[00:00] <ochosi> Unit193: yup
[08:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: were you expecting iso to have both gnome- and mate- stuff at the moment?
[11:38] <knome> http://www.strawpoll.me/14263444/r
[11:39] <knome> that was the poll created by the person on the ML
[11:39] <knome> not a big group of respondents, but very animous
[11:39] <knome> bbl
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: thats sorta what i would have expected... can of worms and cant get it right
[12:56] <flocculant> :)
[14:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: should just be gnome atm
[14:09] <bluesabre> until I do another upload
[14:15] <bluesabre> Suppose I can go ahead and do that and we can work on packaging improvements with flexiondotorg as we go forward :)
[14:15] <flocculant> :)
[14:15] <flocculant> today the iso has evince, file-roller and gnome-calc
[14:15] <flocculant> plus the 3 new ones obviously :)
[14:16] <flocculant> anyway - thought I'd let you know 
[14:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Don't forget at-spi-core to reco?
[14:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm?
[14:20] <bluesabre> brb
[14:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: didn't expect the 3 new ones to be there
[14:28] <flocculant> heh - bonus then :p
[14:37] <jbicha> bluesabre: yeah, I think the iso builds pull from the seeds even if the metapackage hasn't been uploaded yet
[14:46] <flocculant> ochosi: just a thought - but power plugin for on AC - why not just use the standard AC symbol? 
[14:56] <bluesabre> jbicha: aha, that explains that then :)
[15:20] <bluesabre> flocculant, just did the necessary uploads... should land soon and the next iso should just have the mate apps and associated config updates
[15:21] <bluesabre> flocculant, so the next build would be a good time to spot check for any weirdness with keyboard shortcuts, archives, and PDF docs
[15:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: what was the question with at-spi-core?
[15:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack that - will have a look tomorrow evening then
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[16:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: now that we have https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/d9f3446ca529066e9390ca3bcf82830ebf76c398, want to poke the packaging for  [xubuntu-dev] elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements: TODO
[17:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [shimmer-themes-debian] r19 Sort install, add gnome-shell and plank (by Sean Davis)
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre Just let me know what you need regarding packaging 😀
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> So far all MATE packaging goes to Debian and sync to Ubuntu. Should be possible to retain that. 
[18:51] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: definitely, will have some suggestions sometime early this week
[20:02] <ochosi> flocculant: first of all, there is no standard AC symbol (i only created one for our icon theme) and secondly, upower does not tell you that a system is a desktop. i have to "guess" that based on: 1) there is no battery, 2) there is no lid
[20:05] <flocculant> ochosi: beg to differ - have a look on the back of any of your mains electrical things - living roon, bedroom, kitchen, garage - do they not have ~ there saying the voltage and frequency?
[20:05] <flocculant> pretty much standard AC symbol
[20:06] <flocculant> but if you can't get that info from something - then I guess its a moot point
[20:06] <flocculant> s/not have a ~
[20:06] <ochosi> ok, maybe there was a misunderstanding
[20:06] <flocculant> yea :)
[20:06] <ochosi> there is no "ac-adapter" icon in the freedesktop.org icon naming spec
[20:07] <ochosi> and nothing like that in gnome's adwaita icon theme
[20:07] <ochosi> i have no idea what gnome-shell does on a desktop system
[20:07] <flocculant> right - that I can believe - though odd why it's not there
[20:07] <ochosi> maybe it shows no icon at all
[20:07] <ochosi> but anyhow, that's only the one part
[20:07] <ochosi> the second part is that the middleware that we're relying on (UPower), does not tell you that a system is a desktop or laptop
[20:07] <flocculant> ochosi: I can boot ubuntu on hardware
[20:08] <flocculant> yup
[20:08] <ochosi> so you have to guess based on some properties
[20:08] <ochosi> and i figured those two would be fairly reliable
[20:08] <flocculant> yea - pretty much would agree 
[20:11] <ochosi> "back in the day" of xfpm 1.4 we had our own icon name spec
[20:12] <ochosi> xfpm-battery-090.png etc
[20:12] <ochosi> annoying to maintain and almost no icon theme supporting it
[20:12] <ochosi> (but it used to be the same with gpm-battery-090.png etc)
[20:12] <ochosi> now that we switched to upower icon names directly this means all icon themes will work
[20:12] <ochosi> but we also "inherit" this ac-adapter thing
[20:13] <ochosi> so if you could boot to ubuntu from hw (or even vm, cause that also should report as desktop system) that would help
[20:14] <flocculant> booting vm then
[20:14] <ochosi> thanks a bunch
[20:15] <flocculant> np
[20:16] <ochosi> oh wait, there *is* an ac-adapter icon
[20:16] <ochosi> at least in adwaita
[20:16] <ochosi> but it's a battery symbol with a flash inside
[20:16] <ochosi> hmpf
[20:16] <knome> lol
[20:16] <knome> not that it means it's used...?
[20:17] <ochosi> yeah, it doesn't mean that
[20:17] <ochosi> i'll have to check gpm's sourcecode i gues...
[20:19] <flocculant> ochosi: doesn't appear to be something I can turn on to check
[20:20] <ochosi> lol https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/status/power.js#L116
[20:20] <knome> yep
[20:20] <ochosi> bastards just use a random other icon
[20:20] <knome> ;)
[20:20] <ochosi> even though they also maintain upower..
[20:20] <knome> at least you know how they handle the "no battery" situation now...
[20:21] <ochosi> to be frank that is not a meaningful icon
[20:21] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/FXVFF7n.png
[20:21] <ochosi> i mean pff
[20:21] <knome> hah
[20:21] <knome> that's boo
[20:21] <ochosi> if we put that in the panel, we better position it correctly, or it'll be spectacularly misleading
[20:22] <knome> yes
[20:22] <knome> please no
[20:22] <knome> not that
[20:22] <knome> i use it for xfce4-session-logout
[20:22] <knome> because obvious reasons...
[20:22] <ochosi> so i think i'll have to draw and include a proper ac-adapter icon for elementary-xfce and include/ship it with xfpm
[20:22] <ochosi> or you could draw it knome while i write the "detect desktop system" code..?
[20:22] <knome> pffft
[20:23] <knome> i'm doing xfce things now
[20:23] <flocculant> flash or ~ makes more sense than a power button icon ...
[20:23] <knome> i have that plug with flash now
[20:23] <knome> that's good.
[20:24] <ochosi> yeah - i drew that back in the day
[20:24] <ochosi> i guess i can try to make a symbolic version of it for now
[20:38] <flocculant> what's a symbolic version of an ac symbol - a power station :p
[20:41] <ochosi> a cable + plug with a flash on it?
[20:41] <flocculant> makes sense 
[20:42] <flocculant> lot to fit in though 
[20:43] <flocculant> anyway - happy to test whatever you want whenever you want
[20:43] <flocculant> night peeps
[20:58] <ochosi> flocculant: gone already?