[20:00] * slangasek waves [20:01] #startmeeting [20:01] Meeting started Tue Nov 21 20:01:00 2017 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:01] * stgraber waves [20:01] [TOPIC] Apologies [20:01] no apologies on the mailing list or seen on IRC [20:01] we do have quorum [20:01] [TOPIC] Action review [20:01] these all look familiar [20:02] ACTION: infinity to ask maas team to prepare SRU exception policy à la CurtinUpdates [20:02] ACTION: infinity to play with seed/maint-check changes on dogfood to build a new xenial release pocket for support length auditing (ETA: 16.04.3 release) [20:02] infinity: any updates? [20:02] * mdeslaur waves [20:03] None this time around, sorry. [20:03] ACTION: slangasek to investigate getting tagged ubuntu-community bugs automatically forwarded to technical-board, and if not feasible, fall back to DMB sending signed emails to list for ACL requests [20:03] still carry-over for me as well [20:03] [TOPIC] Mailing list [20:03] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-October/thread.html [20:04] [LINK]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-November/thread.html [20:04] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-November/thread.html [20:04] some unanswered requests from both October and November [20:04] (and also some spam, blech, how did that get through) [20:05] do we want to discuss either the flatpak or ubuntu-unity-remix questions here? would anyone like to take point on following up on either? [20:05] I can respond to the flatpak one [20:06] [ACTION] mdeslaur to follow up on flatpak SRU inquiry [20:06] ACTION: mdeslaur to follow up on flatpak SRU inquiry [20:06] mdeslaur: thanks [20:06] I can take ubuntu-unity-remix [20:06] [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on ubuntu-unity-remix [20:06] ACTION: slangasek to follow up on ubuntu-unity-remix [20:06] I feel like jbicha responded to the flatpak thing? [20:07] Given he's the one who would be doing the SRUs (probably), his input in the short thread seemed reasonable. [20:07] he did but he's not TB; does it need further follow-up / confirmation from us? [20:07] Random people asking for exceptions to make someone else do work aren't useful. :P [20:07] if mdeslaur wants to follow it up, that's fine [20:07] I did have the original message still in my to-reply queue so apparently I thought it still warranted a response :) [20:07] I'll read through it and will respond to either confirm jbicha's response, or add additional info [20:07] * slangasek nods [20:09] I want to have opinions about ubuntu-unity-remix, but I feel like "just let it die" isn't a helpful followup. [20:10] probably not :) [20:10] I figured I would press them for evidence that they're actually maintaining it rather than just saying they'll maintain it [20:11] Well, if they don't have a chunk of the original compiz/unity7 team on their side, I'd say it's just people maintaining a metapackage that points at dead code. [20:11] And I'd rather remove unity from the archive in that instance, not have a flavour. [20:11] my recollection was that there was some vague committment from the Desktop Team to keep unity7 available as an alternative [20:12] I'll track that down and respond on list [20:12] (especially given compiz's bug history, it's not like it's a project that can just go on life support and magically keep working for 5-10 years) [20:13] my gut reaction is similar to yours that unity7 should just be allowed to die peacefully instead of being made a flavor; but I'm not sure with TB hat on it's in order for me to argue that [20:13] so I'll drill down into the specifics [20:13] [TOPIC] Community bugs [20:13] Well, with the T part of the TB hat in play, I think it's entirely valid to demand evidence of *competent* support and upstream commitment for those bits. [20:14] indeed [20:14] All our other desktops have active upstreams, and fairly active downstreams. [20:14] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard [20:14] zarro boogs [20:14] [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting [20:15] magic 8 ball says: stgraber as chair, infinity as backup [20:15] Y/n? [20:15] ^C [20:15] heh [20:15] * slangasek waves to kees [20:15] super late! [20:15] kees: traffic jam? [20:15] kees: we were just finishing ;) [20:16] Who's that guy? [20:16] sorry, combined confusion over timezones and loud toddler [20:16] kees: Does your toddler observe DST? [20:16] infinity: for longer than I did, yes [20:18] [AGREED] Next TB meeting: Tuesday, Dec 5 @ 20:00 UTC, stgraber to chair, infinity as backup [20:18] [TOPIC] AOB [20:18] anything else? [20:19] I want to know why kees hates us. [20:19] * infinity stares at kees. [20:19] :( [20:20] I thought we established that it was Daylight Savings Toddler [20:20] I just assumed he was on a two-months lkml-fuled bender [20:20] fueled [20:20] argh, I can't type [20:20] None of us can. [20:20] And yet, we do it for a living. [20:21] mdeslaur: well, that's probably not far from the truth [20:22] :) [20:22] #endmeeting [20:22] Meeting ended Tue Nov 21 20:22:10 2017 UTC. [20:22] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2017/ubuntu-meeting-2.2017-11-21-20.01.moin.txt [20:22] thanks, all [20:22] thanks everyone [20:22] thanks! [20:23] thanks!