[01:54] <MrQueeba> having an issue with ubuntu mate 17.10. the welcome screen and software boutique dont work, as they both show a blank white screen. looked up and found some forum threads, tried suggestions to no avail. what to do?
[01:56] <Astro7467> I haven't researched it but did find that they will break with some package installs - assume to be related to PHP, for example to Phoronix Test Suite will break Welcome & SB from my experience
[02:01] <MrQueeba> this is with a fresh mate install, no additional packages installed
[02:10] <AndrzejL> guys - how to set up Mate Dock so that it does not group icons?
[02:10] <Astro7467> I'm only using 17.10 from upgrades and not seen the issue - I typically use 16.04 LTS so currently unable to provide any good ideas or experiement
[02:13] <AndrzejL> MrQueeba: Did you verified the iso / install media? Also - tried the same install on another hardware? What graphics do you have? I have install 2017.10 on Macbook pro 2011 maybe 3 days ago - all is peachy.
[02:21] <MrQueeba> AndrzejL: iso is good, issue isnt there in a virtual machine. graphics is pretty old (thinkpad t42), uses an ati radeon mobility 7500. not that supported now, although it does seem to work with the ati radeon drivers
[02:22] <MrQueeba> its probably because i have one hell of a weak gpu, just want to know if theres some way that i can actually make it work
[02:23] <MrQueeba> prob some issues rendering it
[02:24] <AndrzejL> MrQueeba: interesting... I love old thinkpads
[02:24] <AndrzejL> Did you added the guest addition for the virtual machine?
[02:26] <MrQueeba> elaborate?
[02:29] <AndrzejL> MrQueeba: what virtual machine are you using?
[02:29] <MrQueeba> vmware workstation player
[02:31] <AndrzejL> ok - I actually did not used this one I used esxi from vmware and virtualbox, bit of quemu however I remeber that in vbox and esxi you have additions for the guest operating system. Its like a set of drivers for the guest operating system.
[02:32] <MrQueeba> yea, should have the guest drivers
[02:36] <AndrzejL> when booting up in vm in grub interrupt the automatic boot process, choose the instance you want to boot (even default one) press e and then add nomodeset at the end of the kernel line, press F10 (i think - you will find instructions at the bottom of the screen in grub edit window) to continue booting. See if that issue persists. If it does - try the same thing but instead of nomodeset try ...
[02:36] <AndrzejL> ... using vesa.
[02:38] <AndrzejL> also when booted try running journalctl -b -l -x --no-pager -p 3 as root and check the content of the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:39] <AndrzejL> Ok... 2:38 AM... time to go to bed. Waking up in 4 hours for work...
[02:39] <AndrzejL> Nite all.
[02:39] <MrQueeba> kk
[02:39] <MrQueeba> see ya
[02:40] <AndrzejL> For testing - see if issue persists in VirtualBox? :)
[02:40] <MrQueeba> by the way
[02:40] <MrQueeba> whats the kernel line
[02:40] <MrQueeba> the line with "linux"?
[02:40] <AndrzejL> noooo ;) one sec
[02:41] <AndrzejL> well... yes
[02:41] <AndrzejL> 	linux	/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=e44d8142-fac9-4fb8-b990-29a6d93eee8f ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[02:42] <AndrzejL> it should look something like this
[02:42] <AndrzejL> its the line that passes the kernel parameters
[02:42] <MrQueeba> yep!
[02:42] <AndrzejL> try removing quiet and splash from yours :)
[02:42] <AndrzejL> it will give you a lot of info during boot time
[02:42] <AndrzejL> you can always put it back in
[02:42] <MrQueeba> already booting with "nomodeset"
[02:43] <AndrzejL> if you want to make changes permanent edit /etc/default/grub
[02:43] <AndrzejL> and then run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:43] <MrQueeba> ok
[02:43] <MrQueeba> it works with nomodeset
[02:44] <MrQueeba> the pc is really slow tho
[02:44] <MrQueeba> at least at first
[02:44] <AndrzejL> so as I assumed its a graphics card issue
[02:44] <AndrzejL> that gives you something to look after / google
[02:44] <AndrzejL> as in not graphics per se - module for graphics
[02:45] <AndrzejL> google "ubuntu vmware guest graphics"
[02:45] <AndrzejL> see if you can come up with something
[02:45] <MrQueeba> i believe its using the xorg radeon driver
[02:45] <MrQueeba> also im doing this on the thinkpad, not the vm
[02:45] <AndrzejL> reboot with no nomodeset and run    lsmod | grep -i radeon
[02:46] <MrQueeba> also a thing i noticed too - theres some graphical glitches when shutting off the pc, the mate splash screen will have the colors all glitched - e.g. the black can turn to a red color
[02:47] <AndrzejL> if it spits any output than you might be right but from what I know vmachines usually take your host GPU and "transform" it to something else. As in - just because you have ati gpu in your laptop does not mean that your virtual machine runs using ati gpu. It uses some sort of a virtual device.
[02:47] <MrQueeba> this doesnt happen with nomodeset
[02:47] <MrQueeba> my vmware vm uses a driver called "open-vm-tools"
[02:48] <MrQueeba> which is the vmware drivers for linux
[02:49] <MrQueeba> and yep, i got output with that grep cmd
[02:49] <AndrzejL> https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1022525
[02:49] <AndrzejL> try watching this -
[02:50] <MrQueeba> yeah. my vm is working fine
[02:50] <AndrzejL> with nomodeset? :)
[02:51] <MrQueeba> ye
[02:51] <MrQueeba> and without
[02:51] <AndrzejL> try watching / reading that article - its about ubuntu as guest in vmware
[02:51] <AndrzejL> oh - cool
[02:51] <AndrzejL> what did you do?
[02:51] <MrQueeba> this is with the vm
[02:51] <MrQueeba> the issue is with my thinkpad itself
[02:51] <AndrzejL> cool
[02:51] <MrQueeba> which isnt running a vm
[02:51] <MrQueeba> my main pc is running the vm
[02:52] <AndrzejL> oh :) confused the crap outta me :)
[02:52] <MrQueeba> lol
[02:52] <AndrzejL> so its not the vm that has the glitches
[02:52] <AndrzejL> its the thinkpad
[02:52] <MrQueeba> yes
[02:53] <AndrzejL> which was it? t42?
[02:53] <MrQueeba> as i said, fails to load welcome screen or the market
[02:53] <MrQueeba> yea
[02:53] <MrQueeba> theres different models, mine uses a mobility 7500. some may run a 9600 (which is more advanced), etc
[02:55] <AndrzejL> so this card should be using the free / open radeon driver
[02:57] <AndrzejL> try reading stuff here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI
[02:57] <AndrzejL> and I really need to hit the sack
[02:57] <AndrzejL> nite all
[02:57] <MrQueeba> night, it's running the radeon driver
[02:58] <MrQueeba> the xorg radeon
[02:59] <MrQueeba> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7500
[02:59] <MrQueeba> gotta hit the bed as well, ill prob get on later tomorrow
[05:38] <musy> alguem escreve em portugues
[13:50] <nemo> http://www.lofibucket.com/articles/dwm_latency.html  I never bothered turning on compositing in Mate
[13:51] <nemo> I don't need it
[15:05] <alkisg> nemo: compositing is on by default on ubuntu-mate
[15:06] <alkisg> You can disable it if you want :)
[15:06]  * alkisg maintains thousands of pentium 4 pcs, so he has an override that disables it globally...
[15:07] <nemo> alkisg: I do disable it yes ☺
[15:07] <nemo> or rather, I should say.
[15:07] <nemo> I disabled it many years ago
[15:09] <nemo> alkisg: the only thing I used to use compiz compositing for was for fixing blinding white windows
[15:10] <nemo> alkisg: and unfortunately the ability to load ARB shaders was lost in latest compiz and never replaced with any other form of arbitrary shader loader
[15:10] <nemo> so now I just put up w/ it as best I can
[15:10] <nemo> and fix apps where it is possible
[15:11] <nemo> alkisg: https://m8y.org/tmp/inverted-lightness.txt  https://m8y.org/tmp/biased-inverted-lightness.txt  my old ARB shaders and https://m8y.org/tmp/lightness1.jpeg https://m8y.org/tmp/lightness2.jpeg https://m8y.org/tmp/lightness3.jpeg
[15:11] <nemo> the result in firefox windows
[15:11] <nemo> was sooo much easier on the eyes
[15:16] <diogenes_> nemo, you can use dark themes
[15:17] <nemo> diogenes_: yeah. but they don't apply everywhere
[15:17] <nemo> diogenes_: the shader transformed an entire window
[15:17] <nemo> was awesome
[15:18] <nemo> diogenes_: note in that screenshot the dark theme for the window chrome, while the window contents which were all light, are now nice and dark
[15:18] <nemo> diogenes_: I had the shader bound to a simple keystroke so I could toggle it on and select a window or deselect as needed
[15:18] <nemo> diogenes_: it's also better for the disabled since you can create a shader that fixes colourblindness more precisely
[15:19] <nemo> or enhances readability for someone w/ failing eyesight without inverting everything
[15:19] <nemo> buuut all gone now *sniff*
[15:19] <diogenes_> nemo, there are themes that apply to almost every single pixel on your system and if you want dark gapes also there are extensions like dark mode and you have your desktop completely dark
[15:19] <diogenes_> pages*
[15:20] <nemo> diogenes_: there's extensions besides the colour inverter?
[15:20] <nemo> diogenes_: can you link me?
[15:20] <nemo> diogenes_: 'cause negative mode really screws up pages
[15:21] <nemo> diogenes_: that shader there just inverts lightness. note the mozilla fox is still the right colour
[15:21] <diogenes_> nemo, I don't like inverted
[15:21] <nemo> yeah. it's awful
[15:21] <diogenes_> there's a cool one
[15:21] <nemo> diogenes_: also. I'm skeptical they would work on web pages
[15:21] <nemo> the old compiz shaders could work on any window
[15:21] <nemo> diogenes_: for now I use Dark Backgroudns and Light Text to semi-fix firefox
[15:21] <diogenes_> they work perfectly and besides it has a right clic option to disable on this specific paghe
[15:21] <nemo> there's also a lightness inverting firefox addon.
[15:21] <nemo> but doesn't perform as well
[15:22] <nemo> diogenes_: linky!
[15:22] <diogenes_> wait
[15:22] <nemo> for that I'll reenable compositing! ♥
[15:22] <diogenes_> you want for firefox?
[15:22] <nemo> diogenes_: for any window on system plz
[15:22] <nemo> diogenes_: compiz extension
[15:23] <diogenes_> what I was saying is that there are different approaches to acieve your goal
[15:23] <diogenes_> if you want for the system there is one approach
[15:23] <diogenes_> if you want fror the web pages
[15:23] <diogenes_> there is a different
[15:24] <diogenes_> if you want to combine thm, there is not limit in what you can do
[15:24] <diogenes_> now I'll provide you with the firefox extension that will make all the content dark
[15:24] <nemo> diogenes_: I already have one of those thanks
[15:24] <nemo> diogenes_: as noted above
[15:24] <nemo> diogenes_: it's not NEARLY as elegant as the old approach
[15:24] <diogenes_> what is it called?
[15:25] <nemo> which also worked on, oh, Oracle SQL Developer which as a java app has its own themeing
[15:25] <nemo> diogenes_: Dark Backgroudns and Light Text - I use it on desktop and mobile
[15:25] <nemo> have text set to green
[15:25] <diogenes_> no
[15:25] <diogenes_> not that one
[15:25] <nemo> eh. I like this one. it's fine ☺
[15:25] <diogenes_> that one is weak and has no features
[15:25] <nemo> diogenes_: what I miss is the old compiz shading of arbitrary windows - I want that back 😝
[15:25] <nemo> diogenes_: it has a fair # of features, but I never change it from default
[15:26] <diogenes_> this is the one I was talking about, it has tons of features: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-mode-webextension/
[15:27] <nemo> diogenes_: yeah. I foudn that one a while ago
[15:27] <diogenes_> here is another one I like: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
[15:27] <nemo> I use stylish too
[15:27] <nemo> I use stylish mostly to fix sites that force javascript for silly things
[15:27] <nemo> like to unhide comment sections or the SMBC after comic ☺
[15:28] <nemo> diogenes_: I'll try darkmode again.  last time it seemed to perform badly on mobile which was why I ditched it
[15:30] <nemo> diogenes_: also forced me to be more dependent on the site theme - dark background and light text resulted in less noise
[15:30] <nemo> buuuut eh. let's see
[15:33] <diogenes_> so it's for mobile?
[15:33] <nemo> diogenes_: it's for both?
[15:33] <nemo> well. assuming you use firefox on mobile, which I do
[15:33] <nemo> new webextension update really pissing me off tho
[15:34] <diogenes_> not sure about mobile but on the pc side, you could try qupzilla, it has a very cool feature that let's you add your custom css that is being loaded with every webside
[15:34] <diogenes_> the only thing you need in this case is imagination and creativity
[15:36] <diogenes_> if you want I can provide you my css that I use with qupzilla
[15:37] <diogenes_> pay attention if you wanna use it on ubuntu don't install it from the repository
[15:37] <diogenes_> there's an ancient version and you gonna be disappointed, dowload from the official website and use the newest version
[15:38] <nemo> diogenes_: yeah, I know, there's a lot of fixes... and I've been using a bunch of 'em
[15:38] <nemo> I just miss the sheer simple elegance of doing it at the low shader level
[15:38] <diogenes_> well maybe you could request it on the compiz channel
[15:38] <nemo> I did ☺
[15:38] <nemo> many times over the years
[15:38] <diogenes_> and?
[15:40] <nemo> nothing
[15:40] <nemo> it's a quiet channel and no interest anyway
[15:40] <nemo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/211617/how-can-i-recover-the-compiz-color-filter-plugin-in-ubuntu-12-10  I'm not the only one missing it
[15:40] <nemo> http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Colorfilter
[15:40] <nemo> loved that plugin ☹
[15:41] <diogenes_> hehe maybe if beside the request you'd have thrown a few dollars as a support, they would have concentrate on it
[15:42] <diogenes_> honestly I love compiz also, it provides the absolutely unique and super useful features and I use compiz exclusively on every distro that I tun
[15:42] <diogenes_> run*
[15:42] <diogenes_> whenever I want to try a distro I never gets a change to stay on my machine if it doesn't have a way to install compiz
[15:43] <diogenes_> and I really don't understand why distros don't adopt it as a base concept for a wm
[15:50] <nemo> well. on most of my machines no compiz just performs better
[15:50] <nemo> and I have nothing I really enjoy using compiz for enough to enable it
[15:50] <nemo> no compiz, no compositing I mean
[15:50] <nemo> well. ever since they removed the colour filter
[15:50] <nemo> most of the other stuff was fun, but not that important
[15:56] <diogenes_> in my case it provides such vital feature as enhanced screen magnifier, which is my must have feature, besides, there is other important like windows rules and windows placement where you can specify what window what size should have and where it should be placed when it's opened, others are hot corners where you can check all the opened windows within less than a second and many many other super useful for productivity
[15:56] <diogenes_> features that none of the DEs provide, some DEs provide some of the features, others other features but none of them provide all those features in one place and at very good quality as compiz does.
[16:00] <nemo> ah. yeh. I kinda liked things like the magnifier, but didn't really use them that much
[16:00] <nemo> the rare instances I needed to examine pixels it was usually for a dev project where I was better off using gimp anyway
[16:28] <andreas> i am luckz
[16:28] <andreas> to have mate
[16:28] <nemo> MATE forever!
[16:28] <andreas> h.264 is a very fine coding /webm is a problem.
[16:29] <andreas> hi nemo
[16:30] <andreas> i hope, less crashes as on raspian
[16:32] <andreas> 1080p is forced action on pi3. it works only per mp4 /m4v
[16:33] <nemo> andreas: I'm thinking you are confusing products maybe?
[16:34] <nemo> andreas: soudns like you are looking for video support?
[16:34] <andreas> the codecs license dont help
[16:34] <andreas> nemo. in deed. i have some troubles.
[16:34] <nemo> omxplayer and xbmc are raspbian video players..
[16:35] <nemo> and. anything having to do w/ GPU on raspbian is a pain
[16:35] <andreas> i reading at first start, omx is onbord
[16:35] <nemo> you might want to try #raspberrypi
[16:36] <nemo> has 638 people in it according to alis
[16:37] <andreas> alis... whats that please
[16:37] <nemo>  /msg alis list *raspberry*
[16:37] <nemo> I wasn't sure what the official channel was
[16:37] <nemo> alis is a bot
[16:38] <andreas> thank you.
[16:38] <andreas> better i change to german talks. with right asciii smile
[16:39] <nemo> ☺
[16:39] <nemo> andreas: FWIW I expect UTF-8 is basically standard on freenode if you're referring to chat encodings
[16:41] <andreas> i choose it on first setup. started without network. sudo reboot and its fine
[16:43] <andreas> community....fine evening!
[17:32] <nemo> diogenes_: Dark Mode performs far better than the other one. thanks for poking me about it again.  not sure why the previous one fails so hard as a web extension
[17:32] <nemo> diogenes_: and. the config prefs are quite customisable
[17:33] <diogenes_> told ya :)
[17:33] <nemo> diogenes_: yeh. I'd tried it a while ago, and, dunno... just wasn't impressed at the time
[17:33] <nemo> but now beforced to actually play w/ it for past 30 minutes, it's grown on me
[17:34] <nemo> diogenes_: wish there was a native green text theme but apart from that...
[17:34] <diogenes_> it evolved
[17:35] <nemo> the domain filtering in the other one is a bit nicer 'cause you could quickly toggle it per domain
[17:35] <nemo> but, eh, Dark Mode seems to be in general friendlier on defaults so
[17:35] <nemo> also has a builtin custom domain list
[17:35] <diogenes_> btw i think i came across your compiz plugin on a different distro
[17:35] <nemo> oh?
[17:35] <nemo> are they still on the old compiz then?
[17:36] <diogenes_> what is the name of your plugin?
[17:36] <nemo> http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Colorfilter
[17:36] <nemo> and the magic part was "Adding filters"
[17:36] <nemo> it only supported the more primitive ARB at the time.  It would be nice if more modern shaders were an option. could do pretty fancy things then
[17:37] <nemo> http://evanw.github.io/webgl-filter/  for example this is basically all shaders
[17:37] <diogenes_> not sure because it was like few months ago but I'll check tomorrow
[17:37] <nemo> well. in theory can do almost same things in ARB just a lot more tedious
[20:23] <MrQueeba> im still having issues with my thinkpad t42, in that the welcome screen and software boutique are both just blank white windows. tried all kinds of solutions and nothing has worked, thinking its because of my ati radeon mobility 7500 being a bit of a pain
[20:37] <diogenes_> MrQueeba, that is quite possible, amd dropped support for a lot of old cards
[20:38] <MrQueeba> yea
[20:38] <MrQueeba> its an old ATI card
[20:38] <MrQueeba> sources point to the gpu being released in 2002
[20:56] <diogenes_> nemo, I've found these plugins that are being maintained on a distro: color filter, color management and color opacity, these plugins you cannot find in ubuntu's compiz
[20:58] <nemo> oooooh
[20:58] <nemo> diogenes_: for what version of compiz?
[20:58] <nemo> they need to get it upstream, if 2
[21:00] <diogenes_> compiz version 0.8.14
[21:03] <nemo> aw ☹
[21:03] <nemo> yeah. that's the prob
[21:04] <nemo> no longer maintained
[22:32] <lgault> heya, ubuntu mate newbie. can anyone help me increase the size of screen inside the VM?
[22:36] <sam200> hello
[22:38] <sam2000> hi.
[22:39] <y0sh> lgault: you want to make the desktop bigger in the vm
[22:40] <sam2000> i just got this for my vm