[00:01] <zerothis> http://pastebin.com/GQDghaLJ chrome held on long engh to post that. the page crash, chrome did not. leafpad segfaults, abiword does not
[00:04] <zerothis> temp @ 37° , chrome vanished without provication
[00:04] <FurretUber> It is not the same error I had
[00:05] <zerothis> FurretUber: thank you. that's something
[00:06] <FurretUber> It is noticeable in the dmesg the many ACPI warnings. The temperatures are of which component?
[00:07] <FurretUber> As, apparently, your machine has a Nvidia card, it should have its own temperature. I have seen some cases where a machine would have problems due to misconfiguration/lack of drivers for Nvidia cards
[00:07] <FurretUber> And they would overheat (95°C+) while the rest of the system was at 40°C
[00:08] <zerothis> nvidia GPU at 37°, how do i get CPU temp in command-line?
[00:11] <FurretUber> Here I can use the sensors command (my machine is Intel)
[00:11] <FurretUber> With no arguments it should show all devices
[00:16] <zerothis> crashed, now desktop says: Failed to connect to socket /run/usr/1000/ bus:connection refused
[00:19] <zerothis> well, i'm gonna try to install an older ubuntu
[00:23] <pizzaburger> TJ-: alright. Any specific time frame I can find you around?
[00:26] <TJ-> pizzaburger: usually 13:00 UTC through 23:59 or later :)
[00:26] <rawruw> heard that ubuntu is against TCP Wrappers? Why?
[00:26] <rawruw> debian supports them well.
[00:26] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I'm still researching this; it's a rabbit-hole that heads into systemd, PAM and elsewhere!
[00:28] <rawruw> pizzaburger: repeat your question. That looks like my field. I just got here.
[00:28] <rawruw> TJ-: I'm researching it too.
[00:28] <rawruw> TJ-: as we speak.
[00:28] <pizzaburger> TJ-: so much for going to bed huh
[00:29] <pizzaburger> rawruw: Xubuntu 17.10, encrypted drive and home folder. I changed my users login password through User Settings GUI, ran into issues runing admin services, rebooted, and couldnt log in anymore
[00:30] <FurretUber> zerothis: this is beyond the cases I've seen, maybe Xenial will work better on this machine
[00:31] <rawruw> pizzaburger: don't understand your situation completely. But if your stuff is encrypted with a password you need that password to decrypt. Otherwise you can just login as root and set the password for any user? If root passwd forgotten, just start in rescue mode.
[00:31] <TJ-> pizzaburger: there is a bug in systemd's handling of keyrings reported in Arch distro, that looks to affect the 17.10 Ubuntu version,  which might explain this. What it doesn't do is explain why it worked before you changed the password.
[00:32] <TJ-> rawruw: it's nothing to do with user password; the problem is ecryptfs cannot mount the encrypted dirs because it's not finding the encryption key in the session keyring, despite the key being there
[00:33] <TJ-> pizzaburger: please don't change anything with regard to the user's password now that is fixed, else we won't know where we are!
[00:34] <pizzaburger> TJ-: roger, not touching anything until you tell me
[00:34] <rawruw> TJ-: uh oh.. session key ring. Don't that mean that it can go any second? like.. after 5 minus or so
[00:35] <TJ-> pizzaburger: can you show us "pastebinit <( ls -l /etc/pam.d/ )" --- there's mention that pam_keyinit.so might be involved. Want to see if your system has it called
[00:36] <TJ-> pizzaburger: you've been logging in directly at the PC's console, not via SSH, is that correct?
[00:37] <pizzaburger> TJ-: one moment. Yes, logging in through ctrl+alt+f2
[00:39] <pizzaburger> TJ-: why are you guys so invested into this issue?
[00:41] <TJ-> pizzaburger: you've got a serious bug that could cause data-loss. We ought to understand it so it can be prevented.
[00:41] <pizzaburger> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001612/
[00:42] <pizzaburger> TJ-: I see. But it seems to me that any normal or even a power linux user would just shrug it off or report the bug to the devs
[00:42] <pizzaburger> TJ-: instead of skipping dinner and not going to sleep
[00:44] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I'm a dev amongst other things
[00:46] <TJ-> pizzaburger: let's see if there's any difference in the different keyrings: "pastebinit <( keyctl show @s; keyctl show @us; keyctl @u )"
[00:48] <pizzaburger> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001645/ and outputs "unknown command"
[00:48] <pizzaburger> TJ-: thats cool. I wish I know as much as you do
[00:48] <TJ-> pizzaburger: oh fooey! missed out the 'show' on the last keyctl! can you redo the command for me?
[00:49] <pizzaburger> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001651/
[00:50] <TJ-> pizzaburger: interesting!! you see how the session keyring is owned by UID 0 (root) but the user-session is correct (UID 1000) and all have the UID 1000 user keyring linked, with your ecryptfs keys attached
[00:51] <TJ-> pizzaburger: so all the links between rings are there, and yet e.m.p complains it can't find the key in the 'user' keyring
[00:59] <TJ-> pizzaburger: right, I've looked at the source-code that prints that error message and tested here and it looks like we can manually reproduce the search it does for the key. So try this: "keyctl search @u user 769688550d78ced9" and tell me what it reports. I'm expecting it to be "125967354"
[01:01] <pizzaburger> TJ-: that is correct
[01:01] <TJ-> pizzaburger: Grrr, I was hoping that'd fail the same way!!
[01:02] <rawruw> wish I could help, but sorry I can't. At work. If I was home I'd take the time to research it even if it took us hours.
[01:04] <pizzaburger> rawruw: no problem, TJ- has been on it for 7+ hours, talking about dedication
[01:05] <TJ-> pizzaburger: OK, I noticed the program that is called is a SETUID binary, so if on your system it is not setuid it'd fail. Let's check: "pastebinit <( ls -al /sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private; grep nosuid /proc/mounts )"
[01:08] <pizzaburger> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001770/
[01:12] <TJ-> pizzaburger: nothing untoward there either
[01:20] <TJ-> pizzaburger: can you show me "pastebinit <( cat $HOME/.ecryptfs/Private.sig )" -- these should be same as is in the user keyring
[01:21] <pizzaburger> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001864/
[01:22] <TJ-> pizzaburger: YAY!!!! *dances*
[01:22] <TJ-> pizzaburger: the signatures the mount tool reads aren't the same ones as are in the user keyring!!
[01:23] <pizzaburger> TJ-: the mount tool is up to something fishy then
[01:23] <TJ-> pizzaburger: Let's try backing up that file like we did the wrapped-passphrase and then setting the signatures we know into a replacement file.
[01:24] <TJ-> pizzaburger: no, it's doing what it is programmed to do, but when the password changed and the wrapped-passphrase was updated, for some reason these signatures weren't updated... I think :)
[01:25] <TJ-> pizzaburger: so, "sudo mv $HOME/.ecryptfs/Private.sig /root/"
[01:26] <pizzaburger> TJ-: okay
[01:27] <TJ-> pizzaburger:  then " printf "%s\n%s" "769688550d78ced9" "782cb407b85d0079" | tee $HOME/.ecryptfs/Private.sig " ... make sure you don't make any typos!
[01:29] <pizzaburger> TJ-: ">"
[01:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: did you mistype a double-quote somewhere... that prompt means you've got unbalanced quotes
[01:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: try typing one " and Enter.
[01:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: remember not to include the quotes I use to surround the entire command line
[01:32] <pizzaburger> TJ-:  yup, sorry. Output "769688550d78ced9" and now I'm "769688550d78ced9a1@a1:~$"
[01:32] <TJ-> pizzaburger: check the file content: "cat $HOME/.ecryptfs/Private.sig"
[01:32] <TJ-> pizzaburger: should be those two signatures, one to a line
[01:33] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I'd expect you to see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26001962/
[01:34] <TJ-> pizzaburger: if not, redo the command carefully :)
[01:35] <pizzaburger> TJ-: whoops, I led you wrong. After " printf "%s\n%s" "769688550d78ced9" "782cb407b85d0079" | tee $HOME/.ecryptfs/Private.sig " it was "782cb407b85d0079a1@a1:~$"
[01:36] <TJ-> pizzaburger: OK, check the file as above with the 'cat' command against the pastebin link I gave you. If they're the same we should have fixed it
[01:37] <pizzaburger> TJ-: only gives me the first line
[01:37] <TJ-> pizzaburger: redo the command then. make sure you've got all the balanced " marks, that's probably what made it fail
[01:38] <TJ-> pizzaburger: i tested it here first so I know it's not my typo :)
[01:38] <dedze> Hi TJ- I found this in my router logs, how can I investigate it? Inbound Traffic	Blocked - Remote administration	ICMP type 8 code 0 206.117.25.90->109.133.227.22 on ppp0
[01:38] <TJ-> dedze: what is there to investigate?
[01:39] <digcloud> In Ubuntu 17 desktop, I can't see normal tray things. Is there some way to show the tray so I can access things like parcellite settings?
[01:41] <pizzaburger> TJ-: still only the first line
[01:42] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it should print the first line, the second line and *without a new line* the shell prompt on top of the 2nd line
[01:43] <TJ-> pizzaburger: as in the 2nd line being "782cb407b85d0079a1@a1:~$" or similar
[01:43] <pizzaburger> TJ-: yes that is it
[01:43] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it's because the file doesn't end with a \n linefeed
[01:44] <TJ-> pizzaburger: OK!!!!! right, here's fingers crossed: "ecryptfs-mount-private"
[01:47] <dedze> TJ-: I think I'm hacked for sure this time, internet died while I asked you the question oO
[01:47] <TJ-> dedze: I doubt it, you'd be bleeding all over if you were :)
[01:48] <pizzaburger> TJ-:  back to "a1@a1:~$"
[01:48] <TJ-> pizzaburger: Ooooo! check for your files with "ls -al  $HOME/"
[01:49] <pizzaburger> TJ-: wall of text
[01:49] <TJ-> pizzaburger: directory names, filenames, that make sense?
[01:49] <pizzaburger> TJ-: a lot of "?"
[01:49] <TJ-> pizzaburger: really? oh grrr
[01:50] <TJ-> pizzaburger: that means the 32-digit hex key you found is the wrong one!
[01:50] <TJ-> pizzaburger: OR you typed it incorrectly
[01:50] <pizzaburger> TJ-: yeah, a lot of lines scrolled by, the bottom 50 or so include a lot of "?"
[01:51] <TJ-> pizzaburger: let's unmount it so we don't make any damage: "sudo umount /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.Private "
[01:53] <pizzaburger> TJ-: "/home/.ecryptfs/a1/.Private: not mounted."
[01:54] <TJ-> pizzaburger: hmmm. check if any are with "grep ecryptfs /proc/mounts"
[01:54] <TJ-> pizzaburger: if it is mounted you'd expect to see 1 line which mentions /home/a1 in the 2nd column
[01:55] <pizzaburger> TJ-: one long line with /home/a1
[01:56] <TJ-> pizzaburger: right, does it start /home/a1/.Private ?
[01:56] <pizzaburger> TJ-: yes
[01:56] <TJ-> pizzaburger: if so, the unmount command should be "sudo umount /home/a1/.Private"
[01:56] <pizzaburger> TJ-: ok
[01:58] <TJ-> pizzaburger: right! so now we've got to figure out what to do. We either return those backup files and leave it in the original state where you don't know the unwrap password, or we re-try the writing of the replacement wrapped-passphrase file once again to ensure te 32-dight hex key is 100% accurate.
[01:58] <TJ-> pizzaburger: other than that, if you can afford to lose whatever data is in the home directory, you can reinstall. I now know what the issue is there so there's no more diagnostic data to be had
[01:59] <TJ-> pizzaburger: probably don't need to reinstall actually; removing and recreating the user account would be sufficient
[02:00] <pizzaburger> TJ-: well the 32 digit hex sequence I have HAS to be the one from installation
[02:00] <pizzaburger> TJ-: i must have typed it wrong
[02:00] <TJ-> pizzaburger: or, create a second user account and use that for now leaving the temporarily inaccessible account 'a1' aas is
[02:00] <TJ-> pizzaburger: yes, that's what I think. So why not create a 2nd user account for now, and then we can give it another go when we've rested some :)
[02:00] <dedze> TJ-: My internet died twice since I sent you the first message and that I changed my routeur settings, isnt it the sign of a hack ongoing?
[02:01] <TJ-> pizzaburger: now we know the process I can give you a script to do it in 5 seconds
[02:01] <TJ-> dedze: why are you fixated on a 'hack'? No, it isn't, it's a sign you've got a bad connection!
[02:05] <pizzaburger> TJ-: I successsfully logged in through the GUI to a1 but its a fresh new user it seems
[02:05] <TJ-> pizzaburger: to create a new user called 'a2' without encrypted home directory, do "sudo adduser --add_extra_groups a2" and follow the instructions
[02:06] <TJ-> pizzaburger: No it isn't, but either the ecryptfs hasn't been mounted so you only see those few ecryptfs entries, or it has mounted and you'll just have garbage filenames on show
[02:07] <TJ-> pizzaburger: if it has mounted you're running the risk of causing corruption because things will be written into there
[02:08] <pizzaburger> TJ-: well everything is missing and all the settings like display arrangement has reset. Okay, I logged out
[02:09] <TJ-> pizzaburger: create that 2nd user for now. You'll need to add it as a sudo user once you've created it. To add it to sudo group do "sudo adduser a2 sudo"
[02:10] <TJ-> pizzaburger: 'missing' etc, means the config files aren't there, either because it didn't mount the ecryptfs, or because it did but it mounted garbage as you saw in the terminal earlier with all those ?????
[02:13] <pizzaburger> TJ-: okay, logged in to a2
[02:14] <dedze_> TJ-: sorry I keep getting disconnected, isnt that worrying that my internet keep dying, it's the 6th time in 20 minutes??
[02:14] <dedze_> Right when I'm trying to secure my routeur more
[02:14] <dedze_> I factory reseted the routeur, and it still disconected 2 times after it
[02:14] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I'll write a script tommorrow to automate the setting of the wrapped-passphrase, etc, and let you have it next time we see each other. It'll prevent all this back and forth and should do the job in a few seconds
[02:15] <TJ-> dedze_: is the router losing the ISP connection?
[02:15] <dedze_> TJ-: How can I find this out?
[02:15] <pizzaburger> TJ-: alright, awesome, thanks a million for helping me out so much!
[02:15] <TJ-> pizzaburger: you're welcome; it's been an interesting challenge
[02:16] <dedze_> TJ-: I just deactivated and it seems to not disconnect now, only my father's phone was connected through it
[02:16] <dedze_> deactivated the wifi
[02:16] <pizzaburger> TJ-: one last q.: do you have some formal education in programing, linux, etc, or all self learned knowledge?
[02:16] <TJ-> dedze_: you'd need to check the router admin interface, maybe it keeps logs
[02:17] <dedze_> It does, I'm right into them right now
[02:17] <TJ-> pizzaburger: all self-taught through coding and experimentation
[02:17] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I've been coding since 1981 though :)
[02:17] <dedze_> TJ-: Is it safe to share the logs in a pastebin here?
[02:17] <TJ-> dedze_: sure
[02:18] <dedze_> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26002279/
[02:19] <TJ-> dedze_: well it seems to know what's going on, all those repeated "No IP for NAT - connections may fail"
[02:20] <pizzaburger> TJ-: soo much knowledge, its awesome. I wish I had better computer literacy.
[02:20] <TJ-> dedze_: so you need to find out what that means - it may mean the ISP's link dropped so the router lost it's public IP address, or it may mean something about the internal LAN-side config. If you've been changing any router settings that'd be the first place to look
[02:20] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it's thousands of hours spent chasing down issues like this, digging into the source code, to understand it
[02:20] <dedze_> TJ-: Look at the kind of logs I had before resetting the routeur : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26002289/
[02:21] <pizzaburger> TJ-: yeah theres no way i would have kept my sanity if I had tried to solve this issue on my own
[02:22] <TJ-> dedze_: so something in the router config is bad then. Maybe you need to work through it ensuring all the basics are done. do a web search for that "No IP for NAT - connections may fail" error along with the make/model of the router and you may find some clues
[02:22] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it was beginning to make me feel the same way!
[02:22] <TJ-> pizzaburger: but I've learned you jsut keep following the scent, check every last bit, and you'll find evidence eventually that leads to an explanation and/or solution
[02:23] <TJ-> pizzaburger: right! I'm off to bedski... 02:22 here
[02:23] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Good advice. Anyways im off too, 0423 here. Thanks a ton again!
[02:24] <TJ-> pizzaburger: g'night
[02:24] <pizzaburger> TJ-: bye!
[02:27] <Aaaaand> alkisg: I downgraded to firefox 56 and all works fine, hope it will get fixed soon..
[02:28] <Aaaaand> I can't be the only one with the issue
[02:31] <Aaaaand> alkisg: Also upgraded to ubuntu 17.10, thought that might have been the issue but it wasn't
[02:32] <Aaaaand> upgrading to 17.10 wasn't really smooth either but I think I fixed most of the things by now
[02:33] <Aaaaand> and apparently dash is gone
[02:34] <Aaaaand> kinda preferred that UI, now it takes the entire screen
[02:35] <dedze_> Would a TCP reset attack kill my ability to acess internet?
[02:40] <tatertotz> dedze_: is it possible your "inability" to access the internet is related to something else?  Weren't those TCP reset attacks occurring while your internet was working flawlessly? Oh ..you didn't have any reason to look because all was fine eh
[02:41] <tatertotz> dedze_: go back and look...you had TCP resets long before you had internet problems
[02:41] <tatertotz> dedze_: is it possible it's a coincidence
[02:42] <tatertotz> dedze_: these are some things you might want to look more closely at.
[02:46] <dedze_> tatertotz: so what should I do now? :(
[02:46] <dedze_> tatertotz: Skype can't access the front camera on my phone anymore, if it's not the ultimate sign that something is wrong
[02:47] <tatertotz> dedze_: open terminal
[02:47] <dedze_> tatertotz: it's open
[02:47] <tatertotz> dedze_: in terminal>   sudo apt install inxi sosreport pastebinit
[02:48] <tatertotz> dedze_: let me know when it's done
[02:48] <dedze_> tatertotz: BTW my router keeps getting spammed from an IP in the netherlands
[02:49] <tatertotz> dedze_: take a screen shot of it. do you know how to take a screen shot?
[02:49] <tatertotz> dedze_: let me know when it's done
[02:49] <dedze_> tatertotz: Yes I know but I think it's easier to paste in a bin, I've been monitoring the logs of the router for a few hours and it keeps spamming
[02:50] <dedze_> A hundred connection attempt in 3sec
[02:50] <dedze_> Few minutes break
[02:50] <dedze_> etc
[02:50] <tatertotz> dedze_: oh..you want your "own brand" of help....then i suggest you create your own recipe "from scratch".
[02:51] <dedze_> tatertotz: No sorry :'( Im just trying to share the information i gathered
[02:51] <tatertotz> dedze_: share that later..maybe after following the steps
[02:51] <leftyfb> tatertotz: there's no need for the attitude
[02:52] <tatertotz> that wasn't attitude, what type of super human abilities is it you have that let's you detect emotional intent over the internet?...that's not a real question...just try to keep perspective
[02:55] <dedze_> tatertotz: Should I take a screenshot of the terminal?
[02:56] <tatertotz> dedze_: no
[02:57] <dedze_> tatertotz: I entered the command, it asked my password, I put it then it asked my confirmation, I wrote Y then it finished and nothing else happened
[02:58] <tatertotz> dedze_: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[02:58] <tatertotz> dedze_: share url/link here
[02:59] <tatertotz> dedze_: if you do not get a url/link...say so
[03:00] <dedze_> tatertotz: It worked!! http://paste.ubuntu.com/26002473/
[03:02] <dedze_> tatertotz: BTW it is a fresh install from a few days ago, and I didnt do much with it except installing skype and firefox extensions
[03:03] <tatertotz> dedze_: your internet connection is going out periodically? yes or no
[03:03] <dedze_> tatertotz: yes, but not everyday
[03:03] <dedze_> tatertotz: It died about 10 times in an hour
[03:04] <tatertotz> dedze_: do you remember about what time of day or about what time the symptom occurred?
[03:04] <dedze_> Today, less than an hour ago I would say
[03:04] <dedze_> And a few days before, like 5
[03:04] <tatertotz> dedze_: in terminal>    sudo sosreport
[03:04] <dedze_> yes
[03:05] <tatertotz> dedze_: press enter to skip any questions that you cannot answer
[03:05] <tatertotz> dedze_: you won't be able to answer %100 of them
[03:05] <dedze_> tatertotz: This ubuntu install was done on the 16th I think
[03:05] <dedze_> Oki
[03:05] <tatertotz> dedze_: let me know when done
[03:07] <dedze_> tatertotz: It's asking my first initial and last name
[03:07] <dedze_> I never entered my real name when installing ubuntu
[03:07] <dedze_> So what should I put?
[03:07] <tatertotz> dedze_: your first initial is "d" lastname is "edze"
[03:08] <tatertotz> dedze_: your first initial is "d" lastname is "edze"= dedze....get it?
[03:09] <tatertotz> dedze_: make sense now?
[03:09] <tatertotz> dedze_: ;)
[03:09] <dedze_> tatertotz: I understand yep but is it asking for my real life name or the name I gave the computer when installing Ubuntu?
[03:10] <tatertotz> dedze_: ok now try not to read too much into it...its really not that serious
[03:10] <tatertotz> dedze_: you can read about it online by using a search engine later today or tomorrow
[03:11] <tatertotz> dedze_: is it done?...or are you still struggling with the two questions it asks?
[03:15] <dedze> tatertotz: It's finished
[03:16] <tatertotz> dedze: sudo chown 1000:1000 /tmp/sos* ; mv /tmp/sos* ~/
[03:16] <dedze> tatertotz: What will it do?
[03:17] <tatertotz> dedze: allow me to try to elaborate...and don't be offended
[03:18] <dedze> tatertotz: Don't worry I wont be offended I think
[03:18] <tatertotz> dedze: i have to get information to help you that you would never speak, that you would never type.....if you had the "key" in your brain..you would have solved the issue or opened the "hypothetical LOCK" without needing to come here and all by your self....get it?
[03:20] <dedze> tatertotz: I get it but I googled and it says sudo chwon will change the ownership of some files, it doesnt sound like something I'd want to do
[03:20] <tatertotz> dedze: i understand
[03:20] <tatertotz> dedze: then don't do it...we stop here...it's that simple
[03:21] <dedze> tatertotz: Well oki, thank you for your time ^^
[03:51] <masterasia> so if I encrypt my ssh key - the keyfile will store the encrypted version(with the decrypted version only in memory)?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:19] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje, hi all :)
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: FF 57 is slow on my side, blue dot keeps loading and hangs at TLS handshakes load etc
[06:24]  * alkisg just realized that he hasn't restarted firefox since 56 :D
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: let me know what you feel
[06:34] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: I don't see any big changes, except for the toolbar. I'm sure servo has a lot of differences, but nothing that I notice in a few mins of surfing... No delays in handshakes either
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: how much ram are you on?
[06:36] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: 8 GB, but I'm using a lot of it in VMs and other programs
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> right
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: im testing from 2gig ram & ssd
[06:36] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: does `free` show swap use?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: used: 0
[06:37] <alkisg> Then RAM isn't the issue
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: previous 56 FF went just fine
[06:38] <alkisg> Yeah I heard others needing to downgrade to fix issues...
[08:03] <SlashLife^work> Morning :)
[08:05] <SlashLife^work> 16.04: When I lock my screen, sometimes for no apparent reason the password field starts to fill itself and lock up. There are no keys pressed on the keyboard, nor is it a keyboard malfunction. I can switch to a text console and use it just fine.
[08:05] <SlashLife^work> Any idea how to fix this, or at least what is causing this?
[08:10] <cuddlesquid> would anyone be able to assist me, after installing cuda toolkit 9 with my gtx 280, i get a The system is running in low-graphics mode upon reboot
[08:17] <alkisg> SlashLife^work: also mention your desktop environment, e.g. unity, gnome, lxde, kde, mate...
[08:19] <SlashLife^work> alkisg: Ah, sorry; plain Ubuntu installation; I think that's Unity?
[08:19] <alkisg> SlashLife^work: in 16.04, yes I think it's unity.I'm not using unity, but it'll be helpful for someone that is, so that they have more info to answer
[08:20] <SlashLife^work> Sure; I know how IRCing works. Thanks for pointing out that bit. :)
[08:20] <hateball> cuddlesquid: seems gtx280 depends on 340 series (legacy) driver, so make sure you havent installed anything newer with cuda
[08:20] <cuddlesquid> hateball, hmm i have used the toolkit version 9, by legacy driver meaning i need an older toolkit yes?
[08:21] <cuddlesquid> will this be Ok to install on Ubuntu 16.04
[08:21] <cuddlesquid> Thank you hateball !
[08:22] <cuddlesquid> hateball, oh i havent installed any other driver, but the cuda toolkit, now im a little confused :/
[08:22] <mohshami> hey guys, I'm trying to log in as a user with su, but when I try to do so the user is getting logged out immediately, this is the error I see in /var/log/auth.log "pam_systemd(su:session): Cannot create session: Already running in a session", any idea what could be causing this?
[08:22] <hateball> cuddlesquid: you need the nvidia binary driver installed for CUDA to work
[08:22] <hateball> cuddlesquid: you can install it from a tty using the "ubuntu-drivers" command
[08:23] <cuddlesquid> hateball, that is strange i did not have to do that with my nvida 1050 or the 760, could it be something preinstalled on ubuntu 16.04 to recognize 1050 and 760 but not the 280
[08:23] <cuddlesquid> nvidia*
[08:23] <hateball> cuddlesquid: But as far as CUDA itself goes, I have no idea which versions are compatible with what version of nvidia driver
[08:24] <hateball> cuddlesquid: If you check the "install additional stuff" during install, it will fetch the nvidia blob. 1050 and 760 uses the newer series of driver also
[08:24] <cuddlesquid> the thing is cuda itself is a driver though
[08:24] <cuddlesquid> i did not check additional stuff
[08:25] <cuddlesquid> the cuda itself should be a driver
[08:25] <cuddlesquid> https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-legacy-gpus
[08:25] <SlashLife^work> mohshami: Sounds like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825949
[08:26] <mohshami> SlashLife^work: Thanks, I saw the link, but couldn't find a solution
[08:26] <SlashLife^work> Seemingly neither could they. :(
[08:27] <mohshami> SlashLife^work: Ouch :(, what to do now?
[08:27] <mohshami> any idea where the systemd sessions are stored?
[08:29] <alkisg> mohshami: does sudo work?
[08:30] <mohshami> alkisg: sadly no
[08:30] <alkisg> mohshami: try asking in #systemd...
[08:30] <mohshami> alkisg: that is the error I get when I run sudo su
[08:30] <alkisg> Eh
[08:30] <mohshami> alkisg: will do, thanks :)
[08:30] <alkisg> Not sudo su
[08:30] <alkisg> sudo -i -u blabla
[08:31] <alkisg> No need to use both sudo and su
[08:31] <alkisg> Either use su - user, or sudo -i -u user
[08:31] <simon> hi. I've attached two monitors to my docking station and 'arandr' detects them, but for some reason nothing shows up on the third screen. it did some days ago. I'm using XFCE4.
[08:31] <mohshami> alkisg: I can switch to root without issues, it's switching to that user that doesn't work
[08:31] <alkisg> mohshami: there are 2 programs to switch users, sudo and su. Don't use both of them at the same command.
[08:32] <alkisg> mohshami: try this line: sudo -i -u user. Without writing "su" anywhere.
[08:36] <simon> I'll try and use another window manager.
[08:38] <soinner> i want to install ubuntu (any OS actually) on my computer, but i cant get it to load from USB. can't enter my bios settings either (error: could not set efi variable 'osindications'. how can i fix this if at all?
[08:38] <soinner> also, i don't have a working OS on that computer as of now so i'm stuck in a grub menu
[08:44] <oerheks> soinner, see the UEFI manual, disable secure boot and Intel ME, etc ..
[08:44] <oerheks> !uefi
[08:51] <mohshami> alkisg: sudo -i -u edxapp ls returns nothing
[08:53] <mohshami> sorry, wrong window
[08:54] <alkisg> soinner: how did you get this grub menu, from some previous ubuntu installation in your disk that is now broken?
[08:55] <soinner> previous installation, yes..... it's not really broken, i just deleted the wrong files and now i can't use my mouse/touchpad or keyboard
[08:56] <soinner> basically removed the libinput i think
[08:56] <soinner> but still, obviously something wrong with my uefi
[08:59] <alkisg> soinner: if you press "c" in grub, you get a console, from which you can type: set root=(hd1,msdos1) <enter> configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg etc etc, and load grub from a live cd or stick
[09:00] <alkisg> So you bypass the need to find how to boot a live stick from your uefi
[09:19] <soinner> thanks  alkisg
[09:19] <alkisg> np
[09:20] <soinner> how do i mount an USB disk in the grub console?
[09:22] <alkisg> soinner: set root=(hd  ==> press tab there, it should already list your stick
[09:22] <alkisg> tab 2 times to autocomplete
[09:22] <soinner> alkisg that's the think, it only lists hd0 with two partitions and cd0
[09:24] <soinner> but, i have a ubuntustudio distro which does not have mouse/keyboard in X11.... maybe i can boot to the CLI of my existing system and fix it from there?
[09:24] <alkisg> soinner: hrm, then your uefi doesn't give access to the stick, sorry. It normally does. You probably disabled it somewhere in its options.
[09:24] <alkisg> soinner: sure, you can try that
[09:24] <soinner> my stick never gets access
[09:24] <soinner> damn it
[09:25] <alkisg> soinner: you can even add options to your existing grub, for network booting, or from booting from an .iso inside your hard disk
[09:25] <ducasse> soinner: is this a laptop or desktop?
[09:26] <soinner> laptop
[09:27] <ducasse> soinner: you might get your firmware working again by clearing the nvram, but i would ask for advice in ##hardware first
[09:28] <soinner> so, sorry for being quite ignorant of these matters, but set root= then tab basically lists my /folder?
[09:28] <bazhang> soinner, you currently have a working ub untustuido install?
[09:28] <soinner> bazhang yes it's working, but keyboard/mouse is not working under X11
[09:29] <soinner> its autologin and i can't get it to give me a CLI terminal no matter what i press during boot
[09:29] <bazhang> soinner, whats to stop you from installing a lubuntu-desktop
[09:30] <soinner> bazhang my intellect
[09:30] <soinner> bazhang but i can't get my uefi to boot from usb
[09:30] <soinner> and i can't get access to uefi/bios
[09:30] <alkisg> soinner: in grub, you select recovery mode, then go you go to a recovery menu. Does the keyboard work there?
[09:30] <bazhang> soinner, get into the ubuntustudio, then apt install lubuntu-studio
[09:31] <alkisg> bazhang: he can't type. No keyboard.
[09:31] <soinner> alkisg yes it works there
[09:31] <soinner> but my options are highly limited
[09:31] <alkisg> soinner: ok, select (1) enable networking, (2) root shell
[09:31] <alkisg> Then, type: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:31] <alkisg> See if that fixes your install after rebooting
[09:31] <bazhang> alkisg, he can or cannot
[09:32] <alkisg> bazhang: he can type in recovery, but not when the desktop boots
[09:32] <alkisg> So I'm giving him instructions for the recovery
[09:32] <bazhang> alkisg, thus my suggestion
[09:32] <soinner> allright i enabled networking and am in root shell prompt now
[09:32] <alexas> i am having the ubuntu iso downloaded, how to record it as installable program to the medium of usb drive, from shell?
[09:32] <alkisg> Type apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:32] <alkisg> soinner: if you see any errors, do tell
[09:33] <soinner> my network doesnt work apparently
[09:33] <soinner> failed to fetch, falure resolving etc
[09:33] <alkisg> soinner: nano /etc/resolv.conf
[09:33] <alkisg> Put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" as the last line
[09:33] <alkisg> Ctrl+O to save, Ctrl+X to exit
[09:33] <alkisg> Then try again
[09:34] <soinner> sorry, didn't catch it the first time: grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
[09:34] <alkisg> Never mind type this: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf
[09:35] <soinner> No such file or directory
[09:35] <ThinkT510> nano would create the file if it doesn't exist
[09:37] <soinner> making it now
[09:37] <soinner> should i just leave it empty and save it?
[09:37] <soinner> or put in nameserver 8.8.8.8
[09:38] <soinner> yeah i cant save either
[09:38] <neure> uh
[09:38] <neure> i try to take a screenshot of menu
[09:38] <neure> but menu always disappears and does not show up in screenshot
[09:39] <oerheks> neure, gnome-screenshot ( standard) got a timer function
[09:40] <neure> ah that did, thanks
[09:41] <soinner> now i've got the lubuntu install usb mounted. is it possible to boot to this from recovery mode?
[09:44] <Asad2005> Someone please help i can not access my terminals (TTYs) with alt+ctrl+Function keys, i reset all shortcuts from keyboard settings still same ubuntu 17.10
[09:44] <soinner> would it be possible to get some dpkg file for libinput so i could copy it and install it in recovery mode?
[09:45] <Asad2005> gnome 17.10
[09:48] <alexas> Asad2005: ubuntu 17.10 use Unity as GUI
[09:48] <alexas> anyone know how to flash usb pen drive with ubuntu.iso from ubuntu istelf?
[09:48] <ThinkT510> no, 17.10 uses gnome by default
[09:49] <alexas> ThinkT510: can you helpme with my quetion, please? I thought it Unity, I read it somewhere, sorry.
[09:49] <oerheks> alexas,  tons of tutorials online, https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[09:50] <alexas> i just want one single shell command, am extremely lazy =) oerheks but thanks, will check
[09:50] <oerheks> don't forget the 'sync' part after that
[09:50] <oerheks> alexas, yes, you are lazy
[09:50] <ThinkT510> alexas: i like to use dd. make sure there is nothing on the pen you want to keep
[09:51] <alkisg> soinner: when you enable networking, it remounts / as read-write. It sounds like you didn't enable networking. Can you `touch /hello`, or does it say read-only?
[09:52] <Dishonored> Hello, I'm trying a fresh install of lubuntu over my previous opensuse install. I choose to wipe the whole hard drive and install lubuntu but grub cannot be installed. Grub is already installed before. Is it the reason?
[09:52] <soinner> alkisg: touch hello?
[09:52] <alexas> oerheks: thanks for confirming that!
[09:53] <soinner> alkisg: i tried to edit resolv.conf but can't write to it so yes... read-only
[09:53] <soinner> so, i try enable networking again
[09:53] <soinner> unknown group power in message bus
[09:54] <soinner> and grep: /etch/resolv.conf: no such
[09:54] <bazhang> etch?
[09:54] <Asad2005> ThinkT510: What shortcut keys to use to access TTYs in gnome ?
[09:54] <alkisg> soinner: when you selected "enable networking" in recovery mode, did it show any errors?
[09:54] <soinner> yes, "unknown group "power" in message bus...."
[09:55] <soinner> and "grep: /etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory"
[09:55] <alkisg> Hm. Anyway, try: mount -o remount,rw /
[09:55] <alkisg> touch /hello
[09:55] <alkisg> Does that work now?
[09:55] <soinner> however, my recovery menu now states: (filesystem state: read/write)
[09:55] <soinner> 2 sec
[09:56] <soinner> no it doesnt work only gives me help instructions for mount
[09:56] <Dishonored> grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. " this is the error I received.
[09:56] <alkisg> soinner: try again, you misstyped something
[09:57] <soinner> -o is lower case letter o right?
[09:57] <soinner> sorry tried them both in one line
[09:57] <soinner> jeez
[09:57] <ThinkT510> Asad2005: ctrl+alt+function keys is what I thought. I don't know if that needs to be enabled somehow or if wayland changes anything in that regard
[09:58] <soinner> both commands typed, no error message alkisg
[09:58] <alkisg> soinner: ok, now type: rm /etc/resolv.conf
[09:58] <alkisg> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf
[09:58] <alkisg> apt-get update
[09:58] <alkisg> Any success?
[09:59] <Asad2005> ThinkT510: I am not using wayland as i have nvidia card
[09:59] <soinner> yeah still can't download index files alkisg
[09:59] <alkisg> soinner: type: dhclient
[10:00] <alkisg> soinner: then: ping 8.8.8.8
[10:00] <alkisg> Can you ping it?
[10:00] <alkisg> (Ctrl+C to stop the ping)
[10:00] <soinner> no response on dhclient
[10:00] <ThinkT510> Asad2005: by default 17.10 uses wayland unless you've logged into a xorg session. i think nouveau supports wayland so it would work with a nvidia card
[10:00] <friendlyguy> hi there
[10:01] <soinner> fuck it
[10:01] <soinner> fuck this
[10:01] <soinner> thanks for your help
[10:01] <alkisg> np
[10:01] <soinner> but i'm not up for it
[10:01] <bazhang> soinner, no cursing here
[10:01] <soinner> sorry
[10:01] <friendlyguy> i am wondering whats the correct way to get a new dhcp lease?
[10:01] <soinner> didn't know
[10:01] <alkisg> No response => maybe disconnected cable...
[10:01] <alkisg> friendlyguy: what are you trying to achieve?
[10:01] <friendlyguy> its 16.04 xenial
[10:01] <friendlyguy> getting a new dhcp lease :)
[10:02] <alkisg> friendlyguy: your router will give you the same dhcp lease
[10:02] <alkisg> friendlyguy: leases are for a couple of days, usually
[10:02] <friendlyguy> i changed some parameters on the dhcp server... so there will be a difference ;)
[10:03] <Dishonored> Can somebody help me
[10:03] <alkisg> friendlyguy: if you want to do a test request, you can use `/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0`
[10:03] <friendlyguy> dhcp isnt on a router here... dedicated dhcp server
[10:03] <friendlyguy> nope, i want a new lease :)
[10:03] <alkisg> Otherwise, you can just re-click the connection on network-manager
[10:03] <friendlyguy> its a server without de
[10:03] <alkisg> OK, then `service networking restart`
[10:04] <alkisg> #ubuntu is mostly for desktop, while #ubuntu-server for servers
[10:04] <alkisg> You can also just unplug/replug the network cable
[10:04] <friendlyguy> oh, whoops :)
[10:04] <friendlyguy> yeah, but that would involve to walk to the datacenter ;)
[10:05] <alkisg> (12:03:58 μμ) alkisg: OK, then `service networking restart`
[10:05] <friendlyguy> aah, restarting the service did work
[10:05] <friendlyguy> thanks
[10:05] <alkisg> np
[10:05] <friendlyguy> i tried: sudo dhclient -r; sudo dhclient
[10:05] <Lavinho> good morning
[10:05] <friendlyguy> didnt work though
[10:06] <Falklan> hello! I am seeking help with a closed ports problem on 16.04.
[10:07] <Lavinho> I installed ubuntu 17.10 on acer es1-132 but I can only boot with the refind live usb
[10:08] <Lavinho> I already installed the refind on the esp partition (efi)
[10:08] <Lavinho> but no bootable device
[10:08] <Lavinho> help me please
[10:08] <friendlyguy> alkisg: thank you!
[10:08] <friendlyguy> have a nice day
[10:09] <Falklan> Lavinho did you set the HDD or SSD as the boot device in the boot options in your BIOS?
[10:09] <Lavinho> emmc
[10:09] <Lavinho> set
[10:09] <alkisg> friendlyguy: np, same to you :)
[10:10] <przemo> Hi, I need some help installing a dual boot Ubuntu alongside windows 10. I have an SSD which windows is currently installed on, and a 1TB HDD which is currently NTFS, I want to resize the HDD and create a partition for Ubuntu install on it. GParted doesn't allow me to create an extended partition, only a primary one. What do I do
[10:10] <alkisg> przemo: it sounds like it's gpt, not mbr, so it doesn't have extended
[10:10] <alkisg> przemo: output of sudo parted -l, to make sure...
[10:11] <przemo> alkisg https://pastebin.com/Rmz3tihA
[10:12] <alkisg> przemo: yup, it's gpt. They don't need/support extended partitions.
[10:12] <przemo> so creating a new bootable usb with mbr enabled (yes i have set it to be GPT only) should make it work?
[10:12] <przemo> i used rufus
[10:12] <Lavinho> Falklan: help  me please
[10:12] <Falklan> I'm thinking
[10:13] <Dishonored> Is there any problem if EFi partion is /dev/sdaX
[10:13] <alkisg> przemo: grub will go in your EFI partition, sdb2. The stick can be anything that your firmware supports booting from, either mbr or gpt.
[10:14] <przemo> okay i'll try again and come back in a while if it still doesn't work
[10:15] <alkisg> przemo: ok, make sure you check the "uefi" option in rufus
[10:15] <Falklan> Lavinho have you used anything to check the HDD?
[10:15] <Shibe> guys is there any ppa for latest snappy from git?
[10:15] <Lavinho> was well ?
[10:16] <Lavinho> as well
[10:16] <Lavinho> ?
[10:16] <bazhang> Shibe, why not ask in #snappy
[10:16] <Falklan> Lavinho if its old enough to have jumpers, are the jumper(s) set correctly?
[10:16] <Falklan> Yes i would use the manufacturer's app to test it.
[10:17] <Lavinho> new
[10:17] <Lavinho> one week
[10:19] <Falklan> I would test it just to confirm that it is functioning properly
[10:19] <Falklan> You have the OS installed, you have it set as the boot device in BIOS so it should be working right?
[10:20] <Falklan> and I just resolved my closed port problem... :)
[10:20] <Lavinho> yes
[10:20] <Lavinho> partitions
[10:21] <Lavinho> efi 500 mb
[10:21] <Lavinho> ext4 rest disk
[10:21] <Lavinho> rest of the disk
[10:22] <Falklan> i would check it
[10:23] <Lavinho> i verified
[10:23] <Lavinho> but pc only uefi
[10:23] <Lavinho> disable secure boot
[10:23] <Lavinho> but no boot
[10:24] <Lavinho> message no bootable device
[10:24] <Lavinho> only boot refind
[10:24] <Golynx> How do I replace Xubuntu with Ubuntu and keep my apps and data?
[10:24] <Lavinho> usb stickl
[10:24] <Falklan> i would check the HDD
[10:24] <Lavinho> emmc
[10:24] <Lavinho> no hdd
[10:24] <Golynx> Do I have to back up the apps?
[10:25] <Falklan> oh sorry I wasnt paying attention to the emmc.
[10:26] <Golynx> How do I clear the Xubuntu partition and replace it with Ubuntu?
[10:26] <Ben64> you can just sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[10:27] <Golynx> It's currently dual boot Windows 10 and Xubuntu
[10:27] <Falklan> sorry Lavinho, I have no experience with that hardware setup.
[10:28] <Golynx> @Ben64 will that install the Ubuntu UI?
[10:28] <Ben64> Golynx: yep
[10:29] <Golynx> @Ben64 i'm assuming that option will keep the current Xubuntu install and I just choose Ubuntu on login screen right?
[10:29] <oerheks> install *-desktop, logout, switch, login
[10:30] <Golynx> @oerheks @Ben64 thanks
[10:34] <rory> I use rsync to back up my home directory to an USB flash drive, but it is still writing for some minutes after. I ran "sync" command but it has been hanging for 10 mins
[10:34] <rory> Is there some way to use rsync in such a way that the data is immediately written? Or can this be achieved via mount option?
[10:38] <psav> Does anyone know if there is a kernel issue with brightness controls on a Lenovo P50?
[10:38] <alkisg> rory: what do you mean "after", that rsync finished and you have the shell prompt back, yet the stick is still writing data? That doesn't happen by default for sticks...
[10:38] <jnor> hi, question regarding terminal background colors,  I use urxvt term which has background color set in ~/.xdefaults, but I also use byobu and when I try to change background color in .byobu/color it does not register, any idea? would like normal urxvt session to be one color and byobu another
[10:41] <rory> alkisg: It's happening here. I got the shell back, but if I try to unmount it says a process is using it. if I use lsof I can see it's an rsync process
[10:41] <rory> it finished now but it took about 15 mins for 80 gig of data
[10:41] <rory> also my flash drive is HOT
[10:41] <alkisg> rory: then you have a script that puts rsync to the background?
[10:41] <alkisg> it's strange for rsync to finish AND have a process  in ps...
[10:41] <rory> no I just used rsync, rsync said process finished
[10:41] <rory> right
[10:41] <alkisg> Hrm
[10:41] <rory> hence my question ;)
[10:42] <rory> I think it doesn't show as a flash drive or something. it's a microSD adaptor
[10:42] <alkisg> AFAIK, those drives get mounted without cache enabled
[10:43] <alkisg> So, the question is mostly "why rsync returns when it hasn't finished"...
[10:44] <alkisg> Are you using some "weird" rsync option?
[10:44] <alkisg> (like, --daemon or something...)
[10:45] <rory> no just -av
[10:45] <rory> I'm going to chalk it up to some MATE weirdness, which I know isn't supported here
[10:45] <rory> to do with mounting drives
[10:45] <alkisg> Ubuntu MATE is supported here too
[10:46] <alkisg> And, drive mounting is the same in all flavors
[10:47] <tomeaton17> I am trying to add a script to my startup. I added it to init.d and tried to run update-rc.d scriptname.sh defaults 100, but I get lots of errors about permission being denied. How do I fix this?
[10:47] <rory> might need to set the executable permission: sudo chmod +x /path/to/scriptname.sh
[10:49] <alkisg> tomeaton17: eh, "use sudo", but... why are you using init.d now with systemd?
[10:49] <ShutterFox> I thought that was a+x?
[10:49] <tomeaton17> I already gave the perms. Not sure why Im not using systemd, is that the best way to do it?
[10:50] <alkisg> tomeaton17: what does the script do, why do you want it to run at boot?
[10:51] <alkisg> (e.g. you might _think_ you want to run it at boot, when you really want to run it inside the user session...)
[10:51] <tomeaton17> alkisg: It starts my vpn server
[10:51] <tomeaton17> So I think I do want it running at boot
[10:52] <alkisg> tomeaton17: Indeed. The best way would be to create a systemd unit.
[10:52] <alkisg> Don't bother with init.d nowadays, it's only for legacy stuff
[11:00] <tomeaton17> Ok, I ended up installing a version of my vpn that works with systemctl
[11:21] <alexas> hen i work in a tty terminal my system shut down the computer because it thinks that it is in no activity state according to the power settings, what is the simplest solution to this problem?
[11:41] <alexas> oops, mine was a question not a reply or something directed at hen =)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:42] <ShutterFox> Hi
[11:43] <ShutterFox> How's you?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> who me?
[11:54] <ShutterFox> Anyone
[11:54] <ShutterFox> Everyone
[12:02] <znull> hi, anyonne know about the problem with reboot and select proper boot device? do i need to regenerate grub on my usb stick? or somethijng ?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> znull, m,ake sure grub is installed on the device your booting into, unless your usb ci=obntains ani iso/OS image for installation
[12:12] <BluesKaj> contains
[12:14] <ShutterFox> I've given up on getting any sort of bootloader setup, resorted to the boot selection menu on my POST screen
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ShutterFox, , what do you mean?
[12:21] <ShutterFox> I mean whenever I try to get both windows and Linux appearing in the grub boot selection screen it never works
[12:21] <BluesKaj> bet grub is installed, autoboot is probly enabled so the grub bootloader doesn't show
[12:21] <ShutterFox> But then again I pretty much new to Linux.
[12:22] <ShutterFox> Last time I tried it was with Antergos and it's bootloader showed but couldn't find windows
[12:22] <BluesKaj> are you on windows ?
[12:23] <ShutterFox> Annoying thing was, pages I found online about it all assumed you had both os on the same drive
[12:23] <ShutterFox> Not anymore, switched to Ubuntu over the weekend. Gonna reinstall windows on my other drive for games that don't work on Linux, but that's low priority
[12:24] <ShutterFox> Atm I'm tweaking my i3-gaps setup mainly
[12:24] <BluesKaj> ok ShutterFox try running sudo os-prober, then sudo update grub in the terminal
[12:25] <oerheks> 17.04 kernel update, 4.10.0-40, reboot, brb
[12:25] <BluesKaj> sudo update-grub
[12:28] <ShutterFox> BluesKaj: I did on Antergos and it didn't detect it
[12:28] <ShutterFox> Maybe I'll have more luck with Ubuntu
[12:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, maybe
[12:29] <ShutterFox> Have to reinstall windows first
[12:29] <ShutterFox> Stupid windows only games
[12:29] <BluesKaj> since UEFI was introduced os-prober is iffy
[12:30] <ShutterFox> Ah I see
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ShutterFox, but if you install windows to a different drive, then it mifght work
[12:33] <ShutterFox> Well, it didn't on Antergos but I dunno, I could've just as easily been missing something simple
[12:33] <ShutterFox> So long as their on separate drives I've always got the boot selection from POST to fall back on
[12:34] <BluesKaj> rather than having to change the boot drive sequence everytime you want to change OSs
[12:35] <Doc-Saintly> My VNC connection to my linux server refreshes very slow... each frame takes ~3 seconds, but my connection to download via SCP is ~300 KBps... any ideas?
[12:46] <kazuma_arch> need help
[12:46] <kazuma_arch> my retarded cousin deleted lots of files from /boot
[12:46] <kazuma_arch> on my server
[12:46] <kazuma_arch> he didnt know apt autoremove is how you get rid of 100% space on /boot
[12:47] <kazuma_arch> problem is I can't seem to install the files he deleted back
[12:47] <kazuma_arch> via 'history' i found this: https://i.imgur.com/yrgMDm2.png
[12:48] <kazuma_arch> seems he deleted, abi, config, initrd, system.amp, and vmlinuz
[12:48] <Ben64> lol
[12:48] <oerheks> uh oh, more than just old kernels.. backup data, and try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:49] <Ben64> don't give other people sudo on your server
[12:50]  * oerheks gives Ben64 root @ oerheks-desktop
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> its a ubuntu server
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> headless no DE
[12:50] <Ben64> ok?
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> and I didn't give him sudo
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> he used my laptop when i was vomitting
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> the idiot tihnks he's a genius with his A+
[12:50] <kazuma_arch> https://i.imgur.com/yrgMDm2.png
[12:50] <Ben64> don't leave computers unlocked and alone
[12:51] <hateball> those files are all related to the kernels anyway, so I don't see the issue unless you dont have a single working bootable kernel
[12:51] <hateball> which apparently you do since you can run history
[12:52] <hateball> you can just run apt autoremove after manual rm to update apt
[12:52] <kazuma_arch> hmm
[12:52] <kazuma_arch> ok
[12:53] <kazuma_arch> thanks for the help
[12:53] <akik> well that box won't boot if all the kernels are gone
[12:53] <Neo1> hi
[12:54] <Neo1> I output phpinfo() and have got path to php.ini /opt/php56/etc, but this folder is empty....
[12:55] <oerheks> akik, does his story does not ring a bell ?? he didn t gave him sudo ..
[12:55] <Neo1> Who know where places php.ini file? I've tried this etc/php but thre only 7 version and my version is 5.6
[12:56] <Ben64> where did you install php from
[12:56] <hateball> akik: hence the "unless you dont have a single working bootable kernel", so if this was on a live system they'd have needed to reinstall a kernel package before rebooting
[12:56] <hateball> but since they left, now we wont know
[12:56] <Ben64> nothing should be referencing /opt for php
[12:56] <oerheks> in /opt/php/56/apache2/php.ini ?
[13:00] <Neo1> oerheks: opt folder is empty
[13:00] <Neo1> there none of files
[13:02] <oerheks> Neo1, then i have no clue with that custom install
[13:02] <Neo1> oerheks: usual install on VPS
[13:02] <Neo1> default maybe
[13:02] <oerheks> advise you to move to php7, as you should anyway some day
[13:02] <Neo1> php7 doesn't work with old code
[13:03] <Neo1> I have old code and need 5.6
[13:03] <oerheks> you stated that it only finds php7 ? so you have downloaded and copied 56 yourself
[13:03] <Neo1> oerheks: from ISPmanager I see php5.6 and there installed php 5.6
[13:03] <Neo1> oerheks: see my phpinfo() http://kselax.ru/
[13:04] <Neo1> oerheks: yes, on server I see only php7 and in phpinfo php 5.6
[13:04] <oerheks> it says php.ini is in /opt/php56/etc/
[13:05] <oerheks> but if the folders are not there, there is something odd going on
[13:06] <Neo1> there empty
[13:07] <Neo1> oerheks: oh now appeared
[13:07] <oerheks> :-)
[13:07] <Neo1> oerheks: something strange is happening in your forest
[13:08] <oerheks> are services running with a lot of clients? maybe you need to upgrade your VPS to more ram/cores
[13:08] <Neo1> oerheks: thre 2 core and 1Gb RUM
[13:08] <Neo1> oerheks: it's more than enough, I am thinking more my site to digitalOceean for 5$
[13:09] <Neo1> oerheks: there 500Mb RAM and 1 core, but 20Gb SSD disc, now I've got only 3Gb and not SSD, and for 10$, it's much
[13:10] <oerheks> .. slower?
[13:10] <Neo1> lazy learn new interface
[13:10] <Neo1> oerheks: What is slover? Server on SSD disks is faster
[13:11] <Neo1> just I use long time this host host-food.ru and lazy more
[13:11] <oerheks> no, not always true, 500 mb ram can be the bottleneck
[13:11] <cesdo> hello all
[13:11] <Neo1> shared host used there long time and bought recent VPS
[13:11] <EriC^^> Neo1: 3gb 1 core cpu?
[13:11] <oerheks> anyway, you got the location, have fun!
[13:12] <Neo1> oerheks: there my site with 100 visitor per/day ))), more than enough
[13:12] <general_ghest> hello all
[13:13] <Neo1> EriC^^: in this host-food also existing cheaper, on cheaper doesn't work correct ISPmanager, They advised me to buy this for 10$
[13:14] <Neo1> oerheks: yes got, but there doesn't work other things and all should costomize myself, I used to use shared hosting. It was without problem
[13:16] <dingir> hi
[13:16] <dingir> i have a question somewhat technical
[13:16] <EriC^^> Neo1: ah i see
[13:17] <dingir> i have an encrypted usb stick with a 8gb partition, can i make an image of that 8gb /dev/sdb1 to a file image.bin using dd, then using dd again, put that image.bin file to another usb stick and will it work
[13:17] <dingir> do i have to copy it over an exact same size partition?
[13:17] <dingir> what happens if write that .bin file which is 8gb to a 16gb partition?
[13:17] <dingir> having a 8gb filesystem over a 16gb partition, is this ok?
[13:18] <EriC^^> dingir: why dont you copy the whole disk
[13:18] <Neo1> while I was seeking that php.ini I've forgot what I wanted change.... :(
[13:18] <EriC^^> dingir: if you just copy the partition/fs then it's not going to boot on another usb out of the box without installing grub or making an efi partition etc
[13:19] <dingir> EriC^^ the whole disk?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> dingir, create a partition on the target device slightly larger than the source partition
[13:19] <EriC^^> dingir: yeah using dd with /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1
[13:19] <dingir> i have /dev/sdb   /dev/sdb1 is the only partition, it is encrypted
[13:20] <dingir> slightly or i just dont care if its bigger?
[13:20] <EriC^^> dingir: well to answer your question, no it wont boot out of the box, grub will be missing from the mbr
[13:20] <dingir> no its encrypted with veracrypt.. its to make a backup of it
[13:20] <dingir> and shoot it to the cloud
[13:20] <dingir> i would make a .bin image of that sda device
[13:21] <dingir> so i can dd if=image.bin of=/dev/sdb
[13:21] <dingir> if it was from a 8gb usb stick, its gonna work to put it on a 16gb usb stick?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> too many cooks
[13:27] <alexas> hey guys what is the quickest way to make a mirror image of ubuntu ssd?
[13:28] <EriC^^> alexas: dd it
[13:28] <EriC^^> sudo dd if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/sdy bs=4M status=progress && sync
[13:28] <oerheks> lazy people install clonezilla
[13:28] <oerheks> :-D
[13:30] <EriC^^> dingir: i've never used veracrypt, assuming it doesn't use something related to the actual disk then yeah it should work, you'll have an image of it bit for bit, as for the size if it's a 16gb then you'll be losing 8gb as unallocated space but it'll work
[13:30] <dingir> EriC^^ thanks man im gonna buy a usb stick and try it out
[13:30] <alexas> EriC^^: thanks chief, i can install it later in another frive and get a full system back in case of emergency, right?
[13:31] <dingir> you would say to dd if=/dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 ?
[13:31] <EriC^^> dingir: yeah, use sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdx bs=4M status=progress && sync
[13:31] <EriC^^> alexas: yup
[13:32] <dingir> why block size = 4m ?
[13:33] <EriC^^> dingir: it's faster
[13:33] <EriC^^> (way faster)
[13:33] <dingir> just no arguments, would it work ?
[13:33] <Neo1> I got this error Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required '' (include_path=
[13:33] <EriC^^> yeah but it would take a lot longer, by default it's bs=512bytes, so imagine how many times it'll have to do it
[13:39] <general_ghest> hello all
[13:50] <alexas> what is ubuntu live usb default password? it requested it
[13:51] <Mr_Pan> alexas, no pasword on live
[13:52] <EriC^^> alexas: just press enter and leave it blank
[13:53] <alexas> well it got me to password prompt when i took try ubuntu and just press enter did not work
[13:54] <alexas> ok it works now
[13:54] <alexas> never mind
[14:11] <alexas> how to make ubuntu load libre office writer app with specified document and display it to the user on the startup?
[14:11] <hateball> !autostart
[14:12] <alexas> ok thanks hateball
[14:21] <hateball> alexas: you can use the path to the document as a parameter
[14:21] <hateball> alexas: so just "loffice yourdoc.odt"
[14:32] <Neo1> hey, I long thinking what is permitting should installed?
[14:32] <Neo1> I set 777
[14:33] <Neo1> just if 775 my plugins aren't updating
[14:33] <Neo1> or less
[14:33] <Neo1> there anywhere default of set 755
[14:34] <Neo1> for my plugins can update I should set 777?
[14:34] <psav> Neo1, I'm not sure to what you are referring but generally 777 is considered a bad security practice
[14:35] <Neo1> Wordpress ask me  input login name and password, I created ftp account that is relate to my www-root and
[14:35] <Neo1> psav: I know, it's allow anybody write files to my server folders
[14:36] <zomaar> trying to check if any card listed in the dvb card list will work with my card, but modprobe saa7134 loads saa7134_alsa and I can't unload it.
[14:37] <Neo1> psav: there exists 775 it's allow write only users and owners, but I don't understand why my user can't write when I type ftp login and password?
[14:37] <lolBanana> anyone here familiar with openstack, kubernetes, docker?
[14:37] <zomaar> do you suppose there is any way to unload saa7134_alsa?
[14:38] <orgasmix> cause the files created by the web server have their owner set to www-data, which you are not
[14:38] <zomaar> I got the stuff blacklisted now but now I have to reboot again...
[14:41] <gnostikoi> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu as a guest OS in virtualbox on windows, and I'm wondering what ubuntu iso to use. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_as_Guest_OS this guide reccomends using the server image, while https://linus.nci.nih.gov/bdge/installUbuntu.html this one says to just use the regular image. Ultimately I want to install the xubuntu desktop, but if I use the server image I'd just do a apt-get install xubuntu-des
[14:41] <zomaar> I think if you don't care about having a bit more, the regular image is probably nicer
[14:42] <auronandace> gnostikoi: you could just use the xubuntu image
[14:42] <gnostikoi> coool
[14:42] <gnostikoi> thank you
[14:42] <zomaar> But if you want to see what stuff you need to install manually you could do server.
[14:42] <gnostikoi> the xubuntu-desktop package should pretty much include everything I believe
[14:44] <gnostikoi> This is what it says on the ubuntu wiki:
[14:44] <gnostikoi> >Important: note this step carefully! Select the minimal virtual machine installation mode: >Click the F4 (modes) key -> Install a minimal virtual machine ->
[14:44] <gnostikoi> That's the only reason I was considering using the server image
[14:44] <auronandace> gnostikoi: what are you using the vm for?
[14:45] <zomaar> Everything may not be everything you are used to but I don't know.
[14:45] <zomaar> E.g. Kubuntu comes with more applications than just the kubuntu-desktop meta.
[14:45] <gnostikoi> to use dektop apps mainly, like hexchat, firefox, but also terminal apps and python programming
[14:45] <zomaar> So there's a lot of stuff I needed to install manually when I tried that.
[14:46] <zomaar> So been there, done that :p.
[14:46] <Neo1> I've read all file should be 644 and all directories 755
[14:46] <auronandace> gnostikoi: then the most straightforward thing to do is use the xubuntu image if you want to default to xfce for the desktop
[14:46] <zomaar> Normally they are unless you want to protect your files from prying eyes
[14:46] <zomaar> Neo1
[14:46] <gnostikoi> alright, thank you auronandace
[14:47] <zomaar> Neo1: But the risk of making stuff 640 and 750 is that some programs won't be able to traverse into the required directories.
[14:47] <Neo1> zomaar: and now they can't rich dirrectories
[14:47] <zomaar> Neo1: So in that case you can make your directories 751 and there are less problems.
[14:48] <Neo1> zomaar: without 777, maybe I should create group with 777 and put name and password when update site
[14:48] <ub_ubuntu> Hello, how can i install wayland on ubuntu 17.10
[14:48] <zomaar> what do you mean
[14:48] <auronandace> ub_ubuntu: wayland is installed and used by default on 17.10
[14:49] <ub_ubuntu> The ubuntu wayland session is not launching properly from the login screen.
[14:49] <Neo1> zomaar: see wordpress ask me enter ftp or ssh login and password but anyway with it programs don't update
[14:49] <zomaar> Neo1: You mean it uses ftp to update its own installation and install addons.
[14:49] <ub_ubuntu> I can see that /usr/bin/Xwayland is present
[14:49] <Neo1> zomaar: I don't know what I mean
[14:49] <Neo1> later
[14:50] <Neo1> dont know , will break down google
[14:50] <zomaar> Wait
[14:50] <zomaar> If wordpress accesses ftp there should be no difference between it and your regular login.
[14:50] <zomaar> If it wants to write directory on the server then usually an application needs group write permissions
[14:50] <zomaar> For certain files
[14:51] <zomaar> Then it becomes 664 and 775
[14:51] <zomaar> directly*
[14:51] <zomaar> For example Drupal wants the site.conf or something like that, to be group writable during updates.
[14:52] <zomaar> And you would have to chmod g+w sites/default/site.conf or something like that.
[14:53] <zomaar> Anyone knows how to unload an alsa module? I assume it got used by alsa itself...
[14:55] <Neo1> who know how to create script that will set up permission for easy?
[14:55] <Neo1> find /path/to/your/wordpress/install/ -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[14:55] <zomaar> 755 is not enough for modifications by group
[14:56] <zomaar> but yeah that's a script...
[14:56] <zomaar> You wanted to share it?
[14:57] <zomaar> .
[14:57] <zomaar> use 775 if you want to ensure writes by e.g. apache
[14:57] <Neo1> zomaar: I want don't type always those long strings, I want have one file where I will put all my commands with shorthands
[14:57] <zomaar> So put it in a file
[14:58] <zomaar> #!/bin/sh and then your command
[14:58] <jpe> Anyone know how to write the contents of a file into a screen session?
[14:58] <Neo1> zomaar: and that will available anywhere?
[14:58] <Neo1> zomaar: is it calling bash?
[14:58] <zomaar> read into what?
[14:58] <zomaar> It would ordinarily call dash
[14:59] <zomaar> You have to make it available in some ~/bin directory and then add that to your path
[14:59] <zomaar> do echo $PATH to see the current path
[14:59] <Neo1> zomaar: and see how to do administrators, I doubt they remember or learn all those commands...
[14:59] <zomaar> It's painful that's true :p.
[14:59] <Neo1> zomaar: and this coding called shell?
[15:00] <zomaar> Yeah that's shell
[15:00] <Neo1> zomaar: yes, I guessed, It's impossible remember all
[15:00] <Neo1> zomaar: and why was created shell?
[15:00] <zomaar> In that case you only use the find command and the chmod command
[15:00] <Neo1> zomaar: for fast and useful manage all those commands?
[15:01] <zomaar> Neo1: because shell links programs together, while regular programs link libraries together but that's a lot more time-intensive to make.
[15:01] <Neo1> zomaar: but I can add there many commands, for expample I today sought how to restart appach
[15:01] <zomaar> You can also make functions
[15:01] <zomaar> brb
[15:01] <Neo1> zomaar: I want putting all new command there and make my own help
[15:02] <Neo1> zomaar: just see when I need something I look at help and write keyword that will fire a needed command
[15:03] <Neo1> zomaar: ok, I don't understand it, It's my fantasy....
[15:05] <zomaar> Neo1: If you type this:   restart_apache() { sudo apachectl restart; } and then later type restart_apache, it will execute that command
[15:05] <zomaar> but not permantently yet
[15:06] <Neo1> zomaar: or do as my_apache_restart
[15:06] <Neo1> zomaar: and you can in this way create many command yes?
[15:06] <zomaar> sure but that's long
[15:06] <zomaar> yes
[15:06] <zomaar> but you need to save them in .bashrc
[15:07] <zomaar> or something you include in .bashrc
[15:07] <zomaar> so you can make file "my_functions.sh" and then in .bashrc you do at the end    . ./my_functions.sh
[15:07] <zomaar> Note the dot
[15:07] <zomaar> You can also do "source myfunctions.sh"
[15:08] <Neo1> zomaar: I don't understand what that means, should watch video lessons about ubuntu, I'm going to install near windows
[15:08] <zomaar> include file into other file
[15:08] <zomaar> .bashrc is loaded every time you log in
[15:08] <zomaar> So all of the functions you define there
[15:08] <zomaar> Will always be available to you
[15:09] <ShutterFox> Can you put xrander commands into .bashrc?
[15:09] <zomaar> so if you put    commands() { echo "my_apache_restart"; echo "other_command"; } into .bashrc, you can then type "commands"
[15:09] <Neo1> zomaar: I watched in video there one guy explained that you can create any variables and it will accessible globally
[15:10] <zomaar> ShutterFox: I don't think so
[15:10] <Neo1> zomaar: ok understood
[15:10] <zomaar> ShutterFox: but there should be a way to call startup scripts in e.g. Kubuntu etc.
[15:10] <Neo1> I'm trying later
[15:11] <zomaar> ShutterFox: However it should be possible as long as X is already running but it will repeat those commands every time you open a new shell
[15:11] <ShutterFox> Ah reet. Yeah I got a few xrandr commands in my i3 setup file to sort which screen's primary etc
[15:11] <EriC^^> for user stuff there's the startup apps program
[15:11] <zomaar> ShutterFox: to do it only at login you need to use .bash_profile or .bash_login or .profile
[15:12] <zomaar> ShutterFox: but that doesn't make a lot of sense from X...
[15:13] <ShutterFox> Right I see. To be fair, it's working fine as is, with it at the top of my i3 config. Unfortunately no matter what I do, I can't get the same results with lighten, which manages my logon screen
[15:13] <zomaar> ShutterFox: You can however create a /dev/udev/rules.d file that will get executed every time a screen (monitor) changes, but that won't get executed upon desktop start
[15:13] <ShutterFox> Lightdm, not lighten
[15:13] <saladmonk> tried to install nfs-kernel server but it won't install, it can't be started
[15:14] <ShutterFox> Sadly on my phone atm, so I'm at the mercy of autocorrect
[15:14] <zomaar> What is 3?
[15:14] <zomaar> i3.
[15:14] <ShutterFox> Tiled windows manager
[15:14] <ShutterFox> Iirc
[15:14] <saladmonk> journal tells a filed dependency but there is nothing
[15:14] <zomaar> saladmonk: what exact error?
[15:15] <ShutterFox> https://github.com/Airblader/i3
[15:15] <ShutterFox> zomaar: that link is what I got
[15:16] <zomaar> oh ok.
[15:17] <ShutterFox> That's running mostly fine, but when it's on the login screen it's done with lightdm, and I can't seem to configure that to say that the monitors are the other way round physically and that the other monitor is the primary
[15:18] <ShutterFox> Even followed some guides to no avail
[15:18] <ShutterFox> But it's not a major issue really so it's back burner stuff
[15:18] <zomaar> So you would need to wait until it has created the X server
[15:18] <zomaar> Right.
[15:19] <ShutterFox> X server?
[15:19] <ShutterFox> Sorry, I'm almost total beginner
[15:19] <ShutterFox> I'll Google it
[15:20] <zomaar> lightdm would create a temporary X session or seat that basically already fires up something you can execute xrandr on
[15:21] <zomaar> xrandr can also be executed by another user (root) as long as you have the number of the X session (:0) or :1
[15:21] <zomaar> and the .Xauthority file to go with it (usually in $HOME after you are logged in)
[15:22] <zomaar> ShutterFox: before you log in there should be a /tmp/.X11-unix directory that contains the name of the server in the form of "X0"
[15:23] <zomaar>  /tmp/X11 or actually /tmp/.X11-unix I think.
[15:23] <zomaar> That means you can use xrandr with DISPLAY=:0
[15:24] <zomaar> Like: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr ...
[15:24] <zomaar> But unless you are authorized (which you would be as root, and need the required .Xauthority file)... but I guess this is too much info.
[15:25] <zomaar> Sorry.
[15:26] <ShutterFox> I won't lie, I only followed about half of that. Don't apologise though, its people like you who help me learn xD
[15:27] <zomaar> ShutterFox: lightdm creates a version of the final thing before you log in
[15:27] <zomaar> ShutterFox: so xrandr can effect it.
[15:30] <zomaar> ShutterFox: But in order to do so you would need either lightdm to execute it itself, or for you to do it in the background.
[15:30] <ShutterFox> Right I see
[15:31] <zomaar> ShutterFox: If you type "vdir .Xauthority" in your home directory you will see a file that contains a token (password) that applications can use to effect your graphical session.
[15:32] <zomaar> ShutterFox: This token is always required by services or programs not running under your user.
[15:32] <zomaar> ShutterFox: Or programs and services that were not started from within the graphical environment.
[15:32] <naiveaiguy> Hello!
[15:33] <zomaar> ShutterFox: But so the 2 bits of information any script would need would be $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY
[15:33] <naiveaiguy> I'm not sure if this is the best place, but I was wondering if anyone had information on the kind of tasks expected for Google Code-In this year?
[15:33] <zomaar> ShutterFox: In case you wanted to go that route ;-).
[15:34] <zomaar> I have to reboot
[15:41] <wad> Anyone here use ubuntu as their email server, with spamassassin and postfix? I've started getting this error: /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin:
[15:41] <wad> invoke-rc.d: initscript spamassassin, action "reload" failed.
[15:41] <wad> Some cursory googling didn't show any obvious solution, just checking here before I dive in.
[15:43] <auronandace> wad: there is also #ubuntu-server to check, it woud be helpful to provide the version of ubuntu you are using too
[16:01] <wad> Thanks auronandace. I'm on 14.04 LTS, 64-bit desktop edition, running on a VM in a cloud.
[16:02] <auronandace> wad: sorry I can't help you as I have no experience with servers but the additional information you have provided should be useful to those who can help you
[16:03] <arunkumar413> while typing the cursor is moving to some other position
[16:04] <arunkumar413> the issue mostly seem be happening in the browser
[16:04] <auronandace> arunkumar413: accidentally brushing the touchpad?
[16:04] <arunkumar413> auronandace: no
[16:05] <lucido> Hi, has anyone tried ubuntu on an HP z820 workstation?
[16:05] <auronandace> arunkumar413: is it only on specific sites?
[16:05] <arunkumar413> auronandace: all sites
[16:06] <arunkumar413> seems like some keyboard shortcut is getting triggered
[16:07] <sabdo> hello
[16:07] <auronandace> lucido: someone might have bu i'm sure you came here to ask something else
[16:08] <auronandace> arunkumar413: have you tried a different browser to see if it is a specific shortcut with a specific browser?
[16:08] <lucido> auronandace, how compatibile is it?
[16:09] <auronandace> lucido: i don't know, it would depend on the hardware
[16:11] <donofrio> wad, what version are you running 'in the cloud?'
[16:11] <wad> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[16:11] <wad> # uname -a
[16:11] <wad> Linux vps2 2.6.32-042stab123.9 #1 SMP Thu Jun 29 13:01:59 MSK 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:12] <donofrio> oh thought you were 14.04 locally
[16:12] <wad> No, locally I run 16.04 LTS. :)
[16:12] <wad> But this server has been chugging along for years now.
[16:14] <oerheks> 2.6 ... that is not regular ubuntu, but Vagrant?
[16:14] <auronandace> wad: a few years seems like an understantement with a 2.6 kernel
[16:15] <oerheks> hashicorp version
[16:15] <wad> In addition to email, this server runs a bunch of websites, including their databasen. Completely rebuilding it is something I do infrequently.
[16:16] <wad> I'm getting my "money's worth" from the LTS! :-D
[16:16] <wad> Hmm..... hang on..... so "in the cloud" may be influencing my "uname -a" command?
[16:17] <oerheks> for vagrant you might better join #vagrant for support
[16:17] <oerheks> 16.04 uses systemd, vagrant not ?
[16:17] <wad> So I don't do any vagrant on it. This machine, though, might be running under vagrant? It's "in the cloud", so it's a virtual machine.
[16:18] <lucido> for the record: looks like it will work. Found a relevant entry here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/284052/i-want-to-install-12-04lts-64bit-on-hp-z820-will-there-be-any-problems
[16:18] <wad> "lsb_release -a" --> 14.04.5 LTS
[16:18] <oerheks> jups, that is hashicorp/vagrant, it uses the old 2.6 with patches
[16:25] <smclt30p_> Does anyone have a ThinkPad with a dock?
[16:26] <leftyfb> smclt30p_: please just detail your issue. We don't tend to take surveys here.
[16:27] <smclt30p_> There is no issue, I just need some software tested :)
[16:30] <anddam> hello
[16:30] <EriC^^> hi
[16:30] <Hayward> hi
[16:31] <anddam> I'm on xenial, how can I get a more up-to-date poppler-utils?
[16:31] <smclt30p_> do you listen BAJA MALI KNINDZA
[16:31] <smclt30p_> ? :D
[16:32] <anddam> I'd like to use pdfsig but packages.ubuntu.com tells me I need at least zesty
[16:33] <ducasse> smclt30p_: so, not a support issue. you can try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[16:33] <Hayward> it is kind of support.
[16:33] <oerheks> anddam, built it yourself then? https://askubuntu.com/questions/781552/how-to-install-the-latest-version-of-poppler
[16:36] <anddam> oerheks: I hoped in a backport-like solution, rathern than source install
[16:36] <ducasse> anddam: have you looked for a ppa?
[16:39] <anddam> not yet, checked the xenial-backports package browser
[16:39] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=poppler-utils
[16:40] <oerheks> that is the downside of stable ubuntu.
[16:40] <hsiktas> do you know a graphical SFTP client which supports sudo-ing the current user if their privileges are not sufficient?
[16:41] <oerheks> settings of priv is done server side, not client side
[16:41] <hsiktas> and do I have to allow this somewhere in Ubuntu's sshd?
[16:41] <anddam> oerheks: I'm actually on elementary OS so not sure if I can dist-upgrade
[16:42] <ducasse> anddam: we don't support elementary
[16:42] <oerheks> why? if you are unsure, ask in #elementaryos or something like that
[16:42] <ash_workz> where can I find documentation on addgroup that describes what the -S flag does?
[16:43] <oerheks> it has its own issues, you know
[16:43] <anddam> ducasse: I know, I didn't ask for help with that on purpose
[16:43] <ash_workz> `man addgroup` doesn't show it
[16:43] <anddam> oerheks: what does have its issues?
[16:43] <oerheks> anddam, building is an option for you, and tutorial given.
[16:44] <anddam> oerheks: yep, I may go with stow and building from source
[16:44] <akik> ash_workz: if you don't see it in the man page, where do you see it?
[16:44] <anddam> thanks for the info
[16:45] <ash_workz> akik: in a dockerfile
[16:45] <ash_workz> akik: 'addgroup -g 82 -S www-data'
[16:46] <ash_workz> akik: and my manpage doesn't show -g either, but I can infer that's an alias to --gid which it does show
[16:46] <akik> ash_workz: it could be for alpine linux, not sure
[16:47] <akik> ash_workz: it's not in ubuntu
[16:47] <ash_workz> akik: oh? usually it's just my man pages are pointing to something obscure; I'll ask alpine
[16:47] <ash_workz> akik: thanks
[16:49] <ghost2911> hi. there is btrfs support in ubuntu 12 ?
[16:49] <akik> ash_workz: found -S in busybox's addgroup
[16:49] <auronandace> ghost2911: 12.04 is no longer supported
[16:49] <Cheez> Using 16.04 / Unity 7.4.0 - Is there a way to change the sensitivity of the unity launcher to be even more sensitive than the maximum of the slider? I have the reveal sensitivity set to max but it still bugs me. If my mouse is on the location of the launcher i want the launcher to be showing, no delay, no "push" feedback, just show it.
[16:50] <ghost2911> i know, so there is no btrfs right ?
[16:51] <oerheks> Cheez, do you use unity-tweak ?
[16:51] <ducasse> !info btrfs-tools precise
[16:51] <ducasse> ghost2911: ^^
[16:51] <Cheez> oerheks: i have it installed, the slider in both is set to the same place
[16:52] <ducasse> ghost2911: kind of irrelevant now, but...
[16:52] <ghost2911> ok, what filesystem I can use on mac mini to install ubuntu except ext4 ?
[16:53] <ducasse> ghost2911: are you still asking about 12.04?
[16:53] <ghost2911> yes
[16:53] <ducasse> ghost2911: don't install that at all, it's dead
[16:53] <oerheks> ghost2911, don't try it, you have nbo support ( here) nor updates
[16:54] <ducasse> ghost2911: no bugfixes, no security patches, no help here
[16:54] <ghost2911> ok, clear
[16:56] <akik> ghoti: ext3/xfs are choices. i don't remember the others
[16:57] <Cheez> so yeah oerheks, with both sliders set to max, if i have an app open maximised and move my mouse to the launcher location (bottom of screen) the shadow appears, but the launcher doesnt show unless I then move the mouse down more like I'm pushing on it. I'd want it to just show when it shows the shadow part.
[16:57] <oerheks> Cheez, maybe that happens with hot corners enabled?
[16:57] <oerheks> not sure
[16:58] <Cheez> ooh, interesting, they are on but I don't use them, lets turn them off and see what happens
[16:58] <Cheez> oh yeah, that's sorted it. Thanks :D
[16:58] <oerheks> it is in the regular systemsettings IIRC
[16:58] <oerheks> good, thanks for the feedback, have fun!
[17:00] <Cheez> Been a bugbear since forever, now I finally got some time to look into it. Just in time for 18.04 lts which iirc is abandoning unity for gnome?
[17:00] <oerheks> i am on 17.04/unity, not sure hotcorners are available, and enabled in gnome3
[17:01] <oerheks> or bite
[17:10] <MrPockets> Hello!
[17:11] <Neo1> I've changed 777 to 755 and directory changed owner
[17:11] <Neo1> now it's root and seems before was www-root
[17:12] <Neo1> oh no, before also was all of root
[17:14] <oerheks> time to learn filepermissions + wordpress
[17:14] <ducasse> !permissions | Neo1
[17:21] <DarkSpartan> i need help with installing ubuntu arm
[17:22] <DarkSpartan> but no one's on at that channel
[17:22] <puxavida> are there any plans to get onboard to work with later versions of ubuntu that are getting more gnomish.  I tried 17.04 and 17.10 and onboard doesn't seem to work properly like it does in 16.04.
[17:23] <puxavida> onboard starts up, but it doesn't send the keys to the app you might be working on - it's like acting like a different app from others.
[17:23] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: down load the Ubuntu Mate arm and just flush it to the sd card using ethcher and load sd card to the arm device
[17:24] <DarkSpartan> which one pavlushka?
[17:25] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: for Ubuntu Mate, follow this link https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/ and for etcher follow this https://etcher.io/ link
[17:26] <Cursarion> hi, is there software that can easily back up a package installation? like, store the files in an archive and handle the meta information somehow that you can revert back to using them easily if necessary?
[17:26] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: and tell us about the device you want to use the arm device.
[17:27] <oerheks> !clone
[17:27] <DarkSpartan> pavlushka: it'll take a while
[17:27] <Cursarion> ooh, nice
[17:27] <oerheks> !backup
[17:28] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: yep
[17:28] <DarkSpartan> pavlushka: my device's a chinese android psp i brought back in 2014
[17:29] <thorsten`> Do I understand this correctly, that the ppa of 'cutegram' got dropped and now the only way to install it on ubuntu is to build a package manually?
[17:29] <DarkSpartan> i thought my device was total bs
[17:29] <DarkSpartan> later, i did a cpu-z hardware test
[17:30] <DarkSpartan> excuse me, ill post the specs in a few mins
[17:33] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: Do Ubuntu porting on unfamiliar arm devices at your own risk.
[17:33] <DarkSpartan> just got it
[17:33] <DarkSpartan> it has a arm cortex A8 processor running at 1.03 ghz
[17:34] <DarkSpartan> and 512mb ram and about 2gb internal storage
[17:34] <DarkSpartan> i need suggestion on what image i should install
[17:35] <oerheks> same answer, i guess
[17:35] <DarkSpartan> it also has a powerpc gpu
[17:35] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: follow this https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[17:37] <oerheks> that is also an option, server tablet and fiddle around with different desktops
[17:38] <DarkSpartan> i apologize for being inexperienced with these stuff
[17:38] <oerheks> go with the 1st answer, ubuntu mate for arm
[17:38] <DarkSpartan> but, will the server one function as same as the normal iso?
[17:38] <DarkSpartan> wait
[17:39] <Cursarion> oerheks: meh, apt-clone saves the metadata of the entire system, while I'd like to save the files and the metadata of a few select packages that might break if I upgrade them
[17:39] <Cursarion> !cloning
[17:39] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: for normal arm image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04.3/?_ga=2.160921406.2012600858.1511199297-1208070277.1487488724
[17:40] <DarkSpartan> and how will i install it on my psp?
[17:40] <DarkSpartan> ik how to load the iso onto the sd card
[17:40] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: choose and try, and you can always re-flash with another arm image
[17:41] <DarkSpartan> it wouldn't load
[17:43] <DarkSpartan> brb, gonna post the results
[17:43] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: for some idea http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI811X_PSP_Flashing_Tools_Guide
[17:47] <DarkSpartan> pavlushka: need help in identifying this thing   https://gist.github.com/carlos-wong/5476199
[17:48] <DarkSpartan> and according to http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/compare/2017330?baseline=2017330
[17:48] <DarkSpartan> my psp's hardware was manufactured by sunkong
[17:48] <DarkSpartan> most of it*
[17:49] <oerheks> it may be not suitable for running linux, did you find other users with experience?
[17:49] <correct> If I don't get the pad version of MAAS, does this mean I can't provision Windows with it?
[17:50] <DarkSpartan> oerheks: i didn't find anyone with experience, but since this psp's android system's f**ked, i'm willing to experiment
[17:50] <oerheks> correct, Windows Server 2012 (windows/win2012) - Windows Server 2012 R2 (windows/win2012r2) - Windows Hyper-V (windows/win2012hv) - Windows Hyper-V R2 (windows/win2012hvr2) ... https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/1.9/en/installconfig-images
[17:53] <correct> oerheks: this applies to the free version?
[17:53] <pavlushka> DarkSpartan: Then please do experiment and I guess you need to access the psp flash chip externally
[17:54] <oerheks> correct, you might want to reask in #maas , but i read this as available, if you have the windows licenses ofcourse
[17:55] <Maxpm> Did I report this bug in the right place?  It doesn't seem to have had any attention, and now it's a daily annoyance because the workaround stopped working.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1727541
[17:55] <correct> oerheks: The only reason I am a little confused is because on the home page it says the Free version does not support Windows, RHEL, SUSE, and custom image
[17:55] <correct> creation and deployment
[17:55] <correct> oerheks: I'm in the channel, but it's like nobody's home
[17:56] <oerheks> you could be correct, limitation on the free version :-(
[17:56] <oerheks> didn't know that one
[17:58] <vpndude> Anyone manage to get Google Photo Sync running on Ubuntu?
[17:58] <correct> oerheks: it says enteprise support.  I'm not sure if that means support, or capability
[17:58] <correct> lol
[17:58] <pavlushka> o/ krytarik
[17:58] <oerheks> my personal maas, grinn
[17:59] <krytarik> pavlushka: Howdy.
[18:00] <pavlushka> krytarik: feeling sleepy but I am gonna sleep it out :p
[18:00] <correct> oerheks: gonna insltal and find out. I'll let you know
[18:01] <oerheks> :-)
[18:02] <vpndude> Also what's the status with wayland on Ubuntu?
[18:02] <Maxpm> Status: annoying.  :)
[18:11] <weeirc8089[m]> Language Support doesn't work on fresh installed lubuntu 17.10 x64 in virtualbox (when I click Start -> Preferences -> Language Support the window appears briefly with the message "Checking Available Language Support" and then disappears ...) Anyone know how to fix?
[18:22] <kostkon> weeirc8089[m], no, but you can install any language pack manually
[18:22] <oerheks> run updates first?
[18:23] <andirc8000> kostkon: how do I install new keyboard layout like russian, without "Language Support" in lubuntu?
[18:23] <andirc8000> oerheks: did.
[18:24] <kostkon> andirc8000, you can add a new layout in your keyboards prefs
[18:25] <kostkon> andirc8000, oh lubuntu. You should have something that resembles keyboard settings
[18:26] <andirc8000> kostkon: Start -> Preferences -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Tab
[18:26] <andirc8000> kostkon: no such option there
[18:28] <kostkon> andirc8000, you could try this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/302112
[18:28] <andirc8000> What does "Checking Available Language Support" progress bar does so I could do it manually first?
[18:28] <andirc8000> through command line
[18:28] <sylario> Hi
[18:29] <ioria> andirc8000, on lubuntu you need to add an item to the panel, in order to handle the keyboard layout
[18:29] <sylario> I want ubuntu to wait for a mounted disk before starting postgresql, is it possible?
[18:29] <sylario> I am on a 16.04 server
[18:30] <ezra-s> sylario: supposedly everything in fstab will be mounted before starting any service
[18:30] <psiquo> Hi, I have a lenovo yoga 520 and I'm trying to have the rotation screen working, I have installed the iio-sensor-proxy but when running the command monitor-sensor appears Waiting for iio-sensor-proxy to appear, can someone help me?
[18:31] <sylario> ezra-s: it seems my mount are not in fstab
[18:31] <ioria> andirc8000, right click on panel, Add - Remove Panel Items -> Add -> Keyboard Layout Handler; then right click on the handler -> settings and uncheck 'keep sys settings' ; Add (on the left) and select your new layout
[18:32] <sylario> ezra-s: I think it's something dynamic, as adding a disk to the VPS make it appear in srv after a reboot
[18:34] <andirc8000> ioria: ok that works
[18:34] <ioria> ok
[18:34] <Bashing-om> !cookie | ioria
[18:34] <ioria> hahah
[18:35] <ioria> thanx Bashing-om
[18:36] <Bashing-om> ioria: Just to say thanks - for all - .. as I too was lookin at the howto ^ ,
[18:41] <sylario> It seems my disks use autoFS, should I do something before adding them to fstab ?
[18:42] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there - I'm trying to get it to make it so I can navigate to the hostname of my two ubuntu servers in my webbrowser, rather then the IP of the server. Anyone know how to accomplish this?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> shazbotmcnasty: perhaps the #ubuntu-server channel might know a trick?
[18:44] <shazbotmcnasty> oh they're actually just ubuntu 16.04 mate desktop version
[18:45] <Maxpm> shazbotmcnasty: Edit /etc/hosts?
[18:45] <lordcirth_work> either edit /etc/hosts as mentioned, or set up DNS on your router
[18:47] <shazbotmcnasty> What would one change in /etc/hosts?
[18:48] <shazbotmcnasty> the hostname is already in /etc/hosts by defualt
[18:52] <Maxpm> The machine with the browser needs to have the IPs and hostnames of your "two Ubuntu servers" in its /etc/hosts.
[18:54] <brym> hi all. tried unsuccessfully last night to install 16.04.3 on a lenovo yoga 510. but the mrs tells me ubuntu is blocked by lenovo and microsoft from certain lenovo laptops. anyone else heard about this / any truth to it?
[18:54] <lucas-arg> just try it
[18:55] <Maxpm> The what?
[18:55] <lucas-arg> disable fastboot on bios, delete secureboot thing check boot antoher os the bios and just do it
[18:55] <Cheguacamole> mrs?
[18:56] <Maxpm> Oh, the Mrs.  Heh.
[18:56] <Cheguacamole> your missus?
[18:56] <brym> yeah Cheguacamole, she was reading up on it this morning for me
[18:56] <shazbotmcnasty> ok I'll just add it to my router
[18:57] <Cheguacamole> why can't you though
[18:57] <lordcirth_work> brym, there is Secure Boot, which prevents unauthorized OS's from loading.  It can usually be disabled.
[18:57] <Aven> can a 95% diskspace used slow system down?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> Aven: yes
[18:58] <Aven> lotuspsychje: why is that?
[18:58] <brym> lordcirth_work: drive's already been formatted from the attempted install though. when i try the built in recovery option, it takes me to grub
[18:58] <Aven> it's not even 99%
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> Aven: the fuller a hd the slower it gets
[18:58] <Aven> ah
[18:59] <JoshuaD> I am using ubuntu / xfce. Is there a way to force gnome applications to use the standard window decorations? Screenshot of what I mean: http://joshuad.net/misc/why.png
[18:59] <Bashing-om> Aven: even linux as a journaled file system, above 90% capaciity the system has to cope with fragmentation .
[19:00] <brym> lordcirth_work: i know it had a secure hidden partition before last night, but that seems no longer to be an option
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | Aven try this
[19:01] <lordcirth_work> brym, what failed during the install?  Probably not Secure Boot if you got far enough to install grub
[19:02] <brym> lordcirth_work: there were a few red flags in the journal. mostly seemed to be related to the cpu though... lemme reboot it and take a quick look-see again
[19:04] <brym> lordcirth_work: "cpu 0, invalid threshold" shows before it continues onto the ubuntu splash, but ultimately always falls back to emergency mode
[19:06] <brym> lordcirth_work: ...where the first red flag is "cpu 0, invalid threshold interrupt offset 1 for bank 4, block 0"
[19:06] <lordcirth_work> brym, yes that seems like a problem.  I would try installing 17.10, since it has a newer kernel, and see what happens
[19:08] <Aven> lotuspsychje: Bashing-om thank you
[19:09] <brym> lordcirth_work: fair shout. i'll try 17.10 on it.
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | Aven install also this for speed up
[19:17] <heyya> has anyone run into any issues installing MAAS regarding postgresql error.  can't connect to server
[19:17] <lordcirth_work> Aven, you can also use 'ncdu', 'fdupes', or GUI tools like Baobab to find files to delete.
[19:29] <Lavinho> good night
[19:29] <Lavinho> im not installed refind on disk
[19:30] <Lavinho> help me please
[19:30] <Lavinho> Installing rEFInd on Linux.... The ESP doesn't seem to be mounted! Trying to find it.... mount: /boot/efi: special device /dev/mmcblk01 does not exist. umount: //boot/efi: not mounted. ////boot/efi doesn't seem to be on a VFAT filesystem. The ESP must be mounted at //boot or //boot/efi and it must be VFAT! Aborting! dpkg: error processing package refind (--configure):
[19:30] <psiquo> hi guys, I'm having problems setting up the auto rotation on linux 17.10, can someone help me
[19:35] <genii> Lavinho: rEFInd is not a program which is in official repositories. If you want to install it then you need to use the original author's PPA at https://launchpad.net/~rodsmith/+archive/ubuntu/refind
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> !info refind
[19:36] <heyya> psiquo: what's the issue
[19:36] <genii> lotuspsychje: I don't think it's in anything previous though
[19:37] <Bashing-om> genii: confirmed .. not in xenial .
[19:40] <psiquo> heyya the iio-sensor-proxy says that the orientation is undefined
[19:40] <psiquo> so the auto rotate doesn't wotk
[19:42] <heyya> psiquo: did you define the orientation?
[19:43] <psiquo> heyyaI actually do not how how to do it, sorry but I'm really a newbie
[19:43] <psiquo> heyya
[19:43] <heyya> psiquo: did you read this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/hwdb/60-sensor.hwdb
[19:44] <heyya> psiquo: you might find your answer here https://github.com/hadess/iio-sensor-proxy/blob/master/README.md
[19:45] <heyya> psiquo: you might find your answer here https://github.com/hadess/iio-sensor-proxy/blob/master/README.md
[19:45] <psiquo> ok I read and see if I can come up with something
[19:58] <ioria> TJ-, so,  ecryptfs half-broken on 17.10  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1723826
[20:02] <Allanis> ioria: Could I please ask what your question was? I came late to the party it seems, but perhaps I am having similar issues (though I have been ignoreing my issue).
[20:02] <TJ-> ioria: there's a few glitches. systemd recently changed the way it links session and user keys which broke some aspects. That's not the problem for the user I've been helping though. In their case, the GUI 'change password' code did something weird when rewrapping the ecryptfs passphrase - looks like it didn't use the 'new' user password, but didn't use the 'old' either, so no telling what was used as the
[20:02] <TJ-> wrap password!
[20:03] <ioria> Allanis, well , we had an issue yesterday night ... too long  ... check the log on freenode
[20:04] <ioria> TJ-, i see...  btw the workaround works
[20:04] <Allanis> I have a new install. And I had encrypted my /home. Though there isn't actually any encryption, though I have noticed something erroring on boot. I have been too lazy to see what the error is, or even to see why encryption didn't take affect. Was it a similar issue?
[20:04] <TJ-> coooor! just caused a SIGSEGV in weechat by tapping the 'wrong' key :)
[20:04] <ioria> Allanis, maybe
[20:05] <ioria> TJ-, i see...  btw the workaround works
[20:05] <TJ-> ioria: for that issue, yes
[20:05] <TJ-> ioria: the reason it works is is links the keyrings correctly :)
[20:06] <ioria> TJ-, yep
[20:06] <psiquo> heyya I tried inserting the matrix but when updating i get /etc/udev/hwdb.d/61-sensor-local.hwdb:3: Property expected, ignoring record with no properties
[20:06] <TJ-> ioria: meaning that when mount.ecryptfs searches the session keyring for the key signature, it descends the tree to the @u (user) keyring where the key is.
[20:08] <ioria> TJ-,  the point ( i guess) is that also  ecryptfs-recover-private is broken ... so no rescue
[20:08] <ioria> unless you run ecryptfs-manager and exit
[20:08] <TJ-> ioria: no, it's fine, all the tools are 'broken' due to systemd not linking the @u keyring to the @s session or @us user-session keyrings
[20:09] <TJ-> ioria: you can also fix that with "keyctl link @u @s" and/or ""keyctl link @u @us"
[20:09] <ioria> TJ-,   ecryptfs-recover-private  fails on recovery, on livecd chroot too
[20:10] <TJ-> ioria: this has been an ongoing issue since 14.04; Tyler Hicks and myself were trying to come up with a guaranteed solution but there's some corner-cases that make it difficult
[20:10] <ioria> TJ-,   i see ... always this comes up : mount: /tmp/ecryptfs.xxxxx : mount(2) system call failed: No such file or directory.
[20:11] <TJ-> I thought we'd got it but then systemd changed again :)
[20:15] <TJ-> the long standing issue was Bug #1328689
[20:18] <ioria> TJ-, personally never had that issue with trusty , but i see the point
[20:20] <TJ-> ioria: it depended on the pam modules executed; it showed up with sddm because it created a new session (and therefore session key) which wasn't linked to the user keyring
[20:20] <TJ-> ioria: same for ssh in that case
[20:21] <Lavinho> good night
[20:22] <Lavinho> i cant install refind
[20:22] <Lavinho> help me please
[20:22] <Lavinho> only boot usb
[20:29] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Hi! I'll be here every day from now on, so whenever you have time and if you are still willing to help me I'll be here. Thanks!
[20:30] <ioria> here we are
[20:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: OK! I've been working on the script; taking some time as I have to make it bullet-proof so it doesn't make any more of a mess than already exists :)
[20:31] <pizzaburger> TJ-: awesome! Were you able to fix that bug?
[20:34] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I've not found the cause of the bad wrap phrase yet; that'll be later. I'm just ensuring you can rapidly regenerate a wrapped-passphrase file and test it
[20:41] <onto> Hi! I upgraded my ubuntu 16.04 system this morning (with apt-get upgrade) and now I cannot create/delete lxc containers. The logs show "lvl=eror msg="Failed to mount BTRFS storage pool \"/dev/loop1\" onto \"/var/lib/lxd/storage-pools/default\" with mountoptions \"user_subvol_rm_allowed\": device or resource busy" t=2017-11-20T21:33:38+0100" which persists even after unmounting the volume.
[20:42] <inte> hello. I have problems with skype 4.3. Is it possible Skype ceased support for the old versions?
[20:43] <inte> anyone using skype here?
[20:43] <inte> i havent used mine for quite some time, so i cant tell if its me or skype...
[20:44] <akik> inte: yes. they stopped supporting it last summer
[20:44] <inte> ok sure that is what ive read
[20:44] <inte> but it still worked in ... spring
[20:44] <inte> or maybe summer
[20:44] <inte> and the new release is so crappy, big, laggy, slow
[20:44] <inte> so i stayed with 4.3
[20:45] <inte> so, more precise: anyone using skype 4.3 here?
[20:45] <inte> :)
[20:46] <inte> oh, i have used 4.3 on sept 15th the last time
[20:46] <inte> just found an older chat window which skype notifications advising me to update
[20:47] <inte> so, 4.3 was still working in september
[20:48] <inte> i might have updated my system in between so i cant tell if skype stopped supporting depreacted releases in the meantime or if my installation got corrupted
[20:49] <inte> ldd looks still fine though
[20:52] <timbozeman> I have a nVidia 1070 gtx video card. It has 5 holes, but only supports 4 monitors. Is there a way to do more monitors? I tried 2 video cards before I got this one, but couldn't figure that out.
[20:52] <jer> timbozeman, yes there is, add another video card
[20:53] <timbozeman> jer, could you make it all the same desktop? I was reading about it before and it sounded like you'd have to use 2 X servers or something? It definitely didn't work out of the box
[20:54] <jer> you just need to add two device sections in your xorg config, some extra screen sections, and assign the screens to displays
[20:54] <timbozeman> interesting
[20:54] <jer> timbozeman, i've never tried multiple ports on multiple graphics cards, but i have tried multiple graphics cards with one port each in use
[20:55] <jer> but with what i mentioned above plus a probably interesting looking screenlayout section, it SHOULD work
[20:56] <inte> skype is so crappy even if you convince it to create logs it will create some binary dumps
[20:56] <inte> grr
[20:56] <timbozeman> skype--
[20:57] <timbozeman> ty jer, I shall give it a go!
[21:41] <SynfulAck> can nauhtilus mount nfs shares yet?
[21:49] <echelon> hi
[21:50] <echelon> /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf says DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL=2
[21:50] <echelon> but it's N 5
[21:50] <echelon> when i run `runlevel`
[21:52] <echelon> how do you properly change the runlevel?
[21:52] <leftyfb> echelon: what version of ubuntu?
[21:55] <echelon> leftyfb: https://github.com/parallella/parabuntu/releases/tag/parabuntu-2016.11.1
[21:56] <leftyfb> uh
[21:56] <leftyfb> echelon: what is that?
[21:57] <echelon> it's modified ubuntu for this dev board https://www.parallella.org/
[21:57] <auronandace> echelon: that isn't supported here
[21:57] <echelon> auronandace: i dunno, i think i asked a pretty basic questions that can be answered by an ubuntu user
[21:58] <echelon> question*
[21:58] <echelon> can you please grep DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL from /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[21:59] <leftyfb> echelon: https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-systemd-runlevels-and-service-management-commands
[21:59] <leftyfb> that's information on the equivalent to runlevels with systemd in ubuntu 16.04 and up
[21:59] <dedze> Hi!
[22:01] <auronandace> echelon: i'm sure someone can answer your basic question but whether that applies to parabuntu is another matter entirely
[22:02] <dedze> My harddisk is supposed to be 500GB, System settings > Details > Overview says my disk is 488GB and sudo fdisk -l says 465.8. What is missing and how can I investigate it? :P
[22:02] <auronandace> echelon: only ubuntu 14.04 uses a different init system to systemd
[22:03] <echelon> i appear to have systemd as well
[22:03] <leftyfb> dedze: https://www.lifewire.com/drive-storage-capacities-833435
[22:03] <dedze> leftyfb: Thanks! I'm reading this!
[22:05] <KiwifiedLemon> "...for each gigabyte that a drive manufacturer claims, it is over-reporting the amount of disk space by 73,741,824 bytes or roughly 70.3 MB of disk space."
[22:05] <echelon> so which state should i use if i want all networking services, but no default X login manager?
[22:05] <echelon> rather, i don't want X to autostart
[22:05] <leftyfb> echelon: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[22:06] <echelon> cool, thanks!
[22:06] <leftyfb> then reboot
[22:06] <echelon> and i could just do startx if i wanted to?
[22:07] <akik> echelon: what does lsb_release -c give you?
[22:08] <echelon> Codename:       vivid
[22:08] <akik> echelon: ok it has systemctl
[22:09] <leftyfb> echelon: that release is extra not supported :)
[22:09] <binaryhermit> Isn't vivid now unsupported?
[22:09] <auronandace> !vivid
[22:09] <binaryhermit> or what he/she/they/preferred pronoun said
[22:10] <echelon> leftyfb: anyway, it works.. no X :)
[22:10] <echelon> thanks
[22:11] <akik> echelon: can you update the os to 16.04?
[22:12] <echelon> not to my knowledge
[22:13] <echelon> it runs on a epiphany 3, risc soc
[22:14] <echelon> so a lot of stuff is customized
[22:18] <leftyfb> echelon: it's also very unsupported. Someone should tell them to update it to an LTS release. Maybe start working on 18.04 right now and be ready by April and be supported for the next 5 years(after April).
[22:19] <echelon> ok
[22:28] <user401> i have an ubuntu installation in a hdd with corrupted sectors  which i fixedusing  e2fsck -cc. how do i repair the installation
[22:29] <inte> so obviously, noone using skype here :(
[22:30] <leftyfb> user401: I would look through dmesg of your running OS from the drive or simply after mounting it. If you have I/O errors, the drive is bad and no amount of fsck'ing or software is going to fix it.
[22:30] <leftyfb> inte: what do you need help with?
[22:30] <inte> i only need confirmation if skype 4.3 stopped working eventually or if its just my installation?
[22:31] <akik> inte: i told you microsoft stopped its support
[22:31] <flying_sausages> hey guys, I just tried installing landscape and it screwed up all my websites, is there any way I can find out what it did to my apache config?
[22:31] <flying_sausages> reverting to the .save did not help anything
[22:31] <inte> akik: yes but it was still working for more than a year
[22:31] <inte> until recently and today its not
[22:31] <akik> inte: so what do you think you can do ?
[22:31] <inte> so that is why im asking if its only not working for me or in general
[22:32] <user401> leftyfb: ok..will buy a new hdd
[22:32] <inte> well, id try reinstall if it was still working for someone else
[22:32] <akik> inte: good luck
[22:32] <inte> if not, it wouldnt be worth the efforts
[22:32] <leftyfb> user401: yeah, I personally wouldn't take the chance otherwise
[22:32] <inte> im only asking if someone else ran into the same problem. no need to be rude
[22:32] <user401> thanks..
[22:33] <akik> inte: who is rude? i told you the facts and said good luck
[22:35] <akik> inte: you can get the update here https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/
[22:39] <josephb> Evening.
[22:43] <inte> wtf
[22:43] <inte> atik are you a troll?
[22:45] <leftyfb> inte: no, atik is not a troll. You're asking for help with an unsupported version of an application. Your only option is to download the latest version and install that.
[22:45] <flying_sausages> inte, https://i.stack.imgur.com/eosYI.png
[22:45] <flying_sausages> if you had it working after that you were maybe just really lucky
[22:46] <inte> which I told you i have installed already and yes its working
[22:46] <inte> and yes i sucks
[22:46] <inte> the old release could still work since it still was a month ago
[22:46] <inte> or two montha ago
[22:46] <inte> i only want to know if it does
[22:47] <flying_sausages> sorry can you repeat your queestion/mission with 4.3 again
[22:47] <leftyfb> inte: non of that matters. It's not supported. By Microsoft of Ubuntu.
[22:47] <inte> im not even using ubuntu
[22:47] <leftyfb> or*
[22:47] <inte> and i dont want support
[22:47] <flying_sausages> .....
[22:47] <leftyfb> inte: Then you have no business asking for help here
[22:47] <flying_sausages> this is a room for ubuntu
[22:48] <inte> I  was only asking if someone here is using this version or not and i made my question clear
[22:48] <leftyfb> inte: we don't take surveys
[22:48] <flying_sausages> inte, second answer might clear things up https://askubuntu.com/questions/938234/skype-4-3-old-for-16-04-lts?answertab=active#tab-top
[22:49] <inte> flying_sausages: thank you that answers my question defineately
[22:50] <flying_sausages> glad that's resolved
[22:50] <inte> now im still somewhat sad thoug ;-(
[22:50] <flying_sausages> although I would kindly like to tell you that I found this by one google query.
[22:51] <flying_sausages> what is so bad about 5.x?
[22:51] <inte> but i neednt spend time trying
[22:52] <inte> flying_sausages: yes ok but well hidden i guess. i probably missed the correct search terms since i only found hits of the announcment from last year
[22:52] <inte> compared to the old release, the new release is quite laggy
[22:52] <inte> and i really dont like the new interface design
[22:52] <inte> its like a website
[22:52] <inte> not an app anymore
[22:53] <flying_sausages> any chance this would be a suitable alternative? https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb
[22:55] <flying_sausages> inte, I am now leaving work so I hope you figure something out in the end. good luck
[22:55] <inte> oh thank you i didnt know that
[22:55] <inte> flying_sausages: yes thank you, i will look into it
[22:56] <inte> im mostly using riot nowadays anyways but some people still stick with skype
[22:57] <massprog> hi, I installed xubuntu desktop on ubuntu and then I delete it but still show up when turn on or off computer
[23:03]  * extor wonders if anyone here is familiar with the dante socks server
[23:08] <josephb> Anyone know anything about XFCE4 here?
[23:11] <jmalone> josephb, I know a little.
[23:12] <jmalone> What do you need?
[23:13] <josephb> Any idea why my sleep button doesn't work as expected, I've reconfigured xflock4 to run slock when I want to lock my screen, however, when the lid closes or the laptop naturally sleeps then the screen goes black (backlight and laptop still on) and I can't get back into a GUI without rebooting the laptop
[23:14] <josephb> The lock screen button works fine, however, the sleep after a certain period and lid closing don't activate the lock
[23:19] <jmalone> I'm not sure about using slock with xflock4. I've never used it before. xflock4 has always worked for me with xscreensaver which is how I use it.
[23:20] <josephb> hmm i'll look at using xscreensaver then, it has a password login right?
[23:20] <jmalone> yes.
[23:20] <josephb> Okay thanks :)
[23:41] <JoshuaD> I tried shrinking a lvm using system-config-lvm. It seemed successful, but when I restarted that computer, the system wouldn't boot back into ubuntu. Now, that same tool won't let me restore the size of the lvm. Any ideas / suggestions?