[05:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> firefox 57 is defenatly slower the previous
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> its like those dots keep loading
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> and hangs at TLS handshakes etc
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !ping
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> at least ducasse will wakeup soon lol
[07:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i'm awake :) good morning, all
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hey hey ducasse
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:13] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> great here
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> another week of work
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: you tested FF 57 speed?
[07:14] <EriC^^> heya lotuspsychje
[07:14] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[07:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Unpacked the tar, haven't really played with it yet.
[07:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: You?
[07:15] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:15] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:15] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[07:15] <lordievader> Doing good here, waking up :)
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: feeling bit slow on my side
[07:16] <EriC^^> maybe it's your internet lotuspsychje
[07:16] <EriC^^> feels more responsive, quick to load for me
[07:16] <lordievader> Hmm, it is supposed to be much quicker.
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> not sure why
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> those blue dots keep going back n forth
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> and TLS handshakes lag
[07:17] <EriC^^> must be isp stuff
[07:17] <EriC^^> the app itself feels quicker
[07:17] <lordievader> Yeah, that doesn't really sound like Firefox's fault.
[07:18] <lordievader> Or at least, I don't think FF implemented their own SSL 😝
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> 56 did fine & fast on me?
[07:18] <ducasse> \o lordievader, EriC^^
[07:18] <EriC^^> hey ducasse o/
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> swap: 0 and on ssd?
[07:18] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:18] <EriC^^> ducasse: how are you?
[07:19] <ducasse> good, EriC^^ - and you?
[07:19] <EriC^^> ubuntu removed that mobile browser thing eh?
[07:20] <EriC^^> ducasse: good thanks
[07:20] <EriC^^> oh it's still there, lotuspsychje try "browser"
[07:20] <EriC^^> webbrowser-app launches it from the terminal
[07:22] <EriC^^> hmm they improved it, it now has tabs at the top
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> goes fast aswell
[07:25] <lordievader> FF 57 seems quite fast to me. About as quick as Chrome.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: no dots wiggle at you side?
[07:27] <lordievader> For a little bit. But then the page shows.
[07:28] <ducasse> i'm horrible at estimating these things, but 57 feels faster than 56 to me
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> real weird
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> ill test on few other systems
[07:30] <lordievader> I haven't run FF for ages. Certainly not on fast machine. So, me saying it is alot faster than previous versions... should be taken with a stone of salt.
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:33] <ducasse> i run ff on my desktop all the time, and it's a decently fast machine
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> i had no issues until now
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> ill try a new profile or guest account later
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> or fresh system
[07:38] <lordievader> Did you try FF56 or Chrome on the same machine>
[07:38] <lordievader> ?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> yep lightning fast all other browsers
[07:39] <lordievader> Hmm, that is odd.
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[07:40] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: which cpu is this again?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:31] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[13:32] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[13:32] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[13:32] <pauljw> all good here, you?
[13:32] <EriC^^> good thanks
[13:32] <EriC^^> starting to rain here
[13:33] <pauljw> ah, rain is good. :)
[13:35] <pauljw> mornin' BluesKaj :)
[13:35] <EriC^^> pauljw: yeah :)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> "Morning pauljw ...Hey EriC^^
[13:40] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[15:40] <pauljw> gotta run, bbl...
[18:01] <oerheks> Free Cheesecake 4 ALL !!!
[18:02] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Great thought ... A welcome change from CC cookies :)
[18:07] <immu> :)
[18:07] <immu> hi oerheks
[18:07] <immu> Bashing-om,
[18:08] <Bashing-om> immu: :)
[18:09] <immu> whats up\
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: CPU:       Dual core AMD C-60 APU with Radeon HD Graphics
[18:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I run a dual core Athlon system . no issues with FF on 3rd day .
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: speed double or not?
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> i dont have real issues, but speed is bit dissapointing
[18:49] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well .. As I am testing FF from chromium prior .. FF is just a tad bit faster than chromium .
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/20/firefox-private-browsing-vs-chrome-incognito/
[19:12] <EriC^^> hey guys
[19:12] <EriC^^> what's cooking?
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[19:13] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: did you try running ff from a terminal?
[19:13] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Meat loaf :)
[19:13] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yum
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: lets try
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment.
[19:15] <EriC^^> let me try it here to compare
[19:15] <EriC^^> no attention stuff
[19:16] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: try echo $force_s3tc_enable
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> still same error
[19:19] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: seems the error has to do with graphics stuff
[19:20] <EriC^^> so probably unrelated, what exactly is happening, after you press enter for a website it takes a long time during making TLS handshake?
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: that tab blue dot keeps going back n forth loading page
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then i can follow loading text at bottom, as i have time to read it :p
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[19:24] <TJ-> morning :)
[19:25] <TJ-> found a really humorous man-page Description earlier whilst looking for a file-seeking tool: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/diskseekd.1.html
[19:30] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ruled out a bottleneck in network ? ' traceroute ' .
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: all other FF versions ran fine
[19:32] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: was a thought .
[19:32] <Bashing-om> TJ-: "simulates Messy Dos' drive
[19:33] <Bashing-om>        cleaning effect" >> Thus I strongly advise you to use the original texinfo doc. ! .. Then why not just give the original .. huh ?
[19:33] <TJ-> yeah... and the tongue-in-cheek "Several people have noticed that Linux has a bad tendency of killing floppy drives" :)
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> !info refind
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !info refind xenial
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> http://www.speed-battle.com/speedtest_e.php
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> what you guys score on FF 57 here?
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> 82.22 lol wth..
[19:41] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: " 587.75 " ??
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> jesus
[19:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: want I shoul run it against chormium ?
[19:44] <immu> 907.91 on GoogleChrome
[19:45] <immu> 1254.16 on Firefox57
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sure
[19:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: chromium " 457.45 " . as overall score .
[19:47] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: could you remind me about that link tomorrow?
[19:47] <immu> Bashing-om, why is the score so low compared to mine
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: sure
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> maybe its cpu related now?
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> intel i3 and higher perform better?
[19:48] <lordievader> Cool, thanks.
[19:49] <immu> firefox is higher but its always hung up in getting the data
[19:49] <Bashing-om> immu: old hardware ?? lotuspsychje:: how about : http://ipv6-test.com/ <-  checks your IPv6 and IPv4 connectivity and speed. Diagnose connection problems,
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lets c
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ipv6 not supported, score 4/20
[19:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: My FF57 3/20 !
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme go test guest FF
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[19:53] <immu> ipv6 is supported but not enabled for me
[19:53] <immu> or others
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> ok guest account is a little faster
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> so it must be my profile
[19:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: interesting .
[19:59] <immu> good nite
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: browser test was 240 there
[20:01] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I still find it hard to believe my old hardware is faster than yours .
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: well im over wifi here, with used profile and ssd + 2 gig ram
[20:05] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: More ram that I have will make the difference :)
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: your on cable?
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> the weird thing is, FF 56 worked bloody fast over wifi still
[20:09] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yes in cable : Speed 47.7 Mbit/s .
[20:16] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: How bad is it going to break things to purge ( and /home too ) FF and RE-install ?
[20:18] <lordievader> I get 426 on my phone.
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> cool lordievader
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: got cable in now, going faster
[20:20]  * lordievader wonders what his workstation gets
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[20:38] <Bashing-om> Gotta run an errand ... back soonest .
[21:33] <Bashing-om> and back ,, not missed much :)