hang for several minutes because localhost name resolving fails
[01:19] <Ben64> oh, not the problem i had last night
[01:19] <Ben64> everything was resolving to 10.0.0.1 for a bit
[01:19] <TJ-> is that your subnet?
[01:19] <Ben64> my local network is 192.168.1.0/24
[01:19] <Ben64> made no sense
[01:19] <TJ-> so you use upstream DNS servers from your ISP?
[01:19] <TJ-> s/so/do/
[01:20] <Ben64> i use 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
[01:20] <Ben64> those still worked, dnsmasq was doing something weird
[01:20] <TJ-> weird; I've seen misconfigured upstream resolvers return the same IP for all lookups once
[01:21] <Ben64> i don't know enough (anything) about dnsmasq to diagnose it, just threw 8.8.8.8 into /etc/resolv.conf and said good enough
[01:22] <Ben64> i think i had the same problem on my laptop last year too
[01:22] <Ben64> must be something with xenial
[01:24] <Ben64> Launchpad PPA no_reply@launchpad.net via canonical.com
[01:24] <Ben64> Rejected: Unable to identify 'ben64':<ben64@ben64> in launchpad
[01:25] <Ben64> yep, definitely got everything-goes-wrong-itus
[01:25] <TJ-> the email address doesn't match your ubuntu id
[01:25] <TJ-> (used on launchpad)
[01:25] <Ben64> i used the same address on both
[01:26] <Ben64> oh i need DEBEMAIL set : /
[01:30] <TJ-> hehehe... baptism of fire
[02:06] <Ben64> Launchpad PPA no_reply@launchpad.net via canonical.com
[02:06] <Ben64> 6:04 PM (1 minute ago) to me  Accepted: OK: qemu_2.10+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa1.dsc
[02:06] <Ben64> everything's coming up milhouse
[02:06] <TJ-> finally...!
[02:07] <TJ-> 23:56:21        Ben64 | ooh, backportpackage seems fun
[02:07] <daftykins> that could be misinterpreted!
[02:07] <TJ-> so ... a little over 2 hours :)
[02:07] <TJ-> and now you have to wait for it to build
[02:09] <Ben64> :D
[02:09] <Ben64> dunno where it plans on getting the dependencies
[02:14] <TJ-> if it's backport it should fetch them from the later release
[02:14] <TJ-> i think that's the entire point of it
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:12] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:12] <EriC^^> whats up?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> chilling
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> and coffee :p
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> visiting friends later
[06:14] <EriC^^> cool
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what your upto?
[06:17] <EriC^^> just woke up
[06:28] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[06:28] <ducasse> good morning :)
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:30] <ducasse> morning, lotus
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 30min early to sync with my gf lol
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> thats new
[06:33] <ducasse> sync?
[06:37] <EriC^^> heh
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> you always wakeup same time as my gf ducasse
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> but not today
[06:45] <ducasse> oh, i've been up for an hour or so - my cat wants her breakfast served around 7 in the morning and wakes me up :)
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> morning Nokaji
[06:55] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: I completely agree :)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys
[07:45] <EriC^^> does anyone know if i can leave pancake paste over night in the refridgerator and use it the next day?
[07:45] <EriC^^> (it's actually crepe, so it has like 3 eggs)
[07:46] <EriC^^> seems ok on google, thanks anyways
[08:51] <Bashing-om> 'Nuff - a pause for that cause - Good Nite \o
[14:33] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:48] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw, ducasse, immu
[15:48] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[15:49] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[16:13] <immu> hey BluesKaj pauljw ducasse whats up
[16:14] <pauljw> hi immu, not much going on here.  how are you today?
[16:15] <immu> i am stressed because of my crazy neighbor, who keeps compailing about any nose we make outside our apartment
[16:18] <pauljw> heheh, this is why i live in the country.  closest neighbor is about 1/4 mile away.
[16:18] <immu> she called the cops and also complained to our real estate agency
[16:19] <daftykins> hmm well are you making a noise outside?
[16:51] <pauljw> wb
[16:53] <immu> daftykins, by noise means normal walking, talking and closing door, that crazy lady leave all alone, and plays tv whole day, you see her in person of how uncultured she is and a total douche bag
[17:01] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:01] <daftykins> EriC^^: \o
[17:01] <EriC^^> hey daftykins o/
[17:03] <pauljw> o/
[17:04] <immu> she wants pin drop silence, how can you achieve that?
[17:04] <immu> bitch
[17:04] <immu> brb
[17:04] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[17:04] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[17:04] <daftykins> TV headphones :D
[17:12] <Nokaji> can someone remind me the IRC command to query a channel, I'm trying to see nickserv? type info for when this channel was created etc
[17:13] <EriC^^> /chanserv info #channel
[17:14] <Nokaji> Ah, EriC^^ to the rescue again :)
[17:16] <EriC^^> :)
[17:17] <Nokaji> I'm guessing it must be server specific because I didn't spot 'CHANSERV' when doing a general "/help" command - not a biggie anyway, was just thinking this is a new channel
[17:45] <daftykins> correct
[17:48] <Nokaji> I've finally had the sense to google "chanserv commands"
[17:48] <Nokaji> that stuff works in other roomsbut not so much here
[17:49] <Nokaji> obviously some protection racket going on
[17:50] <Nokaji> or some black majicke afoot
[17:50] <EriC^^> it works here
[17:50] <EriC^^> says created 5 years ago
[17:51] <Nokaji> interesting ... I tried 2/3 other rooms .. maybe finger trouble then
[17:52] <EriC^^> maybe it's your client
[17:53] <Nokaji> my client is a little odd, it doesn't always show me all the rooms other people are in unless I'm in the same rooms as them
[17:54] <EriC^^> mine does the same, i think it's a freenode thing
[17:54] <EriC^^> btw it might be that /chanserv doesnt work but /msg chanserv works
[17:55] <Nokaji> I tried a few permutations, no joy in this room whatsoever but no problems elsewhere
[17:58] <daftykins> Nokaji: that's not the client, it's likely a user mode for privacy
[17:59] <Nokaji> daftykins: perhaps ... . and I use it too rarely to see ... but different clients have produced very differnet results from memory
[18:00] <BluesKaj> konversation client whois shows which chat's a nick is using
[18:00] <BluesKaj> don't think it's freenode
[18:01] <BluesKaj> err chats
[18:06] <daftykins> you might not see private chans too
[18:10] <Nokaji> using Hexchat here, formally pigeon & others
[18:10] <Nokaji> formerly *
[18:13] <immu> another hexchat user here
[18:33] <immu> why did everyone go silent,? all oke
[18:33] <daftykins> just been gaming
[18:34] <daftykins> https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsNlU9fvqb7thCqQLyDXRSXWIyTp
[18:34] <daftykins> https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsNlU9fvqb7thCtTNXLIsB8hvI56
[18:34] <daftykins> finally ticked that one off :>
[18:41] <pauljw> gaming...  you do the weirdest things with your computer... :D
[18:43] <daftykins> haha, that's the xbox one there
[18:43] <daftykins> these days they let you upload screenshots and recordings direct, brave times
[18:49] <immu> cool game daftykins? are you on Windows?
[18:49] <daftykins> i am, but i only use onedrive to get those videos from my xbox
[18:50] <immu> ahaa tell me more about it daftykins ?
[18:50] <immu> Windows ----- Onedrive ----Xbox?
[18:52] <daftykins> err well you have an xbox account, which is now known as a 'microsoft account' providing possibly 5GB free storage on their cloud service OneDrive, when you want to share screenshots or videos like the above, that's the service you upload them to so you can look at them on the PC or share them
[18:53] <immu> so you use xbox to record games video and upload them directly from the game to the onedrive cloud? and then use onedrive to share those videos here
[18:53] <daftykins> yep
[18:53] <daftykins> i could have also streamed my game live on twitch.tv
[18:53] <immu> i am not satisfied until i have a answer best to my understanding
[18:53] <immu> its a itch thing
[18:55] <daftykins> there are definitely a lot of services out there nowadays so it's easy to get buried under them all
[18:58] <immu> but Microsoft provides complete integration to do such stuff
[18:59] <daftykins> yeah, but they're not always the sensible choice
[18:59] <Nokaji> curioisty - it is what keeps us young
[18:59] <Nokaji> complacency killed the cat
[19:05] <pauljw> that's pretty cool daftykins, i didn't know that about xbox.
[19:06] <pauljw> my daughter wants a PlayStation, which she can have as soon as she gets a paying job and saves up for...
[19:07] <daftykins> oh dear, you'll quickly discover that they'll eat through your data then given the modern console wants to be online and updated, then games can be 50GB+ these days
[19:07] <daftykins> buying on disc isn't even of huge benefit as most of the time it installs and wants to download half that again in updates :)
[19:08] <immu> good reminder
[19:08] <pauljw> oh boy
[19:10] <immu> brb
[20:23] <Nokaji> I've found something incredibly off-topic
[20:24] <Nokaji> read the subtitles to see why this man was arrested (toggle 'c' on my computer) - https://youtu.be/kv5HN7V62hA?t=2056
[20:24] <Nokaji> 34m 24s ... read for 3 seconds