[20:00]  * slangasek waves
[20:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[20:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 21 20:01:00 2017 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:01]  * stgraber waves
[20:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Apologies
[20:01] <slangasek> no apologies on the mailing list or seen on IRC
[20:01] <slangasek> we do have quorum
[20:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Action review
[20:01] <slangasek> these all look familiar
[20:02] <slangasek> ACTION: infinity to ask maas team to prepare SRU exception policy à la CurtinUpdates
[20:02] <slangasek> ACTION: infinity to play with seed/maint-check changes on dogfood to build a new xenial release pocket for support length auditing (ETA: 16.04.3 release)
[20:02] <slangasek> infinity: any updates?
[20:02]  * mdeslaur waves
[20:03] <infinity> None this time around, sorry.
[20:03] <slangasek> ACTION: slangasek to investigate getting tagged ubuntu-community bugs automatically forwarded to technical-board, and if not feasible, fall back to DMB sending signed emails to list for ACL requests
[20:03] <slangasek> still carry-over for me as well
[20:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mailing list
[20:03] <slangasek> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-October/thread.html
[20:04] <slangasek> [LINK]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-November/thread.html
[20:04] <slangasek> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-November/thread.html
[20:04] <slangasek> some unanswered requests from both October and November
[20:04] <slangasek> (and also some spam, blech, how did that get through)
[20:05] <slangasek> do we want to discuss either the flatpak or ubuntu-unity-remix questions here?  would anyone like to take point on following up on either?
[20:05] <mdeslaur> I can respond to the flatpak one
[20:06] <slangasek> [ACTION] mdeslaur to follow up on flatpak SRU inquiry
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: mdeslaur to follow up on flatpak SRU inquiry
[20:06] <slangasek> mdeslaur: thanks
[20:06] <slangasek> I can take ubuntu-unity-remix
[20:06] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on ubuntu-unity-remix
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to follow up on ubuntu-unity-remix
[20:06] <infinity> I feel like jbicha responded to the flatpak thing?
[20:07] <infinity> Given he's the one who would be doing the SRUs (probably), his input in the short thread seemed reasonable.
[20:07] <slangasek> he did but he's not TB; does it need further follow-up / confirmation from us?
[20:07] <infinity> Random people asking for exceptions to make someone else do work aren't useful. :P
[20:07] <slangasek> if mdeslaur wants to follow it up, that's fine
[20:07] <slangasek> I did have the original message still in my to-reply queue so apparently I thought it still warranted a response :)
[20:07] <mdeslaur> I'll read through it and will respond to either confirm jbicha's response, or add additional info
[20:07]  * slangasek nods
[20:09] <infinity> I want to have opinions about ubuntu-unity-remix, but I feel like "just let it die" isn't a helpful followup.
[20:10] <slangasek> probably not :)
[20:10] <slangasek> I figured I would press them for evidence that they're actually maintaining it rather than just saying they'll maintain it
[20:11] <infinity> Well, if they don't have a chunk of the original compiz/unity7 team on their side, I'd say it's just people maintaining a metapackage that points at dead code.
[20:11] <infinity> And I'd rather remove unity from the archive in that instance, not have a flavour.
[20:11] <slangasek> my recollection was that there was some vague committment from the Desktop Team to keep unity7 available as an alternative
[20:12] <slangasek> I'll track that down and respond on list
[20:12] <infinity> (especially given compiz's bug history, it's not like it's a project that can just go on life support and magically keep working for 5-10 years)
[20:13] <slangasek> my gut reaction is similar to yours that unity7 should just be allowed to die peacefully instead of being made a flavor; but I'm not sure with TB hat on it's in order for me to argue that
[20:13] <slangasek> so I'll drill down into the specifics
[20:13] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Community bugs
[20:13] <infinity> Well, with the T part of the TB hat in play, I think it's entirely valid to demand evidence of *competent* support and upstream commitment for those bits.
[20:14] <slangasek> indeed
[20:14] <infinity> All our other desktops have active upstreams, and fairly active downstreams.
[20:14] <slangasek> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard
[20:14] <slangasek> zarro boogs
[20:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[20:15] <slangasek> magic 8 ball says: stgraber as chair, infinity as backup
[20:15] <slangasek> Y/n?
[20:15] <mdeslaur> ^C
[20:15] <slangasek> heh
[20:15]  * slangasek waves to kees
[20:15] <kees> super late!
[20:15] <mdeslaur> kees: traffic jam?
[20:15] <slangasek> kees: we were just finishing ;)
[20:16] <infinity> Who's that guy?
[20:16] <kees> sorry, combined confusion over timezones and loud toddler
[20:16] <infinity> kees: Does your toddler observe DST?
[20:16] <kees> infinity: for longer than I did, yes
[20:18] <slangasek> [AGREED] Next TB meeting: Tuesday, Dec 5 @ 20:00 UTC, stgraber to chair, infinity as backup
[20:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[20:18] <slangasek> anything else?
[20:19] <infinity> I want to know why kees hates us.
[20:19]  * infinity stares at kees.
[20:19] <kees> :(
[20:20] <slangasek> I thought we established that it was Daylight Savings Toddler
[20:20] <mdeslaur> I just assumed he was on a two-months lkml-fuled bender
[20:20] <mdeslaur> fueled
[20:20] <mdeslaur> argh, I can't type
[20:20] <infinity> None of us can.
[20:20] <infinity> And yet, we do it for a living.
[20:21] <kees> mdeslaur: well, that's probably not far from the truth
[20:22] <slangasek> :)
[20:22] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[20:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 21 20:22:10 2017 UTC.
[20:22] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2017/ubuntu-meeting-2.2017-11-21-20.01.moin.txt
[20:22] <slangasek> thanks, all
[20:22] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[20:22] <stgraber> thanks!
[20:23] <kees> thanks!