[00:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: good deal
[00:00] <flocculant> np
[00:00] <bluesabre> Will send you so much stuff to test
[00:00] <flocculant> heh
[00:00] <bluesabre> Heading to dinner now, bbl
[00:00] <flocculant> speak tomorrow at some point then :)
[00:00] <flocculant> have a good evening
[00:00] <knome> bon appetit bluesabre 
[00:08] <flocculant> knome: snealy ...
[00:08] <flocculant> oh sigh, sneaky 
[00:08] <knome> what? :)
[00:09] <flocculant> no ACTION for Core on the logs :p
[00:09] <knome> ugh
[00:09] <knome> action is on bluesabre 
[00:09] <flocculant> :p
[00:10] <flocculant> is it ... ;)
[00:10] <flocculant> logs don't agree lol
[00:10] <knome> didn't he like it on the top?
[00:10] <knome> :P
[00:10] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[00:10] <flocculant> night then ...
[00:10] <flocculant> :D
[00:10] <knome> nighty ;)
[00:43] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: one issue that I believe Xubuntu was concerned about is that libatrildocument3 depends on libjs-mathjax
[00:44] <jbicha> also GNOME these days offers libgepub which is integrated into the gnome-documents app (well technically GNOME Books) but not into evince yet
[00:45] <jbicha> so that needs a bunch of work probably, but that's a pointer if anyone wants to work on epub support in atril/evince
[00:46] <jbicha> see LP: #241736, GNOME doesn't seem very interested in it
[02:09] <flexiondotorg> jbicha: Thanks for the info. Very useful. 
[02:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r645 Disable window previews in Xfwm4's alt-tab dialog... (by Sean Davis)
[02:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r646 Do not show the label in the xfce4-power-manager panel plugi... (by Sean Davis)
[02:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r647 Add UNRELEASED changelog (by Sean Davis)
[02:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r648 * etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4... (by Sean Davis)
[05:14] <bluesabre> Unit193, flexiondotorg, jbicha ... just going through the packages a bit briefly, might be able to decouple some of the depends and recommends to have some make requirements lighter https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WicgA_g4seBsMitXNVM5pmAIYf1cwSgqAzfK7yeqIHw/edit?usp=sharing
[05:14] <bluesabre> Will investigate more this weekend
[05:18] <jbicha> Ubuntu's file-roller has this diff from Debian (Depend on zip & unzip instead of p7zip-full which is in universe)
[05:19] <jbicha> this might be nice to cherry-pick: https://git.gnome.org/browse/file-roller/commit/?id=219ca07
[05:19] <jbicha> cherry-pick to engrampa I mean
[05:23] <jbicha> xubuntu-icon-theme doesn't provide engrampa.png yet
[05:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[13:44] <knome> bluesabre, when upgrading to artful, the terminal loses one configuration bit; the custom cursor. more exactly, the custom color is kept but the option to use the custom color is disabled...
[13:48] <bluesabre> knome: might be something related to the gtk3 terminal
[13:49] <knome> yeah, why not, but it's fixable by simply going to the settings and enabling this
[13:49] <knome> something to consider for 18.04 to make sure we're migrating smoothly :)
[13:51] <mun24> 	how to change wallpaper using remote shell?
[13:51] <bluesabre> knome, cool, want to file a bug report for that (to LP)
[13:53] <bluesabre> mun24: #xubuntu is the support channel (... and I do not know the answer)
[13:55] <knome> bluesabre, i'll do it today
[14:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: debdiff for engrampa packaging, want to build and test? (works for me) http://paste.ubuntu.com/25988577/
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre Initial upstream discussions about collaborating with Xubuntu and Ubuntu Unity have been positive.
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> We should target upstream first for any required patches. 
[15:51] <flexiondotorg> We are discussing creating a team for developers from other DEs using MATE applications on the MATE GitHub to streamline collaboration. Sound agreeable? 
[16:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Part of the deal with GNOME was that they needed stuff only from main, but we can use universe just fine.
[16:03] <Unit193> So the only "regression" that's a feature lost in xfpm might be if the tray icon is gone, and I thought it was.
[16:04] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: sounds good to me
[16:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: I figured that some parity between ubuntu and flavors would be a good thing
[16:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: re xfpm, I think that's being looked into currently, I'd expect a new release sometime shortly (ochosi, thoughts?)
[16:06] <Unit193> Mmm, depends.  Ubuntu loses features just because they're in universe, we simply don't have that limitation.
[16:06] <bluesabre> Though, I'm not opposed to shipping p7zip-full, I install it anyway to support 7z and other archive formats
[16:07] <bluesabre> Definitely good for a broader discussion between flavors and definitely the MATE team :)
[16:07] <Unit193> Keep in mind I looked at xfpm a while ago then bailed, so I don't really know the current git state at all. :P
[16:10] <Unit193> Also lots of pings about Core.  1. I'm still of the mindset that after 4+ years, we shouldn't be renaming it as it's already known as 'Xubuntu Core'.  2. I'm not entirely sure, if the patches get in, what else there is that I've stopped bothering about.  I still keep an eye on the seed, but we don't make a lot of seed changes anyway.
[16:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: could you take another look and let us know what issues are blocking xfpm for you?
[16:12] <bluesabre> Especially since we've been avoiding it for ~2 years :)
[16:15] <bluesabre> Regarding Core, still seems like a better name to me, and that's not a good reason to block it
[16:22] <Unit193> I'd rather not, but I suppose I should.
[16:23] <bluesabre> Thanks Unit193... I'll try to make sure bionic is not a headache for you :)
[16:24] <Unit193> Heh, thanks.  But some things are unavoidable.
[16:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also thanks for picking up core, and moving to mate components, and everything else I'm missing.
[16:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: figured we should start the LTS strong so there's time to fix bugs :)
[16:28] <bluesabre> and flocculant has been pushing us to get things done early too
[16:28] <bluesabre> QA people ;)
[16:36] <Unit193> I've nearly got my shiny package done so I can test re-installs again.
[18:33] <knome> bluesabre, hmm, apparently we also lost bold text color
[18:35] <Unit193> Works for me.
[18:47] <knome> hmm, and selection
[20:44] <ochosi> Unit193: the tray icon is not gone in 1.6
[20:44] <ochosi> it's still there and fully functional
[20:44] <Unit193> ...Did it go away and come back at some point?
[20:45] <ochosi> no
[20:45] <ochosi> it was always there
[20:45] <ochosi> but in the experimental PPA i get an error
[20:45] <ochosi>  xfdesktop4 : Depends: libgarcon-gtk3-1-0 (>= 0.6.0) but it is not going to be installed
[20:46] <ochosi> Unit193: you can enable it from the settings dialog's first tab, as always
[20:46] <Unit193> ...Ok, so I remember it going away then coming back..Strange.
[20:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Also, that really shouldn't be a problem..
[21:43] <ochosi> Unit193: now, thinking back, i think there was a release where we dropped it or considered dropping it but the fact that lxde/lubuntu was using it at the time was a deciding factor not to do so. but anyway, in 1.6 it's still there
[21:43] <ochosi> what to do about that packaging problem of garcon and xfdesktop though?
[22:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, the lxde panel plugin was added, then the whole ordeal was reverted afaik.  And, as I said it *should* be fine, considering it was all built against everything.  I'm presuming you're on Artful.