[05:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !cdrom
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://www.speed-battle.com/speedtest_e.php
[07:10] <lordievader> Thanks :)
[07:10] <lordievader> 1343.23 on Chrome
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> neat
[07:11] <lordievader> 2085.27 on FF57
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> oO
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> woot
[07:12] <lordievader> Do you have any idea how they come up with these numbers?
[07:26] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:28] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:28] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:28] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[07:29] <EriC^^> good, just woke up, how about you?
[07:29] <lordievader> Doing good here. Just found out FF is faster than Chrome in that browser test.
[07:30] <EriC^^> cool
[07:30] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: hey
[07:30] <lordievader> "problem" is... I don't really want to switch.
[07:30] <EriC^^> heh :D
[07:31] <EriC^^> whatever floats one's boat is good :)
[07:31] <lordievader> Ture
[07:31] <lordievader> True, even.
[07:41] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:42] <EriC^^> good morning ducasse
[07:43] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[07:43] <ducasse> all good today?
[07:43] <EriC^^> yes thanks
[07:43] <EriC^^> how about you?
[07:44] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:46] <ducasse> good here, still waking up
[07:46] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & EriC^^
[08:06] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[08:07] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje
[08:07] <ducasse> what's up?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> tested FF57 on cable yesterday
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> was double fast, and even faster on guest
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> so its my profile/system lagging
[08:12] <ducasse> i've been using both chromium and firefox for a while, but might cut out chromium again now
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> cool ducasse
[08:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Could also be a browser plugin.
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: it disabled old plugins
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: or you mean like shockwave flash or so?
[08:15] <lordievader> No, things like Reddit enhancer. Those kind of plugins.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> didnt add of those stuff
[08:21] <lordievader> So, no browser plugins loaded?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yes: openh264 codec & shockwave flash
[08:23] <lordievader> Hmm, those shouldn't make a huge impact.
[08:23] <lordievader> Probably some config option then.
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> well i got bit scrambled system also
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> installed gnome,kde and mate over unity lol
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> so i surely need a clean install
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> to test FF vanilla
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> anyway showertime & prepare for work
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:45] <oerheks> hi BluesKaj
[12:45] <oerheks> again those 2 trolls
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks. which trolls
[12:46] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:48] <oerheks> everything will go bad, whatever we say :-D
[12:48] <oerheks> all i read is some libinput issue, and nothing more really
[12:49] <lordievader> Libinput made my touchpad a whole lot better 🙂
[12:50] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[12:50] <ducasse> oerheks, the trollslayer!
[12:51] <oerheks> different name, different ip, same behaviour if you ask me
[12:52] <oerheks> doctor says i have no pheunomia, just water behind the lungs
[12:52] <ducasse> i've noticed that Lavinho has started logging on with different nicks from the same ips, still asking for help with that known-bad acer
[12:53] <ducasse> just won't accept it has known issues
[12:53] <BluesKaj> oerheks, wegot that guy in ##linux too
[12:54] <oerheks> bad acer .. wait, is that the same as CrazyTux?
[12:54] <TJ-> Wow! tried to read an upstream bug report at freedesktop.org for that libinput bug... and got (from browser) "Nightly blocked this page because it might attempt to install malicious software that may steal or delete personal information on your computer."
[12:54] <oerheks> no distro works fine for his failing hardware
[12:54] <TJ-> Is that the Acer locked to Windows bootmgr64.efi ?
[12:54] <ducasse> oerheks: no, i doubt it
[12:54] <TJ-> the workaround is simply to rename the Linux bootloader to be bootmgr53.efi
[12:55] <ducasse> TJ-: aiui that was not enough
[12:56] <ducasse> then again, the language barrier is a major burden in that case
[12:57] <TJ-> well, as bootmgr53.efi it certainly won't work :)
[12:57] <TJ-> ducasse: all the articles I researched on that said it does work
[12:59] <ducasse> i didn't look that much into it, but he swore he'd done it and it still won't work. one article i read also mentioned a bios update being necessary, don't know if he'd done that - i'll ask him next time.
[13:02] <TJ-> as you said half the problem or more is the communication
[13:04] <ducasse> i think so, yes. whenever he's asked for something he just clams up and eventually quits, or just says he doesn't understand what he's being asked for. hard to help in that case, as i charge for mind-reading.
[13:10] <oerheks> man, his rant is really going nowhere
[13:10] <oerheks> on ignore now
[13:10] <TJ-> Yes; after a time you can sense when the instructions you've given aren't being applied verbatim - the user's make arbitrary changes to them and don't tell you but report "it doesn't work"
[13:12] <TJ-> BluesKaj: regarding your PVR disk. Check it's health with "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" - if there are no logged errors and a low reallocted_sector count then writing zeros to the badblocks will allow the device to remap good sectors in.
[13:13] <TJ-> BluesKaj: as to whether the badblocks are a precursor to a larger failure; it's hard to know
[13:15] <BluesKaj> TJ-, thanks for the tips...think I'll order an out boaed enclosure for it and connect it tp my laptop which has a faster cpu when I decide to try again \
[13:16] <BluesKaj> outboard
[13:16] <TJ-> BluesKaj: some devices develop a few badblocks early and then stabalise... others continue developing them and die suddenly
[13:17] <BluesKaj> TJ it does show I/O errors with fdisk
[13:18] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it's on the way out!
[13:18] <TJ-> I/O errors mean it the drive firmware can't correct
[13:19] <ducasse> the magic smoke has gone :(
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, kinda figured that, the pvr was acting up with pixelating etc even with a 90% sat signal, so i had it rplaced
[13:21] <BluesKaj> no biggie anyway
[13:23] <TJ-> I think my follow script is about fully debugged now - it's making support much more fun not having to chase conversations
[13:24] <BluesKaj> follow script eh? , sounds interesting
[13:24] <TJ-> I've a couple of feature add-ons I'm thinking of: 1) auto-post the topic log to a web server so others can read it and 2) make the topic buffer an IRC channel so other's can join and monitor the conversation
[13:25] <TJ-> It's for weechat; a python plugin add-on. http://iam.tj/projects/weechat/
[13:32] <oerheks> easter egg in man  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405783/why-does-man-print-gimme-gimme-gimme-at-0030
[13:32] <oerheks> :-D
[13:35] <ducasse> "what sort of test would break on parsing the output of man with no page specified? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that one turned up eventually, but it did take six years."
[13:35] <ducasse> lol
[13:36] <ducasse> great find, oerheks!
[13:37] <oerheks> i was waiting for an easter egg, as i like this rebellion
[13:38] <oerheks> yeah, 6 years, too long to take security survey serious, it should be noticed
[13:39] <oerheks> what is next, easter eggs in GCC?
[13:43] <ducasse> http://www.eeggs.com/items/651.html
[13:44] <oerheks> :-D
[13:45] <oerheks> omg it did
[13:47] <oerheks> LoLz https://twitter.com/joesaward/status/932738294852603904
[14:34] <BluesKaj> oerheks, he cloned the OS from a different pc, this setup is gonna be fulll of errors
[14:36] <BluesKaj> don't think there's much point trying to help...we shouldn't encourage this kind of installation
[14:38] <oerheks> true, but he claimed it also does on a live iso
[14:38] <oerheks> meh, no answer, he is probably trying elsewere
[14:39] <BluesKaj> that's just his first problem
[16:27] <TJ-> Remember that warrshrike complaining about libinput earlier? Switched to Fedora and now the BCM wifi has no drivers
[16:38] <daftykins> XD
[16:38] <daftykins> he switched because of blaming ubuntu for problems, so now has a new one?
[16:42] <TJ-> apparently... in ##linux
[16:43] <daftykins> that's so perfect :D
[16:49] <oerheks> TJ-, from the same ip as Lavinho
[16:49] <oerheks> ./11/15/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:nov 15 13:31:37 <TJ->	Lavinho: we had someone else with this same issue on an Acer a few days ago
[16:49] <oerheks> ./11/15/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:nov 15 13:34:21 <TJ->	Lavinho: if i recall correctly that user saved the new setting but needed to do 2 reboots to have it recognise it
[16:49] <oerheks> is he trolling???
[16:52] <TJ-> oerheks: I doubt it; I think there's language issues plus the user just not understanding the instructions. Which is, in summary, AFTER installation but BEFORE reboot, creating the /boot/efi/EFI/windows/ path (is that the Windows path on EFI?) and copying the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi or grubx64.efi to that directory as "bootmgrfw.efi" (or whatever the articles say the bootloader name is)
[16:54] <oerheks> grub was installed /EFI/ubuntu and not /EFI/Linux.?? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=254948
[17:13] <TJ-> I'm asking for a translator in #ubuntu-pt
[17:14] <daftykins> Mint? *spits*
[17:16] <ducasse> has the policy on supporting derivatives changed? i've always heard we should tell them to get support from their distro, so why spend time on an elementary user?
[17:17] <oerheks> i dunno
[17:18] <daftykins> it's down to how you feel really
[17:18] <daftykins> if the ops told you to stop helping someone then that would be pretty poor form
[17:18] <daftykins> Mint users however should be sent to /dev/null
[17:18] <oerheks> debian users too ... wait..
[17:19] <daftykins> ;D
[17:19] <daftykins> do you still get folk lying about what they're using? :D
[17:19] <ducasse> constantly, probably
[17:19] <daftykins> the best were the CentOS users who clearly pasted their [user@host:/#] shells
[17:19] <daftykins> square braces being the dead giveaway
[17:20] <oerheks> nooo.. never noticed they held important non-standard information back,from some webblog, i heard
[17:20] <oerheks> All proper and honest open people, daftykins
[17:20] <oerheks> .. things have changed since your ban
[17:21]  * oerheks runs with Drabber to the door
[17:22] <ducasse> and we get the funny ones, like the guy that edited out uuids from parted outputs and refused to pastebin stuff without censoring it first :)
[17:23] <oerheks> hostnamectl status | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:25] <daftykins> :D
[17:49] <EriC^^> hey all
[17:50] <oerheks> Hi di hi EriC^^
[17:51] <EriC^^> hi oerheks :D
[17:52] <ducasse> \o EriC^^ - signing on for the evening?
[17:52] <EriC^^> ducasse: o/ yup :)
[17:52] <oerheks> wait, is azureus still around ?
[17:52] <oerheks> grinn
[17:53] <daftykins> EriC^^: \o
[17:53] <EriC^^> hey daftykins :)
[17:58] <EriC^^> i wonder why google hates me
[17:58] <daftykins> hmm? they hate us Guernsey folk too, don't worry :)
[17:58] <EriC^^> "get all comments of a youtube video youtubextras" it even shows like 9th or something with the name in the search
[17:59] <EriC^^> daftykins: why do you say that?
[18:01] <daftykins> well they won't even let us view/buy their devices direct solely for living here
[18:01] <daftykins> we're geoIP blocked
[18:02] <oerheks> Gexit !
[18:02] <EriC^^> yikes
[18:02] <daftykins> we never were in Europe!
[18:02] <daftykins> :)
[18:02] <daftykins> er the EU even
[18:03] <oerheks> true, keeping the pound is such a weird thing being a member of the EU
[18:04] <daftykins> it is #1 currency!
[18:04] <TJ-> This is a great article on LWN about NERF - removing/reducing the Intel ME and UEFI blobs and using Linux https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/738649/81007748bf15c1e5/
[18:04] <daftykins> our notes are better though ;)
[18:13] <Bashing-om> Do this again :)
[18:53] <oerheks> something new discovered, Linux.BackDoor.Hook.1
[18:55] <immu> oerheks, whats thats a torjan
[18:55] <immu> or a rootkit
[18:55] <oerheks> https://vms.drweb.com/virus/?i=15961534&lng=en
[18:55] <oerheks> brute attack
[20:13] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[20:38] <Advation> Hey everyone - Have an interesting setup I'm trying to get setup. I'd like the ability to allow Ubuntu 16.04 guest sessions have access to the lpadmin command to add and remove printers. Anyone have an idea on how I can accomplish this?
[20:39] <TJ-> Advation: see "man sudoers"
[20:39] <daftykins> please read the topic, this isn't a support channel