[00:31] <Kamilion> oh, the guy from #libreboot's here.
[00:31] <Kamilion> guess he took my advice about learning more linux
[00:31] <Kamilion> (the bobsmith83 guy)
[00:32] <wxl> yeah he's been around quite a bit actually
[00:32] <Kamilion> IIRC he's on some kind of freshly cleaned acer chromebook
[00:32] <Kamilion> has no idea what he's doing in linux
[14:11] <GuyFawkes> Hello - Can anyone tell me what the differences are between lubuntu, lubuntu laptop and openbox?  I discovered that at sign-in the other day and laptop seems to work best on my machine
[14:25] <GuyFawkes> testing...is anybody out there?
[14:26] <pleia2> could be no one lurking knows the answer right now :) feel free to hang around
[14:28] <GuyFawkes> Yeah, that's the plan.  I can't even find anything in the support docs, so...hoping at least for a link.
[14:37] <Dishonored> hello, guys i recently installed a font, and opened leafpad and tried changing a text to that font, its shows correctly in the preview but doesn't work in the actual text.
[14:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> most of the documentation is shared with ubuntu
[14:50] <GuyFawkes> Most eh?  keep looking is what you're saying?
[15:00] <GuyFawkes> ok, maybe something easier then, for someone fairly new to *ubuntu:  Software update launches, tells me there are updates, I click install and it fails.  what can I do on the command line?
[16:43] <boi222> hey can anyone help me with a boot issue? i installed lubuntu in a vm but when the vm restarted, i only see a blank screen. i've tried several restarts
[17:55] <bobsmith83> good morning.  i must be a total moron, because I've spent almost an entire day, and still cannot seem to complete a simple task: copy a .img file from HDD to SD card, then copy it back to another machines HDD to create a backup
[17:56] <bobsmith83> can anyone hold my hand please and try and explain this mount thing? gahhh!
[17:57] <wxl> you have both things mounted? if so, where?
[17:57] <bobsmith83> well, when i do fdisk -l, i see the sd card as /dev/sdb
[17:58] <wxl> mount is where you see things are mounted
[17:58] <bobsmith83> the hdd is mounted all four partitions, contains os, etc
[17:58] <wxl> if you don't see sdb-something there, you don't have it mounted
[17:58] <wxl> if it's not mounted you can't use it
[17:59] <bobsmith83> ok, how and where to mount then?  I've tried...
[17:59] <wxl> you need to create a directory to mount it to
[18:00] <wxl> you could for example:
[18:00] <wxl> sudo mkdir -p /mnt/sdcard
[18:00] <bobsmith83> ok, cant i just mount it to /media, or /mnt?
[18:00] <wxl> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdcard
[18:00] <wxl> assuming it does actually have a partition on it and 1 is the partition you wish to mouhnt
[18:01] <wxl> well you need to put it in a folder within /media or /mnt or else it makes the whole thing useless to anything else
[18:01] <wxl> you CAN do it, but you don't want to :)
[18:01] <bobsmith83> maybe thats the problem.  It has no partitions.  i used "disks" to format it with no partitions
[18:02] <bobsmith83> so, do i need to create partitions first?
[18:04] <bobsmith83> I made the dir successfully...
[18:06] <bobsmith83> looks like it.  so, how to do that? back to "disks" and reformat it wiht other options?
[18:06] <wxl> yes you need to create the partitions, bobsmith83
[18:07] <bobsmith83> maybe with "disks" or "gparted"?
[18:07] <wxl> well a partition :)
[18:07] <bobsmith83> or cmd line...
[18:07] <wxl> either would work
[18:07] <bobsmith83> i want to learn cmd line solid.  can you walk me thru it? if you have time?
[18:07] <wxl> cfdisk is fairly friendly command line wise
[18:08] <wxl> otherwise it's fdisk you need to use
[18:08] <wxl> cfdisk is an example of a CLI utility with a visual UI
[18:08] <bobsmith83> lets try fdisk
[18:09] <wxl> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[18:09] <wxl> start with the command p to see what's there
[18:09] <wxl> assuming there are indeed no partitions (/dev/sdb[1..n])
[18:10] <wxl> then i'd start by changing units
[18:10] <wxl> to gb
[18:10] <wxl> with u
[18:11] <wxl> oh fooey
[18:11] <wxl> i guess that's not an option on this version. annoying........
[18:11] <bobsmith83> lol
[18:11] <wxl> whatever
[18:12] <wxl> for fun you can create a new partition table with o
[18:12] <wxl> then n for a new partition
[18:12] <bobsmith83> lots of "annoying" things coming from my dos background and trying to learn new language
[18:12] <wxl> make it primary
[18:12] <wxl> give it a number (probably 1)
[18:13] <wxl> the first sector should be 0
[18:13] <bobsmith83> first cylinder, 2 default?
[18:13] <wxl> then the last sector can be the end or you can use +8G e.g.
[18:13] <wxl> oh yeah you're on cylinders
[18:14] <wxl> sure
[18:14] <bobsmith83> ok, did defaults for clyinders.  back to command
[18:15] <wxl> so p to print again, make sure everything looks right
[18:15] <wxl> you can pastebin it somewhere if you want to make sure
[18:15] <bobsmith83> i think i have a partition now!
[18:15] <bobsmith83> time to mount?
[18:15] <wxl> almost
[18:16] <bobsmith83> ?
[18:17] <wxl> so if you're sure that's right you need to write it with w
[18:17] <wxl> now you've done the first step
[18:17] <wxl> it still doesn't have a filesystem on it
[18:17] <wxl> you want to use this for linux only or you want this to be compatible with windows, etc?
[18:18] <bobsmith83> i c.  it looks right
[18:18] <bobsmith83> i dont know.  I thought I'd do it just linux, but would be better if I could do compatible with windows fat
[18:19] <wxl> sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1
[18:20] <bobsmith83> I already did " mkfs -t ext4 ..." but that was before partition, so maybe it didnt do anything
[18:20] <wxl> yeah probably not. and windows won't like ext4
[18:20] <bobsmith83> I'm still in fdisk.  how do i exit?
[18:21] <wxl>    w    write table to tidks and exit
[18:21] <wxl> hahahah well, disk
[18:21] <bobsmith83> k
[18:22] <bobsmith83> created fat file system
[18:23] <wxl> now mount it
[18:23] <bobsmith83> k
[18:25] <bobsmith83> success!
[18:26] <wxl> btw took you through "the hard way"
[18:26] <wxl> the easy way is parted
[18:26] <wxl> the really easy way is cfdisk
[18:26] <bobsmith83> of course
[18:27] <bobsmith83> now, id like to create a file, save it on the hard disk, copy it to the sd card, then copy it back to the hd in a different sopt
[18:28] <wxl> i assume you can create the file and save it XD
[18:28] <wxl> one you have the file:
[18:28] <wxl> cp /path/to/file /mnt/sdcard (or whatever you called it)
[18:28] <wxl> ctually
[18:28] <wxl> actually
[18:28] <wxl> cp /path/to/file /mnt/sdcard/
[18:29] <wxl> that slash will ensure it goes IN the directory, though usually collisions won't happen, it's good practice
[18:29] <wxl> cp /mnt/sdcard/file /path/to/new/file/location
[18:30] <bobsmith83> ok, whats the txt editor that comes in lubuntu? so i can create a file?
[18:31] <wxl> you can create a file (without adding anything to it):
[18:31] <wxl> touch file
[18:31] <wxl> there you have a file
[18:31] <wxl> if you want to edit it, nano is a command line utility, but i prefer vi (though it takes some understanding to figure out how to use it. it's very powerful but not immediately intuitive)
[18:31] <bobsmith83> found it: leafpad...
[18:32] <wxl> there's that too
[18:32] <wxl> if you want GUIs
[18:32] <wxl> but that would be cheating, technically XD
[18:32] <bobsmith83> lol
[18:33] <bobsmith83> gonna try cp it now...
[18:34] <bobsmith83> brb
[18:37] <bobsmith83> error: cannot create regular file: /mnt/sdb1/": not a directory
[18:38] <bobsmith83> sudo?
[18:38] <wxl> should NEED to sudo it
[18:38] <wxl> what's that "?
[18:38] <bobsmith83> typo
[18:38] <wxl> is the location actually /mnt/sdb1 and not /mnt/sdcard?
[18:39] <wxl> you can always `ls /path/to/directory` to see if it exists
[18:39] <bobsmith83> my mistake.
[18:40] <bobsmith83> worked! now, going to copy it back to another dir...
[18:43] <bobsmith83> amazing- it worked!  thanks again, so much, for your help.  its like learning to walk all over again!  what about using dd instead of cp?
[18:43] <wxl> dd is a bit by bit copy
[18:43] <wxl> so it's kind of a different thing
[18:44] <wxl> assuming the file contains a file system, dd'ing it will replicate that file system
[18:44] <bobsmith83> but you could do dd if=filename of=/dev/sdb1 and it does the same as cp?
[18:45] <wxl> no
[18:48] <bobsmith83> ok, well, I've heard dd called "disk destroyer" so, I feel like I'd best stear clear of it till I understand it better
[18:48] <wxl> the only time you should really use dd is for copying a disk image onto some media
[18:48] <wxl> or you can use it for completely zeroing out a drive
[18:48] <bobsmith83> one last thing- is there any special considerations when copying .img files?
[18:48] <wxl> .img files are usually like .iso files
[18:49] <wxl> they're disk images
[18:49] <wxl> you can copy them around
[18:49] <wxl> but if you wan tto restore the disk image, you'd use dd
[18:49] <wxl> but it will wipe whatever's in its place
[18:49] <bobsmith83> OK, so, I'm making a backup of my bios flash image and trying to copy that file to a back up location
[18:50] <wxl> you can pass the img file around like any other file
[18:50] <bobsmith83> can I just cp the flash.img as we've done here?
[18:50] <wxl> but if you want to use it, you'd use dd to put it on an sd card or something of the sort
[18:50] <wxl> yep
[18:50] <bobsmith83> cool!
[18:51] <bobsmith83> my goal here is to replace the bios on this chromebook, with something like libreboot, fyi...
[18:52] <wxl> ah cool
[18:52] <wxl> also, re: chromebook: my condolences XD
[18:52] <bobsmith83> thanks again for you're help.  I;m sure we will be talking mor soon.  btw- what is your relation to lubuntu?
[18:52] <wxl> i'm one of the release managers (but technically tsimonq2 is in charge) and head of qa
[18:53] <bobsmith83> re chromebook- i hope to rid it of crome os and eventually replace it with lxde debian
[18:53] <bobsmith83> cool, thanks again!
[18:53] <wxl> np
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[21:58] <brunomotter> hello! I am trying to install Lubuntu 17.10 on an old laptop and if I run from live CD it runs fine, but when I install the graphics get sluggish and with 640X480 resolution! any hints?
[21:59] <tsimonq2> brunomotter: What machine are you on?
[21:59] <brunomotter> Itautec W7630
[22:00] <brunomotter> Celeron m processor
[22:00] <brunomotter> 1.5GB RAM
[22:00] <tsimonq2> What kind of graphics card?
[22:02] <brunomotter> via graphis
[22:04] <brunomotter> http://suporte.itautec.com.br/eportaldownload_ptb/start.swe?SWERowId=2-AOCM5E&SWEField=s_3_2_24_2&SWERowIds=SWERowId0%3d2-AOCM5E&SWENeedContext=true&SWESP=false&SWEMethod=Drilldown&SWECmd=InvokeMethod&W=t&SWEVI=&SWEPOC=&SWETargetView=&SWEDIC=false&SWEReqRowId=1&SWEView=ITC+Driver+Download+TotalDrivers+Notebook+View&SWETVI=&SWEC=9&SWEM=&SWEBID=-1&SWESPa=&SRN=&SWEContainer=&SWETS=&SWETA=&SWEApplet=ITC+Drivers+Download+TotalDrivers
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[22:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: See something I'm not?
[22:06] <tsimonq2> Otherwise if he doesn't respond soon brunomotter, I'd try #ubuntu.
[22:06] <brunomotter> so... I tried ubuntu... it works, but REALLY slow performance
[22:06] <brunomotter> on Lubuntu performance is good but no graphics
[22:06] <tsimonq2> I mean the IRC channel. This isn't a Lubuntu-specific issue. ;)
[22:07] <brunomotter> oh, I see!
[22:07] <brunomotter> well... if he does not respond I will try that then... where can I find Ubuntu IRC?
[22:08] <tsimonq2> In your IRC client, type the following: /join #ubuntu
[22:08] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:08] <brunomotter> nice!
[22:08] <brunomotter> will try that
[22:08] <brunomotter> thanks for being so helpful
[22:08] <tsimonq2> You're welcome, let me know how it goes. :D
[22:09] <brunomotter> ok!
[22:09] <brunomotter> bye
[22:09] <tsimonq2> o/
[22:12] <bobsmith83> wxl around?
[22:13] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: I can help as well. What's up?
[22:14] <bobsmith83> thx.  I'm on to next step: $ git clone https://git.code.paulk.fr/libettereboot.git but I get error:
[22:14] <bobsmith83> error: gnutls_handshake() failed” when connecting ...
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Let's see if I can reproduce that.
[22:16] <bobsmith83> found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/186847/error-gnutls-handshake-failed-when-connecting-to-https-servers#187199
[22:16] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't do that.
[22:17] <bobsmith83> i didnt want to
[22:18] <tsimonq2> I think it's a server problem, because I can't clone it at all.
[22:18] <bobsmith83> like server down, or someting?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Could be.
[22:19] <bobsmith83> i c.  so, what does git clone do, roughly?
[22:20] <tsimonq2> It takes a remote Git repository hosted on a server somewhere and it pulls all the necessary files that you would need to work with it locally.
[22:21] <bobsmith83> ok, cool.  thanks for your help.  I will contact paul and c if he has ideas.  maybe he's working on it or something.  you guys are awesome here.  hope you dont mind me keep bugging u with all these questions!
[22:22] <bobsmith83> cheers!
[22:22] <tsimonq2> It's all good, cheers :)
[22:39] <wxl> that's up peeps?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> yooo
[22:39] <tsimonq2> bobsmith83: If you're still around, wxl's here :)
[23:10] <bobsmith83> still around indeed.  I got the clone thing rolling.  I'm on a thinkpad t60, wifi adaptor must be old and slow, cause its taking a looong time to pull down files...
[23:14] <bobsmith83> still faster than my first machine- commodore64- was soo cool when i could dial up connect to q-link on my 300 baud modem!
[23:14] <wxl> been there done that, though i had a c128
[23:32] <genii> !lunix
[23:32] <genii> Just in case you guys still have them kicking around.
[23:34] <wxl> i wish :(
[23:34] <bobsmith83> that would be fun. but its long gone garage sale, no doubt, probably in the 90's
[23:35] <genii> Yeah, mine too.
[23:35] <genii> I did hang onto the 1701 for a TV hooked to the VCR for a long time after
[23:36]  * genii wanders back to the coffeepot
[23:38] <bobsmith83> got this thinkpenguin usd wifi n dongle.  maybe i should plug it in and see if it magically automatically connects and speeds things up?
[23:51] <wxl> worth a shot, bobsmith83