[02:17] <edwinksl> so i just noticed the firefox nightly ppa at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa doesn't make builds for 17.04 anymore, although 17.04 hasn't gone EOL yet. who should i talk to convince that it is worth it to make builds for 17.04? :)
[02:19] <jbicha> edwinksl: those ppa's are maintained by a volunteer and I have to assume he doesnt run 17.04 any more
[02:19] <edwinksl> :(
[02:22] <simonizor> Firefox has no required deps that aren't present on Ubuntu by default; you can just use the tar from their website without having to install anything if you like
[02:22] <simonizor> it updates itself, so not like you *really need* your package manager to take care of it
[02:23] <jbicha> you have to upgrade to 17.10 within 2 months anyway
[02:24] <simonizor> That's why I just stick with LTS on my main PC and mess around with the other releases in VMs lol
[02:24] <simonizor> Between the rolling kernel on 16.04 and PPAs for a couple of other things, I'm not missing much using Xubuntu on 16.04
[06:36] <didrocks> good morning
[08:51] <willcooke> morning all
[08:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[08:53] <willcooke> morning oSoMoN, how goes?
[08:54] <didrocks> welcome back willcooke! hey oSoMoN
[08:54] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[08:56] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke, didrocks
[08:56] <oSoMoN> I'm good, thanks
[08:56] <oSoMoN> willcooke, how are you yourself?
[08:57] <willcooke> oSoMoN, pretty good.  Enjoyed a few days off, but now the inevitable email backlog
[08:58] <oSoMoN> yeah, that's the price to pay :/
[08:59] <oSoMoN> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.2-0ubuntu5/+build/13752520 looks like a deadlock to me, anyone seen that before?
[09:04] <Laney> what up
[09:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:07] <Laney> guten morgen didrocks
[09:07] <Laney> wie gehts?
[09:10] <didrocks> Laney: Gut, und bei euch?
[09:11] <Laney> haha
[09:11]  * Laney has never heard that before
[09:11] <Laney> ich bin WUNDERBAR!
[09:12] <Laney> mir ist?
[09:12] <Laney> always get confused about that one
[09:14] <didrocks> Apart the missing ümlaut on wünderbar, that matches my few memory about German ;)
[09:15]  * Laney doesn't think it has one of those
[09:16] <ricotz> wünderbar is not a word ;) so no umlaut here
[09:16] <didrocks> argh
[09:16] <didrocks> fail thus ;)
[09:17] <didrocks> I have never learnt that umlaut were only for words and not adjectives
[09:17] <didrocks> was just learning by heart
[09:17] <ricotz> of course you can play with those to make it sound funny while it will be still understandable ;P
[09:20] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, jfyi, your "Author" line in debian/patches/skip-testLineBreaking-icu60.patch caused some anger
[09:20] <seb128> hey willcooke oSoMoN Laney
[09:20] <seb128> hey ricotz
[09:20] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[09:20] <seb128> ricotz, who got angry and why?
[09:21] <ricotz> seb128, the debian maintainer which keeps an eye on ubuntu changes too
[09:22] <ricotz> and the why seems obvious to me too
[09:22] <seb128> well I don't know who is in there
[09:22] <seb128> and who wrote the patch
[09:22] <seb128> so no it's not obvious :p
[09:24] <oSoMoN> ricotz, did it?
[09:24] <ricotz> "dtardon and erAck wrote it"
[09:24] <oSoMoN> yes, and I had to update the patch substantially for it to apply against 5.4.2
[09:25] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I haven't looked at the details, I pasted the pings I got as pm to you
[09:25] <seb128> the debian maintainer likes to complains about Ubuntu nothing new...
[09:25] <oSoMoN> ricotz, thanks
[09:26] <oSoMoN> I don't have an ego problem so I can remove the Author line, no big deal
[09:26] <oSoMoN> that will become an authorless patch
[09:26] <ricotz> just wanted to keep you in the loop here
[09:26] <oSoMoN> cheers
[09:27] <ricotz> adding the original authors additionally would suffice imo
[09:28] <oSoMoN> yes, I'll do that
[09:29] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, he can be fun
[09:30] <seb128> that's one way to say it :)
[09:52] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=8eadd6f552cfdf1f4aa540bfe5b5ead5ff75c603
[09:54] <oSoMoN> on to testing the 5.4.2 SRU for artful
[09:54] <ricotz> oSoMoN, looks fine, if you didn't make any actual changes to it otherwise mentioning yourself would be fine
[09:56] <ricotz> (dropping buildsys changes and external/* is no actual change imho)
[09:57] <ricotz> oSoMoN, regarding firebird, since it is possible to build-dep on universe packages and splitting the resulting binary-packages in main and universe, it seems reasonable to enable it?
[10:03] <oSoMoN> ricotz, the changes I mentioned were to apply the patch cleanly on 5.4.2, they're not dropping buildsys and external/* changes, I wouldn't consider that an actual change indeed
[10:04] <ricotz> ok
[10:05] <oSoMoN> ricotz, regarding firebird, I guess we can, but I'm not familiar with what that does, what's the reason for not enabling it now?
[10:05] <ricotz> it is database backend which lives in a separate package
[10:16] <oSoMoN> ricotz, and until now we're disabling firebird in the build, do you know why?
[10:18] <ricotz> afaik only because of main/universe conflict (it was disable a long time ago)
[10:18] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ok, so it sounds like it makes sense to try enabling it again
[10:18] <ricotz> will be something for 6.0 then
[10:19] <oSoMoN> yes
[10:20] <oSoMoN> ricotz, if you have some time/motivation, can you do some smoke-testing of 1:5.4.2-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 that's in artful-proposed? Doing that myself now
[10:37] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/346566031/buildlog_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:37] <Laney> + echo snap: found ohmygiraffe
[10:37] <Laney> + ALL_SNAPS=ohmygiraffe
[10:38] <Laney> ...
[10:38] <Laney> Fetching snap "ohmygiraffe"
[10:38] <Laney> #goodtimes #seededsnap
[10:39] <seb128> woooooot
[10:39] <Laney> better get some code reviews ;-)
[10:41] <willcooke> nice one Laney
[10:42] <Laney> should check what happens on (e.g.) armhf
[10:42] <Laney> guessing ohmygiraffe snap isn't available there
[10:43] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+livefs/ubuntu/bionic/ubuntu/+build/115823
[10:43] <willcooke> yeah, expect there will be a lot of those
[10:43] <Laney> hoping for that to fail, for the record if you click on it later and if it has failed :P
[10:43] <willcooke> will we need to specify a fall back to deb or something for that?
[10:44] <Laney> you'll have to seed it with arch specifiers
[10:44] <Laney> snap:ohmygiraffe [amd64]
[10:44] <Laney> then either give a deb or nothing for the other arches
[10:44] <Laney> ohmygiraffe [!amd64]
[10:45] <Laney> snap: is the proposed syntax anyway, let's see what the review says
[10:51] <willcooke> go it
[10:51] <willcooke> got
[10:57] <oSoMoN> cool
[11:08] <Laney> got an exciting infinite loop in libinput just then
[11:08] <Laney> seems fixed in 1.8.4, guess we should update
[11:09] <Laney> also it looks like bugs.freedesktop.org got blacklisted by google
[11:09] <seb128> right, #gnomefr people talked about that
[11:10] <seb128> https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=http:%2F%2Fbugs.freedesktop.org%2F
[11:10] <Laney> did someone tell the fdo admins?
[11:11] <Laney> helpful
[11:11] <Laney> somebody probably spammed a bug
[11:18] <seb128> I don't know if they reported it
[11:18] <seb128> one of the guys on the channel work at google but said he didn't have time to look at it today/figure out what triggered the block exactly
[11:19] <seb128> then the discussion shifted on "should move away from fdo"
[11:19] <seb128> since the infra is poorly maintained etc
[11:25] <Laney> seems known
[11:29] <seb128> good
[11:29] <Laney> what was I doing...
[11:29] <Laney> ...yak shaving...
[11:29] <oSoMoN> seb128, can you please retry the last autopkgtest failure there: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/lib/libreoffice/artful/s390x ?
[11:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, done
[11:30] <Laney> yes, file MPs and then look at the libinput update
[11:31] <Laney> jbicha: hey, can you confirm/deny whether you looked at libinput 1.8.4 already?
[11:31] <seb128> isn't tjaalton the one looking after libinput usually?
[11:31] <Laney> could be
[11:32] <Laney> guess we just pinged the most likely suspects
[11:32] <Laney> I had just looked at the tracker and saw pochu on the few latest ones
[11:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, thanks
[11:34] <seb128> np
[11:37] <tjaalton> Laney: for bionic? there's 1.9.2 that could be merged
[11:39] <Laney> tjaalton: nein, to SRU the point release
[11:39] <Laney> bionic would need updating one way or the other tho
[11:42] <tjaalton> ok
[11:42] <tjaalton> what's the bug#=?
[11:42] <tjaalton> -=
[11:44] <Laney> I didn't report one on launchpad
[11:45] <Laney> if you like fighting with safe browsing the one I hit is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103298
[11:45] <Laney> ♥ ubot5 rides the wild west
[11:46] <tjaalton> hah
[11:50] <tjaalton> perhaps a generic bugfix-sru would do
[11:51] <Laney> ya that's what we normally do with gnome updates
[11:51] <Laney> there's an SRU exception for those but still I'd think this would be accepted
[12:00] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1733573
[12:02] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1724259
[12:02] <Laney> that's the LP one for the bug I had
[12:02] <tjaalton> ah
[12:02] <tjaalton> ok
[12:02] <Laney> so you can probably close that with the upload too
[12:02] <Laney> thanks!
[12:02] <tjaalton> yep
[12:04] <tjaalton> wonder if the patches for ubuntu touch/phone could be dropped from bionic..
[12:05] <seb128> yeah, no point to keep patches for touch
[12:05] <tjaalton> right
[12:06] <Laney> is that all the delta?
[12:06] <tjaalton> yes, three patches
[12:06] <Laney> cool
[12:06] <Laney> sync it imho
[12:06] <tjaalton> been maintaining those for two years now..
[12:07] <tjaalton> so that they apply & build
[12:08] <Laney> We've been dropping similar (in spirit) patches elsewhere
[12:09] <tjaalton> synced, whee
[12:10] <seb128> what were the change about? they were useful only in the touch context?
[12:10] <tjaalton> libinput: add orientation and size of touch point and pressure to the API
[12:10] <tjaalton> never accepted upstream
[12:10] <tjaalton> that was the big one
[12:11] <tjaalton> one was for mx4
[12:12] <tjaalton> the third patch modified libinput.sym to mark the new api as added in 0.21.0
[14:30] <willcooke> ding ding ding
[14:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-11-21
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 21 14:30:42 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (hols), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN (out), seb128 (might be out), tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <jibel> hola o/
[14:30] <jbicha> o/
[14:31] <seb128> hey
[14:31]  * oSoMoN says hi and goes afk for a PTA meeting, ttyl
[14:31] <didrocks> hey hey
[14:31] <willcooke> l8r oSoMoN
[14:31] <Laney> sup
[14:32] <heber> o/
[14:32] <kenvandine> o/
[14:33] <willcooke> Lots of people out today , so will be a quick one
[14:33] <willcooke> Not sure if andyrock is ready or not, let's find out
[14:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[14:34] <willcooke> Guess not
[14:34] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[14:34] <dgadomski> hey
[14:34] <dgadomski> sadly, I have nothing desktop-related this week
[14:34] <dgadomski> eof
[14:34] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[14:35] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[14:35] <seb128> willcooke, andyrock is off today I think
[14:35] <willcooke> ah, thanks seb128
[14:35] <didrocks> * Dash to Dock/Ubuntu Dock: Get dock transparency enhancement committed upstream (not yet in bionic, will get when DtD has more changes).
[14:35] <didrocks> * Work on sound above 100%:
[14:35] <didrocks>   - got new schema in gnome-desktop-schemas merged.
[14:35] <didrocks>   - got part of the fix in gnome-settings-daemon OK COMMIT, after a lot of back and forth on implementation and API with the maintainer. The final patch (UI-triggering side) isn't merged though, pending input from GNOME designers.
[14:35] <didrocks>   - rebased GNOME Shell API on this new contract with g-s-d ^ Pinged upstream for review multiple times, no movement so far.
[14:35] <didrocks> * Try to get "safe mode extensions" GNOME Shell patch reviewed. Upstream devs waits on GNOME designers input. (pinged directly as well). No movement so far.
[14:35] <didrocks> * Picked some people volunteering for working on new theming and design, get a new category created and organize it with topics, FAQ, and various sections: https://community.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/theme-refresh. Participate on other threads as well.
[14:35] <didrocks> * Talk with dash to dock on compatibility issue.
[14:35] <didrocks> * SRU appindicator and rebase for 18.04
[14:35] <didrocks> * Some compatibility issues discussion with DtD upstream
[14:35] <didrocks> * Help Alan on getting started on GG snap
[14:35] <didrocks> .
[14:35] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[14:35] <willcooke> thanks for helping on the GG snap
[14:35] <didrocks> yw!
[14:36] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[14:36] <jbicha> • Started SRUs for most of the important 3.26.2 updates except gdm3 and evolution stack. Thanks jibel for help verifying the SRUs.
[14:36] <jbicha> • Two big completed artful SRUs are LP: #1728421 and LP: #1730097
[14:36] <jbicha> • Continuing discussion of headerbar patch removal proposal. Xubuntu switched to MATE apps.
[14:36] <jbicha> Initially, it looked like Unity contributors mostly wanted to switch to MATE apps too, but there's some resistance now. See the Community discussions.
[14:36] <jbicha> • Proposed a Linux buildsystem for Emoji Two (adapted from Noto Emoji) https://github.com/EmojiTwo/emojitwo/pull/167
[14:36] <jbicha> • Firefox 58 Beta in the PPA now installs the Mozilla version of the EmojiOne font, thanks to ricotz. I believe Firefox doesn't use the same system as the new GNOME feature.
[14:36] <jbicha> • Working with the Debian Fonts team to package fontmake & all its dependencies to allow building several fonts from source https://bugs.debian.org/865283
[14:36] <jbicha> • Merged gtk3 from Debian so it uses dh instead of cdbs now.
[14:36] <jbicha> • GNOME Tweaks 3.27.2 released with Global Dark Theme hack removed.
[14:36] <jbicha> 🦃
[14:37] <willcooke> excellent, thanks jbicha
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[14:37] <willcooke> kenvandine, could you remind jamesh to do his update email when you next speak to him.  A calendar reminder would be a good idea :)
[14:37] <seb128> still not?
[14:37] <kenvandine> willcooke, will do
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic jibel  / heber / QA
[14:38] <jibel> - SRU verification on artful of ubuntu-themes, gnome-software, gnome-shell-extension-appindicator, gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-control-center, gnome-shell
[14:38] <jibel> - Proposed a fix for bug 1732185 and unblock the GUI upgrade to bionic.
[14:38] <jibel> - Adding main_all test upgrade scenario (upgrade to bionic with the largest package set from the main pocket installed)
[14:38] <jibel> - Make snaps under tests introspectable by autopilot
[14:38] <jibel> - Resolve proxy issue in jenkins for tests that find, download, install, etc snaps
[14:38] <jibel> ..
[14:38] <jibel> willcooke, ^ this needs escalation to foundations
[14:38] <willcooke> jibel,  the update-manager one?
[14:38] <jibel> yes
[14:38] <willcooke> ack
[14:39] <jibel> depending on whether they are fine with the workaround or prefer to make it wayland compatible
[14:39] <willcooke> jibel, will follow up now
[14:39] <willcooke> thanks
[14:39] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[14:39] <kenvandine> * Started working on a classic snap for gnome-builder, needs quite a few deps that aren't available for xenial
[14:39] <kenvandine> * Merged all the distros patches for xchat-indicator upstream and rolled a new release including them, uploaded to bionic
[14:39] <kenvandine> * Added the indicator plugin to the hexchat snap for libunity integration.  Loading the plugin causes hexchat to hang when confined, need to debug that.
[14:39] <kenvandine> * Out the rest of the week
[14:39] <kenvandine> eof
[14:40] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[14:40] <willcooke> Happy Thanksgiving
[14:40] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[14:40] <kenvandine> thx
[14:40] <Laney> sup
[14:40] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[14:40] <Laney> ∘ we hit some critical sad point where too many workers spawning too many python3-nova processes were creating some kind of death spiral that was making tests take 10s of minutes to start and even getting some autopkgtest processes (actual test runs) OOM killed. To fix that I re-deployed the cloud worker onto a bigger machine. jujuuuuuuuuuuu
[14:41] <Laney> ‣ funny story - I initially didn't take the old worker down, just disabled it. This was so that other users could fetch stuff from it if they needed to. SOMEHOW in a mystery way though, the machine got re-enabled and started processing jobs, so both the new and the old worker were working on tests. Then a maintenance script which detects orphaned cloud instance kicked in on both boxes. They were fi
[14:41] <Laney> ghting and killing each others' instances. ...
[14:41] <Laney> ... MY TEST. NO. MY TEST. Result was almost no tests. :)
[14:41] <Laney> ∘ helped provide some info to IS about an openvswitch bug that's erroring some of our instances
[14:41] <Laney> ∘ discussed quotas with Steve and helped a bit with adjusting s390x onto a separate config within the same bos02 region as arm64 - they are actually separate compute pools so shouldn't share the same quota (implemented as 'virtual' quotas for now at least)
[14:41] <Laney> • helped a little bit more with the big migration of hell
[14:41] <Laney> • snap seeding: iterated a few times on livecd-rootfs & this morning got a build with a seeded snap in it. It's hard to turn this into an ISO though, so for now I just assume it works. Once it's all reviewed and modified until everyone's happy we can test in reality.
[14:41] <Laney> • going to be off on hols next week
[14:41] <Laney> 🚧
[14:42] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:42] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[14:42] <willcooke> • chromium
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ investigated bug #1732482 and started forum thread
[14:42] <willcooke> (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-expose-desktop-files-created-by-snaps-to-the-de/2853)
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ updated chromium snap to not ship fonts any longer (snapd 2.29 is out)
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ updated chromium beta to 63.0.3239.52 and updated snap in beta channel
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ attended DMB meeting on Monday, my PPU application was approved 😊
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ moved over my chromium PPAs to ~chromium-team
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ updated chromium stable to 62.0.3202.94, waiting on validation by
[14:42] <willcooke> the security team
[14:42] <willcooke> • libreoffice
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ updated libreoffice snap to not ship fonts any longer (snapd 2.29 is out)
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ 1:5.4.2-0ubuntu4 uploaded to bionic with a patch that disables a
[14:42] <willcooke> failing unit test (ICU 60) to unblock the ICU transition
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ then 1:5.4.2-0ubuntu5 uploaded with upstream fix for ICU 60
[14:42] <willcooke> compatibility, currently building in bionic-proposed
[14:42] <willcooke>   ∘ 1:5.4.2-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 SRU ready in artful-proposed and tested
[14:42] <willcooke> by myself, marked verification-done-artful
[14:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[14:42] <seb128> congrats oSoMoN!
[14:42] <kenvandine> +1
[14:42] <willcooke> \o/
[14:42] <seb128> • one day off
[14:42] <seb128> • some sponsoring
[14:42] <seb128> • still mostly spent the week in bugs triaging/debugging
[14:42] <seb128> • some SRU preparations
[14:42] <seb128> • reviews of plans for the cycle
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[14:43] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[14:43] <willcooke> - cups/cups-filters snap: Continued working on the snap, applying strict confinement and making it work (with a lot of help from the snapcraft.io forum: jdstrand, ondra, ogra, ... Thanks to all of them!). The snap now works mostly on both Classic (Bionic) and Ubuntu Core. Printing with PPD and filters, lpstat, lpadmin, cupsctl, ..., printer sharing with Avahi and cups-browsed, only admin actions in the CUPS web interface do not
[14:43] <willcooke> work, opened forum thread to treat this.
[14:43] <willcooke> - See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapping-cups-printing-stack-avahi-support-system-users-groups/1502
[14:43] <willcooke> - Google Summer of Code 2018: There are already 50-60 student CVs!
[14:43] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[14:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[14:43] <willcooke> · Went through the backlog of various forum/ML/bugs
[14:43] <willcooke> · Triaging of some bugs
[14:43] <willcooke> · Some helping in fixing various extensions causing gs to crash
[14:43] <willcooke> · Did ubuntu-themes landing and published SRU for artful
[14:43] <willcooke> · Migrated to firefox 56 (love it!), and moved all my build
[14:43] <willcooke>   tools, schroots and VMs to bionic.
[14:43] <willcooke> · Got in touch with the unity7
[14:43] <willcooke> · Compiz reviews
[14:43] <willcooke> · Did a compiz and unity landing (wrote a new migration script for
[14:43] <willcooke>   fixing lowgfx mode settings)
[14:43] <willcooke> · Updated compiz/unity SRU packages with more fixes, and updated the
[14:43] <Trevinho> (hi!)
[14:43] <willcooke>   affected bugs to follow the template.
[14:43] <willcooke>   Please someone publish this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2841
[14:43] <willcooke> · Gave a read to Didier's GS patches
[14:43] <willcooke> · Updated patch for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788931
[14:44] <willcooke> . https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/GnomeShell/GnomeShell4
[14:44] <willcooke> · Saludos desde Panamá 🇵🇦
[14:44] <willcooke> :)
[14:44] <Trevinho>  - /EOF
[14:44] <willcooke> Trevinho, you want to add anything or all good?
[14:44] <willcooke> :)
[14:44] <willcooke> that'll do
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[14:44] <Trevinho> all good, I wanted to paste, but not to dubplicate, so...
[14:44] <willcooke> - Working on snap channel selection in GNOME Software
[14:44] <willcooke> - Patches to snapd to fix JSON output
[14:44] <willcooke> - snapd-glib 1.27, 1.28, 1.29 releases.
[14:44] <willcooke> - LightDM 1.25.0 release, migration to github completed.
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:44] <willcooke> Anyone got anything to add?
[14:45] <willcooke> Going in 10..
[14:45] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 21 14:45:59 2017 UTC.
[14:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-11-21-14.30.moin.txt
[14:46] <willcooke> Thanks everyone
[14:46] <willcooke> nice and quick
[14:46] <willcooke> jibel, Have chased with Foundations will report back asap
[14:46] <didrocks> thanks!
[14:46] <jibel> thanks
[14:46] <Trevinho> ... and good morning :)
[14:47] <seb128> thx
[14:47] <Trevinho> seb128: can you publish that silo?
[14:47] <seb128> sure
[15:21] <sabdfl> willcooke, could you look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1727237 please?
[15:21] <sabdfl> this is captive portal bugginess that is hurtin 17.10 users
[15:22] <sabdfl> maybe worth a backport SRU to 17.10 if we have resolved this on bionic
[15:22] <sabdfl> i am on bionic but can't test as I don't have a captive portal handy
[15:23] <willcooke> sabdfl, ack
[15:37] <mdeslaur> I'm trying out artful, and I'm not seeing the dot next to the clock at the top when I have missed notifications...is that broken, or do I have to turn it on?
[15:39] <didrocks> mdeslaur: the dot is on for everyone, you can't get it disabled. However, if you click on the clock or any notification, it will disappear
[15:39] <mdeslaur> didrocks: I never get the dot
[15:40] <mdeslaur> didrocks: any idea why%?
[15:40] <didrocks> mdeslaur: hum, not really, you should have it for emails at least
[15:40] <mdeslaur> I'm trying it with hexchat
[15:40] <didrocks> (I'm unsure it's for all kinds of notifications though)
[15:41] <mdeslaur> I see the notification popup, but when I disappears, I don't have a dot
[15:42] <didrocks> yeah, I reproduce (I never relied on the dot TBH, I find it not noticeable)
[15:42] <didrocks> I'll look at the algorithm, I'm unsure about what it's supposed to be exactly
[15:42] <mdeslaur> didrocks: what are you relying on?
[15:42]  * gQuigs is also delaying knowing about pings because of this (using pidgin)
[15:42] <didrocks> mdeslaur: some notification stays until you move your mouse
[15:43] <didrocks> so, I got used to notice them
[15:43] <mgedmin> I have one unread notification right now and no dot next to the date
[15:43] <didrocks> but I'm not fully satisfied either about this "no disturb" paradigm
[15:48] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'm fairly dissatisfied with that myself
[15:48] <kenvandine> thankfully we have the dock with emblems :)
[15:48] <didrocks> yep!
[15:48]  * didrocks goes a little bit earlier today, see you tomorrow guys!
[16:11] <gQuigs> where does upstream for casper live?  I see https://launchpad.net/casper but trunk hasn't been updated in ages
[16:12] <gQuigs> (assuming it's still really important and there isn't some alternative we plan to switch too)
[16:20] <seb128> mdeslaur, I wonder if that has to do with the urgency parameter of the notifications
[16:20] <seb128> or the type
[16:21] <mdeslaur> hrm, maybe
[18:12] <Laney> night!
[18:40] <willcooke> night all
[23:42] <kenvandine> EOW for me!
[23:42]  * kenvandine waves